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07 July 2006, 10:18 PM
I think I got addicted to the anatomy threads and great lessons that Rebecca is organizing here! It's awesome experience and a great way to make me work on myself all the time...

I'll be posting mostly 3d work :) I'll try to put some 2d stuff in here too, though I feel oblidged to warn everyone - I suck at paiting LOL

So here go some first posts - my models from the HEAD lesson that has drawn me in here:D

07 July 2006, 10:19 PM

please comment and don't fear to be harsh XD - I do take criticism well [I think]:scream:

07 July 2006, 10:20 PM
and two more

07 July 2006, 11:09 PM
Hiya Intervain !

How sweet to see more 3d people around , especially great talents like you ! :applause:
Totally awesome work on those heads studies ... and Oh my god you're fast !! :surprised

Gonna follow your updates here for sure , hope you're gonna put lot of your works !
Btw I'm still drooling on you Harry Potter model .... that one was huge !! :thumbsup:

cheers ,


07 July 2006, 12:04 AM
Hey Zapan - thanks so much, really appreciate it :)

I agree, too few 3d peeps over here by far - hope this will change soon. I'm enjoying the anatomy lessons a lot and learning even more...

07 July 2006, 12:26 AM
my first 2d head in the head lesson....scary....

it has taken an hour and it was really painful...

07 July 2006, 12:51 AM
nice work magdalena,
nice to see some new works from you. Im guessing your visa didnt turn out? bummer :hmm:
Anyhow drop me a line sometime and ill forward you some info.

07 July 2006, 12:58 AM
hey Heber - nice to see you here :D and thanks so much m8!!

yep it didn't work out for now but I just got a gig in the UK so it's cool... I'll be moving over next month :D

07 July 2006, 01:55 AM
Intervain very nice models man. I really like your 3d models, thats what i call patience. lol well keep on the great work dude. :bounce:

07 July 2006, 03:13 AM

Welcome, it's great to see you compile your great work in one thread! :) Like Steph I think it's great to see more 3D folks here ~ keep inspiring! Will post more later, for the time being I'm not at my home computer.

Keep up the great work, it's a pleasure to see your participation in the 50 Portraits Workshop! :)



07 July 2006, 08:54 AM

These are stunning!!!

Excellent stuff dude! =D

07 July 2006, 09:21 AM
Dynasty - thanks so much

Rebecca - thanks very much - always apreciate any input from you :bounce:

BNN - aww thank you *blushes*

Ok here goes something I've tried about a month ago after seeing people trying to follow the masters in one of the CG Talk workshops... So I tried to copy William Bouguereau - took me nearly 4 hours and I almost died... lots of things are off but I must say I was proud I went this far :D

07 July 2006, 12:18 PM
another head for the anatomy lesson :) So much fun doing this one - I just love! the sculpture!

07 July 2006, 01:31 PM
Hi Magdalena,

I really bow :bowdown: to your artwork. Your XSI heads there are just great. :thumbsup:
I´m showing your work here at Melies 3D Cinema School, we use XSI primarily, it´s a great inspiration to see what you do.

Your 2D is also very good. Thanks for C&C :)

07 July 2006, 01:36 PM
I really bow :bowdown: to your artwork. Your XSI heads there are just great. :thumbsup:
I´m showing your work here at Melies 3D Cinema School, we use XSI primarily, it´s a great inspiration to see what you do.

woah! Thanks so much that's really humbling especially that a year ago I couldn't even model a head. Now I really have great faith and hope in learning 2d if I practice :D
You're way too nice :love:Cheers!

07 July 2006, 08:17 PM
a real quicky done today in less than 7 hours but let's call it 7... I think it shows she's a quick model but I just dont' feel like working on her any more :scream:

she's way too cute... the original wasn't so sweet looking

07 July 2006, 03:18 PM
phew, another attempt at 2d... I've started him over many times :eek:

07 July 2006, 02:09 AM
Wow a year from not being able to do heads, to the incredible turnover you're able to do now -- incredible :) Lovely stuff, very glad you've started a thread it'll be a pleasure to see your stuff :)

07 July 2006, 01:10 PM
Kary thanks very much :) I'm glad you like those!

well here are two more attempts at 2d - I suffer every time LOL but I'm also learning so much thanks to everyone here :D

07 July 2006, 01:30 PM
Hi Intervain,

I do hope you continue modelling your wonderful 3D heads, because they really sort of are like an advertisement for 3D technology. They look so elaborate and, well, not technical... hard to put it into words for me, because I am not a 3D expert, but I sometimes dont like 3D models for their apparent technical sterility and that is not the case with your work...

*falls back to teenage-chat-style*
like, totally, man, know what I'm sayin?


hop I got my point across...:D

07 July 2006, 02:00 PM
Hey Intervain

agreeing with Mu nya. Your stuff feels alot more organic and natural Your making great progress with the 2d stuff, last one is looking really good and really promising. Keep at it!


- d.

07 July 2006, 03:58 PM

Your 3D work is really amazing, and your 2D progressing really nicely! :) It's great to see your progress and enthusiasm here. :)

Only area on the last 3D sculpt that I can find fault with anatomically is the ear, where the edges seem a bit sharp and the form a bit misshapen. However the subtleties of the planes of the face are beautiful, would love to see the head without the hair. :) Keep up the great work! :)



07 July 2006, 08:21 PM
Mu, demented - thanks so much for that :) I'm trying hard for my models to be as organic and lifelike as posibble - I'm glad I'm getting there :)

Rebecca - thanks, I completely agree about the ear - it was quickly done and I didn't feel like working on it any more, maybe I should... I feel I can do something with that model because I love her cute face now :) I think I'll bring it to the 'next level'

07 July 2006, 02:45 PM
And yet another attempt at 2d ... I can say I'm definitely learning a lot while doing these heads... there's hope :D:buttrock:

07 July 2006, 03:03 PM

I would say there is definitely hope ~ this last piece is looking awesome! Keep up the good work! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)


07 July 2006, 04:41 PM
Thanks a ton Rebecca for all the encouragement :)

Here's another 3d head, yay!

07 July 2006, 02:23 AM
Wow, Intervain, great anatomy thread! I really admire your 3D work and your 2D work, as well. The only thing that caught my eye was the hair on the Durer piece and the Fragonard, as I prefer the look and feel of the more sculptured hair in your other pieces. Wonderful thread, thank you for sharing your work. :)

07 July 2006, 05:23 AM

Wow, not hard to be encouraging when you see work of this quality ~ wow! :thumbsup: Really good looking model, I can recognize the original immediately, you really seem to have hit the proportions on the head with this one. Stunning work! :)



07 July 2006, 07:27 AM
Hey Magdalena,

WOW, some wonderful 3d heads here around, great stuff:thumbsup: . You capture the references perfectly and bring them to life even without textures! ... especially that a year ago I couldn't even model a head. ...:eek: that's even more stunning and if you improve the same way with your 2d work (not bad at all btw:) ), you'll soon blow us all away. Definitely looking forward to see more of your work!



07 July 2006, 08:05 AM
I was always wondering how can people model a head with having only one picture as a ref. And that ref ir nor front nor side view. I've tried that pretty long time ago and didn't succeed. Since then I ALWAYS use front and side refs :)

But that's not a problem for you I see. Keep it up!

07 July 2006, 03:08 PM
Helen-Baq - I agree about the hair - I was really lazy when doing those + I couldn't really imagine modeling hair on the Durer... maybe I should think about it again :)

Rebeccak - thanks :D

daWinky - hehe you make me blush - I'm pretty sure I won't blow anyone away with my 2d, not in this lifetime LOL

razz - well in XSI it's a pretty simple camera setup - once you get the hang of it :) - haven't tried in any other software without side and front views ... I know they don't have such a cool rotoscope ... Oh I love XSI LOL

Ok here goes my revised Fragonard :) I did model the hair :D wee!

the first one is me getting carried away there :D

and then a proper shaded + wire version

07 July 2006, 04:14 PM
OMG!!! *dies* I'd been thinking how gorgeous your models were, how they look like sculptures, and how I'd love to see at least one textured like a sculpture and then - you did it!!! Oh wow, that is fantastic! I just looooove that oxydized copper texture! :bounce: Would you mind terribly sharing how you made that? :love:

I think your 2D work is great, btw. :)

07 July 2006, 04:20 PM

well it's actually not textured at all :) I did unwrap it and I was planning to make it look like the painting but then thought I'd rather not :)

well that effect was made in Photoshop alone. All I did was overlay the painting on top of my model several times first to get the colours and shading roughly in place [usually on darken and multiply] and then I overlaid the shaded version back on top of that with the blending modes on difference and some other ones ... I never remember which, I just experiment :) Then it was only a matter of some colour adjustements [I gave it too much yellow now I look at it :scream:] and voila!

I'm glad you like it and hope that answered your question :)

07 July 2006, 09:58 PM
Awesome work! The drawings are really well done and the 3d is very topnotch. You went to VFS? My only crit is the hair is to faceted and doesn't flow like hair quite yet. Its also to thick and not enough variation. But otherwise really lovely work! I'm going to be learning XSI soon.

07 July 2006, 10:04 PM
shhh....!!! Not another word about hair LOL You're right ofcourse and I'm lazy LOL I just lack the patience to make it more hair-like *g*

and good luck learning xsi - it's very easy and so user friendly:bounce:

07 July 2006, 08:32 AM
some incredible 3d heads here, Intervain, been following your work on the 50 head study thread and they are some of the best i`ve seen......but i like your 2d stuff as well and you are coming along very well there......

keep up the fab work


PS - i`ve used max before so i know a little bit about the 3d side of things.....and you`re so fast!

07 July 2006, 02:19 PM
Wow what can I say?

Totally impressed by the last head!


07 July 2006, 04:47 PM
krispee - thanks a ton! I'm fast but only in xsi LOL

BNN - thank you very much :bounce:

07 July 2006, 06:09 PM
XSI? i confess never dabbled in that app at all, know nothing about it, i guess you get comfortable using one program and your speed comes then.....i haven`t even used max that much so i`m like a tortoise on it lol


07 July 2006, 10:10 AM
that's exactly it - practice makes perfect :) well I've been modling in max for like an hour the other day - first ever - and I have to say I'm getting faster at it already... the thing that really annoys me about max and maya is that you can only move things in x, y and z while in xsi you can move it around in all directions which make stuff so much quicker [saves time to select and reselect]... but yeah, the more you work with the app the faster you'll get :bounce:

07 July 2006, 10:19 AM
Yes, I've heard some good things about XSI, people seem to like it. But nobody could say anything for me to leave MaYa! I'm sticking with it! Anyway, you're doing great work here with XSI and keep doing it! I'll be watching :thumbsup:

07 July 2006, 08:33 PM
oh as far as modeling's concerned I'm certain Maya is the worse of the 3 :scream:
LOL I think it's just personal preference and also habit...


07 July 2006, 02:26 PM
I've never done anatomy drawings as such though I almost ended up studying medicine at one time LOL ... always thought it would be boring to draw bones and muscles but I decided to give it a go.. surprisigly it's quite a lot of fun :eek::scream: and quite hard too...

started working on a new 3d head yesterday too - but I don't think I'll finish it before tomorrow - new approach you see :scream:

07 July 2006, 04:24 PM
one more attempt at a 2d head - really quick just basically laid down the shapes... thanks razz for the tip for not using black - I thought it would be impssible to do but it worked :D

07 July 2006, 05:21 PM
Hey Intervain

Thanx for the kind words in my sb,

Really like that hand of yours - very expressive and informative at the same time. This last face is awesome too, but be careful for black - it has a tendency to destroy form. Rather replace the blacks that are on the light side of the figure with something lighter. remember that nothing on the light side is ever as dark as anything on the dark side! This will add dimension and depth to these.

Really like how you've used the colours - it's often fun and useful to see howmany colours you can cram into one pic - play around!


- d.

07 July 2006, 07:26 PM
Yeah, pure black should be banned :) Though it's not much I know about using color in paintings. That's one thing I (in my opinion) never did great when painting traditionaly. Maybe it's better for me when digital. You know, there's no custom color palette when you paint in traditional media. But it only needs practise. And that's what we're doing here, right?

Nice hand anatomy study too! Is that a study of some other artist or is that form your imagination? Lovely done.

Keep up with the studies and don't say a bad word about MaYa! :)

07 July 2006, 11:13 PM
demented - avoiding black was exactly what I've been trying to do with this coloured one - there's only dark purple - perhaps too dark :) I've tried to apply your colours suggestion in the new one... I still dont' have enough courage LOL

razz - thanks! yeah colours are so hard! :eek: the hand is from an anatomical reference - I don't have that much fantasy ;)

ok here goes my version of head 65 - around an hour :)

07 July 2006, 03:17 AM
Hi Intervain

Awsome work you've done here :thumbsup: Your 3d is amazing, can't say enough.
Look forward to seeing more :)


07 July 2006, 07:06 AM
FateBringer - thanks very much for visiting :thumbsup: Appreciate it!

07 July 2006, 08:03 AM
Great mood in the last peace. I like the colors too. They're getting better compared to the other colored peace. Are you going to do another head of that master? For me it was very interesting to do the other head another day. Because they are the same, only in different view. And I didn't use the previous ones colors, I tried todo a better work. It's great to compare them after that. Ok I'm telling this because I'd really liek to see you paint that other head :)

07 July 2006, 11:18 AM
razz - thanks a lot! I decided to follow your advice and try doing the second one :) I wanted way brighter colours with that one though...

my, angle of the head was a nightmare in this one and I feel it turned out a tad flat :/

07 July 2006, 11:40 AM
this is a bit older - but I still quite like it :) - done in around 30 mins looking at a photograph I can't find it anywhere, sorry - I can assure that no tracing or the like was involved ...

07 July 2006, 02:20 PM
did one more 2d image today :)

a roughly 3 hours worth of work - copy of Pierre Auguste Cot's Ophelia (, a typical victorian painting but I love them :D shame it's so hard to find a bigger than that copy :(
couldn't get the eyes to look at the viewer though - so mine's looking down for a change LOL
Nymph, in thy orisons, be all my sins remembered...

07 July 2006, 07:27 PM
The last one should've been hard to copy, eh? Such a small reference you had there. I like the depth in this painting. And great job on not using pure black on the background! You've captured the lighting on teh girl nicely, only some places could be brighter (like in the original painting).

When I was painting that second head you've done here, I had trouble too. It might seem easy, the angle may look simple at first glance. Nose was the area where I had the most trouble with. About yours, I like the thing that you've made it more bright. Adds a bigger contrast to the painting, looks much better in my opinion.

And progress is seen from you comparing these paintings to the little girl painting. Keep up with the studies :thumbsup:

07 July 2006, 10:55 PM
thanks a ton razz - really appreciate your help and opinions!

yeah with that head the angle was a killer - for me it was mainly that eye on the left though I have to admit the nose was a tough part as well...

here's just a small study I've done today as well - I guess I have a real 2d day :)

07 July 2006, 02:47 AM
Intervain, you've got a great thread going here. My friend directed me here and I was delighted to see an XSI user posting 3D anatomical works in this forum :) Just started using XSI about a month ago and I've fallen in love with it. Though haven't really accomplished anything yet, this thread is very inspiring and I may tackle a head this evening ;)

2D isn't my forte, I stopped drawing years ago so I can't offer crits. But I can definitely say that your drawings are getting better with each image, I especially like the eye study and Ophelia. I love how you captured the heads in 3D, really well done and it's amazing how fast you are. Afraid I can't offer crits on them either, but I'm observing nonetheless, learning as you post. Looking forward to more 3D pieces from you.

07 July 2006, 05:07 AM
Hey Dion - thanks very much, glad someone's visiting the thread :)

good luck with your XSI endavours - it's a sweet program heh?! I love it and it pains me to have to switch to Max soon... blah - but I'll still have XSI at home so more stuff is sure to come :)

07 July 2006, 05:21 AM
Good morning Magdalena!

As I've said before, the new version of your scholar is just fantastic, you've done right to choose this as an avatar, outstanding work:thumbsup: !
But I'm really surprised to see the fast improvement in your 2d work:eek: , some really good heads here and I especially like your hand and eye studies. Keep posting:) !

Have a nice day!


07 July 2006, 11:07 AM

Just stopped in to say hello.....finally cooled off here a little this morning, so I was able to check out your thread......very impressive...:applause: :thumbsup:
Can't say too much about your 3d work, other than I think it is GREAT...A virgin in that area..3d....myself...LOL...:) ....only been playing with Z BRUSH for 3 or 4 months, but haveing
a ball with it so far, and am finding it to be very additive...:scream:
On your 2D work, I read that you are timid when it comes to using purple...:)
Purple can be great, ...when blended into a yellow, gives a nice shade of gold ect....also makes a great shadow, that can have brighter colors applied on top of it,...creating a translucent effect :bounce:
On the first couple of pages of my anatomy thread, there are some good examples of the use of purple, to achive the effects that I decribed above....check them out, if you feel like it, and have time....might be of some help to you, in developeing your future 2D workes:shrug:


07 July 2006, 02:54 PM
Sabrina - wow thanks a lot, really appreciate it :)

Hey Glenn - Oh I've been going through your 'purple' paintings already :D Thanks a lot, I'd appreciate any help - I must do some exercises with mixing those colours I think... time to install painter *g* -- boo I'm not too keen on it but I guess it's the best software for that purpose [hate it because I don't know it ;P]

07 July 2006, 03:01 PM

It's great to see your accomplishments on both the 2D and 3D fronts! :) Your last 2D mastercopy has amazing qualities and promise, and it would be great to see you incorporate the various old master's styles into your own personal 2D work. I think the best 2D work has a personal theme to it and something that reveals the personality of the artist. It might be nice to see a self portrait or a portrait of a loved one, or even of a cherished pet ~ and to branch off from that, personal narratives and images that involve a story. It's great to have you as a part of the forum, and I look forward to seeing your continued progress here! :)



07 July 2006, 06:45 PM
love the 3d model the most
very nice
Thanks for sharing !

07 July 2006, 04:56 AM
Thanks Rebeccak - yeah I wish I had some constructive ideas for my own 2d pieces - must do some thinking :)

LATROMMI-SUINEG thanks for stopping by :)

07 July 2006, 03:53 PM
WOW ! this is sweet :eek:
do you still insist on that stupid "I'm not an artist" thing !!
cause heck ! you sure are one magda.. my ego would be dancing polka by now if I were you :)

07 July 2006, 09:24 PM
well thank you very much I'm sure ;) - but I still insist! Glad you like though!

ok, I've been trying a simpler way of doing eyeballs than I've been using so far - without too much layering of geometry just 1 sphere and one little extracted piece of a sphere ... I think it's working fine... it's all in the HDRI LOL
btw. there's no bump but it would be a good idea on the outside layer...

07 July 2006, 09:05 AM
trying to actually paint something in Painter for the first time - so far I've been only smudging with brushes and getting angry LOL ... this is only a dry artist brush... lots and lots of dubbing... decided to cram as much colour in there as possible [blues, purples, pinks etc..]

roughly 1,5 hrs

07 July 2006, 02:47 PM
another study of eyes - this time children's eyes... and back to PS yay!

07 July 2006, 03:01 PM
Those eyestudies rock! Really convincing, believable - could not have asked for better colours! Eyes are very powerful aspects of the face - immediately draw attention - these studies show a really good understanding of the eye! Liking everything else here a lot too - but those eyes are killer!

great work!

- d.

07 July 2006, 03:18 PM
It amazes me how you can create those 3d models from the one image references.

Those last eye studies are awsome!

07 July 2006, 03:22 PM

The left eye is just staring at me!!!

Greatness! =D

07 July 2006, 05:30 PM
Killer eyes, agreed with Demented! I can't stop looking at the left eye. So well painted. The reflection in that eye is just awesome.

Try different brushes with painted. Because you technique changes pretty much if you use one brush or another. Experiment with them. In fact, it's great to use both, ps and painter, because one tool does better things than the other and you can use that to help yourself.

The 3d eyes look great too, I'd like to see them stuck in some face :thumbsup:

07 July 2006, 07:21 PM
thanks for the kind comments everyone!

demented - wow! thank you so much - to me these eyes show that the main thing I need to learn is patience - once I've spent 2 hours on an eye it immediately starts to look like something, but most of the time I'm just too impatient and I want great results after preferably an hour LOL I should learn to save my 2d stuff and go back to it later like I do with 3d... I just haven't crossed that border yet...

razz - hehe yeah... I'm trying those brushes ... they really require some steel nerves *g*

07 July 2006, 08:46 PM
I'm keeping an eye on your thread (haha, there I go with the puns again...). Those 3D eyes are great - a little bloodshot, like the morning after a bloody mary binge, but really great. The 2D eyes are very striking. The irises are rendered quite well. About the only crit I could give on them is the eyelashes and the lachrymal caruncle (the little fleshy pink corner thing) - particularly on the right eye - could use a little work. eyelashes are difficult, though, because they swoop down a touch, then up. I think you're doing great in your paintings - keep going, you're getting better and better. I absolutely adore this thread. :)

07 July 2006, 10:14 PM
LOL the 3d eyes are very bloodshot actually :) quite right!

I totally agree about the lashes - very hard to do and I was loosing patience on them *g* you are right I should work harder on those...

I'm glad you like my trials :bounce: so here's one more quicky I did today ... not based on any painting ... just getting carried away and having fun...
in general I think 2d is fun again - after around 10 years of not painting at all :eek: - thanks for that guys!:)

hee - her eyes are off...

07 July 2006, 12:59 AM
Now I have the opportunity to return the compliment.

Beautiful, beautiful work, Intervain...wonderful meshes and you have some great studies in your 2D work.

I look forward to seeing much more.


07 July 2006, 01:53 AM
Hey :)

Finally got the chance to browse through your great thread :) wonderful work happening here Intervain... Can't comment on 3D... as I don't know anything about it, other than that your models look great, a lot of life :thumbsup:

2D is getting better :) looking forward to seeing more :)

a. :)

07 July 2006, 08:58 AM
The eye setup is similar to the one I'm defaulting too. I started at a 4 part eye which is anatomically close to accurate, but for a cartoon character. However 4 parts is complicated to work so the two part one you have seems to work well for me too. Can't wait to play around with HDRI lighting. Although to enhance the depth of the iris and pupils, I slightly invert the iris so its concave and the pupil is extruded inward deeply to create a strong shadow. Also a cylinder that is extrude around the bottom of the eyelid helps create the moist look. I would think it would look amazing with HDRI.

07 July 2006, 09:13 AM
Cris-Palomino thank you :)

Frejasphere :D thanks!

Womball - yeah I started from a 4 part eye as well but it's way too much hustle... I'm using a moiture object too, but obviously when the rest of the face is present *g*... My iris is concave - it's in the opposite direction of the outer layer which is a bit bulging outwardly... not much though... I haven't thought of extruding the pupil - must give it a try :thumbsup:
yeah HDRI changes a lot but placing the image on the eyeball is a pain LOL... give it a go for sure!

07 July 2006, 03:59 PM
a quick study today...

edit: I should add that the model I was referencing was actually sitting and straining his muscles hence the weird body twist :)

07 July 2006, 08:40 PM
Wow Mag, awesome stuff... wonder if Shraga saw that Judith. Congrats on the gig in UK.

07 July 2006, 08:51 PM
Hey Adam :) cheers! Thanks a lot! LOL I wouldn't show Shraga that one *g* it kinda doesn't compare :scream:

07 July 2006, 09:48 PM
Wow! really like the last one! was it from a live model?

07 July 2006, 09:52 PM
thnx, appreciate it! - nah! a photo :) wish I had access to models like that :scream:

08 August 2006, 03:50 AM
Nice study Intervain, I like the shading, esp the arm... and the hand, looks great :)

cheers :thumbsup:

08 August 2006, 11:43 AM

LOL...Don't get too frustrated with PAINTER...:scream:
In the brushes the bottom of the list, where it says TINTING....There is a brush in
that catagory called ..SOFTENER..great for a lot of things...just softens, without destroying edges ect....might be usefull to you in some way....:shrug:
Vary the size of the brush according to your need.

Nice job on those eyes by the that torso and arm study and that little girl came out BEAUTIFUL....ALSO like the color experiment on the face you did with painter...:thumbsup:
Can't wait to see ...MORE....:)


08 August 2006, 12:03 PM
Hey Glenn thanks so much for that tip - will have to try it :) I'm getting more than frustrated with those tools :D too many of them and I don't have classical art background so I really don't know how to control some of them... grrr... too many choices LOL:eek:

08 August 2006, 01:54 PM

LOL...:scream: ....Sounds like it's time to throw caution into the wind :eek: ,...and just start pushing all the buttons like I do....HAVE FUN...:bounce: .........:scream:


08 August 2006, 01:11 AM
VFS didn't provide a classical art background? Didn't you have to do art fundamentals first year?

08 August 2006, 08:04 AM
nah - VFS only does life drawing for a very short period of time [only 1 class a week], which is a shame... and later on it's practically impossible to join other classes and continue since you're working on your own project literally 24/7 for 6 months - a mad house [ well... 20/7 - you need a bit of sleep :)]

we also had quasi-sculpture class hehe... well it wasn't even that - I simply hated it... No VFS is not classicaly oriented at all... you need that before you go there [there's really no time]

I have no classical bg whatsoever.. before I went to VFS I was doin a PHD in English Literature LOL ... I also studied Economy and Diplomacy :) The closest I've ever gotten to artsy things was an apprentaceship at a master jeweller's shop - I lasted a week, so hated the job [well I know how to melt silver, make silver wire and a simple silver chain, that's something:) ]
I've been drawing ever since I could hold a pencil and then at the age of 15 I just stopped and never touched one for the next 10 idea why but that's the reason I have to learn now...

there started with VFS and ended up with an autobiography :scream:

08 August 2006, 09:07 AM
No , that's actually really cool to hear about your background !:)

You've done an awesome job on that Anat body lesson , in both 3d and 2d , which is great !
I didn't know that VFS don't provide really some painting/drawing classes .... but in fact not a lot of 3d schools do that ... They're are all technical , but somehow don't pay any attention on the creativity part and drawing basics which I think it's important as well ... :shrug:
Funny about the jeweller's shop , I had some years ago a job with a jewel creator , as a 3d modeler with Rhino .... it was all like , Could you make a ring or a faced emerald ?!? - Sure I will need at least a couple of weeks to handle so many details and polycounts .... :scream:

Anyway , really great studies ... can't wait to see more !

cheers ,


08 August 2006, 04:48 PM
So it looks like figure drawing classes and color theory ones for you! Also work with clay to at the same time if possible. They all relate to each other and change your ways of working with mediums. Figure drawing classes are cheap though I think, you can just attend a figure drawing class and draw. You won't learn the muscle but you would learn the form.

I kind of wish my school was more technical later on. The 3d cg program I was kind of head of... and it used Maya. Blah!

08 August 2006, 05:26 PM
So it looks like figure drawing classes and color theory ones for you!

hit the nail on the head - that's exactly what I feel I need to learn! Yeah I plan on finding something once I'm properly settled in the new place :)
hate working with clay and anything of that sort - I somehow don't like the 'dirty' arts... you know getting clay on my hands drives me nuts though I'm not a cleaning freak or sth...just don't enjoy any of it for some unknown reason :)

08 August 2006, 03:39 PM
Hi Magdalena/Intervain

You've got some nice paintings here at display.
Just wondering, have you completely given up on painter? I mean did you play with it more after your dabbing experience?
Donnow if you know this but a nice way to blend in painter is using the "just add water" brush from the blenders category. I call it the Don Seegmiller way coz I first read about it in a tutorial from his hand. It works for me (better than blending by adding strokes of different colors continuously)

08 August 2006, 03:43 PM
hehe nearly given up but still willing to experiment! Thanks so much for the tip :bounce: and visiting the thread :)

08 August 2006, 09:02 PM
mostly going through tutorials nowadays...
here's a concept I started... rather sick but I'd like to go on with it... - that's around an hour of work, going nutty

08 August 2006, 09:50 PM
lol is that drool I see (or is it just meh hehe)

08 August 2006, 12:06 AM
I think I looked like that earlier today in a meeting...hah! I really loved the arm study about a page back, too.


08 August 2006, 04:51 AM
Cool head :) like the movement... wondering what's playing in those headphones???? :)

cheers and keep it up
a. :)

08 August 2006, 04:36 PM
NR43 - LOL yeah.. that's spit :scream:

Cris-Palomino - thanks! and OMG you must have had a hard day *g*

Frejasphere - hehe - Wagner LOL

played around with it a bit more - looks more like a Marilyn Manson fan now...

08 August 2006, 06:20 PM

Fantastic to see the work you're doing! :)

This piece in particular really impresses me, as do the eye studies ~ wow! Really great sense of form with this one, which I think you could really push to the extreme with a full figure. It's been great to see how involved you've become with the forum! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)


08 August 2006, 06:40 PM
Some great stuff here, the latest stuff is really creepy!

Thanks for the visit to my little area :D

08 August 2006, 07:38 PM
Thanks Rebeccak :bounce:
I really enjoy this place - it's a good way to learn and keep one motivated :)
I'll give a full figure a go next time :D

Fl3wk (http://member.php?u=224494) - thanks a lot :)

08 August 2006, 10:50 PM

I love his one, I think it must look something like me when listening back on a taped band prictice session LOL :scream:


08 August 2006, 11:00 PM
hehe - some sessions these must be LOL Thanks :thumbsup:

08 August 2006, 08:19 PM
1,5 hrs study of the gymnast - ref. from the quicksketch thread :)
I think my guy turned out a tad too bulky...

08 August 2006, 04:02 AM
Looking good, I like the shading on the gymnast... and considering the time he's been hanging there, he would bulk up a bit ;)

a. :)

08 August 2006, 04:22 AM
hehe awesome I also did a sketch from that gymnast ref, check it out
but yours is looking good, just the arms are too small.

08 August 2006, 06:13 PM
Frejasphere LOL yeah poor guy... thanks :)

rblitz7 - I think it's probably that hands length problem that's making it look bulky :/ thanks :) - like your version a lot :D

08 August 2006, 07:00 PM
haven't done much really... getting ready to move, packing and all...
but I got myself a sketchbook - a breakthrough of sorts :) - I don't have my own scanner but managed to scan a few sketches - there's quite a lot of chaos there...

finally I was playing around with the render of my Fragonard model, just trying things out and I got this, which I liked so I thought I'd share :)

08 August 2006, 07:13 PM
Woah!.. your work on heads:applause: in 3D

Great 3d skills!..
I liked the anatomy sketches too:)
Last rendered image "Fragonard model" is 3D?..

08 August 2006, 07:16 PM
yep it's a 3d model - the same one as before with some 2d layering in photoshop :) just having fun...

glad you like the thread :)

08 August 2006, 08:56 PM
yeah, i like your work on that last model, very contrasting look, very nicely done, and your anatomy studies are looking good, Burne Hogarth isn`t it?
hey you living in the UK now?


08 August 2006, 09:07 PM
krispee - thanks :) yep - Hogarth it is - mostly anyway :thumbsup:

I'm still on the move there - well one more day and it'll be permanent :) - Scotland to be precise...

08 August 2006, 09:10 PM

It's great to see you've been so hard at work with your sketchbook! Wow, you're continually impressive in terms of your enthusiasm and willingness to try new things. Keep inspiring! :)



08 August 2006, 07:00 AM
Thanks Rebeccak :)

I'll have a break from my computer for some weeks to come, unfortunately, so I'll probably won't be updating till the end of the month :( ... but will definitely keep on sketching in the meantime...

08 August 2006, 11:03 AM

Great to see you studying Burne Hogarth....the princaples of drawing that he explains and demonstrates, ...will take you far...:)
Really like what you have done with that young girl....GREAT and SUCCESSFUL EXPERIMENT..Caravaggio LIGHTING.....DRAMA:bounce: :thumbsup: :)

Keep up the great and inspiring work...really looking forward to seeing more...:thumbsup:


08 August 2006, 11:13 AM
Hey thanks Glenn :) I agree - just love Hogarth's drawing - so much to learn :bounce:

08 August 2006, 01:58 PM
Hi Intervain,

Some great stuff you got here. I mainly like you 3D stuff; amazing how you can make these heads so fast. The last result of that rendering is very good. Keep on going.

08 August 2006, 11:08 PM
Great work on your Fragonard model... she looks awesome in this last one, the colours and the shading... lovely :) :thumbsup:

Keep it up and good luck moving

a. :)

08 August 2006, 07:44 AM
Intervain, You're so freaking talented! :bowdown: Really love that last photoshop/render and the black and white piece. Your anatomy drawings are looking awesome. Your thread is so inspiring. :D

09 September 2006, 08:48 AM
I'll have to come back, Magdalena...came to catch up, but Photobucket is working on things so images are down. :(


09 September 2006, 06:51 AM
thanks for visiting guys - I'm still away from my machine - I miss it so much :sad: - but not long now I believe... I have almost filled in my whole sketchbook, and that's saying something, so there will be something to post soon! dont' think I've been idle ;)

Cris - thanks a ton for stopping by!
Helen - you're way to kind :)
Frejasphere - cheers!
batte812 - thank you very much

09 September 2006, 07:17 AM

Can't wait to see what you will do with the new Workshop, woman! :bounce:

If you are having a problem with photobucket, try imageshack:

I look forward to seeing your sketches! :)



10 October 2006, 11:39 AM
wow great work...
your speed models are superb. love them...and you do them so effin fast. very jealous btw.
your drawings rock too. i dont need to say keep it up cuz u obviously do and i have no crits really cuz i cant see anything to comment on.

so you can continue updating. yup.

10 October 2006, 09:41 PM
Rebbecak - I hope I will finally do something :)

redmonkey - thanks a ton for the kind comment and visiting :)

well I've finally scanned some sketches from my sketchbook. It's all on a5 size paper and I tend to cram stuff onto 1 sheet LOL - so don't be surprised that there's a leg and a mouth on top of each other ;)

Obviously it's not all I've drawn over the past month but just a few things - mostly studies from Lumis, Hogarth and the anatomy books... the only things I could get my hands on at home , not having a computer all this time...

10 October 2006, 09:52 PM
and a few more...

10 October 2006, 09:58 PM
Awesome to see you back, Intervain! :) We've really missed your amazing 3D work in the Torsos thread.

These are some gorgeous sketches - can't wait to see more! Glad you have your computer back! :)



10 October 2006, 10:09 PM
Thanks Rebbecak :)

and a last batch - yay I did 1 torso today from the thread :) not much but it's a start LOL

10 October 2006, 09:22 AM
hey Magdalena!

-very nice studies you got here.
i hope to see more cool 3d from you soon.


10 October 2006, 12:35 PM
These are really beautiful studies! My only crit is that they are hard to see! I think you could just change the contrast and brightness of them.

10 October 2006, 12:43 PM
cheers guys! I'm glad you like.

Yeah I know the contrast sucks - will do something about it later - the darn scanner just freaks me out and my comupter exploaded [with blue fireworks] yesterday evening LOL SO I have to get some new parts first and hopefully make it run ... the irony of life :)

10 October 2006, 02:11 PM
That stinks! ALthough I would like to see what a blue firework looks like, as long as its not my computer. :twisted: I wonder if it was blue because of all of the blue pencil scans.

10 October 2006, 06:24 AM
Hi Intervain!
Great sketches... any reason why you prefer blue pencil?

10 October 2006, 01:09 PM
That stinks! .
that it sure does - literally LOL

anandpg: Thanks a lot, just got used to one I suppose - and I think it's easier to make corrections without using an eraser - just drawing on top of what's there already in blue covers it easier than with black - or maybe it's an illusion :) I just like the blue...

10 October 2006, 02:20 PM
I hope you have gotten a non stinky computer or repaired the problem.

10 October 2006, 10:26 PM
not yet :)

but for now it's a torso - wish I could do more of those... will try for the next few days...
Here's a quick study from Rubens' Three Graces

10 October 2006, 07:13 PM
another Rubens - this time from The Holy Family with Sts Elizabeth and John the Baptist - with a lot of artistic license exhibited :)

10 October 2006, 05:55 PM
Really lovely starts there. Rubens really knew how to paint the female body. Its a shame that rubenesque is considered an insult now. Your now in Canada? You were just in the Uk!?!

10 October 2006, 06:55 PM
hehe - well, yeah, lot's of moving lately...blah

thnx - I agree about Rubens! And here's a boy from him... Abduction of Ganymede...

10 October 2006, 07:52 AM
and The Cupid - a tad fatter than the original [had a wholesome dinner ;)]

Rod Seffen
10 October 2006, 11:50 AM
I love the skin tones in the three graces study, I think the last three are getting a little too reddish for my tastes. You have a great old master drawing style there as well.
I've long been meaning to practice drawing and painting to acheive standards like this but just never get around to it, I make do with basic rough sketeches and then straight onto doing it in 3d.

10 October 2006, 01:06 PM
Hi oDDity - thanks very much for visiting :) and woah thank you .. I thought I lack patience and the level of finish is very bad, I'm glad you like it though :D

time for another one
Rubens again - this time it's Venus Frigida

I admit I lost patience and didn't quite finish her leg ;)

10 October 2006, 12:40 PM
well another contribution to the Torso lesson... Rubens again - The Consequences of War

10 October 2006, 01:14 PM
Really love the atmospheric feel to these - that's a unique approach amongst the pieces I've seen so far. As well I'm really enjoying the soft color combinations - great control there! :)

10 October 2006, 01:46 PM
gotta love them bone studies

you've got an awesome eye for colors as well... spot on every time!
super stuff!

10 October 2006, 05:07 PM
Really love the rubens studies. Keep em up!

I hope you don't mind me asking. But do you know of a plugin called zbump for xsi? I'm not sure how to install it, where to find in the nodes, and how to use it.

10 October 2006, 05:35 PM
Rebeccak - aww thank you!

NR43 - thanks! Yeah I enjoy drawing them bones, great fun :) about the colours... hehe - well I do have great reference in Rubens, if I had to come up with it myself now that would be a disaster I predict :)

Womball - thanks a ton!
I do know zbump - awesome, way better than the default bumpmapping node... I did install it myself like 2 months ago but right now don't quite remember how I've done it LOL ... I still don't have my own machine up and running - will try to get that going by tomorrow so I'll figure out how to do it again and let you know... it's a silly way of doing it with XSI 5 easier with the previous versions... sorry I can't say more now :( [just don' remember names of folders and stuff]

10 October 2006, 07:36 AM
OMG! magdalena!.......What happened to you! i thought you was awesome ....but this is stunnin'....:scream:..... WOW!
Well you've inspired me to get going again......Thank you:)

10 October 2006, 08:12 AM
Vikram! SO nice of you to drop by :) AWWWW you're too nice, as per usual ;) - I'm glad to make you want to do stuff though! Cheers!

10 October 2006, 08:31 AM
Magdalena, I've gotta tell ya...I love those color studies...wonderful palettes...the pieces are coming out beautifully.


10 October 2006, 10:08 AM
Good Morning.....Magdalena...:)

Just stopping by to say Hi, and to admire your latest work.
Your paintings are getting better with each one, it looks like...much more relaxed brush work
in that last one...less choppy....BEAUTIFUL...:thumbsup:
I also really like the line and draftsmanship shown in your drawings...GREAT job on those..:applause:
Real pleasure seeing your work....can't wait to see more...:)

10 October 2006, 03:53 PM
Cris - awww thank you so much!

Glenn - cheers! really appreciate your opinion!

10 October 2006, 11:13 AM
Womball - I assume you have downloaded the zbump plugin file? [the xsi 5.0 version!]

ok so it has two small files in there - a .dll extension and an .spdl

what I did was:

1. put the dll file into - C:\Softimage\XSI_5.0\Application\Plugins
2. put the spdl file into - C:\Softimage\XSI_5.0\Application\phenolib\spdl
3. open xsi - go to FILE - PLUGIN MANAGER - SPDL tab - INSTALL [and choose the spdl file from the application plugins folder
4. close xsi
5. reopen it :)
6. go to the texture editor - and choose texture - bump - other - user
it should be there among the nodes... and just plug it into your bump slot in the tree...

hope it works... did for me :) I hope I haven't mixed up any file names LOL

10 October 2006, 12:48 PM
Hey Magdalena :)

It's good to see you back with your computer :) and the work you are posting :applause: True that you haven't been twiddling your thumbs in "down-time", and it's exciting to see the new places your painting is taking you - well done :) I do like the impressionistic feel about the Rubens studies, and as I think I said before: the way you play with light on flesh is gorgeous!
Keep it up :)

cheers and take care
a. :)

10 October 2006, 11:27 AM
Hi Intervain....
great paintings... You have been great as a 3D artist.. and u seem to be as good with the paint brush too!! nice strokes and great colors, too...:applause:

10 October 2006, 12:01 PM
Womball - I assume you have downloaded the zbump plugin file? [the xsi 5.0 version!]

ok so it has two small files in there - a .dll extension and an .spdl

what I did was:

1. put the dll file into - C:\Softimage\XSI_5.0\Application\Plugins
2. put the spdl file into - C:\Softimage\XSI_5.0\Application\phenolib\spdl
3. open xsi - go to FILE - PLUGIN MANAGER - SPDL tab - INSTALL [and choose the spdl file from the application plugins folder
4. close xsi
5. reopen it :)
6. go to the texture editor - and choose texture - bump - other - user
it should be there among the nodes... and just plug it into your bump slot in the tree...

hope it works... did for me :) I hope I haven't mixed up any file names LOL

Thanks Intervain! I did manage to figure it out, however I wasn't sure what settings to use. So I ended up using the bump map generator with a tangent normal map. :-( It still seemed to work though, I think.

10 October 2006, 03:07 PM
Hey, Magdalena. Some nice paintings to see here. Enjoyed Rubens studies a lot.You've really done a good job for the torso challenge. That's a thingie I didn't manage to do. Good to see you painting :) Waiting for more.

10 October 2006, 10:05 PM
Frejasphere - thanks very much for visiting and your kind words :)

anandpg - really appreciate that coming from you!

Womball - whatever works best for you :) zbump gives more intensive bumps though... I think it's better...

razz - thanks :D hope more will come ;)

haven't done much lately - lots of crazy stuff in life, moving again and all... blah I think I'll never sit still ;) anyway I decided to give zbrush a quick try - mainly watching tutorials...

I haven't done anything like sculpting anatomy from a simple model before [just bumps and simple normal maps so far] - it's just half an hour's work - LOL one, middle, finger and a tad bit of the hand but I thought I'd post anyway since I don't have much else to show... the wire just to show you how primitive the geometry is ...

I'm actually pretty happy to have gotten so far in that short space of time really... makes me want to learn further...

10 October 2006, 05:26 AM
Hey that hand looks really nice.

So this is a male hand? I made up this lil investigation here at work and it seems the middle finger of female hands is usually not longer than the pointing finger.
With men, the middle finger is always longer (here at work).
Any other features one could recognize a male hand from a female hand and vice versa?
(ok I admit I haven't done any research on hands anatomy yet, apart from the above)

10 October 2006, 05:50 AM
Wow, nice hand, Magdalena...I keep saying, someday...3d. Heh. You guys that do it, make me wanna.


10 October 2006, 07:03 AM
THanks guys!

NR43 - that's interesting! I was referencing my own knuckles ;) and my middle finger is waaay longer than the other ones - the entire length of a nail longer than the pointing finger in fact...

Cris - definitely give 3d a go :thumbsup:

10 October 2006, 07:51 AM
Hi Intervain!..:wavey:
Nice to see Zbrush work!..:thumbsup:
I would request you to share with us a bit more of your workflow...did you use Zbrush for base mesh or some other 3D package?..which tutorials do u find best for a quick study to learn sculpting in Zbrush?..Although pixologic is full of them...but still which onez you found quick and easy to understand?..:curious:

Keep postin:deal:

10 October 2006, 12:16 PM
Hi...Magdalena...:) :thumbsup:

Just popping in to see what you have been up to...HANDS...:eek: :) ... I LIKE IT..Maybe a little more of the wrist bone, ..thumb side...had to say something..LOL..:scream: :)
You know....Anandpg gave me a hand # 51..frame #754 in my anatomy thread
Haven't had a chance to try to explore the method on that demo yet, but getting ready to this morning....looks like a pretty good method...might be the one your already using..not sure.
If it's not, it might be worth taking a look at it . I think you can download it from my site, if you are interested...not sure though. ..If you want it , but can't load it, let me know, and I will have MRS SPIRIT DREAMER send it to you....LOL...not good at those technical funtions myself..:scream:
Anyway, glad to see someone else is struggling with hands in 3d,on this forum besides me..:scream:
Always a pleasure seeing your work...Magdalena...:thumbsup:

10 October 2006, 08:05 PM
CgIcecube - thanks :)

Well I used a mesh from XSI - so it was simple that way :)
I'd say that the GNOMON vids are the best for learning zbrush - especially the introduction to Zbrush and Aaron Sims vid :) Well any gnomon dvds are good though they can be boring at times...

GLENN - bless!!! that was an awesome script! I never knew one can do edge loop so easily in zbrush - I could move points and do those silly z-spheres but not do edgeloops... it made everything so much easier, though I have to say the selection and hiding thing is stupid ;) Thanks again for the link :bounce:

10 October 2006, 08:01 AM
Hi Magdalena :)

Nice hand modelling :)

Not wanting to undo Johan's research work :D but my middle finger is also way longer than both ring ringer and index... I think that generally hands tend to come in all shapes and sizes; long slender fingers and palm, short and stubby, broad, square etc... male hands tend to be a bit rougher with more pronounced knuckles, larger in size (which is hard when there's no size reference), yet there'll always be exeptions to any rule which makes it all the more exciting :)

cheers and take care
a. :)

10 October 2006, 08:21 AM
Hey Magdalena,

great to see you've found some time between all your moving and other stuff for some zBrush experiments...impressive result for half an hour and such a rough mesh:thumbsup: , so watching videos seems to help:D .
Not to forget your beautiful Rubens studies, I really like your color palette...

Nice day for you!


10 October 2006, 10:06 AM
Magdalena, your work is great!!:scream:

I really like the natural look of your 3D hand.

I like the first version of head 65. the angle of the head i smore expressive and I find more solemnity in it as opposed to the other. They are each great in their own right though.

Your thread kicks ass.Period.:applause:

10 October 2006, 01:46 PM

another attempt - just got a tad carried away there ;)

Frejasphere - thanks :D

Sabrina - thank you very much! watching videos does help indeed...

ha-dou-ken - wow, I think you're way too nice... you might change your mind after seeing the above LOL... kinda screwed up but whatever, we're here to learn...

10 October 2006, 01:49 PM
Wow, Itervain...

Great start!! that hand study is soo sweet.. are you going to detail the nails further? cant wait to see more zbrush work from you..:thumbsup:

10 October 2006, 01:57 PM
Oh! I hadnt seen that last one.. looks great! I see you are putting on texture(bump) also.. are you using projection master? Are u working on both sides simultaneously, or finish one side and then start the other?

10 October 2006, 02:19 PM
That hand is wicked! The knuckles need a little work, but that's just nitpicking. I agree with Anand, can't wait to see how you go about the fingernails! I'm so anxious. It's like watching TV. I hate TV btw, so this is so much better!You make me want to get back in 3D now:drool:

10 October 2006, 05:44 PM
Hi guys! woah - I can tell you one thing - you're motivating me to work on it :) THANKS for that and for the kind comments.

anandpg - Oh I'm going all over the place ;) - experimenting and yes I did some projections too, just to see how stuff works really...

a little update - I'm enjoying zbrush, that is unbelievable! :eek: worked a little on them nails and knuckles - still haven't touched the thumb much though... so excuse it's look...

10 October 2006, 01:59 AM
Holly christ magda, you are an artist no doubt about it, awsome work its always soo cool to see your work its always so impresive.

10 October 2006, 09:11 AM
Karla! So nice of you to drop by and thanks for the kind words - I hear you're working with Craig :) Hope you're enjoying Bardel! Cheers!

a little update - I consider the front of the hand finished - started doing the underside .. not sure I'll finish though [I'm going away for some time...]

anyway, here goes, hope you like [I'm rather proud of the nails LOL]:

10 October 2006, 09:56 AM
hey magdalena!

great to see you back on some 3d. the hand looks really good. love all the subtle details on it.
did you create your own alpha maps for it?


10 October 2006, 12:36 PM
abyss103 thank you very much :)

no I actually used the library that comes with the Aaron Sims dvd - Detailing Characters in Zbrush [highly recommend this one!!!]... it's a huge collection of skin alphas ... I just used 2 different ones to give the hand those tiny pores which would take way too long by hand :) Otherwise it's all sculpted with the push and pull tools...

10 October 2006, 01:32 PM
Great model, Intervain! Planning to texture it? Would love to see it with a good sss shader and a texture. Be sure to do that! You should that I have big respect for the artists who have good skills in both, 2d and 3d. So it's truly great to see this work in 3d after those 2d ones. But I'll want to see more of 2d ones too!

Waiting for the updates on the hand. Maybe you'll get motivated to do the whole body after this :D I'm planning to do it one day, you should too.

10 October 2006, 08:17 PM
hey thanks razz.... hmm I didn't really think of texturing it... I mean just a piece of a character :) I do want to sculpt a whole one in zbrush actually... just need the time and my computer for a bit longer than a week LOL and that hasn't been hapening lately... hopefully I'll finally get settled for more than a month over the next months and work a tad more on my own stuff [3d as well as 2d] :D

10 October 2006, 02:30 PM
Hi Intervain... the details have come out real cool... anxious to see the palm! You really should be proud of those nails!!:thumbsup:

10 October 2006, 08:50 PM
Wow, I'm loving your 3d models. Such simple but effective topology for your heads.

I'll definitely have a closer look before my next character. The joints of the fingers are nearly there but maybe the folds of skin could be visually stronger than the creases. What do I know though- your modelling's way more advanced than mine ( for the time being at least- Heh ).

11 November 2006, 02:57 PM
Great hand modell! I think the thumb is a bit too short and twisted a bit strangely. Or it might be my thumb that's off...

Keep on posting.

11 November 2006, 12:06 AM
thanks guys! Unfortunately it will take a while until I'll post something new - I'm looking for a new place to stay now and I'm settling down in a new job... crazy life once more... hopefully it won't last too long!

anandpg - cheers!! yeah I'm anxious to see that palm myself ;)

Tonik - thanks a lot - really appreciate the complements and the crits - will look to it when I have that preciouss time :)

batte812- thanks, I have to agree about that thumb, didn't notice it before :) cheers!

12 December 2006, 03:49 AM
so I'm joining in with the new workshop - finally got my computer with me after 2 months absense... almost...

so here's the first pass of my choice:

Jean Auguste Dominique Ingres (1780-1867)
Princesse Albert de Broglie, née Joséphine-Eléonore-Marie-Pauline de Galard de Brassac de Béarn
Oil on canvas, 1853
47 3/4 x 35 5/8 inches (121.3 x 90.8 cm)

12 December 2006, 05:44 AM
Woohoo more 3d. Looks like the painting is off to a good start. Can't say much about the hand yet, my critical art side is kind of used up. Finals week.

12 December 2006, 06:14 AM
Good to have you back Intervain.great start on the OFDW piece. the arms are out of proportion but I'm sure you know. Still early stage... just thought I'd mention it

12 December 2006, 08:00 AM
yooohoooo!!!:bounce: look who is back!!! Awesome start on the OFDW piece, Magdalena!!! keep going!:thumbsup:

12 December 2006, 10:35 AM
Weee - thanks so much for the kind welcome guys!! :)

Womball - good luck with your school projects :)

NR43 - hehe, what you mean out of proportion - she's half giant you know ;) Yeah you're right I did this, uploaded it and when I looked at it after some time I was terrified LOL Thank goodness this workshop takes a month :D Thanks for visiting!

anandpg - cheers! :) I sure hope to :D

12 December 2006, 12:59 AM
today's update... I'm a bit more satisfied with the size of the hands though not with the elbows and the direction they're turning :) Also I think the face seems a tad closer to the original now... Phew... the lace and cloth still ahead 0_o

12 December 2006, 11:20 AM

and another slight update - top of the dress and a necklace + some details in the face and hair... L O A D S more to go...

12 December 2006, 11:29 AM
Awesome!!! are you gonna color this?

12 December 2006, 12:15 PM
Thanks :D I'd love to colour it but I also quite like that dark b&w version so I'll probably make the colours darker than the original... a bit I mean -- I don't like the original's light brown hair for one thing ;) ... we'll see... I'll colour it if the values version turns out good enough... sheesh I've never, ever completed an entire image of this quality so it's going to be HARD :D

edit: you got me interested what it would look like in colour LOL - here's a 5 minute dab in 'color' mode in photoshop... definitely gives it a punch and I like those 'colder' blues more than the original I think [yeah I know I was supposed to recreate the original ;)]... obviously I'd put more work into the final colouring and not make her eyes bloodshot...:scream:

12 December 2006, 01:13 PM
wow, umm, drool, um, Awesome work :thumbsup: ... sorry nothing intelligent to say


12 December 2006, 02:25 PM
Turning out BEAUTIFUL..:applause:
One area that you might work on a little more, is...her face, right side of painting as Im looking at it...You might make her cheek bone pop out a little more, by darkening the shadow under it a little...that side of her face, is looking a little boneless or flat at the moment, as compared to the other side...other than that, she is looking FANTASTIC so far, to my eyes anyway..:)

12 December 2006, 02:28 PM
FateBringer - wow thank you :)

SpiritDrimer - Thanks so much Glen!!! You're right she does look flat :) I'll see to that asap... I also feel the arms are flattened a tad *grr...* Oh well, more work :D Thanks for visiting!

12 December 2006, 04:52 PM
This is a nice rendition of an Ingres. There is an area around her left shoulder & chest that is lovely in your handling. I think the 1/2 tone is perfectly soft in stroke and subtley toned in cool color here. Actually, the whole flesh area has excellent transitions from dark to light. How did you color from black&white to color mode? Overlay? Because the color up is quite nice. Very clean. Learning to digipaint so always want other artists' approaches and thoughts.

12 December 2006, 05:00 PM
oooh thanks for visiting and the kind words!

I'm using this colouring technique for the first time myself and am surprised by the result :) I applied a layer in 'color' mode - nothing fancy - just a few shades of peach and brown for the skin ... it seems to work really well over the values bg... I think Stahlberg described that process quite well :) Hope it helps!

12 December 2006, 06:54 PM
Dress good, skin good, hair good, eyes scary! I think the eyes could use some work. Maybe some white in there and the shape seems off.

12 December 2006, 07:08 PM
LOL I just thought of that Rayman rabbit when he has an attack... yes the eyes are still big black holes [you don't like'em like that? ;)]!! Thanks very much for the honest comment... Oh she needs so much work still that I want to cry... I don't think a month will be enough...

I honestly cannot comprehend how on earth Ingres painted this thing in the first place :eek:

12 December 2006, 08:00 PM
If you were involved at all with the making of the rabbids, I might to have marry you. Otherwise I'm not interested, :wise:. I'd fix those holes, eyes can't be holes, unless your making something freaky! Rabbids>greater than everything right now. Bearded rabbits, brilliant!

12 December 2006, 08:10 PM
LOL no they made them in the French studio I think... they're just so uber hillarious, especially when their eyes change to red ones *g* Whoever came up with that idea definitely killed a myth of Python's killer bunny *g* or? fear them.... *g*

anywho - yessss.. I'll make her eyeses prettier ... soon... I think...

12 December 2006, 12:06 AM
well I flipped the image and was shocked to see how distorted her head shape was so I adjusted quite a bit on the right side [Glen you were so right] Well hope it's looking better...

Womball - I did paint her eyes a tad brighter so they don't look like black holes to eternity any more ;)

12 December 2006, 12:14 AM
It looks much better now with those improvement. I will have to keep that in mind for future 2d projects. Miss uber "g." You almost sounded like gollum in that post before the last.

12 December 2006, 02:48 AM
Oh snap! Great work! The clothing is specially nice...back to he drawing board for me he heh. :thumbsup:

12 December 2006, 03:23 AM
hehehe - that was a really funny reaction :) Oh wouldn't exaggerate - considering I've been sitting on that image for 2 days flat when you count all the hours ... don't ask me why because I don't know ;) It's mental! But I really want to finish one image as a whole, you know... for once in my life :)

Still thanks for the kind words!

Womball - LOL precioussss.... don't know what you mean ... what's a gollum?! ;)

12 December 2006, 04:05 PM
well a small update yet again - the dress.. also I lightened quite a lot of the areas after all...but I'm particularly satisfied with the three little ribbons tieing her sleeve LOL, I know it's ridiculous but my it was hard to do... How on earth did the painter do it all without being able to zoom in and out in photoshop to see the details is just astounding... Now I know I can't paint [thanks very much Mr Ingres :rolleyes:]

12 December 2006, 04:11 PM
Wow wow wow! :) I'm so stoked to see your progress and can't wait to get back to working on mine. Thanks for the inspiration Intervain! :thumbsup:

12 December 2006, 12:25 AM
Wow thanks so much, me inspiring you 0_o ! That's a new one :D Cheers!

Well I think I've started obsessing about that painting now... another update - still playing around with the dress and still avoiding the breast ribbons and the hands and jewellery ;)

I think the biggest lesson I got from this project so far is not to go too crazy with contrast :) as I kept making the darks brighter I found that it's looking so much better... That's like an enlightenement... Really when one looks at a painting the darks seem so dark but actually they are not... [sorry for the lecture but I am so stunned by this discovery and probably many of you know that already ;)]

12 December 2006, 06:42 AM
Thanks for sharing your knowledge :)
It's why we want you to do OFDW's hehe...

No seriously... you're getting a bit obsessed... but obsession about art is a good thing. There is passion and drive and it shows in your work!

This is turning out mighty impressive Intervain!
Really looking forward to the next update

Take care,

12 December 2006, 07:10 AM
Awesome progress, Magdalena!!! the dress looks fantastic!!:bounce:

12 December 2006, 01:30 PM
NR43 - a bit obsessed?! That's putting it mildly :) Thank you :D

anandpg - cheers, glad you like [it wasn't as hard as I anticipated actually - the skirt at least, I won't say a word about the ribbons and laces ;).. I think the face is waaaaaay more difficult] BTW. when are you joining in the fun?! *nudge*

12 December 2006, 03:38 AM
well today's update is not drasticly visible :)

I repainted the head piece completely, also did some detailing in the hair [way too much but I like it]... Repainted some of the lacey bits on the chest/neckline, added the ring on her finger and refined the hand a bit + lightened the entire background... it took many hours though you can hardly see it :)

12 December 2006, 06:12 AM
Insane! Great details in the hair, I like it. The background looks better now and it is noticable that it's lighter. Can't wait to see you colorise this. Best master study you've ever made? :D

12 December 2006, 02:34 AM
nah! I have a whole stash of true 'copies' that I'm selling just to make some money on the side ;)

hehe... thanks! I'm actually so proud of myself for having gone thus far... mind you I'm losing it now... 'must paint the chair and pearlies!' - that'd be my mantra for the next week:D

thanks for visiting!

so tired today that I just couldn't do much - some minor tweaks to the face and the hand... still haven't touched the chair and the pearls + the breast bow is still to be painted because I just can't get it right every time I try :)

in the meantime, I've started laying down some proper base colours...

12 December 2006, 03:46 AM
WOW! great work!


12 December 2006, 05:54 AM
Heey, show us those true 'copies'!! I'm really keen to see them.

So great to see this monochromatic and then with another post boom!! it's colorful. Who knows, maybe you'll encourage ne to start a second master copy from OFDW and paint it with this technique. But I should better finish the one I started already. As always, so much to do and so little time for that. I'm glad you spend the free time you have painting this. It is astonishing already and will be even more when finished :bounce:

12 December 2006, 12:49 AM
thanks very much guys!

razz I have to say this technique's awesome but I'm not sure I could do it without the 'desaturate' option :) just by looking at stuff in colour... must do some exercises like that!

anyway I am looking at the desaturated version in case anyone's in doubt, for now :) I've started the second Ingres just to have something different to do and rest from the blue dress... still early stages...

12 December 2006, 05:44 AM
Hey Intervain / Magdalena
splendid job on the dress details! Really... I keep scrolling back and forth lol.
Keep going!

12 December 2006, 02:54 AM
thanks! :)

well I guess it's time to move on to the things I don't want to do :) Started the pearls and I can safely say that it feels like punishment, and the other woman has the whole necklace 0_o ... aaaaaa!!!

also did part of the chair... I'm still thinking what to do with those damask patterns on top :) - kinda tempted to go to one of my fav websites [ (] ( and nick a damask pattern from their vast resources ;P

the bow on the front of her dress I guess will never come into fruition LOL - it's killing me - I've tried to painted like 5 times already :rolleyes:
Oh and I'm definitely not doing the fan or the gloves ;P no way...

12 December 2006, 12:15 AM
Well - I call this b&w version finished! :) I've finally decided to paint the ornaments on the cloth - it's basically just smudges :) nothing as detailed as in Ingres' version but I think it's still working fine and I'm tired ;)

and this is the first colour pass... I'll be correcting some stuff with colours on top of the b&w so if you see something really annoying tell me :)

12 December 2006, 02:56 AM
I guess I'll never leave that one ;)

played around with the chair and some other small things...

12 December 2006, 03:10 AM
Wowzers you made a sister for her, with strange fingers and a tuma on her hand. ;-) Is her neck that long in the original image? Its look really good though.

12 December 2006, 03:13 AM
LOL nice sistah huh?! ;)

thnx - I think the neck's looking so long because I've made the shadow on the right side a tad to dark and going down too much but I couldn't be bothered ;)

12 December 2006, 05:23 AM
well I'm done with the Princess ;) - I think that's enough of her! I've gone way further than I ever thought I could go and I'm rather pleased with myself :) So here's the final image and a higher res version is in my portfolio should you like to see it :)

Thanks everyone for your comments and help :thumbsup:

12 December 2006, 08:57 AM
There are some issues here and there, but I wouldn't be bothered with those either :)
I think the dress with all it's wrinkles and folds... the texures of the shoulder pieces... the face... the values... the colors...
just wow.

you've created something you can be darn proud of!

12 December 2006, 03:41 PM
NR43 - thanks very much for your kind words! Yes there's tons of issues actually :) and every time I look at it I see more but I've had sooo enough of her :)

well I've promised that I'll at least try to learn Painter - I don't know why but my version does weird things to the keyboard and all the keys are not where they're supposed to be - it slowsl me down and I think that's what's been driving me mad... must see to that!

I've tried Mal-1's brush and must say loved it *hides*
here's a very quick study from Sargent and a very off one at that but hell I totally didn't get used to those pastels yet...

12 December 2006, 04:05 PM
:thumbsup:That's just amazing! The blue dress, just unbelievable! (and I just noticed you're with Ubisoft- how cool)
Can't wait to see how your new child portrait evolves!
cheers- Scott

12 December 2006, 06:06 PM
Well you got me out of my slacking mood with your OFDW piece now and I'll do it in Painter :D (I'll post it on later today)

I'm sure you'll love Painter once you get the hang of it... it's an amazing tool

nice start on that portrait...

12 December 2006, 06:47 PM
Hey:thumbsup: Simply inspiring :scream: the details painted in Princess!..The blue

12 December 2006, 11:44 PM
well I'm done with the Princess
Really, really beautiful job with your Woman in Blue, Magdalena! :applause:

12 December 2006, 02:09 PM
Thank you very much everyone :) I appreciate your comments a lot and thanks for popping by!

milw - omg no! He's not evolving LOL - it's just a sketch to try this brush :) Glad you like though!

NR43 - Oh snap;P Oh I'll learn it now for sure [I'm a competitive lass :)] Cheers - look forward to your contribution :bounce:

CgIcecube - awww thanks!

YMS - thanks so much! I loooooooove yours btw!

12 December 2006, 07:29 PM
Just gorgeous work! I am really excited to see how quickly you've progressed with this - gives me a big kick in the pants! :D

Cheers, :)


12 December 2006, 07:30 PM
wow magda your art is wonderful, i love everything !
im still amazed by how you model without side,front ... references, unbelievable.

12 December 2006, 08:57 PM
Hehe - thanks so much Rebbecak!

Allure - oh you flatterer you! Thanks :) but I'm sure I've got such a long way to go :)

a quick sketch - about an hour - in ... photoshop :D hope you can tell who that is :D

12 December 2006, 10:06 PM
Is that a self-portrait?

Haa, just joking! The only name pops into my head is Einstein, am I right? Pretty hell of a lot done in an hour. At least it would take me much longer. You are awesome, I must say :scream:

Still can't get my eyes off your OFDW piece. Yumm :drool: (I mean the painting, the lady isn't really my type).

Okey, keep it up!

12 December 2006, 10:09 PM
yAY - it is Einstein! You win ;)

I was amazed actually how quickly he turned out to look good - I think I must have learned to use that b&w better while working on that blue lass! Must say I'm happy - sort of developing a way of looking at stuff slightly differently I've noticed! B&W is good :D

12 December 2006, 10:17 PM
Yes, value is one of the most important things and you seem to handle it very well now. Try doing b&w piece while looking at a colored image. See how that turns out :) That's what I did with one of my Sargent's study. Was hell of a fun and an awesome stuff for practising values! Oh, Einstein needs combs.

12 December 2006, 10:31 PM
yeah I totally think I need to do that next... hehe he does but I love him all uncouth :) so geeky!

12 December 2006, 02:30 AM
Nice work why don't you have stars??

12 December 2006, 05:33 AM
WOW! WOW! WOW! - is all I can say!!!:bounce:.... congratulations on finishing the Ingres study!! btw, your old class-mate Vikram works with me in bangalore now and he raves about you!!... He says you are the goddess of 3D modeling.. and I say you are fast becoming the goddess of digital painting too!!! cheers!! you are rocking big time!!

12 December 2006, 10:11 AM
Mark - thanks very much :D Well I'm happy as long as there's people visiting!! now I have to work twice as hard to deserve them starsies :)

Anand - Thank you! And man it's a small world! You MUST say hello to Vikram from me! He's always been waaaay too nice :) and now you're joining his legions?! LOL What are they feeding you guys over there?! THANKS AGAIN for visiting!

12 December 2006, 11:19 AM
now I have to work twice as hard to deserve them starsies :)

maximum is 5 which you already have so don't bother... all we need is more more more :D

great portrait, the last one... funny expression

12 December 2006, 02:01 AM
hehe - cheers!

well I've been mostly sketching in my sketchbook for the past 2 days and since I have no scanner you won't see any of it :) Suffice it to say they are Hogarth studies :)

Here's a sketch from Sargent's Madam Astor - couldn't get the likeness for the world of me... *sigh*

I think I must jump back to 3d for a change - just need another mouse because I've been using the wacom one and it's just c*&(!

12 December 2006, 03:53 AM
Hi Intervain,

I would like to know which software you used. some of you work didnt mention the tools you used. Quick modelling, 2D & 3D as well Looking forward to hear from you.



12 December 2006, 06:04 AM
Hi Magdalena... Buy a scanner!! Buy a scanner!!..:bounce: I am anxious to see your Hogarth studies... Or just shoot them with a digital camera!!... just post them somehow!!

12 December 2006, 06:08 AM
yeah, show us them sketches

we're hungry!

12 December 2006, 05:43 PM
thanks for visiting folks!

sivan - for the modeling I'm using softimage xsi and some zbrush.. and for painting mostly Photoshop CS. I'm trying to get accustomed to Paiter but I hate it ;) - a matter of principle I guess...

anand - yessss... I know I have to buy one but I want this combo thingy - you know: scanner, printer and copier in one and I don't have the cash available at the mo because I opted for some cool concert tickets instead ;P

Johan - thanks for visiting again :)

12 December 2006, 01:07 AM
Wow Intervain, your grasp on 2d and 3d is really great. your progression is truely great. keep up the great work! Thanks for visiting my sb, and can't wait to see more work from you. I also want to see your sketches.


12 December 2006, 02:47 AM
Darktwin - thank you, I really appreciate it! I hope more will come :)

I just started another OFDW piece, this time in 3d but I'll say no more until it'll take some shape :) Right now it's a few polys - I'm hoping to do most of it in zbrush and I'm currently laying out the base mesh in xsi! It's a Leighton for a change :) [thought a painting would be more challenging than a sculpture... or rather more interesting for me!]

12 December 2006, 04:44 AM
Hi Magdalena... Great to know you started an OFDW piece in 3D!! I was planning to do one during the vacation.
Btw.. does a scan/print/fax combo give as much scan resolution and image quality as a specialised scanner? ... I bought a scanner alone because i was not sure of the combo.. just check before you buy. abt concert tickets.... are you much into music?... just curious to know what other talents you have!!:scream:

12 December 2006, 09:30 PM
Hey Anand, that's a fair point - never even crossed my mind... mind you I don't really care that much about how great the scans look - I'm not using them as line art anyway... but will take that into consideration when finally making my purchase...

so here - just to prove that i am doing something LOL - only a few hours work so far as I had no time to do any more... So I do know the lips are off, there's only half of the head done and the ear is not finished :) Her clothes are not modeled either + a lot will be done in zbrush aftewards so I think I'm going too crazey with the base mesh anyway :)

... also now I look at it the eye's off... meh! Will correct it in due time :)