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05 May 2006, 01:23 AM
Hi, I decided to make an anatomy thread so Ill post any work i do in here. Unforunatley i wont be able to get many traditional things in here because its kinda a hassle to scan them in, but im sure i can load up some of my best/most recent stuff.
right now I am trying to learn 2d digital, painting, and color so sorry because the 2d digital stuff isnt very good. Pretty much everything is made in zbrush cept some of the 2d stuff is made in the corel demo.
arg.. so bad:D corel
kneaded eraser and me phone
A bit better...
love me some frogs
hand that i am working on now
i have very little experience with painting(only those 4) so any advice would be greatly appreciated, Ill also be able to do alot more work once school is over.
05 May 2006, 01:47 AM
Hi there argonaut,
It's fantastic to see your Anatomy Thread go up, and I am pleased to see another 3D'er on board here. :) As well, it's great to see you have an interest in 2D which is of course my stronger area of interest and experience.
As you know we have lots of people on the boards more qualified to answer application specific questions, but I am happy to help you with basic Anatomy as are I'm sure our other members. :)
Some links that I hope will be of use to you regarding drawing / painting digitally:
My Skull Shading Tutorial using Photoshop:
The short version:
TUTORIAL SUMMARY - Anatomy Review 003 Shading Tutorial - Tutorial Material Only (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=351832)
The long version:
REBECCA KIMMEL'S Anatomy Review 003: SHADING TUTORIAL AND HUMAN SKULL EXERCISE (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=259291)
Steven Stahlberg's Black and White to Color Painting Tutorial:
JEALOUSY STEP-BY-STEP (http://www.androidblues.com/JealousyStepbystep/jealousystep.html)
Linda Bergkvist's Tutorial on Smooth Blending:
Just some thoughts on smooth blending (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=253711)
Color Theory and The Human Figure - NUDITY (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=303793)
For inspiration see:
SPOTLIGHT: Best of Anatomy Review 003: Shading Tutorial and Human Skull Exercise (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=349444)
I think the best way to start learning digital painting is by diving in and trying the Skull Shading Tutorial using either Photoshop, Painter, or whatever digital painting program with which you are familiar.
It would help me to know what your comfort level is with Photoshop.
Since you are a high school student, it would help me to know if you are planning to apply to an art college or university. Please be advised that many if not most / all art schools, even ones that are geared toward multimedia, require Traditional Portfolios and may not take kindly to digital work, regardless of it's quality.It is up to you to research the schools which you are interested in and to find out what their Portfolio requirements are, and gear your Portfolio towards those requirements. I highly recommend talking to your school counselor and / or counselors for the various schools in which you are interested.
05 May 2006, 09:24 PM
Wow, thanks for all the links. One thing that I still cant figure out is how to get a reference image loaded in, other then making a large canvas and plopping my reference next to where I will be painting, I was wondering if you knew the answer to this or where I might find the answer.
As for comfort level, I would say unomfortable,:rolleyes: Zbrush is the only program that I feel comfortable in right now.
I guess my plan is kinda to attend an art college and then focus in more on 3d at some school were they teach it. Hopefully landing a job in games or movies. Unfortunately i do not have anyone to talk about colleges with at school until I am a junior and given a college advisor(right now I am a lowly freshman :) ) Right now I am focusing more on traditional work then 3d because there is really a correlation between my drawing skills and sculpting/modeling skills, and I need to nail the fundementals because it greatly helps everything else(not to mention its tons o fun:)
gonna get started on that skull painting right now.
05 May 2006, 12:12 AM
here it is so far, i just ended up printing out a copy of the reference
arg my stupid scanner wont work right:banghead:
05 May 2006, 02:43 AM
Fantastic stuff! I wish I was that good in high school. I was more into 2d but I started 3d than. Nowhere near as complex of models though. I like the lizard and head a lot.
06 June 2006, 08:49 PM
Thanks alot womball! I wish you luck at your school.
I am focusing mainly on traditional stuff right now, doing the excercies outline in the book The Natural Way to Draw by Nicolaides. The book has me doing lots of gesture and contour drawings right now. Im sure I can post at least one thing a day that I do traditionally. This isnt my most recent work but just my most recent "more finished" drawing, to give you guys an indication of my current skill level. I will definatley try to post a few things each day from my studies with the book from here on out.
06 June 2006, 10:25 PM
What I'd really love to see you do are very careful head studies ~ preferably self portraits or other portraits from life. Sketch the details lightly at first. Post that here for review before seriously shading so I can review it for you.
A question: do you have college counselors? I feel it's really important to talk to schools ahead of time to determine what it is that they are looking for in a Portfolio. Please bear in mind that many schools are looking for Traditional portfolios only, so it's in your best interest to beef up your Traditional skillset, as you are beginning to do. :)
Why not try a self portrait, or a portrait of a family member? Remember not to start shading until we've looked at your linework. :)
06 June 2006, 02:49 AM
somehow I always manage to look very unfriendly in my self portraits :D Is there any specific medium you think I should use for this? Made it larger, I switched from photobucket to imagecave because it was giving me some problems uploading larger images.
06 June 2006, 05:35 AM
Feel free to post an image up to 800 pixels wide (72 dpi) ~ once you post a larger version (which I actually prefer) I'll critique your piece for shading. :)
06 June 2006, 06:37 PM
here is something else I am working on a bit
06 June 2006, 06:48 PM
Thanks for the larger post, that makes a paintover much easier. :) Good start here ~ I think the main things to watch are the axes of the major features of the face ~ brow, eyes, nose, lips, ear, chin. I've adjusted the nostril a bit and the shape of the back of the skull. As you know from modeling, you always want to think of the skull shape before the hair. Study ears. Fill sketchbook pages of studies of different features ~ eyes, noses, lips, ears, etc. ~ and then come back to this piece and reevaluate, perhaps even redraw it.
Hope this helps:
06 June 2006, 02:33 AM
Thanks alot for the review:thumbsup: I definatley see what you mean about the ear, and the placement of the forms. I took your advice and did a few feature drawings inbetween studying for finals. I think each one was an improvment from the last, so that feels good. geez that flashing gif is mesmerizing!:D
Oh yeah, we do have college advisors, but I won't get one untill I am a junior(2 years from now) but I have been thinking about what I want to do after high school.
06 June 2006, 01:27 AM
The eye studies are really good. The lips could use some work at the corners. Lips are deceptively complex. there is a raised area at the edge of the lips which is often missed. Also there usually is a depressed area at the upper lips. You might want to try drawing both male and female lips. I'm not sure how much different they are but I think there is a difference.
06 June 2006, 04:01 AM
It's good to see these kinds of studies. :) Really focus on the ear studies:
See a good ear diagram here: http://www.bartleby.com/107/illus904.html
Also, I don't know if I've asked you this, but do you have any good anatomy books? I think it's advisable to have a selection. :)
Check out this link for several book recommendations:
Anatomy Resources : BOOKS (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=257424)
Looking forward to seeing more studies!
06 June 2006, 01:43 AM
Womball: Thanks, I really appreciate you posting here. The first lips are of a baby and the other one are female lips.
Rebeccak: I did manage to get figure drawing for all its worth off the internet, I also have the natural way to draw, but that isnt really an anatomy book. I planning on getting some of those master draftsman books as they look good for copying from. Do you have any recommendations as far as anatomical recource books go? I was thinking about the artistic anatomy book by paul richer but alot of people said it did not have enough female anatomy references. I managed to squeeze in a few more drawings, I don't have alot of time, but after tommorow I will be free!:)
Pencil on sketch paper
charcoal on cheaper than newsprint paper
i am really proud of this one cept his right arm is a bit goofy^ charcoal pencil on sketch paper
06 June 2006, 02:39 AM
Really good to see these studies! I particularly like the study of the ear, and your last piece shows a lot of good elements ~ the shading in particular, with the soft interior shading as contrasted with the more firm exterior line, is working quite nicely. :)
I think the proportions are a bit off with this one, however, and I hope this review helps to show how you might think of the initial construction of the figure:
As regards Anatomy Books, I recommend:
"Artistic Anatomy" (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0823002977/002-3325844-7329607?v=glance&n=283155&s=books&v=glance), by Dr. Paul Richer - Watson Guptill, publisher
Great Reference, highly recommended.
"Dynamic Anatomy" (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0823015521/002-3325844-7329607?v=glance&n=283155&s=books&v=glance), by Burne Hogarth - Watson Guptill, publisher
I don't think that you should draw in his style, but he breaks down form in the clearest way possible.
Anatomy for the Artist (Hardcover) (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/078948045X/sr=8-2/qid=1149647792/ref=pd_bbs_2/102-5070899-5230558?%5Fencoding=UTF8) by Sarah Simblet, John Davis
This books contains beautiful photographs, more so than it does Anatomical instruction. It does contain a few overlays of skeletal drawings etc., but it is worth the money for the excellent professional quality photographs of highly muscled models (both male and female).
06 June 2006, 02:43 PM
Cool, thanks for the reccomendations and the review. I think my biggest problem is getting all the proportions, relationships and angles completley right in the begining. I should probably rough out all the relationships lightly before going in and drawing the contours. I am going to pick up/order those books as soon as I can.
This is the link to the original drawing by raphael.
06 June 2006, 01:13 AM
This drawing and anatomy study is really improving my 3d work. I did alot of quick gesture drawings also, to improve my proportions and such, I'll post some of them tommorrow if I can.
06 June 2006, 10:38 AM
Like your studies and thread so far...nice job...:thumbsup:
On the last Z BRUSH face....watch that boney ridge that runs fom the back edge of the cheek bone along the side of the face....lines up with the center of the ear...right now you have it ending up at the top of the ear....does not leave room for the side temple area, the way it is now.....Also you might want to give a little more dental arch or muscle under the nose...right now, it seems as though he is missing his upper teeth...has a sunk in look above upper lip...like a person gets when they remove their dentures....not sure if that was your intent, but thought it worth mentioning....:)
Looking forward to seeing more of your works....:thumbsup:
06 June 2006, 12:44 AM
Thanks for the observations and encouragement spiritdreamer:bounce: I really admire your artwork, especially your use of color.
Maybe this looks a little better
Doing alot of drawing too, but cant post everything just a few samples
The proportions are all out of wack on these contour drawings but that isnt the purpose of the exercises
doing hundreds of gesture drawings
this one is sideways, woopa!
just messing around with a permanent marker.
06 June 2006, 12:48 AM
Hey there, :) I think that if you could get your hands on a few Vilppu videos, these would be really helpful in terms of your traditional drawing.
Check out his website here:
06 June 2006, 10:11 PM
oy, those videos look good but I dont think I will be able to get any for a while, as I just got some anatomy books which just came today. Artistic anatomy, dynamic anatomy, anatomy for the artist, and a few master draughtsmen books. I really appreciate the help you have given me:scream:
here are some drawings, I think ill be able to post more drawings now as I found a way for the scanning process to go alot quicker. I am going to be doing alot of study from those books whenever I can.
06 June 2006, 10:14 PM
06 June 2006, 02:09 AM
LOL, I do tend to oversaturate folks with book and DVD recommendations :D but it's great to hear you have received such a fantastic selection! :)
These studies are looking great, and I can't wait to see more! I think you might try pencil (a soft pencil, like 4B or 6B) instead of the charcoal, as the charcoal can be quite messy as you've discovered, and you are also not really able to get the level of detail which you might want in a drawing.
Looking forward to seeing much more work! :thumbsup:
06 June 2006, 10:49 AM
Much better on that Z BRUSH face....starting to feel the bone structure under that skin and muscle..:thumbsup: :applause:
You might want to experiment with a SUMI BRUSH and some BLACK INDIA INK or BLACK WATERCOLOR for
doing small ACTION gestures....you can capture the whole action with just a couple of quick brushstrokes...can do hundreds of them real quick....will give you a sense of wieght, volume,
and action...all with just a couple of strokes of the brush...GREAT FUN, and also a GREAT way to learn.
Keep posting...really looking forward to seeing more of your work...:thumbsup:
06 June 2006, 03:50 PM
yea these books are really great, dont worry about it, it just shows that you are enthusiastic about helping people learn:buttrock: I do like charcoal, but I agree, It would be better to use pencil as I can get more detail, I think charcoal is better for larger drawings,(something I need to do more of)
india ink sounds really cool, but I am not sure how happy my parents would be about having it in my room, but I could always go outside, maybe observe some people, cept my town is quite free of those kind of things... :scream:
more drawings, some better, some worse
06 June 2006, 11:11 PM
Nice studies here! Lol about the india ink, I totally understand. :) Keep up with these studies, and keep posting! :thumbsup:
07 July 2006, 12:06 AM
sorry, i have been forgetting to post:rolleyes: ill make up for it now(hopefully)
thanks for the continued encouragement rebbecca:thumbsup:
07 July 2006, 01:20 AM
07 July 2006, 01:32 AM
go http://usera.imagecave.com/argonaut/Sketchbook/ for a gallery
07 July 2006, 03:48 PM
here are some more drawings i did yesterday, I just found out about this anatomy series thing and I am going to try and complete all 50 heads, so far i have 5.
I spent longer on this drawing, but mainly I tried to be much more thoughful and careful while drawing, comparing relationships and such. Most of the time I feel that I dont do that enough. I am quite happy with how it turned out.
07 July 2006, 05:07 PM
Wow, a lot of new work! :thumbsup: I'm thrilled to see you doing these traditional pieces, I think that they are doing you a world of good. The master studies, figure studies, etc. are great to see ~ are you doing these purely on your own? Great initiative here, looking forward to seeing much more work from you. :)
07 July 2006, 08:23 PM
yep its all my work if thats what you mean, I feel like im really improving:) I am going to be able to complete all 50 heads if i continue my pace, the challenge is really helping me.
I figured this would be a good opportunity to experiment with different mediums and techinques, trying to develop my style.
crosshatching with hard pencil
medium charcoal stick
observing how skull effects head shape
bottom one is a charcoal pencil
some things i am going to try is to remove the hard edges outlining interior forms, which tend to make them look bad and leaving more areas white, which i did in some of these drawings.
07 July 2006, 08:26 PM
more.. couldnt fit these ones
this one looks quite cartoony
now i have 20
07 July 2006, 10:53 PM
Great to see your new work! :) I think a great supplement to your Portraits studies would be this book:
Drawing the Human Head (Paperback)by Burne Hogarth (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0823013766/sr=8-3/qid=1153176692/ref=pd_bbs_3/002-5875491-5408023?ie=UTF8)
Really some excellent breakdowns of the basic structure of the head, which I think would help you in both 2D and 3D tremendously. :) While I don't think that people should draw like him, I think that he's the best in terms of breaking form down in formal and consistent terms.
08 August 2006, 04:22 PM
I need to get better at posting stuff, from now on im going to scan in my drawings every night so i dont have huge posts of 50+ images(also i went away for a few weeks where i didnt draw at all, and wasnt home to post anything.
Hi do you think the book contains much information not covered in dynamic anatomy?
well i finished the 50 heads a while ago but here they are
08 August 2006, 04:31 PM
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08 August 2006, 04:46 PM
http://usera.imagecave.com/argonaut/Sketchbook/app00035.jpgfinished my 2nd sketchbook now onto a new one.:) Do you think I could make a new thread scince this one is kinda a mess, or should I just continue to post in here?
08 August 2006, 09:42 PM
Hey, it's good that you're doing those copys, they are really helpful :). By the way that frog at the beginning looks great O:
I think you should stay with this sketchthread, that way you'll see your improvement.
08 August 2006, 10:46 PM
Thanks Talaria, your right, I think I will just stick with this thread. Frogs are cool animals:scream:
whee new sketchbook
08 August 2006, 10:51 PM
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09 September 2006, 01:36 PM
here are some more, i have been doing some more master copys and am learning alot from them.
^this was an orignal drawing in wax pencil, the master copys have really taught me alot and I am really happy with the results.
09 September 2006, 03:22 PM
Tremendous progress here...particularly with these latest master copies, I think you are really learning to see in a much more in depth way. You can carry that over into your own drawings and I really encourage you to continue to do as many master copies as possible.
This one in particular I find really impressive:
And this carries a lot of emotion:
Keep working hard, your improvement is really showing.
09 September 2006, 03:23 PM
Hi....Argonaut....:thumbsup: ......Great to see so many studies....can see the progress happening...:applause:
You might want to buy a small plastic skelaton at an art store..joke shop, or wherever, to use as refference as you do these studies,...so you can actually see how the bones are working under the skin in these different poses...creating joint shapes...wrist , ankle, knee ect.
This will give you a better understanding , and clearer vision of what is actually taking place under the skin, to creat the shapes you are rendering.....JUST A THOUGHT....:)
REALLY looking forward to seeing more of these studies....:thumbsup:
09 September 2006, 03:23 PM
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