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05 May 2007, 10:41 AM
Hey Lolo, ohhh, thanks for the overpaint! Clearly to see what you want and I also like this version!:) The volume light is a good idea, but I have already the strong dof-effect for the background, maybe it will wash out things too much...
And I still have this vague idea that the color white means mourning in the asian culture...but the contrast seems to be just right and I don't like the saturated brown version myself, now I'm totally unsure:scream: , here is a quick composite with some colorvariations to compare...

Hi Nathan, glad that you like the scene so far, thanks for the encouragement! :)

Heya, Stéph:) ! Yes, I know you're also more for a white robe, I should make a decision soon, before it becomes an endless story:rolleyes: ...and I'm testing some versions with volume light right now. Thanks for looking in!

Hi Annette, I like the dreamy look he has - as if you've managed to translate all those years spent tenderly caring for his plant - into one glanceoh, I love this comment, this was exactly the impression I want to show, thanks a lot:bounce: ! Still testing and tweaking, but hopefully a final version is near!

Hello Becca, thanks for rushing in here and I'm proud that you like my attempts:cool: ! I see your point, the upper part of the cloth really need more tweaking...I try to make the folds and creases more realistic...

Wish you all a great weekend!


05 May 2007, 11:40 AM
...definitively white for me... or very dark... black or almost... no blue or darkbrown...
...the paper light is a good addition, especially because we can see now more of the room, that give more depth... good point to open our vision...
...the decision is your now :thumbsup:

05 May 2007, 12:21 PM
Heya Sabie, nice to see these tests! :) I agree with Lolo, the white is working best compositionally since without it everything in the image is too close in tone. Looking forward to the final! :)

05 May 2007, 02:14 PM
HEY...Sabrina....Your right about the white being a color of mourning..:thumbsup:
I prefer BLACK SILK, with subtle reflexed light and color on it..that's just me though...:)
FANTASTIC JOB SO FAR...:bounce: :applause:

05 May 2007, 11:36 PM
I'm throwing in a vote for the black too. Sabrina, it's looking superb. This is turning into a beautiful, thoughtful image

05 May 2007, 06:27 AM
I like the top middle one best (beige?)
think it adds to the serene mood

05 May 2007, 09:07 AM
Good Morning!

Lolo, Becca, Mark, Glenn and Johan: Thanks for the "color-votes":) ! I've rendered some more variations, but finally I agree that it can only be black or white...and I'm more on the dark side here!
I also tried some colorful applications for the robe like Glenn suggested, but it doesn't work...So here is my preferred version, it still needs a little postwork, but this should be more or less the final...


05 May 2007, 12:17 PM
Woo, gorgeous! :applause:

05 May 2007, 12:27 PM
Fantastic! Looks wonderful!

05 May 2007, 12:30 PM
I think Rebecca has spoken for everyone here !!

:eek: :applause: :eek: :bounce::eek: :bowdown:

05 May 2007, 02:06 PM
Becca, Mark and Stéph : Thank you, glad that you like it!:)

I've put the final version to the gallery, it can be seen here ( , and thanks to all for the always helpful critic! :thumbsup:

I'm hopefully back soon with some time for new stuff...


05 May 2007, 02:51 PM
This is such a lovely piece :)

Glad you went with the darker robe - I think it goes really well with the whole setting. The white one (even though very nice - and don't want to tread on any toes that voted white ;) ) to me seemed more bathrobe style - so fluffy slippers would have been a must :D

I think you have brought it all together so beautifully - and watching it develop has been almost a journey in getting to know both the man and his tree... quite special! oh and not to mention seeing your skills:thumbsup:

cheers Sabrina - pat yourself on the back and looking forward to seeing your next work take form!

a. :)

05 May 2007, 08:51 AM
Morning Sabie...

no prob... that works perfectly now, the environment is really a good choice...

...I go to the gallery now :wise:

11 November 2007, 03:13 PM
It's a while ago since the last activity here, I've had no time to put my hands on something anatomy related during the last month, so I'm a little rusty...not to speak about my zBrush skills:scream: !
But I couldn't resist Magdalena's new workshop, and here are my first polys for a Colinet sculpture, actually I discovered a little late that the reference is an oil painting, so I'll have to guess a lot...this is the link ( to the reference

basemesh made in max, posing in zBrush

just added some rough clothes and stuff as subtools...


11 November 2007, 04:58 PM
Hi Sabrina!! Great work, but i think your model needed a face expressions.:applause:

11 November 2007, 07:38 AM
Good morniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing Sabrina...

Dear sabie,

it's genial and magnifik... I'm under her charm and charming by your realization... so perfect... so gracious...

...I have nothing to crit, just wondered by this creation... and sincerly... (really sincerly)... I prefer your model than the original painted statue... yours seem already alive :thumbsup:

I will be the last guy who learn one day Zbrush... congrats for this work...

For sure, I take a seat to follow the next addition... and texturing ? and environment ? a real composition maybe ? :scream:

Best continuation with this realization, I'm so happy to see you another time in 3d cession :wise:


11 November 2007, 09:22 AM
Hiya Sabrina,

long time no hear, it's good to see some activity here...


11 November 2007, 08:03 PM
Great anatomy so far! The pose is really good too, very delicate.

11 November 2007, 07:44 AM

Hey Dmitriy, oh, she needs much more than a facial expression I guess, at the moment it's just a wip and ready for some serious sculpting to give here more details...but good to hear that you like the start, thanks:) !

Morning Lolo, oh dear, to much praise for me:D ! Most work so far is done in max, I'm far from feeling comfortable with the new zBrush...And atm it's just a little learning project to come back to anatomy and characters. Great to have you around here again:love: !

Heya Gert! Yes, it's been a while and uncountable rendered interiors since the last personal project! Nice to see you here and I hope you're fine:wavey: !

Hey Nathan, I know your always severe with your critics, so I'm proud to hear this:wise: . Thanks for your visit!

I hope to show some updates next week...

Have all a nice weekend!


12 December 2007, 07:01 AM
You have some really wonderful work in this thread!


12 December 2007, 11:06 AM
A late Good Morning!

Gordon, thanks for looking in here and the kind words, much appreciated!:)

A little update, I haven't looked much at the reference, just want to look her "right" and give some shape, without losing her smooth look...


12 December 2007, 04:07 PM
Hehe, severe. ;-) watch the upper arm, especially the connection between the upper and lower. The back of the upperarm, tends to be more rounded at the base towards the elbow (that's where most of the muscles are). The shoulder of the lower arm should be lowered or dropped, to relax the arm a bit. Its seems tense still and I think it woud improve the pose a lot. There is a tendon that stands out that connects to the pinky side of the forearm. I think you might get some large skin compression folds in mid torso on the side with the raised arm.

12 December 2007, 11:14 PM
Hi Sabrina :buttrock: . I find your model lovely :love: and I'm very curious on how this work will develop. Looking forward to see the next update. Cheers

12 December 2007, 10:16 AM
Morning everyone!

Nathan - oh yes, back in severe mode:scream: ...but some of your points are good, thanks, I'll try to tweak and push here and there:) ...

Hi Alberto, this is nice to hear, thanks for your visit and I hope you'll also like the next updates:) !

little progress, I've started to work on hands, feet and clothes...


12 December 2007, 02:38 AM
Wow, nice skirt. From this point of view, it's hard to see the work you have done on the hands and feet. To my taste your model looks better than the original ;) . Waiting for the next update. :thumbsup:

12 December 2007, 01:49 PM
yep, doin vey fine

way too little time to engage in personal projects but very cool projects @ work

I see you're doin well in the field of character modeling, she looks very promising!


12 December 2007, 10:48 AM
Hey Alberto!
To my taste your model looks better than the original
Somehow I like to hear this:D , thanks! And you're right, I'll show some closeups of hands and feet when (or if at all) they are finished, it's all still wip, but here are some updates of here fancy dress...

Hi Gert,
good to hear, and you're a lucky man to have the cool projects at work:scream: !


Wish you all a good start in the week!


12 December 2007, 07:03 AM
...and a little more work from the weekend


12 December 2007, 07:31 AM
Hey Sabie!

Wow, just discovered your latest project here - she looks amazing! Very sweet, fragile and delicate. Wonderful work.
Nice looking bronze shader too - makes her details show up well.
And the hands are to die for... really good expression!

Wish you a good morning and a good start of the week :)

12 December 2007, 10:41 AM
Hey Gunie,

thanks for taking a look in here and I'm glad you like the dancer, especially the hands...they are not to die for:scream: , but I've always my problems with hands and struggled to get this time something acceptable...
I wanted to start another Colinet dancer for the workshop, but I'm late with my christmas preparations, so this has to wait. And how about your own anatomy thread, no time for personal projects? Would be nice to see some special Gunie stuff again here:) .
Wish you a great week too!:wavey:


12 December 2007, 11:41 AM
Hey Sabrina!!... really sweet model!!.. beautiful gesture, especially the hands!!:bounce:.. I am a bit worried about the right shoulder, though... looks to me like the clavicle is extending itself a bit too much into the shoulder.. and also, check the shape of the clavicle.. seems a bit too straight now.. will look more natural if you give it just the hint of a shallow "S" shape.

01 January 2008, 07:34 AM

Hope you all had a good start in the New Year!:)

Back from holidays I just discovered that my last saved file of the dancer is corrupt, so for the workshop this version has to be the final...don't know if I have the time and motivation to restart with the previous version.
But this was fun and I've already planned to make another Colinet-dancer, avoiding some of the mistakes I've made here...

Anand, thanks for your comment and the hint with the shoulder, of course you're right and I've tried to fix it as good as possible.

Have all a nice weekend!


01 January 2008, 03:40 AM
It turned out really well Sabrina. It looks great on the pedestal, and colinet2-2.jpg is a lovely look at the long stretch and smooth arc in the figure. Grats :)

01 January 2008, 11:03 PM
Wow Sabrina! Your dancer is just gorgeous :thumbsup:
Lovely sheen and texture, to me you have morphed the sense of bronze and skin
and the pose is lovely (she would have gone down great in the OFDW as a ref :) :) )

I popped in to wish you a happy new year!
Hope all good and well in the winterlands

a. :)

01 January 2008, 07:53 AM
Hi Sabrina! Happy New year
I like this dancer! Great start in this New yar!

01 January 2008, 10:50 AM


01 January 2008, 03:25 PM
i like ur first upload man kill man , u are impossible wht a work man it's not only sketch i try to make in 3d realy i love it, and 2nd preety lady with million of smile.

01 January 2008, 08:39 AM
Morning everyone:) !

and sorry for the late replies, too much work atm to even follow the news in the anatomy forum...

Kary, thanks for your visit and nice comment, you've done a good job also with your sculpture, hope to see you around in the next workshop!

Hey Annette, good to have you back around, I've just discovered that you're pretty busy in the new workshop! Thanks for the wishes and I hope you had also a good start in the new year! Glad to hear you like the dancer, I found it difficult to sculpt in pose, but it was a lot of fun to try something new for me...

Hi Dimitriy, a (very belated) Happy New Year for you too! Thanks for liking the dancer!

Heya Gert! New Year, new name:D ? And will we see a lot of new work from "CrackleWax"? Hope you started good in the new year and thanks for dropping by!

Hey Vikram! Thanks for your visit and the nice words, glad to hear that you like my work!

I'm desperatly trying to find some time and start a new character, this time some male anatomy with a lot of muscles and sinews, I think of a kind of african hunter...
and tried to sketch the idea with some first polys, but any update has to wait until I've finished my other stuff.

Have all a great start in the week!:wavey:


01 January 2008, 09:07 AM
Hi Sabrina :)

I like the start of this new one and look forward to your updates :)

I hope you don't mind, I checked out the ref link for your dancer, and can
only agree with jtico: your dancer is far more vibrant than the original - so...
If you think it's ok, I'd love to use your version for a drawing (ref your name ofcourse :) )
at some stage.

cheers and take care :)

a. :)

01 January 2008, 09:29 AM
Morning Sabie...

again, I can say character modeling is your world...

Only started, but this black man is already full of life... much appreciated :thumbsup:

Even if I continue to be under the charm of your dancing girl... I love what I can't do :love:

Have a nice week :wavey:

01 January 2008, 07:41 AM
Hi Annette, I'd love to use your version for a drawing I feel honored;) , of course you can use the dancer as a reference, I'm looking forward to see your interpretation!:bounce:

Morning Lolo,
again, I can say character modeling is your world ...ah, that's sweet and I wish I could believe it, I feel much more confident with interiors, and characters are a personal challenge, I'm struggling and need a lot of time for it, nothing comes easy or without thinking. Last year I spent all the spare time of 3 month with drawing human anatomy from bones to muscles and flesh...only to see that the progress is more on the technical side. I'm far away from catching poses and expressions the way I want and always fear that the result of all the work is a lifeless anatomy I'm glad you already see an expression in the black man:love: , I can asure you that I have a perfect image of a proud and powerful hunter in mind - now I only have to bring it in some polys...:scream:
I love what I can't do ...hmmm, I guess it's the same for me:D !

Have a great day!


01 January 2008, 11:45 AM
Hi Sabrina,

Yep, time for a name change, it took the last six months a good deal of time to split our company in two. The new situation should give me a better focus on 3D. And hopefully I can start posting something new in my gallery soon!

keep up the good work, I enjoy looking at your progress...



03 March 2008, 08:13 AM
Hi Sabrina :)

I was just thinking about your dancer - and how I still haven't had the
chance to do a drawing of her (looking forward to getting the time though :) ),
so i thought I'd pop in and say hello :wavey:
Hope things are going well -
and I'm looking forward to see where you take Zulu-man :)

take care

a. :)

03 March 2008, 10:58 AM
the dancer looks incredibly awesome :thumbsup:

04 April 2008, 06:09 AM
Hey Annette, thanks for popping in to say hello, everything is fine, I'm just fresh back at work from some extended Easter holidays:cool: - the black man is still in the rough wip stage, some problems with the mesh and the posing and I'm not really motivated to continue now...

well, I'll see what I'll do with him, perhaps start new:shrug:

Hi Nightwoodwolf, thanks for your nice comment, always very welcome:) !

Have all a nice day!


04 April 2008, 08:58 AM
Hi there

your dancer is really wonderful!
A pleasure for the eye, so to speak :)

I think Zbrush has allowed for artists to give a whole new dimension to the word sketching.
And I think it's a good thing!

07 July 2008, 06:51 AM
Hey Sabie, I'm glad to see IFX contacted you on my recommendation! :) Here's a link ( to the scanned article that just came out in the July 2008 issue.

07 July 2008, 08:00 AM
you're being published, cool!


08 August 2008, 02:04 PM
wow Sabrina Bott

long time not visiting your sketchbook

u r great as i know you from the beginning

best regards

08 August 2008, 09:38 AM
Morning everyone!

Hey, just back from holidays and I've missed something here!
Thanks Becca for the scanned article and of course for your recommendation;) . Nice reading and always great to see the workshops getting some well deserved attention outside the forum!
Hi Gert, oh yes, don't know why, but it's somehow exiting to see your own "screen-work" in some printed media:cool: ...
Hey Majid, nice to see you again here and thanks for your kind comment!

Thanks Johan, glad that you like the dancer! I wish I could really tap the full potential of zBrush, but I'm still much more comfortable with my "old" 3d software.
I'm so annoyed with the last attempt to make a character, that I'm looking for another workflow. I still have some free days, so I can start from scratch with a new character...I'll show something soon!


08 August 2008, 07:23 AM

Well, this is a rough new basemesh...completly ignoring all advices about a good basemesh for zBrush, but more in line with the muscleflow and with more control over it in max (hopefully;) ). I'm just beginning to fix some areas where I expect problems...


08 August 2008, 01:11 PM
So I've fixed some areas, put it to zBrush and started to smooth and define here and there, slightly changed proportions...also the first quick testrenders:blush: ...

Have all a nice day!


08 August 2008, 08:09 AM

I had a long night unwrapping the whole thing, a little refining of the torso, painting some very basic maps to let the shader least the displacement seems to work the way I wanted it...
here are some draft renders:


08 August 2008, 08:52 AM
Morning Sabie...

héhé... I know him !

All is very good, but I like especially his face already well done...

You feel well in your element ! even with draft renders :arteest:

Have a nice day... I'll try to stay here more time now... I hope :blush:

08 August 2008, 06:02 PM
Heh I know him too, thats a good impression to start with :).

The SSS is coming across just a touch waxy to me in certain areas right now. I expect that's a function of it being early days for the piece (as it looks spot on in others). I've been in a 600 to 4000 poly limit world for the last little bit and can't help but feel envious of your basemesh ;). It looks poly lush in the right spots, I would guess it'll deform like a dream.

On your workflow: Do you have a fairly flexible back and forth between ZB and Max then? I pretty much do all the high poly, and then low as a second stage. It seems easier to me that way (changes are easier to do on just the high etc), but that could be that the low feels very technique heavy to me so I need the weight of a nearly done sculpt to push it through ;)

08 August 2008, 10:18 PM
Russell Crowe made of wax!

08 August 2008, 03:21 AM
Yeah!! it is a good likeness. :thumbsup: good work on the shader too!!

08 August 2008, 05:39 AM
Hi Sabrina :)

There's something about your work which [in want for a better word] has
serenity written all over it. I open your thread and instantly go ahhhh :)
Nice! This guy really does seem familiar, I could be completely wrong - but
I do look forward to see him develop further, his facial expression is great :)

take care and hope all is well!
a. :)

09 September 2008, 06:49 PM
Hey Sabie :)

How great to see some of your work again , I miss your stuff reall much !
The ZB sculpts are totally awesome , so is your male character !

Anyway , just wanted to wave a little , and being inspired to start and post new things !

Cheers , can't wait for more


09 September 2008, 10:13 AM
A late Good Morning!

Thanks all for the feedback. I'm a little concerned about the 'likeness', this seems do be the result of an overdose of "rainy-holiday-evening-movies" with Russell Crowe, I was pretty much impressed and thought it would be fun to play around with just a similar character. I wouldn't dare to try a portrait...and of course it's a great resource for expressions, poses, different hairstyles and costumes (and a good excuse to watch more of his films:D ).

Morning Lolo, I couldn't be more surprised to see that my source of inspiration is soo obvious:hmm: ...but thanks for even liking the early stage. Always glad to have you here for a visit! I wasn't much around myself in the last months, to much work and to little time to make some personal stuff. But when I see the constant progress of your project this seems to be a lame excuse of course:blush: ...

Hey Kary, thanks for your comments! Yes, the shader needs more work, it's all very "wip" at the moment. And which workflow:D ? This is all about finding a workflow for me, I'm tired of struggling with all the technical stuff and just want to find a solution for all the typical problems now and forever (well, at least until the next update for either max or zBrush). So far I'm quite happy with the back and forth, I even succeeded to change the UVs when I cut the mesh to handle a higher polycount for each...and it's very comfortable to rig the lowpoly version in max and then adjust the pose in zBrush...So this is more playing around to find out what I can and can't do with a character if I hopefully ever find the time to built a complete scene.

Ah, Nathan, your always so nice to me:p ! Yep, I'll try to make it less waxy...

Thanks Anand! And I'm relieved to read nothing about my basemesh, so I hope I've just avoided some bad anatomical mistakes;) ...

Hello Annette, serenity? Ah, you've made my day, yesterday evening I've made some test renders and already thought that he begins to look a little, eh...stupid. Don't know, but after a while it's almost impossible to have an objective look for a face, so thanks for this nice comment!

Hey Steph, yep, it's been a while now without some new stuff, but you know how it is...I really hope that I can be more around now! So I'm waving back and of course I'm eager to see your new creations!:deal:

Here are some new renders, he looks a little unhealthy now...

Wish you all a nice day!


09 September 2008, 07:26 AM

Just a little more work on the shader and I've adjusted the forehead, the region above the eyebrows looked a little strange to me...


09 September 2008, 08:25 AM
Hello girl... finally, I prefer a little the previous version, even more bright... just a bit too wax...
Just need to find the good average.
The last is too grey for me, less constrasted and now, he appear toot flat :blush:

I dont't think he need much work to appear more healthy... he just need more "fur" :scream:
and more bright and deth in the eyes... and maybe lips more wet... no ?

Here's my 2 cents :buttrock: but please continue in this way... I don't know to make that :wise:

I wish you a good sunny day (it's a bit rainy here... almost sad)

09 September 2008, 05:20 AM
Morning Lolo!

You're certainly right about the last render, looks a little flat, but I guess this is more a matter of the lighting. And yes, eyes are always a critical point, I have to work on them and also a ton of other stuff.
You want him fury:D ? Well, here is an unshaved version especially for you - still bold, but learning how to make good hair is one of the points on my list, I hope I find some time for a fancy haircut on the weekend...

Have a nice day!:wavey:


09 September 2008, 07:24 AM
Yep yep... it's already better for me girl :thumbsup:

now this guy is more like me at the end of the day... huhu :banghead:

Sincerly... he comes alive like that...

I'm really impatient about this promised haircut... and how you'll manage that ;)
Nice week end for you Sabie...

09 September 2008, 12:56 PM
Hey there Sabrina

Just thought i would say wow. Keep it up.
I really take my hat off to you for putting in all the effort.:applause: (
It's doing justice, looking forward to the progress.

09 September 2008, 02:48 PM
I'll add to all the wows. Couldn't just step away without saying anything after seeing this. Looks very well. Maybe a little pale, but the environment/lighting might be causing this. I like yesterdays render. Improved a lot since first updates of this. I think you know what you're doing so I can only say keep going in that way!
Looking forward to seeing more of this :)

09 September 2008, 06:48 AM
Hey Sabrina. Your modelling is superb, and the shading is really coming along. Very good likeness. I really want to see this guy finished now!

09 September 2008, 07:33 AM
I agree that the eyes are taking some of the realism away as they are now. But as you mentioned, they need more work so I'm eager to see your progress!

The skin is just... amazing... I'm in awe :bowdown:

09 September 2008, 02:09 AM
Now he needs some blood! Subdermal layers need to be more orange.

09 September 2008, 08:02 AM
Morning all!

now this guy is more like me at the end of the day... huhu
Really:eek: ? So now I know why you think he looks healthy first impression when I saw the renderoutput was that this looks like "have had a bad night" or more like a week of bad nights...:D

Hi Jeffrey, thanks for having a look here and the nice comment! About the progress, well, at least there will be something to laugh when I start my hairtests...

Hello razz, I'm not completly sure what I'm doing:D , but thanks a lot...You're right with the light and environment, the shader is a bit too sensitive to all kind of changes at the moment...

Hey Sean, thanks for your nice words! I really want to see this guy finished now! Hehe, me too, but I'm afraid we'll need some patience before there is anything near to a "final"...;)

Hi Johan:wavey: , always nice to see you here and thanks for the praise...yep, the eyes are starting to annoy me, so far my subtle changes haven't made a difference...

Hello Nathan, the subdermal layer is already pretty bloody:wise: ...but you're right of course, he's still a little pale, I'll work on the settings...Thanks for your support!

So, I don't have much of the promised fancy haircut, actually not much of hairs at all, I guess I'll need much more practise to get something convincing!
This is the best I've got so far :hmm:

Wish you all a nice day!


09 September 2008, 08:29 AM
Hello Sabrina...

yep... for me it's already a very good result even if you don't seem really sure. Of course, the hair cut could be better... especially more practice... but with a little photoshoping, that could be more prefect ! and for the moment, his haircut seem similar than mine, well... nobody's perfect :D
The skin this time appear really better... I like much... and eyes... very very good... at this point... you could be proud of your work...
...just need a little of environment for the final picture :love:

Bravo Sabie... and a nice day for you of course...

09 September 2008, 08:34 AM
Morning Sabie !

Woaaa , it's freaking gorgeous , your modeling is spotless and the skin is damn convincing.
Hats off lady !

The hair looks pretty cool to me , do I see alpha plans ? If so , the texture sample works really well . Minor suggestion , maybe they are a bite wide , by reducing thickness they might cast less shadows. Although , by experience , I found more convincing to add some hair hint directly on the skin texture .

Anyway , it's already looking wow ! :)

Have a nice day Sabie , can't wait for more

cheers ,


09 September 2008, 02:16 PM
Wow, that guy looks so real it is almost freaky! Great stuff you have here. I found some amazing torso studies in earlier you still work in 2d too? It would be a shame if you didn't. Keep it up!

09 September 2008, 05:28 PM
Hey that's not too bad Sabrina, Nice effort.;)

I really enjoy seeing how you work through everything as you get through it.
Keep at it, in most cases in 3D now all you have to do is find out what works in the fine tuning.

Have a good one!

09 September 2008, 08:39 AM
Morning Lolo! So it's even your haircut? Maybe it's time to ask you for some life modeling sessions:cool: ...But I'm glad to hear that you like the skin and the eyes now, thanks! Final picture is far away though, I really want to take the opportunity and try some realistic clothes, and some bodyparts are still wip... the hands for example. I can not imagine so much scenes with a naked man wearing a hat and boxing gloves!:scream:

Morning Steph, oh, thanks for the praise! You see the hair and fur of max, I've tried alpha planes, but I was not happy with the result, much too view dependent for me...unless I make something wrong:shrug: ...Thanks for pointing out the shadows, they are way off, don't know why I haven't seen it! And yes, a texture solution may be a good thing especially for the hairline. The thickness of the hair was my attempt to make it fancy:blush: , with a lot of styling gel!

Hi Wes, thanks for your visit! you still work in 2d too? I always try to find some time for paper and pencil sketches, actually my favorite model is my nice Lara, just one year old now...but there haven't been much time for digital painting lately, perhaps the next 2d workshop:) ...

Hey Jeffrey, in most cases in 3D now all you have to do is find out what works in the fine tuning well, not sure, I think I'm about to master the technical aspects, but perhaps I'm just an awful hairdresser:banghead: ! Thanks for the nice comment!

New day, new haircut... I'm just glad that I never have to try this on a real model...without an undo button and a hairgrow function

Still a bad haircut, but I hope this looks a little more realistic...

Nice day for you all!


09 September 2008, 07:23 AM
Hello Sabie...

now, I don't now if I prefer this new version... even if that make for me more medieval :wise:

The previous version, without the strange "toupet" at the top, seem for me natural and more alive... less helmet :blush:

...but as you know, photoshop is always your friend, a bit of postwork is also possible at the end :arteest:

Have a nice day girl...

09 September 2008, 06:06 PM
sabrina u are amazing .. i'm sure i don't have to tell u that .. coz u know that .. :) haha...

well as i'm still having a problems in drawing hands i'm really glad that u joined me ..

cheers sabrina

09 September 2008, 06:30 PM
Hey Sabie :)

I kind of agree with Lolo's comment, the new haircut is great , but I think that I rather prefer the old version .... seems more natural and a little less artificial...

Anyway you're doing really great , and I can't wait for new stuff :)

cheers ,


09 September 2008, 06:17 AM

without the strange "toupet" at the top ...:D as I already said: I'm just an awful hairstylist!
I've learned to trust your eyes, so I'll go with something like the first style, but it's so much work and rendertime that I prefer to wait with the hairs until I have something more final. At least I've got the idea now and some rendersettings without crashing the scene...Thanks for the much needed feedback:) !

Hi Majid, thanks for the compliment:cool: ! And you can certainly see me struggling with hands when I come back with a final pose - some serious hand modeling is still waiting ...

Morning Steph, yep, I guess you're both right - though I think the hairsettings are better in the second version this looks really too artificial...Thanks for always taking the time to have a look here:wavey: !

Well, next stage of awful tests and learning basic stuff - so far I've never succeeded in making good clothes, as you can see here...

My struggling with clothfx are not very anatomy related, so I take some time and come back later with a bunch of outfits (hopefully!) and some poses to consider...atm he's very unhappy with his new Hawaii shirt:scream: am I!

Have all a nice day!


09 September 2008, 11:00 PM
well to be honest .. u need to try hard on the cloth..
..and adding details gonna make it much more realistic

at this moment i can point at this dvd ... which i think gonna be very helpful

cloth 101 fundementals .. "adding strong understanding to your clothing knowledge

" incase if u didn't saw it already " :)

post more please :)

cheers sabrina

09 September 2008, 04:46 AM
Hey Sabrina!! That last head render is awesome!! :thumbsup: You've got the skin looking really soft and translucent.. for hair, I prefer the previous one, though! :D

09 September 2008, 06:12 AM
Morning Sabrina...

about the new shirt... I don't have any comment... you have your own eyes and I'm sure you know what need more work :twisted: hahaha...
Just a joke as you imagine... I will waiting quietly the next step... I'm sure you learn very quickly how manage clothFX...

and if I can help :D :

09 September 2008, 07:33 AM
Hey Sabrina

Well i don't think the cloth looks too bad, but i would have to agree about the Hawaii colour
it's alittle outh there.

Else i'm well impressed. Keep at it. ;)

09 September 2008, 09:08 AM

Hey Majid, thanks for the tutorial link, I haven't seen it before, perhaps because it's Maya stuff, but as I understand it clothfx seem to be very similar in Max and Maya. Unfortunately this is only covering the basics. Though I'm usually not a friend of tuts about each and everything I'd really love to see a more advanced dvd about clothes, something like tayloring an Armani suit...animatable and good enough for close-ups:banghead: ...

Thanks Anand, great to hear that you like the skin! :)

Morning Lolo, oho:surprised , this picture hurts, is it a Tom Selleck body with a Russell Crow head??? But of course it helps, now I know what's missing: parrots! :scream:

Hi Jeffrey, you're too kind, the last render was more for fun:) ...thanks for your visit!

Actually I had not so much time to continue, so just to show that I'm still on it, here's a quick pose with shirt...(thanks Lemog for the fabric texture from your website, unfortunately I found nothing with parrots:wise: ...)


09 September 2008, 09:29 AM
Hello Sabie... nice to see the update...

about the parrot, I'm not sure :scream:

But I'm very proud of you with this shirt... with a perfect choice of fabrics :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
That make a Russel Select :thumbsup:

Sincerly, it's not all days that I see a good used of these fabrics textures (often it's scotish pattern... :eek: ) make my day !

Last point, about haircut... definitively, I continue to prefer the first version :wise: huhu...

Well... I give you some french kisses for the good work :blush:... and now, it's time for me to update my thread !
And a nice week-end for you...


09 September 2008, 09:49 AM
The hair looks indeed a bit nerd/gay-ish... why not make it a bit more messy?

Overall, with the shirt, it looks very realistic already though...
AWESOME! :bowdown:

09 September 2008, 10:02 AM
The hair looks indeed a bit nerd/gay-ish...
hmm hmmm... I have today a similar short... and I'm not like that :surprised huhuhu

Sabrina... finaly I've found the ultimate texture for him...


09 September 2008, 08:05 AM
Lolo, hehe, glad that you like my use of your textures...about the hair...the problem is that I'm still experimenting, I don't really like any of the hairdos so far.:shrug: ... finaly I've found the ultimate texture for him... I can't belive that you've made a "sabie_parrot_map_special", so sweet:love: ...Kisses for you! A shirt with this texture will take the look away from modeling flaws or ugly haircuts for sure:D ...

Hey Johan, The hair looks indeed a bit nerd/gay-ish :argh: uups, you can only blame my poor hair skills for that. He's in fact wearing his hair longer and also with some curles on the forehead...and the original looks not the least bit gay, believe me:D ...But I see your point, I had a reason to praise the painted hairstyle of your Joker-portrait, really liked it. I'm just stuborn in this case and want to have 3d hair, so I have to try harder...

Have all a nice weekend!


09 September 2008, 10:02 AM
wow. Skin and the face looks very belivable. Really good work. Looking forward to see that picture comming along.

09 September 2008, 02:17 PM
Wow, Sabie! This guy really rocks - I can't believe how good you've become on this realistic stuff, he looks really splendid. So, is it Russel Crow or Lolo that is your model for this? He looks a little like them both :)
And of course the parrot shirt will make him even more handsome.

I really have to come by more often from now on :thumbsup:

09 September 2008, 08:52 PM
He looks a little like them both :)
hahahaha... poor Russel :twisted:

In any case, it's a good thing to see Gunilla again here... with us... the dream team :scream:

09 September 2008, 05:12 AM
Hello Roman, nice to have you here for a visit and thanks a lot for your comment !

Gunie! It was about time to get some female support for this, with all the "hairdo and cloth"-thingy here:D ...He looks a little like them both Well, worse things can happen to a character...first inspiration came from some Russell Crowe DVDs, but I'm open for all influences:p ...

Lolo,In any case, it's a good thing to see Gunilla again here... with us... the dream team nothing to add to this!:bounce:

ok, here's the next try, I start to feel a little desperate about the hairs - perhaps I should try a scene with a hat:curious: ...


09 September 2008, 06:42 AM

I must agree with you... maybe you could try a hat... a parrot tropical hat :scream:

...oups... sorry... (I also like much peruvian hat... huhuhu)

Seriously, I continue to prefer the first version... I know, that was not the perfect haircut... but us... men... we're not perfect too :shrug: It's also our charm... not ? :p

But for this one, you can try to do hairs less smooth on each side of the head with some small hair which exceeds, that will make less bowl... and at final... it always remain the photoshop solution !

Nice hairy day for you :wavey:

09 September 2008, 07:19 AM
Morning dream team!

first inspiration came from some Russell Crowe DVDs, but I'm open for all influences:p .. .

Well - one can really get inspired from watching him. :)

This latest version I think is a bit Gladiator but not enough much to be typical for the style if you get what I mean. I think I prefer the earlier version only perhaps less combed.
If that fails you could get stunning result by using Lemogs parrot hat - a spot-on fashion recommendation... and who are we to question the french when it comes to fashion? :D

For the shirt I suggest a soft bluish grey or similar - that would bring even more life to the skin.

Nice Hair day from me too!

10 October 2008, 07:01 AM

Lolo, another parrot for me, you're so nice! :twisted:
The photoshop solution is not what I'm looking for, I want to try some other poses, so I need do be flexible...but thanks for the hints, maybe the next one is coming nearer...

Gunie, yep, I know what you mean...the Gladiator haircut is even more looking like a cap...
I'm not sure about the shirt, I like the color, but I want to make some other clothes, so I'll keep this in mind!:)

So, this is the last hair post (promised:blush: !) before I give it a break and continue with some body work...


10 October 2008, 08:58 AM
Hello Sabie, it's better for me, even if it remain a flat area on side head... maybe due te th light orientation... certainly nothing...

well... sincerly... this guy seem very good and very simpathetic now :thumbsup:

We're ready for next body cession :buttrock:

10 October 2008, 10:51 AM
hey Sabrina,

hehe yeah your right. Everything needs time. Although I have to say that I might have taken my mouth a bit to full. Work, the 50heads, the Pheonix DVDs and I would like to get a bit creative with my own stuff. Butt I guess I will concentrat on the 50 heads and the go back to the DVDs I hope I will learn a lot.

I like your heads very much I looked through your thread they look very much like the orignials you seem to have a good eye. You motivate me to do better with the next heads.

I can't say much to mr. Crow but I like the new haircut better :D

10 October 2008, 06:18 AM
Yep - the new hair works better, less bowllike.
What are you going to do with his body? Will he be in full figure?

10 October 2008, 08:48 AM
Wow Sabie , so much progress around here , and the result is amazing .

Very natural pose and impressive shirt. One thought if you got some time , would be to add some details on the cuff , maybe some buttons ...
Anyway nothing to crit for me at this time , just enjoying the work

Have a great week end Sabie



10 October 2008, 01:34 PM
Hey Sabie

Wow i will have to agree your progress is very impressive.
I must say that the last 2 hair do's are looking much better.
Why not try spike up the front? it works for me. ;)

The pose is great and much prefer the shirt now.

I know it's a bit late in the whole process but i think he looks a little
pale. it might help with the hair alittle.

10 October 2008, 03:02 PM
Sorry for the late reply, I had a lot of unexpected and urgent stuff to do first:banghead: ...

Lolo, the haircut is still to flat:eek: ? Well, I can try but I'm not sure if it makes things really better:D ...

Roman, thanks for the nice comment about the 50 heads...but I have to admit that it is not the "good eye" only, for the first bunch of heads I used a grid to get the proportions right and I needed several attempts for some of them. The training really makes a lot, so I'm sure you'll make good progress with your heads too:) !

Hey Gunie, I've planned to make a closeup and indeed a scene with the full the moment there is a low poly body for the cloth simulations and a full modeled torso with arms and hands. I hope to find some time to continue soon:shrug: ...

Hey Steph, glad that you like the pose, thanks...yep, the shirt will have more details if I ever deceide about a final the moment nothing is collapsed, so I can easily change the pose and run a new simulation for the clothes.

Jeffrey, I'm relieved that you see a progress with the haircuts:D , thanks! And I admit that I have a bad habit of making slightly desaturated renders, so I will have an eye on it, thanks for the hint!

I've just started to give him a lower body and some pants, nothing to show yet...but I've made some light tests and here is the latest close up...

10 October 2008, 09:47 AM
Hey Sabrina. very beautiful thread. 3D n 2D both are amazing. But Digital portraits got some extra weight.

10 October 2008, 11:22 AM
Just Waouw Sabie... this time, that make really natural for me... I like that much... even if hairs appear a bit more smoothie than the face, but it's minor...

Sincerly, this guy is know very cool :thumbsup:

Good continuation for the next parts... and nice day for you ;)

10 October 2008, 07:12 AM

Hi Kasana, nice to have you here for a visit and thanks for your comment! Yes, I'm really fascinated with faces, but I guess I should also practise some other body parts, I force myself to make some hands and feet in the next days...;) !

Morning Lolo, ha, I made a little dance around the desk when I read this, finally a haircut you like:D , thanks! And you're right, it's to blurred, it was just a quick composition...

So here is a first render of the clothed body, it was not easy for me to find something like a relaxed standing pose, not sure if this works...and I've so much trouble with the hands that I decided to continue with some sketching and hand modeling before I finish this character...

Have all a great day!


10 October 2008, 07:41 AM
Hi Sabrina

and WOW
great job on those clothes!
the buttons on the shirt are an excellent guidy for the viewers eye.

About the pose... I'm not sure if he is leaning against the wall or not?
I would certainly give it a try to pull his upper body a bit more backwards, so he is resting against the wall with his shoulders.... think you will have to experiment a bit with it.

Other than that, I think his right hand is a bit distracting because it is so bright.
He does have a pale skin in general but I think his hands could be a bit warmer colored..

looking more awesome with each update!
Can't wait to see your next one :D

10 October 2008, 07:51 AM
Moning Sabrina...

héhé... so good to totally see him... maybe the pose could be more cool... as James Dean attitude, a feet on the wall... :D

Well... seriously... superb work on this guy... but don't not why... something disturb me a little... not easy tosay what...

I drop it in photoshop... and that appear quickly more clear for me... his head is a bit too large... you can see this animated gif to compare...

Maybe I make an error... it's just my advice... ;)

I wish you a nice day :wavey:

10 October 2008, 08:14 AM
Hi Lolo,

uups, yes, now that I see it compared...I'm not sure what happend, it's measured accurately and though I'm not going with the "heroic 8 heads" proportion it should be okay:shrug: ...but is obviously not:D .
I'll fix this, thanks for pointing, I'm already a kind of blind for this character, time to let him rest for a while.

Nice day for you too!


10 October 2008, 05:11 PM
Hey Johan, sorry, I've completly missed your post:blush: ...
Thanks for your help with the pose, I think it looks so undecided as I was with it, playing a little around to get something more convincing. And you're definitely right with the hands, they are still not textured and way to bright, I'll fix this...

Meanwhile I've checked the proportions, they seem to be okay, but I had some really odd camera settings, so I guess it was a perspective and disortion problem...just a quick render here, hope it looks better now...


10 October 2008, 12:41 PM
Holy crap Sabrina
Looks like loads of work here. When I saw the portrait I thought it was a reference photo. :D The only thing I see is maybe the trousers and shirt miss some more radical wrinkles, other than that amazing.

Cheerio Chris

11 November 2008, 09:03 AM

Now I'm even late with my reply here:rolleyes: ...

Thanks Chris for your nice comment and I think you're right about the wrinkles for the cloth, maybe it looks a little less stiff then. I keep this in mind when I continue with this guy, atm I give this a break...I'm thinking about entering the new challenge:hmm: ...

And now for a change some quick feline you can see I feel really rusty with painting:curious: ...

I had fun with the last one, still working on it, but I'm not sure if I find the patience to really paint all the fur...

Have all a nice day!


11 November 2008, 09:24 AM
Morning Sabie...

effectively... the last one is already very good... like much this one... his glance is great...
I don't think you're so rusty... maybe the first is less good... maybe due to a scale a bit too small ? not ?

I don't saw the topic of the new challenge... I must go :curious: huhu

11 November 2008, 09:26 AM
ooooh!! that's a sweet little kitty!!

11 November 2008, 11:05 AM
Hey wow lovely cats
Pehaps you should just push the fur a bit further in the last one.
If you use a hard edged custom brush with multiple dots (so you don't have to paint each hair) on top of the current fur, which is a bit blurry at the moment, and play with the layer modes and/or opacity perhaps. Do this several times towards the tips of the hairs so you end up with blurry origine of the hairs but sharper towards the tip of the hairs, I think you will have an awesome effect.

You did this perfect on the hairs inside the ears

Really great to see you painting again Sabrina!

11 November 2008, 06:58 AM

Thanks Lolo, catching the "expression" was the main goal, and yes, the first ones are really sketchy...I don't saw the topic of the new challenge... I must go huhu Well, it's totally YOUR topic, isn't it!:wise:

Hey Anand, thank you, I'll give the compliments to Marvin, my avatar-cat:D

Hi Johan, thanks and yep, still working on the last one...I thought I'll experiment a little with the brushes to get a nice effect, but it seems there's only one good way to paint fur, actually painting hair for hair:curious: ...Anyways, this has to wait for a while, I just entered the new challenge...

Wish you all a great day!


11 November 2008, 10:13 AM
Hi Sabrina,

Nice work with the model - amazing details on his face!

Marvin is a beautiful kitty! I like the angle of the last one and you've done the Marvin's eyes real well. Fur is a challenge - I tried lots of fur tutorials ages ago when I tried to draw my cat (which I never finished), and most of the best ones involved drawing a lot of the fur hair by hair. But most did start off with multiple dot brushes or blocked colours and smearing, and then tweaked the results by placing individual darker and lighter hairs on top.

Good luck with the challenge!

11 November 2008, 09:59 PM
Hi Sabrina

how are u ? i hope u are ok

i stoped by to say hello m8 :)


12 December 2008, 06:27 AM
Hi there Sabie :)

Oh what a thrill to see the development of Russel Crowe! I think you're getting
closer and closer :) There's something about his eyes - but I'm guessing you're not
at the finishing stages of his eyes just yet? You've definitely got his mouth and chin :)

funny reading comments a little further back - was threatening to go in direction of Dr Seuss
"Go Dog Go" & the line 'Do you like my hat.....?' :D

Lovely cats as well :)

a. :)

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