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01 January 2003, 12:57 AM
I feel nuts- we have to do 8,5 hours of animation
till the end of year and I'm entering the challenge:rolleyes:
but who cares:p

here's quick sketch, I'll see about story, they are probably
marsh keepers (is that right word?) the bottom of the pole
could be paddle (for boat they are standing on) and
at the top some weapon maybe.. dont know.. anyways I won't have time.. but it's fun..:D

01 January 2003, 02:57 AM
You just could not resist huh? ;)

Let me be the first to say welcome.It will be great to see more of your work. 8.5 hours of animation can wait.:p

See you soon.:beer:

01 January 2003, 04:15 AM
just remember :) the faster you finish this, the more time youll have for your job ;) so get crackin.!!!!!!

01 January 2003, 11:25 AM
wohooo! I barely saw your entry, I'm very glad you made the big step and entered.
but I hope you won't do the same thing as those two 'frenchTalking cartoon muppets', and just tease with a concept! :p


01 January 2003, 01:55 PM no Fellah! It's not cool to speak about nano and Stipen like that! :shame: :rolleyes:

Great Mandrake! i'm very happy you entered the challenge! Im patient to see the 3D model!

01 January 2003, 02:50 PM
I can't resist.OK bad sketch for start.Where are the legs? And what the hell you trying to do?Kill this tread and start to control animation department because mices taking control.(and some other animals).

01 January 2003, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by ivanimal
I can't resist.OK bad sketch for start.Where are the legs? And what the hell you trying to do?Kill this tread and start to control animation department because mices taking control.(and some other animals).

I cant resist, too.. I you reply one more time I'll lock you
in toilet over the weekend.. now get back to work:twisted:

01 January 2003, 04:29 PM
:bowdown: :cry: :annoyed:

01 January 2003, 04:03 PM
I promised an update.. pretty early stage:

..any comments?:rolleyes: ..:D

01 January 2003, 06:49 PM
very solid modelling


01 January 2003, 06:58 PM
nice loops

01 January 2003, 05:02 AM
looks a little square in the middle. tweak it some.

On a more serious you really start out with a box?
It seems a lot of ppl do..i prefer to start with a plane or a single poly though :beer:

01 January 2003, 07:21 AM
Nice concept... also that sketch looks fine:thumbsup:
I wait for some model:)

heh... that`s really Work In Progress... you show basic step of modelling :thumbsup:
Good Start:applause:

01 January 2003, 12:13 PM
The only thing funny about posting a box as a WIP is the fact he is good enought to be that cocky.

I am shuddering at what he'll possibly come up with.

Mike R

01 January 2003, 03:32 PM
Hello Mandrake. Your wip picture looks suspiciously like mine did....hmmm :D ;) :thumbsup:
Waiting for future pictures...:wip:


01 January 2003, 08:26 PM
:bounce: the start on your viewport!!! :bounce:

If u do again something like your beast of burden in detail..i...i ..i.....i will never be in the challenge again!!!!!:p

Good to be able to see your work again!

I will be back!

01 January 2003, 01:50 AM
could you please stop to deject me? this box is incredibly detailed. now i go and entrench me and my computer. :D

i like your scetch!

01 January 2003, 03:07 AM
please don't touch's perfect like it is
..please ,please don't:)

01 January 2003, 10:21 AM
If this suppose to be's not.

01 January 2003, 11:39 AM
Mandrake, Mandrake, You Da Man! :) I can imagine how fast that 6 sided 8 vertices mesh become a HUGE incredible beast with over 1 million polygon after smoothing! :D
anyway, how did you make that box in maya?! ;->


01 January 2003, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by ila_solomon
Mandrake, Mandrake, You Da Man! :) I can imagine how fast that 6 sided 8 vertices mesh become a HUGE incredible beast with over 1 million polygon after smoothing! :D
anyway, how did you make that box in maya?! ;->

Ahah Ila I will tell you if you can keep the secret;) This ugly
ivanimal is beggin me to tell him "howtoturnboxintodetailedbeast"
secret but he's not good and i won't tell him:rolleyes:
..but you're good artist, not like those lazy bustards (they will
reckognize themself dont worry):D

ivanimal.. what's not funny? being locked 48 h in toilet?.. at least
you had plenty of time to consider your behaviour.. :D

tnx guys.. Dimitris you will not be in challenge agin.. :D joking..
won't have much time but I will see.. I'll post an update soon
(smoothed box:p )
see yaa..

01 January 2003, 10:36 AM
Curious to see where it will go this time...

01 January 2003, 10:22 PM
come on - let us see ure subd´s :)

01 January 2003, 09:22 PM
Radujem se vec unapred u tvoju kutiju koja ce se promeniti u lepog monstera " To Stomp Fellah's Bastards"...........:p

Hehe ....... it's a secret Fellah.:p

Hope to see something very soon Mandrake.By the way I have just added Maya 4.5 unlimited to my arsenal,a nice added tool to go with Max. It's wonderful so far. See you soon.:thumbsup: :beer:

02 February 2003, 03:39 PM
Blocked out the basic shape and edges.. I have zero time for
this but I'll try to do some work on weekend..

02 February 2003, 04:32 PM
Lookin great - we finally got polygons! Only comments woud be of detail [and I'm sure you've seen] - the pec looks streteched, and odd thing under arm.

Looking forward to it getting more finished!!


02 February 2003, 06:40 PM
:beer: Ahhh!!!... we started.
He has a soft smile ....i will be back when u update !

:bounce: :bounce:

02 February 2003, 10:54 PM
that thing came out of a box ??

great work so far.:D

02 February 2003, 08:02 PM
little update..

02 February 2003, 08:15 PM
:eek: From a box... a box... a box... :drool:

Man!... That is sweet!...


02 February 2003, 08:46 PM
... very nice ... very nice .... k ... who am I kidding .... VEEEEERY nice! :scream: ...

... strava chovek ...

02 February 2003, 07:25 AM
The face is lookin' great!! The muslces do seem to flow a little too easily - mostly I'm sure attributed to creating topology, but the back muslces below the pecks and the forearm do this, I have no idea to your technique of course! - dazzle us again :) !!


02 February 2003, 11:27 AM

God damn, its good.

This is a right xample how a lot of aninmation can make a man go nuts ;P

Pozdrav Mandrake

02 February 2003, 12:15 AM
Tnx People!:)

I did some "late night" work and here's resault. Haven't work
on arms and back yet. I'll do my best to keep going..:)

02 February 2003, 12:32 AM
sweet mother..

02 February 2003, 12:51 AM
You have never told your secret modeling techniques, now it's time to share! ;) very nice details...

02 February 2003, 04:41 PM
man thats fantastic ure my hero can u show us ur level 0 and 1

Mandrake use maya subd´s (hierarchical)
ist the best subd solution u can get :)

02 February 2003, 10:36 PM
While I think it looks really good,I still think it has too much definition.Too many non-existent muscles.It seems this creature just has curves and indentations just for the sake of it.But than again it is a fantasy creature,so I quess it's allowed.A little less would have been better,but still a really cool model.:beer:

3D Freak
02 February 2003, 01:02 AM
:eek: Man that's some fantastic modelling... Great Job!!!:bowdown: Show us more!!! :bowdown:

02 February 2003, 09:29 AM
:eek: yeahhh! great modeling!

i love your caracter!

Vivement la suite!

02 February 2003, 09:31 AM
Great work mate, you really know how to carve that shit up don't you?

I agree that prehaps it might have too many muscles, but hell, it's middle earth, so anything is possible.

The face is just insane though. It looks very onld and powerful

Could you post your lowres cage if you get a chance?

02 February 2003, 05:42 PM
:) Thanks guys

Swag- Ya you're right Maya subds are great and different.
if Alias can end up with easy solution for changing topology afterwards it would change the modeling paradigm a big deal
thanks much for lovin my work

Vladvrz- thanks man i positioned lights for showoff modeling
.. but if iluminated with outdoor lightning it's washed out and looks differend.. an older man has more details than this really

Ionized- thanks there are actually 3 low res cages with
maya subds, so I'll have to post them all

Thanks others also.. I'll post some wires later..

02 February 2003, 06:15 PM
AMAZING MODELING!!....and original too!:buttrock:

02 February 2003, 07:59 PM
1% Bodyfat..............A bodybuilders dream.Excellent thus far,it's another very fine creation from a talented artist.The head to me is "Fantastic",totally full of true "Character".

It's already one of the top contenders. I hope you can find the time to get him finished,if not fully textured then at least fully modeled.It's one I look forward to seeing come to full life.

Very nice creation Mandrake...........:thumbsup: :beer:

02 February 2003, 08:51 PM
Nice! Really dig the head. Don't scimp on the wireframes either. ;)

02 February 2003, 09:06 PM
come on show us some wire :):beer: :bounce: :buttrock:

02 February 2003, 02:41 PM
Hurry up, not much time left, and with that level of detail it must be a lot of work... Keep it up, it's great, absolutely great face:love:

02 February 2003, 05:45 PM
Nice stuff!! I really love his face!! looks to be full of wisdom :)...and yes you better hurry!! :wip: :wip:


02 February 2003, 12:43 PM

need wires:thumbsup:

02 February 2003, 05:41 AM
Damn I haven't sleep for two days:shrug: ..this is like fever
I'll post finals in hour or two..

02 February 2003, 06:12 AM
tic toc tic toc tic toc....!!.........the hour glass runneth empty!:wip:

02 February 2003, 11:05 AM
Post mandrake Post!!!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

I hope you will finish it well in time!

02 February 2003, 11:19 AM
heres some wires as requested ( hi Swag):) :

level0 (

level1 (

level2 (

wire for final comp:

final wire (

quick playblast of rotating model, divx:

rotating model (

02 February 2003, 11:38 AM
:bounce: Excellent Mandrake ....Very stylish work.:thumbsup:

02 February 2003, 12:20 PM
Who need enemys with a friends like Mandrake?
Modeling?Average skills for average idea.Mandrake dont play with my treads.Vengeance will be mine.:scream:

P.S. :buttrock: :thumbsup: :drool:

02 February 2003, 12:25 PM
here is it, finally:buttrock: .....:

Final pic, be aware it's 260 kb but I cant let details vanish:

final pic Big-260kb (

the same pic, but low compresion 130 kb

final low compression 130 kb (

close up of the face, profile, 160 kb:shrug: :

close up face big 160 kb (

whole figure, total:

figure total 65 kb (

I dont want to hear about challenge ever again

...until next time:)

02 February 2003, 09:56 PM
mandrake, you are a great player in this 'game'. skips sleep to be able to finish the challenge, respect!! not like those other ones.. :rolleyes:

the model turned out great!! don't know what more to say. if you had more time I'm sure you would have been able to make it even better, with some lensflares etc.. :cool:

hope to see you in another time,
take care

02 February 2003, 10:11 PM
oh my god ... u have my vote

3D Freak
02 February 2003, 10:30 PM
Sweeeeetttt!!!!! :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :xtreme:

02 February 2003, 11:03 PM

And for our international audience these are my thoughts...............:love: :drool: :thumbsup:

Mandrake where do your creatures Pump iron? They all sure do get great workouts there.;)

Great creature in all aspects.Impressive I must say.Congrats on another great job.:beer:

03 March 2003, 06:17 PM
Fellah: I actually have a better version with lots of lens flares
and creature stands on a space ship and there are
planets, and sparkles and colours and 5 bilion polys...
but that version is sooo good I was sorry to spank you all
thus I posted a "downgraded" version:D
But again, I helped ivanimal a lot with my P.P. skills and
I think he's right candidate for wining..:D
If you need my services just say, I'm willing to help:buttrock:

Swag: Thanks man sorry for waiting for wires I worked it out last
few days didnt really have much time

Virtuoso: strange words again :rolleyes: ;) .. I didnt want to
pump up this one, but it didnt fits well with massive
head and neck and tiny arms so I gave him some deca
intramuscular and few vinstrols before goin to stage.
I didn't read steroids are forbiden on CG Talk for pumping creatures?? :D

Thanks Dimitris and 3D Freak and all others exept ivanimal for
suportive comments:)

03 March 2003, 10:07 PM
:bounce: Mandrake ...hi again...i am writing again 'cuase i am sitting about 1 hour in front of your image and i still find new details and i am also trying to figure out if the shader is procedural or with texture thing i think i am correct...the skin shader must be ramp shader...yes?

...awesome piece....:thumbsup:

03 March 2003, 10:14 PM
hey tell me something about maya subdees

when you get level 0 done. and move onto detailing level 1...and your done that..and move onto detailing 2...
if you go back to level 0 and start splitting polys itll kinda screw up the levels below right?( the areas that yer splitting )

just wondering cuz i was playing with houdinis subdees and thats what happens. :) ( i was expecting it tho )

03 March 2003, 11:16 PM

Designed to

03 March 2003, 10:01 PM

DimitrisLiatsos: thanks, yes sort of ramp shader.. i wanted more
transcluency essp. on ears but couldnt get it correct on time..
no proc maps.. there are four 2k maps (+four for bump) layered
maps human skin, lizzard, frog;) + some skratches and veins
one piece uvs and combined uv and projective painting with Photoshop work.

ambient-whisper: you mean when you got into poly proxy coss
you can't split polys in lev.0? Well thats big big disadvantage
of subds in Maya when u turn poly to subd and got into level
tweaks forget about changing topology, yes you can go to
poly proxy but it's painfully slow and tweaks are screwed..
But for me advantages are too good i cant neglect it..

and easy skining, look at this

testDeform (

..just default binding with 10min paint weights.. the underlying
geometry is moving and you deal only with 0 level (wrap deform)

Ionized: thanks man that was funny(tough i didnt get it on first):)

03 March 2003, 02:41 PM
:bounce: :beer: The wrap deform binding procedure is great sure drives your model very well !!! .
Very PRO stuff .....i hate u ,:scream:
(just joking of course...:bounce: )

u surely know your Maya! :thumbsup:

03 March 2003, 01:13 AM
yehhh mandrake the skinning test look great - u used the level 0 or a poly (level 0) for the wrap? man u have a very high skill:beer: :buttrock:

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