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05-23-2006, 03:03 PM
Hello all! I read out the FAQ and noticed Rebeccak wants us all to start an anatomy thread. So I decided maybe it might help ;)

I want to show you my (well nearly) daily doodles, which mostly include anatomy studies :) I am painting in photoshop with a wacom tablet (forgot the name, the cheapest I could find ;) I have to buy myself a new one ... *remembers*)

I hope you can enjoy my progress, well ... ENJOY ! :)

Edit: Images starting at page 11

05-23-2006, 03:28 PM
Woot nekkid girls!! :D

Sweet pictures Trunks! :thumbsup: I like this one the most ('cause of wider value range than in the others).

05-23-2006, 07:30 PM
Haha nice reason :) That's what I wanted to hear ;) Thanks man ! :)

05-23-2006, 07:49 PM

Welcome aboard! Thanks for helping me out by creating your Anatomy Thread. ;) :D

Hey, one thing that would really help is if you scaled your images down to 800 pixels wide or less. This prevents people from having to scroll. :)

Be back in a bit with some comments.

Cheers, :)


05-25-2006, 10:44 PM

A bit of a delayed review, but I hope this helps: :)


The main thing that I would encourage you to do are Master Copies. This is a useful thread in that regard:

Master Copy Resources (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=354836)

Check it out when you have the chance. I think the main benefit of doing such studies is that it shows you have previous artists have solved problems, and allows you to see how they draw and construct the figure. I look forward to seeing more of your work. :)



05-26-2006, 01:55 PM
Thank you Rebeccak! Everything helps :)

Today I donwnloaded a test version of painter. This are some doodles I got after 20minutes or so. Can somebody tell me if there are some shortcuts like in photoshop to change from rubber to pencil? Or to change the size of the pencil? I think this would help me to paint faster :) Thanks!


And here is some older sketch, I uploaded this for the "post your best sketchbookpage" thread. This is the page I like the most :)


05-26-2006, 03:11 PM
Hi Trunks, these are some nice digital sketches you have here, I particularly like the top one of the lady in yellow, that would make a fabulous pin-up girl should you ever want to refine it more. I admire your verve for doing it daily, too. Keep it up!

05-26-2006, 05:07 PM

You're welcome! :)

To switch quickly / easily between tools, you can create a custom palette. Do a search for the term 'custom palette' in the Help files and it will explain how to do this, it's quite easy. Also, to change your brush size, use the shortcuts, [ for smaller brush, and ] for larger brush. In PS, Shift + [ makes the brush softer, and Shift + ] makes the brush harder.

It's good to see these Anatomy Sketches, and I hope to see more!

There is a great Master Copy Resource here:

Drawings of Leonardo DaVinci (http://www.visi.com/%7Ereuteler/leonardo.html)
http://www.visi.com/~reuteler/leonardo.html (http://www.visi.com/%7Ereuteler/leonardo.html)

Definitely check it out, it would be great to see some copies! :)



05-27-2006, 03:10 PM
Zephyri: Thanks! Maybe one day I'll refine her, I don't know yet! I am trying my best to update it daily. Best way to improve I hope.

Rebeccak: Thanks, I will try some more studies with painter later. Now it is time to eat cake. Can I use 8 in painter or MUST I use [ ? I don't see the difference ^^
I am not sure if I want to do master copys of THIS Leonardo sketches. Because I don't like them very much... but I bought a new bock today with some (hopefully) good anatomy images. I am going to do studies of this book and all the others I have here, too

Here are some of my yesterday and today sketches (I have no scanner so they will be fotos everytime):
Trying to get some poses (did never really work):


Thigh (ignore the right one):


A monster (I saw something similar a while ago and could not get this out of my head) with an anatomically wrong arm:
And now I am going to eat cake and than go back to paint some more stuff. Maybe there will be a second update later.
Enjoy !

05-27-2006, 06:00 PM
Hi Trunks,

It's great to see you do traditional studies, that's the best way to learn the figure, imo. :)

Here is a review of one of your sketches, hope it helps:


Cheers, :)


05-27-2006, 07:10 PM
Thanks Rebeccak!

I think this helps, the problem was every pose on this page seemed to go the wrong way ... I wanted crossed legs but they always looked like everything else ...

05-27-2006, 09:21 PM

No problem! Drawing the figure is difficult, and takes time and lots of practice to learn. Looking forward to seeing more of your drawings! :)



05-28-2006, 06:26 PM
I think I did only useless things today ... I started a project for my art lessons in school. We should show motion (well that's the worst translation I could have given, better: to step, to perambulata or to cross [NOTE: I don't know what I am talking here I just translated the german words to english words ;)]). We must do this with 4 Images which must be dinA3 sized. My original idea was to show luck, pain, death and rebirth (sounds really simple, heh?). All 4 images must be the same scene but we have to move the camera angel and so on ... My character is standing on a battlefield (you see this in image 2) and dies there. Image 1 shows him smiling because he is watching a butterfly, lucky moment ;) Than the camera zooms out and shows the battlefield with monsters (maybe) and you can see the character is hurt. Then the camera zooms out and you can see the character dieing and the last image shows the character as an angel flying to heaven.

If somebody knows anything what I have to attend for printing my image (like the size on the computer is not the printed size or whatever. PLEASE TELL ME :) Maybe it helps ;) The father of a friend of mine works at the newspaper he can print my images in every size and for no sale *happy*

This is what I got today (not much :( I started with a sketch of myself through a mirror) The shoulders will change I think ;) I am open for every comment now ;) :

Why did I painted it in grey? Yesterday (or was it the day before yesterday?) I did some test of a function in photoshop. I painted the image totally b/w. I nearly did a 1:1 copy of a foto because I needed good results ;). Than used the function (well I only know the german name so here is a description) you get when you hit ctrl+B. With this function I colored the image, check out:

black & white image (http://trunks.dasprids.de/sketch/scrabbel05_3.jpg)
colored version (http://trunks.dasprids.de/sketch/scrabbel05_4.jpg)

But know I am thinking of coloring the image again directly and not the way I did the girl... because it is dinA3 and will look better :)

Tomorrow I'll post some more concept sketches of the other 3 images (I hope at least one ;))

05-28-2006, 06:30 PM

Hi there, I'm not at home so won't post in depth til later, but to respond to your print size question, you want your image to be 300 dpi (dots per inch) ~ not 72 dpi, which is screen (monitor) resolution. You also have to make sure your size in inches is set to the size at which you want to print. You don't want to resize from 72 to 300 dpi as you will lose resolution (your image will become blurry). Ideally you want to start out at 300 dpi and the proper size in inches when working digitally, or scan your work at 300 dpi if working traditionally and scanning your work.

Hope this helps ~ feel free to ask any questions if you need to. :)



05-28-2006, 06:37 PM
Thanks Rebeccak! I did this image in 300dpi and the right size. So it seems like I made no big mistake. I normally do all my works with 300dpi, because you never know when you need to print it ;)

05-28-2006, 08:41 PM
Before I go to sleep I did some rough sketches of the poses in image 2 and 3. I used reference for the horses. On image 3 I could only find a horse who wants to jump so I have to refine the pose. Image 3 needs also a guy to kill my character, so this image needs a lot of work ;) But I hope to get some good ideas of the pose :) Here they are:



05-28-2006, 09:11 PM
Hey Trunks! (love the username ;)) You have some great studies! The last two look great! :)

05-29-2006, 02:51 AM

I should ask if you are in college or high school (it is impossible for me to tell this about anyone on the forum) :) as I must advise all high school students to do as much traditional work as possible, since that is what college art schools look for in a portfolio.

Cheers, :)


05-29-2006, 12:27 PM
enialadam: Thanks! :)


I should ask if you are in college or high school (it is impossible for me to tell this about anyone on the forum) :) as I must advise all high school students to do as much traditional work as possible, since that is what college art schools look for in a portfolio.

Cheers, :)


Sorry but I don't really understand this part. I live in germany, what the hell is a college or a high school? I know the names but nothing more ... in germany I am at a "Gymnasium" and when I want to study art (which I hope to ;)) I have to go to university. So I am a little confused now ;) At the university the guys are looking for pencil sketches. They are not looking for other traditionel art they just want to see pencil sketches. I am starting my "portofolio" (if you can give it this name) after this project so I hope I can get a place at the university :)

Also I wanted to do some digital art for this project because everybody wants me to do this ;) Maybe my teacher will be a little angry I don't know ^^

05-29-2006, 03:29 PM
Sorry but I don't really understand this part. I live in germany, what the hell is a college or a high school? I know the names but nothing more ... in germany I am at a "Gymnasium" and when I want to study art (which I hope to ;)) I have to go to university.
LOL well gymnasium roughly equates to high school, and university = college. ;)

At the university the guys are looking for pencil sketches. They are not looking for other traditionel art they just want to see pencil sketches. I am starting my "portofolio" (if you can give it this name) after this project so I hope I can get a place at the university :)
That is what I am interested in knowing. I would encourage you to meet the entrance / portfolio requirements and work in pencil if that is what they want to see. :)

Also I wanted to do some digital art for this project because everybody wants me to do this ;) Maybe my teacher will be a little angry I don't know ^^
Just make sure to meet your university entrance requirements ~ that is my main concern. :)



05-29-2006, 04:42 PM
Just make sure to meet your university entrance requirements ~ that is my main concern.

Well ok than I think you have to tell me this every day (lol). I will do this but not this week and not this project because we HAVE TO make a colored image and not some pencil images. I have informed what the guys at the university want to see and we can discuss this while I make some of this images. But you have to wait till next week ;) I am also doing some sculptures because my art teacher at present wants this of us ... but I can't show you a picture because they are all in school.

So I am sketching with pencils every day in school when I am bored. My notice books are no notice books they all are sketchbooks ;)

A "portofolio" for university has to include around 20 images. You also have to put some series in it. Not just 1 picture for alone but maybe 3-4 to the same topic. You should show your interrests. (basic information)

Now it is time for some updates I did till today:
Image 1 (still the same) I have to move his body more to the left so the camera can turn around the scene very well (look at image 2,3 and 4):

Image 2 (background added):

Image 3 (added the "killers" - I will correct the right one! He is crazy)

Sketched down the poses for image 4(the angel is "rebirth":


I am open for every C&C, ENJOY!

05-29-2006, 07:49 PM
Before going to bed I want to show you my last updates, just small ones.

I added the background to every image (but still creating it in image 2)! Also I did image 1 again, with a better pose now, for me. And I tried to fiy the guy in image 3, well I think I have still to work on him even if I like it a little bit more now :)

Image 1:

Image 2:

Image 3:

Image 4:

05-30-2006, 04:46 PM
Hello there!
Today my new anatomy book arrived so I started studying of it ;) The authors name is "Saran Simblet" and there are a lot of fotos of "John Davis". This is a great book to study from :)

This is an old piece, I found it today and liked it ;) So i uploaded it to add it here...

This are my studies from today (did it after the book, except the wing ;)) did this for Rebbecak to get my university portfolio ;):

05-31-2006, 07:53 PM
Hi all! Sorry I had really no time to do some anatomy studies today and I think I will also have less time the next days. I am concentrating on my art projekt for school because I want a good mark ;) Also I had a lot of stress today so I nearly found no time to work on thie project.

I decided to start a WIP thread because I don't want to fill this thread to much with non-anatomy things. For all of you who are (at least a little) interested on how the series goes on please check out the thread:


Everybody else, please check out the thread, too :) Every helping hand would be nice ;) *somelittleadvert* ;)

I hope to see you all there and I hope I can upload some new anatomy study(hopefully one) tomorrow ;)

05-31-2006, 08:40 PM
Hi Trunks, I agree with Rebecca about the traditional work. I recently applyed to an Art College to study Illustration. I didn't get in, it broke my heart. They said that it wasn't because I wasn't good enough but because there weren't enough places. 200 people applyed for the course, they were only accepting 45.

Anyways to my point, I don't think I had enough traditional work in there, i had prints of my digital paintings but I seriously let myself down. I'm now going to spend another year at a local school to study a Foundation in Art & Design, even though I was terribly upset about not getting into Art College, I'm greatful to have this year to really work on my drawing skills.

I like this last study very much :)

05-31-2006, 10:28 PM
Hello trunks, I like the work you have done here.

A tip perhaps should be, try to study more the inner structure, I mean the skeleton, in animation drawing, the first thing you do is the skeleton that will support everything else, thats all, good work overall:thumbsup:

06-02-2006, 11:52 AM
I wanted to post this in here yesterday but cgtalk was offline, not really offline but you were not allowed to post anything.

einaladam: I think at the university's here 10people apply for every place at the university, I don't know if I get one. I am doing my best.
I will not put any painted image in my portfolio. There will only be images with a pencil. I know they don't want to see prints of digital images or paintings.

DigitalSol: Thanks! I am going to do some more skeleton studies! Sounds like a good tip. Normally when I paint a pose I am sketching down how the bones lie, so I try to imagine how everything must look like.

As I said before I am a little stressed these days. But I have something new for you, nothing painted but sculptured ;) This is work I did in school while the art lessons:

My first attempt with this material, screaming face:




My second attempt, just a face:



06-02-2006, 11:54 AM
And here is something which might be interresting for all of you who wants to see in which direction my university qualification portfolio is going. Some artist problem, when you have the earth object, a quad (4 ist the number standing for everything wordly - a quad has 4 corner), how to come to a circle. Some attempts on this problem:

Sculpture (I think I will do this 3 with another material):

And all 3 together to show process (very interresting for me, every order has got it's own meaning http://conceptart.org/forums/images/ca_smilies/normal/anj_smiley.gif):

Enjoy !

06-03-2006, 05:13 PM

I think the biggest thing that I would recommend doing is Master Copies to become familiar with facial / head proportions etc. and to just practice drawing in pencil / pen. Master Copies require a lot of discipline but are worth it in the end. Take a look at Erich's Anatomy Thread, where he completed around 100 master copies in a short space of time:

Anatomy Thread of Erich Schreiner (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297560%20)

Cheers, :)


06-03-2006, 09:18 PM
:) Hi ...Trunks...... I like your imagination....:thumbsup:
You might want to invest in a good plastic...life sized skull...can buy them at art stores..I
bought mine at a joke shop years ago....they are great for seeing the skull from different angles
and for studying proportions...plus it is always easier to remember an objects shape, when you can touch and feel it's curves and all of it's in's and out's....just get's imbedded in your mind
that way...works even better when you close your eyes and use your imagination, and explore it's surfaces.
Kind of the same way a blind person can remember details, from touch memory, that a sighted person overlooks.
Trust me, that plastic skull will be one of the best investments you will ever make, when it comes to your art.....along with a lot of master copies...studies from life...sculptures..ect.
Enjoyed your thread....keep posting....looking forward to seeing your progress...:thumbsup:


06-17-2006, 07:03 PM
Hi everybody! Sorry for no new response the last weeks! I was a little stressed with so many things. Also the soccer world cup started and we have a party every day. I am becoming poor. So today is the next party there is nearly no time for art. But I enjoy this time the tournament is here very much! Everybody loves everybody if you have the german colors somewhere on your body.

Rebeccak: You are right, as always. I will do some master copies the next time, I have finished all other projects and also no new stress with school, after the next week we have holidays.

SpiritDreamer: Thanks a lot! This sounds interresting. I am thinking a long time now of a plastik skull. But my purse is very empty these days. I hope you can now enjoy my thread again.

Here is something we have to do in school, we should paint leaders and stairs because they stand for liberation (?) and something more I forgot. Oh yeah and a little anatomy, I also added a sketch of my hand, well wait wrong movie... that's not my hand, not today ;) Maybe in 100 years.

Something more to say... we got marks in school, I am not really happy. Not in general but I think I might get better marks, this is what everybody else says, too (but this does not help ;) ). My teacher also took a look through my complete sketchbook. He told me I should spend some 5-10 minutes more on every sketch I do to get them a little more finished. He also told me I should do MORE and MORE and MORE sketches. I am a little confused on this because I did more than everybody else ^^ He said he is going to exert pressure on me (?) so I will have a hell of sketches paintings and so on when we get marks the next time (mostly it's two times every 3 - 4 months, which means we get marks every 2 months) because he wants me to get the best mark. I am really anxious what he is going to do now :)


06-22-2006, 06:18 PM

Hi there, I think your teacher is just pushing you to do better work. It doesn't matter if you did more work than others in the class, he wants you to do your personal best. Outside of a classroom setting, how you did relative to others really doesn't matter. It only matters how you did relative to yourself and within the larger context of your art education. :)



06-28-2006, 01:44 PM
Hello everybody!
I am now finally back again! Schools out, holidays!!! Now I am finally going to spend more time on my portfolio! I really want this place at university!!!

Today I have not really interresting images for you ... I do not even like them very much. But I think they represent some other dark side of myself ;) The first image was done in school... I painted as quick as possible because all the persons were moving... I think you can see this ;) This is a topic I am trying to keep at... "figures in room/space" (for germans: Körper im Raum). My teacher and I decided this might be a good topic to put into the portfolio! Not this image but maybe some one I do in the future (hopefully).

The second images are some animal studies .. well nothing special ... just animals...

The last 2 images are done for the Daily sketch group here on cgtalk. The title says everything, I hope :) I personally want to learn how to work with light and shadow better because I noticed how great a good light fall can look. So I am trying to improve on lighting and shading at the moment.

Sorry for not this much anatomy these days but more everything else... I hope nobody will be angry (don't know) but you help me to improve.

I nearly forgot...

Rebeccak: Thanks for stopping by ;) I think you are right but if you would have been (wow right gramma here?) in class and if you would have heared him talking you would also be REALLY confused ... it's hard to explain it in english because you can't translate it 1:1 . Anyway I will simply do more and better work so he has no other chance like he said himself.

Enjoy !

(lion, zebra, hunting-leopard)
"The blind warrior"

06-29-2006, 03:34 PM
My digicam got damaged... I don't know what happened but I can not turn it on. So I can not post my latest pencil studies ... well the only thing I can show you is a little "coloring" of a sketch I posted yesterday:


06-29-2006, 04:48 PM

Really sorry to hear about your camera, I suppose you will have to do digital pieces in order to post them here. :)

I hope you will be able to participate in the 50 portraits thread, it would be great practice, and I think a lot of fun as well! :)



07-01-2006, 09:58 PM
Rebeccak: I planed to do some of the head studies even if I am completely sure I don't can finish 50 heads. It is too hot to work on a pc the day and I don't want to paint the whole night and sleep the nice day ;)

Yesterday germany won against argentinia so I was drunken nearly the whole day and did not really worked on my images. The only thing I did was developing the concept of a robotic spieder which I sketched on paper like a year ago ^^ Check it out if you are interrested:

Also I am working on my new homepage which will be very nice. A lot cooler than my actual one (don't look on it if you did not till now! :D). I think the homepage can come online tomorrow. The design is completly finished, a fried of mine is writing the html (and other) codes. He said he will finish it tomorrow. So I hope he does :D

I am trying to do some anatomy studies this night (maybe some fast sketches or so the next hour). I hope I can present you some more than my new homepage tomorrow.

I also have to find somebody with a scanner or so to scan my latest pencil studies ... well a lot stuff to do for me :)

07-04-2006, 12:37 AM
Hello everybody!
Today I have something new to show you *jumps around*. But before this something more to say. At the moment I am keeping very much at the DSG (Daily sketch group) because in my view I can improve my feeling for the colors and light there very well. Anyway I'll keep up posting here. The DSG does not take all my time I just wanted to mention what I am practicing most at the moment to improve my skills ;)


Deep blue

New York! New York!

Not DSG: Spider robot concept:

Finally, some piece for everyone (30minutes, no reference):

07-04-2006, 09:02 AM

You're welcome to post your links as images ;) ~ I think this one is the most successful:


The others I am finding are a little flat. Keep pushing yourself, one recommendation is to use the HSB (Hue, Saturation, Brightness) Slider when doing color pieces to select a range of tints and shades of a particular hue:


To better understand Color Terms, see this thread:

Color Theory and The Human Figure - NUDITY (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=303793)

Cheers, :)


07-04-2006, 11:47 AM
Thanks Rebeccak, I will try the HSB Slider. I never got really into color theorie ... for me this is always like chinese or some other language nobody in my surounding speaks ;)

Can you explain better what you mean with flat?
I used the auto contrast function of photoshop, would you say it is a little less flat now? As you see, I don't really understand this word ;) Maybe... can you tell me where I have to put my attention the most? (I mean for colors in generall not at this image). I don't always understand english tutorials so a little overview would be nice :) Thanks ;)

I'll definately keep at the colors ;) This seems to be the theme I have the most no idea at the moment (wow hope someone understands this).

07-05-2006, 12:22 AM
Today's practice ... hope you like it more Rebeccak? Or is this also to flat? ^^



07-07-2006, 12:37 AM
I had some time to sketch a little more the last days... so I want to show you my latest work:

For DSG:

The dark:

The rise and fall of the purple:

And after reading the new altantis matte painting challange, I doodled my idea... I am not planning in competing but I had fun drawing this:

Hope you like them... enjoy!

07-08-2006, 01:34 AM
Well... it seems like I am using this thread more like a sketchbook than an anatomy sketchbook ... I hope nobody is angry right now ... if so ... sorry ;)

A friend of mine who has got a scanner will come back from holiday next week so I hope I can scan my pencil work than and post it here... so long ...

Todays work:

07-10-2006, 11:22 PM
Ok it seems like I have a little bigger update today: We repaired our digicam and this is what I photographed so far ... I concentrated on shoulders - arms ;)



This is a blurry photo of a face I did a while ago... on sharp images you will se NOTHING because the paper was written by myself with a lot of crap (as you can see a little). So this blurry image shows you the most of the sketch. Totally without reference ... tried to make some undead head:

For my studies with colors please check out the following thread:
Trunks's way to get realistic colors (sketchbook like - daily updates) (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=378951)

I am going to post my (mostly) daily paintings there. I don't want to fill this thread too much with non anatomy stuff so for everybody who is interrested and wants to help - hope to see you there!

I also wanted to add this potrait to this thread again. I removed it from page 1 because the size was to big. Now I reuploeaded it small. This is my endless potrait which I began centuries ago and will finish maybe in the next 10000years ... I don't know ^^

More to come soon ...

07-11-2006, 05:29 PM
Ok here are more anatomy studies ... sorry for quality :/


And a digital soccer player:

07-11-2006, 06:45 PM
I did a rough rendering of the player :) Hope you like it!



07-14-2006, 07:31 PM
Today I attempt on some new techniques ... did not worked as I hoped ;)

coal and chalk
If you ignore all white lines it looks not this much bad:

07-15-2006, 04:55 PM
Even if it seems like it is impossible to get ANY comment these days if you are not doing some head studies ... I'LL KEEP ON POSTING *lol* ;)

So here is my todays stuff ... I played a little more with coal ... ok this looks a little crazy ... anyway ...

07-15-2006, 05:07 PM
Hiya Trunks,

It's great to see your Anatomy studies! :) I'd like to comment on stuff more thoroughly when I get home and am able to use PS again. ;)

Cheers, :)


07-15-2006, 08:12 PM
I wrote this into the head study thread ... well I don't really know what to add ;)

I wanted to do some stuff for this thread nearly the whole month ... I always knew I would neve do the 50 studies but maybe a few ... so I started today ... but after 10minutes I got totally bored and called it "done". I have to work on some motivation problems ... anyway here you have the image ... my problem was... my right hemisphere was taking over...


07-16-2006, 12:55 AM
Hey there, Trunks :)

You're going well with your anatomy studies. Good job on the arm and half torso.

Even if it seems like it is impossible to get ANY comment these days if you are not doing some head studies ... I'LL KEEP ON POSTING *lol*
Believe it or not, I was in the middle of replying to this thread, when I read backwards and saw this! :)

Your first head looks very good to me, and for only 10 minutes' work, it's incredible. :)

07-17-2006, 01:14 AM
Hey there, Trunks

You're going well with your anatomy studies. Good job on the arm and half torso.

Believe it or not, I was in the middle of replying to this thread, when I read backwards and saw this!

Your first head looks very good to me, and for only 10 minutes' work, it's incredible.

Thanks a lot YMS! This is really hard to believe ... I think I read this now for the 2812738th time :) But did you notice your reply was AFTER I posted the head study? (I would love to put there a smiley with a crown, because I was right ;) ) Anyway thanks! Today I wanted to do another head study .... guess how it ended ... I went into my garden to read some interresting book ... after starring on my monitor for ... 5minutes I think... anyway there will be tomorrow for a new attempt. I hope you like my new stuff ;)

Rebeccak: Thanks, I am looking forward to the tons of your suggestions, crits and whatever ;)

Allright todays studies ... I started with a warm up ... coal stuff:

After this I did some more studies on the arm ... maybe I can put my attention on full arm - shoulder sketches soon. After this I will concentrate more on the torso ... maybe then the legs ... this could be the direction my studies are going ... don't know ... every day is a new day of sketching.

Hope you like it!


P.S.: Yesterday I read a great quote of a friend of mine. I tried to translate it into english, maybe someone likes it as much as I like it :)
"Quitter never win. Winner never quit!" (OK maybe not correct english gramma ... but hope you get it)
For all germans or who understand german:"Aufgaber gewinnen nie. Gewinner geben nie auf!"

07-17-2006, 03:46 AM
But did you notice your reply was AFTER I posted the head study?
Well, Trunks :)
I must have spotted your head first in the 50 heads thread...:)

Keep going with your anatomy sketches - I've haven't done any in so long that it will be like beginning over with them.
Yes, we say, plural, "Quitters never win and winners never quit" so you got the grammer correct.

07-17-2006, 06:38 PM

I don't feel very qualified to comment on the DSG sketches, but I do think it's best to do studies from photos / life / etc. when learning how to paint / draw vs. from the imagination, as you have something with which to compare your work. :) Otherwise, it's hard to tell what is right and what is wrong. ;)

Really liking the Anatomy studies a lot! I think you're doing a great job of showing the muscles and your line quality seems to be becoming more confident and assured. No real crits at this point regarding the Anatomy studies, I think the main thing is to keep at them and to also do traditional Portraits / Figure Drawings. Keep up the good work! :)



07-18-2006, 11:04 PM
YMS: Thanks, now I can put it in my signature or something elsewhere :D Anatomy studies seem to be very important for me to improve at the moment. So I'll keep on doing them :)

Rebeccak: Thanks! I am mostly doing what I am motivated for, I can not say "ok tomorrow I'll go and do well maybe feet. Than I wake up and I am absolute lazy because I said I have to do the feet but I don't want to do it anymore. What I want to say is... I'll try to do some studies from photos / life / etc. when I find motivation and time :)

I am planing to work on the anatomy studies more and more because I want to understand everything better :D So I hope you like the new stuff I am going to post as you liked the old studies :)

Todays studies:
My coal stuff for warm up ... doing this always without reference to see what I can remember well and what I have to concentrate a little more on.

Before doing more heads and potraits I wanted to work out the neck: Had some problems with proportoins at the bottom left ...

07-19-2006, 05:24 AM
OPB Trunks: I am mostly doing what I am motivated for, I can not say "ok tomorrow I'll go and do well maybe feet. Than I wake up and I am absolute lazy because I said I have to do the feet but I don't want to do it anymore. What I want to say is... I'll try to do some studies from photos / life / etc. when I find motivation and time :)

I am planing to work on the anatomy studies more and more because I want to understand everything better :D So I hope you like the new stuff I am going to post as you liked the old studies :)
Trunks, I totally understand. :) Workshops like the 50 Portraits Thread keep me in line and motivate me as much as anyone else. :D Learning is organic, and the beauty of forums is that you are free to explore and learn things at your own pace without the worry of being graded as you are in a classroom setting ~ I find that very freeing. :)

BTW, I could see your image links earlier today, but now no longer can. Did you take those down? :)



07-19-2006, 10:23 PM
BTW, I could see your image links earlier today, but now no longer can. Did you take those down? :)

What? No I took nothing down. Everything should be available as always! Maybe the server had a little problem, no idea why you can not see them.

I understand what you mean, but sometimes I think for me it is better to sit in the classroom ... see other people working on some problems and I am sketching some stuff. The feeling in a classroom is totally different and I think for myself it is even better to know there is always somebody watching behind your shoulder. I think my creativity comes and goes very fast ... for example it is hard for me to concentrate on images for longer than 1 hour. I simply can't sit there for a long period of time. Also I often sit there paint and then begin to disslike the image. Mostly because after 10 minutes I got bored on the look and the idea. I think this is the main thing I have to learn also if I want to work somewhere with my art (hopefully I will). I don't know if you know this also. If somebody has some good ideas what I can do please tell me :) There could be the possibility it helps ^^
Ok I got phoned and forgot what else I wanted to write so I'll leave it till next time... maybe I'll remember ;)

Todays studies, enjoy!:
As always... beginning with coal:

Sorry for bad quality on this one, took me long time to finish this sudy:

Tried another attempt on the heads ... well as always I could not finish this one... sorry ... but I forced myself to work on it for 45 minutes ... new rekord ^^ Don't know the number of this one ...

07-20-2006, 07:28 PM
Todays studies, enjoy!

My warmup today started totally different ... I got some markers and tried them a little bit :

Sorry for quality on this one ... looks really better in sketchbook:



07-20-2006, 08:36 PM
Hey, man! Thanks for the visit.
I really like the studies I saw in your thread and I think you're really patient. I can't do these studies, because I get frustrated and end up not finishing them. LOL. Keep studying and pay attention to the forms of the figures... I think that doing a basic contruction is always a good step to avoid anatomical mistakes. You should do it 'virtually' when you're used to it.

07-21-2006, 01:15 AM
Hey, man! Thanks for the visit.
I really like the studies I saw in your thread and I think you're really patient. I can't do these studies, because I get frustrated and end up not finishing them. LOL. Keep studying and pay attention to the forms of the figures... I think that doing a basic contruction is always a good step to avoid anatomical mistakes. You should do it 'virtually' when you're used to it.

No problem, I'll come back to your thread if I see it updated ;)

I don't think I am really patient. Maybe a little more patient then you but less then the most :) Or at leat I feel like this :D

Of course I'll keep on studying :) I am going over to the forms of complete figures later ... first I want to finish the muscles a little more ... torso and legs are still missing the most. Maybe in a week or so I'll start on full figures again ;)

Thanks for advices ;)

07-21-2006, 05:39 AM

Ack, the same problem ~ I could see your images earlier today, but now no longer can. :sad: What I saw was really impressive, would love to take a closer look! Looked as though you had some beautiful anatomy studies, hope your server is back online soon. :)



07-21-2006, 11:31 AM

Ack, the same problem ~ I could see your images earlier today, but now no longer can. :sad: What I saw was really impressive, would love to take a closer look! Looked as though you had some beautiful anatomy studies, hope your server is back online soon. :)



Well now I see what you mean! I have no idea what is going on there ... I contacted my friend, he is the owner of this server. I hope he can fix the problems ... maybe the server will be online later. Don't know what happenede there :( If he can't fix it I think I will upload the latest images on another server!

07-22-2006, 07:44 PM
Ok server problems should be fixed now ... the images should be available now the whole day!

Ok now some today stuff:
I did some more strokes on this paper...

neck ...

07-25-2006, 06:31 AM
Trunks! I still can't see your images. :shrug: Can you try another image host, such as imageshack?

Cheers, :)


07-25-2006, 11:59 AM
Ok I uploaded the last sketches on imageshack... hope it works now. I don't know why you can't see my images :( It should al work normal :(

I don't know till where you know my images and so ... check them out ;)


Digi stuff:

I'll come back with some new images soon ... have to do some work these days. Enjoy :)

07-27-2006, 02:36 PM
I had a little time to draw some new study ... hope you like it and I hope someone can SEE it ;) Sorry I have a little less time and can't reply to all the other sketchbooks... enjoy!


If you cannot see any image try this link:

07-27-2006, 05:15 PM

You're doing some great anatomy studies here! :thumbsup: Thanks for posting the alternate links, although ironically enough, I can see your images without problems today. :)

Keep up the good work! :)



07-28-2006, 03:00 PM
Hi... back again...

Rebeccak: Thanks! I'll keep on posting alternative links for some time now ... please tell me if you cannot see the images again. I hope there will be no more problem and I can stop posting alternative links ;)

I hope I can reply to all the other sketchbooks threads of you guys tonight.

Today I had time for some more little studies, don't know why but did some eyes:


Alternative link if you cannot see the image:

07-31-2006, 07:45 AM
heya trunks,

I think you have got a nice set of anatomical studies which are the strongest part of your work, in my opinion. This last set of eyes is especially well done!


I'd say do more of these and if you just doodle then mind your values. I don't know if that has been explained already, but on one of the earlier pages you were asking what exactly people mean by flat.
Most of the times this does not necessarily refer to depth cues in the image (like perspective, blukrring of distant parts and so on), but rather to the fact that an image maybe uses many colors but only a small range of values.

the hues and the saturation you use do not determine the form you describe with an image. Only the values do that. This is the brightness/shade part of a colour. If you paint in greyscale where there's no hue or saturation but only value (0%-100% brightness) you only make use of the value part of colour and practise seeing and describing form and essential lighting, too.

So, if you doodle, mabye doodle in greyscale only to practise your value range. The two architectural sketches (with the markers?) made use of that - I liked them!

Keep it coming...:thumbsup:

P.S.: I am not doin the 50 heads neither. Screw it! errr... dont tell RebeccaK...she is always around somewhere....lurking....http://home.thirdage.com/Games/johelian/susp.gif

08-02-2006, 11:41 PM
Hey Trunks

you did some great studies, I'm liking the neck and shoulder one the best.The face/skull is good but something may be off a little bit not sure what, no biggie. :)

keep up the good work!


Ps. no problem with your images comeing up for me

08-04-2006, 04:42 PM
Sorry for not updating anything ... I got very ill and lied in my bed the last week.

Mu: First of all, thanks ;) Mein Mund ist geschlossen, Rebeccak wird von mir nie erfahren dass du nichtmehr in dem 50Heads workshop mitmachst ;)
I'll try to doolde in greyscale... but I could not understand what you were talking of when you said "values" I always had problems with this word... maybe you can tell me the german word? Thanks ;)
The architecture was made with markers yes ;)

FateBringer: Thanks for stopping by ;) PLEASE WATCH THE IMAGE AGAIN AND THINK OF IT WHAT MIGHT BE WRONG WITH IT? I can'T see it myself but you noticed it so you have to tell me ;)

Today's stuff:

Alternative Link:

08-04-2006, 07:29 PM
Hi trunks

Mit value meine ich die Helligkeitswerte einer Farbe.

In einem HSV basierenden ColorPicker wäre das der V slider. In einem RGB ColorPicker hieße das, dass alle drei slider nach unten/oben geregelt werden müssten.

In einem Graustufenbild musst Du dir über Farbton und Sättigung keine Gedanken machen. Ist ja alles grau...:D
Das Einzige was bleibt ist der Helligkeitswert der Graustufen. 100% wäre weiß, 0% schwarz.

Dieser Wert einer jeden Farbe oder, bei Graustufen, des Graus, macht die Form eines Gegenstands aus. Der Farbton verleiht Temperatur, Emotion und ähnliches. Aber der Helligkeitswert entscheidet über die Form.

Wenn nun also von "flat" die Rede ist, ist der Bereich der Helligkeitswerte nicht breit genug angelegt. Vielleicht spielt sich alles um die 40-50% ab. In einem Bild sollte aber der dunkelste Teil Lichtseite immer noch heller sein als der hellste Teil der Schattenseite. Das verleiht Plastizität, Kontrast und eindrucksvolles Licht.

Übung: Nur Graustufenbilder malen, ohne auf Farbton und Sättigung achten zu müssen. Dann wirst Du lernen, Licht und Form zu beherrschen.



08-05-2006, 12:12 AM

nice work on that last one :)

umm the face/skull, on going back, it would be the eyes/sockets are a bit to far apart


08-05-2006, 05:27 PM
Hi everybody :)

Mu: Danke! Jepp alles angekommen! Werde auf jedenfall einige graustufen Bilder machen verlass dich drauf!

Fatebringer: Thanks! On this new skull I think it handled it better ... but now the mouth part looks very bad ;)

Today's work:

Alternative links:

08-06-2006, 09:45 PM
Another day ... another update :D

Here everybody can see my main problem when I am sketching ... I am starting a sketch which turns out so big that the paper is too small... originally I wanted to show the complete torso ...

Color practice:

Alternative links:

08-06-2006, 10:08 PM
Work on your line some. To keep the drawings small so that they fit on the page do a block-in of you major forms, representing them in terms of basic shapes.

Keep going!

- d.

08-08-2006, 05:41 PM
demented: thanks! I am going to try this but this also never worked very well for me ...

I had like no time yesterday and today so just this useless update ... very bad study attempt ;)


08-17-2006, 07:35 PM
Hi everybody!
Sorry I have no time to answer to all of your threads now, but I'll do this later! I have managed it to get some new furniture for my room ... now my working conditions are much better ;)

Here is some new stuff to show...
The heads are done today after school ... I tried to improve with sketching heads because I never tried this ... I think you can see where I started and where I ended ;) The paper is DINA3 sized ... enjoy!


08-20-2006, 07:03 PM
Quick update because I have less time as always ^^

I tried to work more on my heads....
After this paper I decided to go back to the basics because my heads were wrong ... don't really know why ... so maybe basics help.

08-20-2006, 07:37 PM
Hey Trunks

good to see your studies.
About the basics... try cutting 2 small slices off the sides of the sphere. It's what Fatebringer saw is wrong with the face/skull study: the cranium being too round at the sides.
Check out some top views of a skull and you'll see what I mean.

Also, to avoid drawing faces that are too long:
The horizontal line on the cross of the sphere is where the eyebrow line is located.
From the center of the cross, going down the same distance as the from that point to the hairline will give you the nose length. Going downward twice this distance will give you the chin edge.
That's loomis for ya ;)

hope this helps


08-21-2006, 10:37 PM
This one is really good.
nice job!:thumbsup:

08-22-2006, 07:21 PM
rblitz7: Thanks dude :) But sorry I don't like it :) For example I like the apple more ;)

NR43: Thanks! I checked loomis books also (you can download them somewhere) and tried to understand his sketches so here is what I got ....


08-22-2006, 07:53 PM
he trunks

I really like the pear you painted from ref. Maybe push the highlights a bit more. But that is just nitpicking. Just dropped by to push you and tell you how much I liked that pear. You have a good eye for colour-picking. Do more of those!


08-22-2006, 11:49 PM
Very inspiring seeing all those head studies, it really shows your determination to get to grips with you subject. One of the tricks I found helped me with drawing the head with no ref was to place the ears on the cross that occurs at the sides of the basic sphere of the head, as from there I could get my line for both the eyes and the mouth. The pear and apple studies both show a great understanding of color and light, nice job on those. Keep up the work!

08-23-2006, 12:44 AM
hah loomis! thats awesome, I can not tell you how much I learnt from it. Keep doing them on a regular basis...he's so great in simplyfing complex forms such as the head. It really helps understandig the anotomy. Keep it up, I see a good amount of study here. think the last update really shows some progress.


08-23-2006, 06:42 AM
great to see these loomis studies Thomas! I like the one on the bottom centre the best.
I think you're getting it just right. Now try to do these under different angles. When I did these, after a couple of days I started doing these schematic heads while doodling (it became an automatism). And that's a golden tip from Cyanid to keep doing them every now and then...

Keep going this is lovely!

08-24-2006, 06:26 PM
Wow... so many replies ... thanks everybody!

Mu: Thanks! I'll do more of this soon... at the moment I try to concentrate on my heads ;)

Zephyri: Wow, thanks a lot! Never heared someone saying "inspiring" to one of my works ... thanks! I am giving your idea a try! I never really concentrated on the ear so maybe this might be some new way of working for me... we'll se if it works for me :)

Cyanid: Thanks! I am giving my best to keep at it... I promise :D

NR43: Thanks dude! I am giving my best to do it whereever whenever ... in school at home wherever. You are right this is very important ... On monday night a friend had birthday and I was totally drunk but I sketched a head on the menu ;)

Today I brought you something different ... some stuff out of my art lessons ... this is really crazy. We are doing surrealism ... ok look for yourself. First some more head attempts:

08-24-2006, 09:51 PM

Nice job on that pear....:applause:
If you are finding heads to be a problem,...I highly recomend...
Drawing the Human HEAD,by Burne Hogarth...GREAT book.. Will make your task a lot easier ..FOR SURE..:)
REALLY LIKE your venture into surrealism, and your play with perpective...great way to get in touch with your imagination, and to exercise, or is it exorcise:eek: .:scream: your feelings, emotions,and SPIRIT...:)
KEEP UP the great progress...:thumbsup:


08-27-2006, 04:32 PM
Spirit Dreamer: Thanks! I am going to check this book, a friend of mine owns it.

Here is some more head work and just some stuff do do something different then heads ;)


08-31-2006, 05:01 PM

Ok so today I scanned some stuff ... just to do it ;)


(Click on the image below to see a bigger version)
http://trunks.dasprids.de/Scan100012.jpg (http://trunks.dasprids.de/Scan10001.jpg)

09-02-2006, 12:13 AM
Hi everybody!
Today I have some practice with markers ... hope Mr.Mu likes it a little because it was his opinion to work more with b/w (ok I know you did not meant this but hey ^^)


Yeah the bottom right is out of star wars... wanted to learn something by this guys but I did not like it ... not even a bit)

09-03-2006, 09:59 AM
Hey these last few sketches are really nice, I especially like the creature head studies
keep it up! awesome stuff!

09-04-2006, 12:06 PM
NR43: Thanks :)

New studies from the last days ... hope you like them ;)


My brightest marker were suddenly empty (both of them) so I got a little frustrated on this one ...

09-06-2006, 05:51 PM
Hi all, less time today (as always nearly) so just some updates from boring lessons ... ballpointpen excercises ...



09-07-2006, 05:29 AM
Awesome! Ballpen is a great medium isn't it (I recently discovered it too) Would love to see more of those

One thing I noticed... you seem to design your creatures while drawing them in profile... any other views? Perspective can do great things with all sorts of creatures :D

09-10-2006, 08:16 AM
Hi all, quick update ... I think there will be more later ...

NR43: Thanks ;) Yes I found out that ballpen is very nice to play with :)

I am concentrating on drapery more now ...

crazy piece of paper ....

Yesterday I went to the lake here in town and painted some forest with a friend of mine... in front there is water which I not really painted ... ;)

Some more ballpen stuff ...

Too small head ... anyway ...

09-10-2006, 11:06 AM

I like the computer head guy...nice concept:thumbsup: ....alot could be done using that concept..situations wise...:scream:
Nice to see you taking an interest in drapery.....A great book, and one that I have learned the most from about drapery ,folds, flow, ect....is...DYNMAMIC WRINKLES and DRAPERY by BURNE HOGARTH....Has everything you will need to know about the way it acts on, and with the human figure in that book...a must for any serious artist who plans on doing clothed figures..:thumbsup:
Keep up the nice progress...looking forward to seeing more...:)


09-10-2006, 12:10 PM
good study's, think about your lines...before you draw them. Than it doesnt become such a mess as in some image.
Keep it up!


09-10-2006, 07:32 PM
SpiritDreamer: Thanks Glenn! I boorowed a book from Hogarth about drapery... I think this will work ;) (Don't know if it is the same ... the names seem not to fit).

Cyanid: Thakns for the good advice ;) I should remember it more often :)

For our next test in art lessons, we got a film still (the 2 persons at the left side) and we should reflect them ... well there was something more but I forgot it ;) Here is my piece:


09-30-2006, 02:04 PM
Hello everybody ... I am back from my "holiday" in italy ... I was there for one week with my art class. We had a great program so less time for sketching .. anyway here is all the stuff I did there:



09-30-2006, 03:35 PM
HEY ....Trunks.......ITALY.....NO FAIR...JEALOUS....:scream:

That drawing... # 5 from the bottom, would make a great painting...nicely composed...:thumbsup:
You should do a very quick color sketch of that drawing, before you forget the colors, feel and mood of it....maybe put a couple of human figures in it....just a thought..:)

09-30-2006, 03:59 PM
Hey Trunks,

welcome back :D

the one with the gondel is indeed really nice!
And and awesome suggestion from Glenn...

10-02-2006, 08:33 AM
Hi everybody! Thanks a lot Glenn, yeah I am going to do a painting of this piece but traditionally ;) Of course there will be some people in it ... I have the scene in my mind ver well :)

Thanks NR43, I am going to it, like I said before :)

Today it is the birthday of 2 girlfriends of mine. I did this 2 little pieces for them as a gift:


10-12-2006, 12:25 PM
Hi everybody! I am really sorry ... I think some monsters are eating my time ... it is just unbelievable ... I woke up today and noticed "WHAT? THURSDAY? YESTERDAY WAS JUST MONDAY?" This is very funny ... but anyway here is what I did the last weeks (ok in fact this is what I could find and scan or fotograph)

Hey SpiritDreamer, Italy is just unbelievable!!! I am back now for 2 Weeks and I want to go for the next 10 years back to italy ... great country :)

Playing with inkies ... all the time ^^

Wanted to draw this legs ...

10-21-2006, 08:30 AM
My latest stuff ... enjoy ;)







10-21-2006, 01:01 PM
That rendering of that Pinquin came out GREAT..:thumbsup: ..Also like the little drawing of the teddy bear and apple...nice little rendering job there..:)
I like that female figure..kind of reminds me of Picasso...like the way you made it at one with the background...nice job there...:applause: :thumbsup:
I also like the little critter with the beak....looks like he stepped out of a Bosh painting..:scream:
Nice eye studies,..and I like the way you are getting a silhouette lighting effect around the teeth on the bottom one.:thumbsup:
Turquose, golds and purple...nice colors for a Dragon...have you ever checked out old paintings of Dragons from China...there are some really great Dragons done on silk with black ink..full of atmosphere...swirling in and out of the clouds...All diferent kinds,..one for each of the elements in nature...if you get a chance, check them out..I think you would like them,..might give you a few idea's for your own Dragon.
GREAT to see your imagination at work and play...:thumbsup: :)


11-22-2006, 06:31 PM
Hi everybody, hi Glenn ;)

Great to hear you like my imagination! I am trying to do more with it from time to time ;) I have seen some japanese dragons, but I had no time on painting so much dragons ^^ I am still in my anatomie lessons ... but I think I am learning ^^

I have painted more then I can show today ... I had no time to scan / fotograph all of my stuff. Also I don't have all my images lieing around here but everywhere else ... so just the stuff I have here:



http://trunks.dasprids.de/Scan100621.jpgThis were 10 minutes:


My very first painting with acryl colors ... a birthday gift for a good friend of mine...

WIP images:

Sorry ... I am stressed today ... it is just unbelievable ... tomorrow I have to do my art test in school ... I hope I can manage it ;)


11-23-2006, 06:40 AM
Hey nice to see you posting again Trunks!

Good luck on your art test, i'm sure you'll rock the place :)

12-17-2006, 03:37 PM
Thanks NR43, I got a 2 (best mark is 1 worst 6).
Holidays start in 3 days, I will post more daily in the holidays I promise. So I am really back for around 2 weeks now. This is for sure ... the time after ... we'll see then ;) There is only one problem to fix: my keyboard got damaged ... I have to buy a new one (it is really not easy to type this)


Prince of Persia inspired: (First one with ref)

12-19-2006, 07:44 AM
great to hear you passed your test trunks!

love the nude and hand studies
the prince of persia drawing looks unfinished...?

12-24-2006, 10:45 AM
Thanks NR43 ! You are right, I forgot to write that it is a wip.

I made a little christmas image for you all, I want to wish you a merry christmas! Enjoy your time ;)


bigger + B/W: http://trunks.dasprids.de/xmas.jpg
bigger + colors: http://trunks.dasprids.de/xmascolor.jpg

12-24-2006, 03:39 PM
Merry Christmas, Trunks, keep up the good work in 2007! :)

12-24-2006, 06:15 PM
Hey man thanks!
Hope you'll have a nice time now and in 2007 :D

01-08-2007, 03:38 PM
Hi everybody! Happy new year 2007!!! I hope you all had a good star into the new year! Mine was ok, I was a little lazy over the holidays ... had to relax. Here is the stuff I did the last time:

Rebeccak: Thanks! I am trying my best!
NR43: Hope you will have a nice time, too!

Painted this one with a friend ... we did some funny "game" ... he painted half the time and I painted the other half of the time. Then we just painted at the same time ... just crazy. This is our result. I think it is not completely finished but I don't know if we'll have time to finish it. So I show it to you.
acryl on paper

Playing around with form and testing this way of sketching.

Sketches ... I still can't paint faces/ heads ... don't know what to do :/


Next bad face/heads ... :(

Some robots after I did some more bad heads (pirates ^^)


My art teacher wanted me to do some more runners ... so I sketched one ...

Here is a female study, please klick on the link because I did not want to post it in 600px width: http://trunks.dasprids.de/Scan100661.jpg

01-08-2007, 03:51 PM
Hello. Nice sketchbook you have.
I really like the runner in the last post, the lean angle is perfect. There is also great feeling in the piece you did with your friend, the demon vs man-with-two-swords one :)
Hope you'll have a good new year.

01-09-2007, 06:42 PM
Jho: Thanks a lot! Great to hear you like the images :) In real the runner is a little bit longer to the top and the bottom. My scanner is just not big enough but I begin to hate all the images I fotograph ... I don't like their look.

Something from today ... playing around with this way of sketching ... well ... I just like "non seeable borders" or how they could be named. I wanted to test this ... but I did not wanted a comic look ;) Also trying to get some more ideas of hair ;) Oh and I am attempting to come back to my daily postings :D

01-10-2007, 07:33 AM
... I still can't paint faces/ heads ... don't know what to do :/

don't forget what you learned with the loomis foolproof technique!
Use that knowledge. If it's been too long, get back into it. It should be so deeply in your system you can apply the technique even when you turn off your brain and just draw without thinking. This will only happen after many many sketches though :)

Keep practicing heads. I know it may seem like you are not making progress sometimes, but I think if you stick to your plan you will get better and better for sure.

Try a few sheets of bald heads under different angles.

Keep it up Trunks you're doing great!

01-11-2007, 08:41 PM
Thanks NR43! Good idea ! I'll try to fill some more paper with heads ... okok :D I'LL DO IT! YEAH! :D ;)
But in fact I think you are right ... I should just keep on practising ... and I should try to find out why my sketches always seem to fall to the left side of the image ...

Here is some work from yesterday and today:


01-12-2007, 06:59 AM

you made me do some Loomis head constructions again too :)
the result was terrifying omg who am I to tell you argh
I'll post them tonight (at work now)

one thing with these loomis head studies... on the pages of the loomis book, they are printed quite small. I've learned yesterday that the smaller we draw, the easier it gets to make a drawing look wrong. I think when doing about 4 head per A4 page, they would look better. I Might try that today here at work if I get the time.

01-14-2007, 08:27 PM
Something totally new. Watercolors ;) My second image I did with this technique ... the first one is in school ... I'll scan it later. I love watercolors ... I'll destroy all other colors I have and only paint with watercolors from now on ;)

NR43 I searched for your heads? :D Why did you not post them? :) Come on dude ! :D I am taking a break from heads now because I want to play more with watercolors :D I really love them :D

http://trunks.dasprids.de/aq_001cgt.jpg (http://trunks.dasprids.de/aq_001.jpg)

01-14-2007, 10:12 PM
Hi trunks,

I think the proportions on the head might be a bit off and moreover the head is done in a way which watercolors do not necessarily lend themselves too well (i.e. too much rendering, I always feel like watercolor images should have some chaos left in them, you know?)

So, why do I take the time to post at all if all I can do is being nitpicky? :D

That's why: I love watercolor and the tiger's hide across his back is just awesome! Totally beautiful. It has what I love about watercolor: glowing shining color, complex transition of colours and a beautiful simplicity to it. No need for further detail that way. I wish you would transfer the qualities of that part to the head.
Maybe next time...?


01-17-2007, 08:36 PM
Thanks MR.Mu ;) I am very much learning, testing and playing at the moment. I am just trying to learn the technique ;) But thanks for your advice! I tried it this time ... but I am not very happy ... in my oppinion I used to less water to much color the whole time ... anyway ... still learning :D I'll post more tomorrow I think ;)


01-17-2007, 10:46 PM
Not a bad start to watercolours, Trunks! For a first couple of paintings, these are pretty good. It all depends what kind of look you're after with watercolours... unless you're going for a very loose, shape-driven feel, watercolours are best done with lots of layers to build up density of colour, that way you get the light reflecting through them all and giving that great luminosity that they're famous for. And they don't necessarily have to be loose either,. For example, here's one of my earlier watercolour studies: Tiger in Watercolour (http://zephyri.com/gallery/albums/Sketches/tigger.jpg) which was done in just that way, and is still as detailed and tight as something in acrylics and oils might be.

You could also try laying down the backgrgound first with a big brush, and waiting for it to dry (taping down the paper onto a board might help the buckling of the paper when you do this too), then painting over that, that way you don't end up with the white fringes to the sketches either. But keep at it, you seem to have a nice touch with the medium!

01-18-2007, 05:12 PM
Thanks a lot Zephyri! I tried your background "trick" this time ... was working ... well ... ok ;) Your tiger is really nice ! I am not sure what way of painting I am going for ... more rendered and detailed or more loose ... I think I'll have to do some more images to find this out :)

This one is from today and was planed to be a shark ;) I tried wet-wet a little more ... I think it worked fine :)
http://trunks.dasprids.de/aq_003cgt.jpg (http://trunks.dasprids.de/aq_003.jpg)

01-19-2007, 11:08 AM
HEY...Trunks....:thumbsup: :applause:

REALLY like that bird ....has the freshness and richness of color that is eye catching and unique to water colors, when they are done corectly.
I like the area right above it's head, where the edge of the birds head, and the background meet...you might try getting that effect more often, on your next one.
When it comes to watercolors, I think that less is more...beautiful..
There is an exercise that my teacher in watercolors used to have us do.
TRY DOING A PAINTING, with 90 percent of the surface of the canvas/paper covered with color, and 10 percent left white.
Then do the same painting again, except reverse that ratio, where it is 90 percent white, to 10 percent color on the surface of the canvas/paper.....great little exercise...:)
KEEP GOING Trunks...really enjoying these experiments in water color,
very exciteing medium to work with,..always has that element of surprise, and controlled uncontrolabilty, where the paint and water kind of do there own thing, and creat thier own special kind of magic.
Learning to let them have that freedom to do thier own thing, is the key to great watercolor painting, and is an art in itself, when mastered...:)

01-19-2007, 07:34 PM
Hey, Trunks. Really great to see you enjoying watercolors. Funny medium I must say. And tricky in the same way. SpiritDreamer has some great advises and wisdom to share :) I'm a real begginer with watercolors, so all I can say is keep going :thumbsup:

01-21-2007, 06:04 PM
Hi, today I finished the painting you see here ... I got very bored about the motive so I think this was my last animal for some time now ;)


razz:Thanks, I'll do my best :D

SpiritDreamer: Thanks a lot! The next two watercolor pieces will be for you ;)

I think I am going to do some self-potraits now ... was planning to do them for a while and I think the time has come ;) We'll see what future brings ;)

01-22-2007, 05:35 PM
Hi everybody ... as I said yesterday ... self-potraits :D What I not said yesterday.... I was planing to paint some more then a few ... so I hope I can get like 30 or 40 or more ;) I am trying to do a sp everyday now ... we'll see how far I get :D

This one is from yesterday:

From today:

01-22-2007, 06:21 PM
Hey Trunks,

I'm really digging your heads, especially the last few. I have a tough time drawing them too so I can relate. The water colors are improving everytime too! I also like the runner you have too. That angle is nice. He really has a lot of weight to him.:)

I'm interested in seeing some more watercolor ones, GL!

01-23-2007, 10:28 AM
Hi Trunks, some good studies here, showing a lot of improvement. You got some nice ideas. I like the last robot you did. When you draw heads, you could convey more depth information by varying your linethicknes. It makes the eyes and the mouth less flat. You were doing that in post #115. Keep going!

01-23-2007, 08:50 PM
ha-dou-ken: Thanks! I have some new watercolor image for you today ;) I think my self-potrait tomorrow will be with pencils, I have less time ... to much to do ...

batte812: Thank you :) I am attempting what you said the next time. Seems like a great advice. We'll see what I am going to do with it ;)

This is my self-potrait from today :) A little warm-cold and whatever ^^ Hope you like it :) Enjoy !
http://trunks.dasprids.de/SP/23-01-2007cgt.jpg (http://trunks.dasprids.de/SP/23-01-2007.jpg)

01-23-2007, 09:19 PM
Wohoou :)
Your watercolor images are amazing! Very nice play with colors, I want to do something like this too! :sad::scream: ... Maybe in 1 year :p

And your last piece is really nice! I can feel the warm and the cold parts! Very "cool"! ^^

01-24-2007, 06:10 PM
Hi all, soory I have not time I'll comment later, just my today's sp ;)


01-24-2007, 08:06 PM
Hey man I love self portraits.
I hope you'll be doing 30 - 40 as well :D

01-24-2007, 08:16 PM
Why not a whole 1000, just like Andrew Jones did!!

01-25-2007, 08:03 PM
Why not a whole 1000, just like Andrew Jones did!!

Yeah, why not doing 1.000.000? :D

Serious now, I had not really set me a goal so why not doing 1000 ? I am trying to go from one small goal to the next ... my first goal is doing 10 sp's. My next would be 30 (one month :D) then we'll see how far I can get :) Also I am trying to improve my skills and style by doing this sp's ;)

BapKe: Thanks! I hope you'll be able to do such images, too :D

NR43: Thanks! I am doing my best ! I hope I'll reach it :D

This is my sp for today ... trying to use less color more water. Enjoy!

01-25-2007, 08:29 PM
This last portrait of yours is looking really great, Trunks! Those soft and hard edges give a great feel, like you're coming from the water. Was that intended?
One thing I could crit is that darkers tones are needed in the lips and eye area especially. It might be just my preference though! I like more contrasty images. But I believe it would give more depth to the whole piece.
I'd love to see you paint one with just black in you palette :)

01-26-2007, 05:53 AM
Really liking the watercolour sps... especially the last one, thats got a really unique feel and i like the way the eyes jump out. A good discipline, it seems... keep it up!

01-26-2007, 06:04 AM
Hey I recognize a bit of my latest school assignments in there :D

Great one indeed, the watercolor SP
I think you should have a peep at Frejasphere's sketchbook. She's great at colors... Might give you some interesting idea's.

01-26-2007, 04:54 PM
Hi all, this is my today's sp, have not time ... I am invited to an opening of a gallery ... please enjoy my work from today, this is for razz ;) I'll comment tomorrow :)


01-27-2007, 02:34 PM
Great, Trunks! Would be great if you had a big scanner to scan these, because I believe that photographing it takes some of that how it looks in real and gives that yellowish tone. Nive lighting in this last one, that we see only half of the face, the other half is in shadow. I like seeing this kind of stuff in art. You should look for that in the works of Remdrandt, he was amazing with lighting. The chiaroscuro is in his paintings, mmm...

01-28-2007, 06:13 PM
Hi everybody ... had no time to post yesterday ... but I did my self-potrait :D I thinks tomorrow will be a day where I cannot post, too. It is my birthday and some guests will come ... I think ^^

razz: First of all: No it was not planned that I am coming from the water (not at the beginning). You are right the quality of the fotos is really really bad ... but I don't know what to do ... a big scanner costs to much for me (at the moment). I'll try to fix this problem as best as possible :)

NR43: I was not thinking of your school assignments but now when you say it ... you might be right :D

Zephyri: Thanks :) I am really trying to do it day for day ... would be also great to see the improvement after a year or so ;)

This is my sp from yesterday (I trained a little for the one today I think):

This one is from today, the quality of this foto is really really bad ... sorry ... in original the lips are not this strong in comparison to the left side ... I should rework the chin a litle ... I see now ^^

Just for entertainment reasons... a picture of my workingplace :)
http://trunks.dasprids.de/SP/eckecgt.jpg (http://trunks.dasprids.de/SP/ecke.jpg)

01-28-2007, 06:15 PM
Happy Birthday Trunks! :) Looking forward to another year of improvement. :)

01-28-2007, 06:33 PM
Hi....Trunks..:) :thumbsup: ........HAPPY BIRTHDAY....:scream: :bounce: :bounce:

Enjoying your experiments with your selfportraits alot...really catching some nice moods and feelings in them...GREAT IDEA YOU HAVE THERE..:thumbsup:

01-28-2007, 07:17 PM
Hey man Happy b-day!

Great work on the sp's again.
And aah a messy desk... as any realy artist should have :D

01-28-2007, 08:03 PM
happy birthday:)

01-28-2007, 08:33 PM
Happy Birthday, mate! Let the next year be even more creative :scream: Boost your skills up!

Hey, I can live with those photos, why buy a huge scanner just to show the images, while we can see them already? It's the skills you gain by doing these and the pleasure you give us by showing them here at the quality that we can see what's happening :) At least that's my opinion.
Check out Sargent's work, he has done lots of amazing watercolor paintings. Maybe studying some of them would be a good idea, though drawing from life is better.
You've just inspired me to try more to get that damn mirror for myself!!

02-02-2007, 11:52 AM
Hi everybody!
I had no time to post the last days but I did my sp every day :D So today you'll get a big update ... the sp of today will come tomorrow or so ... I am not finished yet and I have no time to post later ... so just keep patience :)

Rebeccak: Thanks!

razz: Thanks! For sure I'll not buy a big scanner just for this forum. What I meaned was: I'll try to find a better way to fotograph the pieces so they get a better quality. Oh and you really should try to get this mirror for yourself. What a funny thing ... to inspire you MORE TO TRY to get a mirror :D

NR43: Yeah, I am a real artist *cool* :D

su: Thanks!

SpiritDreamer: Thanks Glenn, I hope you'll enjoy my next sp's a lot more :)






And some perspective stuff ... for school ...

02-02-2007, 12:44 PM

Keep it up, and you will be giving DALI a run for his money..:scream:
I was just thinking that some hands in those selfportraits might be nice.
Hands can really tell a story, and convey emotion when put into a composition with a face...can make the selfportrait that much better, if HAND/LED properly...just a thought ..:)
Always like your perspective studies...maybe a little of that in your selfportaits..just another thought, and some more food for your imagination..:scream: :)

02-02-2007, 02:09 PM
Hi Trunks,

I noticed you have suddenly gone from drawing and painting into more conceptual pieces. That is always a good thing. Keep it up (the conceptual stuff).

02-02-2007, 08:13 PM
SpiritDreamer: The idea with the hands is very nice! I'll keep it in mind and do one your way :) I also like the idea with the perspectice stuff ... we'll see what tomorrow brings :)
And yeah I am going to get Dali crying :)

vincent1: You are right, I can quickly tell you the story ... I noticed that my ability to draw shadows correct is much better then creating something ... so I decided it is useless to train painting realistic stuff because I am good enough for the moment (with pencils!) ... for me it is now most important to do the concept of what I draw right ... the realistic painting is very unimportant for me ;)

This one was my very first ... I took it back from my art school today ...

Today (as always a very bad foto ^^):

02-04-2007, 03:13 PM
Hi everybody! Some updates ;)


I took the piece of yesterday and did some changes ... 4-2-2007:

02-04-2007, 03:31 PM

Good to see all the work you've been doing lately! :)

You've got a strong start to the digital piece - I like the first version without the disintegration - the main thing I would suggest at this point is to add shadows to the eyes - the eyeballs will not be the bright white that you have currently - they will be a light - mid gray, as they are shadowed by the eyesockets. There will also be a shadow beneath the eyelid on the upper edge of the eyeball - that will in turn give the eyes the dimensionality they need.

Also keep in mind that on any lit object, you will a number of different values delineating the form - this (http://www.smccd.net/accounts/bazakk/instruction/drawing.htm) is a good example of the different values you will see on any object:


Right now many of the forms are lacking a core shadow, that area where the form starts to turn and is darkest. I think if you start to add these core shadows in, your form will start to have more punch.

Looking forward to more! :)

02-04-2007, 03:51 PM
Hi trunks,

strong and very much improved painting you did there.

02-04-2007, 04:06 PM
I like that you continued doing those self-portraits. You'll see your skills rise in no time! What's the count? :D
By the way, this last one looks good, and I have nothing to crit, because Rebecca just gave you some very valuable advices :)

02-04-2007, 08:10 PM
Hey Rebeccak, thanks! I'll try to learn this more and attempt to draw this next time :) Maybe I'll rework this piece tomorrow ... today I had not enough time left ;) I jsut played a little more with the 2nd version you did not like this much ;)

Mu: Thanks for passing by ;)

razz: I think I did my 16th today ... so I passed 2 weeks of self-potrait's! Wow that's cool :D

I played a little bit more with this version ... I like how it looks now :)
(please klick on the image for the large version - the large version is much cooler I think ;))
http://trunks.dasprids.de/SP/dg09cgt.jpg (http://trunks.dasprids.de/SP/dg09.jpg)

02-11-2007, 08:51 PM
Hi everybody ...
first of all ... sorry for not posting anything the last week ... this week and next week we are writing some tests (don't know the correct word) which are really important for us, so I am mostly learning and doing nothing ;)


I want to focus you and your thoughts on something different today ... so I think this will be more a "to discuss" post then anything else. The funny thing... I am now trying to explain everything in english :D Ok so here I go ...

I was thinking about &quot;what are we all aiming for?&quot; <- something like this ...
I noticed that many people here like images which are near to fotorealistic ... and really less people here like some creative way to show the world something. Ok for example take my selfpotrait from 3-2-2007. I draw it with the intention to have a good start to get my idea (Me in motion -> click (http://trunks.dasprids.de/SP/dg10.jpg) <- finished version) on paper. I never told you why I draw this version. In fact I did it because my art teacher wanted us to draw twoe images ... one should be called &quot;Me - still&quot; (I made a foto of myself juggling three clubs with the lowest exposure time which was possible with a friends [ professional fotographer ] camera) and the second image should be called &quot;Me in motion&quot;. I don't see my work as the best ever done or as perfect or whatever ... I just wonder why people are only replying and commenting when someone posts fotorealistic stuff and not when there is somebody who trys something different.
So I thinkg the main questions is &quot;Why do most people see fotorealstic art as the better art?&quot;
Another example ... my mother asks me for one year every week &quot;Why are you not drawing flowers?&quot; She wants me to draw flowers ... I don't know why ... I really have no idea ... I mean there are great still-lifes with flowers ... but why the hell should I draw flowers? I don't even like flowers, also I don't have a use to tell my story with them at the moment. The only words I had for this was &quot;Take a foto!&quot;
I think that's the point. When people say art should be fotorealistic ... they should go and take fotos!

Since the camera was invented painting is free! Sometimes I am asking myself if everybody has understood this? Just because we are able to do fotorealistic paintings we don't have to! A painting could be very great without being fotorealistic. Take Picasso ... he could draw nearly perfect with 14 years ... well I am 20 now and I am not able to draw thie realisitc like him. He noticed &quot;hey there is no way to becoming better .... so I have to change and do something totally new&quot; (this is no quote ;))

I myself feel that I am at an intersection. It is not THE big choice &quot;realisitc - creative/abstract&quot; but I think it is one decision I have to do which might be important for my future ... I don't know ... but I see how my understanding of images is turning ... and I am more and more trying to tell my story ... not to do a foto.

I hope somebody understood what I was trying to say ... I would really like to read what you are thinking about this :) I am just interrested in more input :) I am in a really deep phase of thinking ... maybe the most intensive phase of my life. So I would really like to hear some interresting thoughts on this topic :)
Also I am very interrested in seeing myself coming out of the lair and shwoing what my final decision was and how I am trying to take the next stages on the stairs.

Oh and just to have an image here to get somebody to read the text above ... a friend of mine... I am painting together with him from time to time so we potraied each other. I don't like the proportions ... everything seems to be wrong ... but I like how the watercolors are looking :)

02-11-2007, 10:14 PM
Flowers and humming birds done from imagination...female model from photo....personal interpretation
http://artbyglenngallegos.com/PaintingsBig/PaintingBig43.html (http://artbyglenngallegos.com/PaintingsBig/PaintingBig43.html)
http://artbyglenngallegos.com/FantasyBig/FantasyBig38.html (http://artbyglenngallegos.com/FantasyBig/FantasyBig38.html)
I never copied, or used photo's until I came on this forum, and did the OFDW'S....EVERYTHING before this forum is created from imagination, and alot of that is in my CG PORTFOLIO.
I think that photo's have a place in learning though, and should not be dicounted as tools in the creative process...they can be copied to a T, or interepted in a personal style,..whichever method serves your need and desire.
You will never be able to please everyone with your art, no matter what style you paint in, and only a fool tries to....Better to please yourself when it comes to your art...If you don't, it will show up in your art for sure..one way or the other...Be true to your SELF, and you will never be disapointed in your SELF.:)

02-11-2007, 10:33 PM
So to tell what you've just read in few words would be "oh, why do people adore photorealistic art more than any other?". But then you give your piece as an example, talking about it being still and the other being in motion. This is where I get lost. Are you really talking about two different things? The idea about the painting and the way it is painted. I just don't get it. Sorry, I may have misunderstood you here. You start about photorealistic art and finish with painting flowers. What's that got to do with it? What is really that you want to discuss about?
About you saying to take photos instead of creating realistic art..well, when you'll take me a photo of a few guys riding dragons to a field where a huge fight is going on, with the sky full of clouds and thunder, pouring rain, I might just take up photography (and you now that would never happen). Get the idea?
Maybe art is about depicting something perfectly with strokes. And in perfectly I mean photorealistic. I guess we all understand it differently, but none of us really comprehend it, because everyone has it's own thoughts about it.
Hopefully I didn't get far from what you wanted to talk about. You shouldn't worry about this kind of stuff, why people like one thing more that another. For example, I hate pop music, but I don't go asking why so many people listen to it.
There will always be someone who loves it and someone who hates it.
Now let's draw, not talk! :scream:

02-12-2007, 06:28 AM
Hey trunks, interesting thoughts you've got posted. I think photo-realism in art is praised more widely simply because people find it easier to relate to, there is no hidden meaning or deciphering of style as there can be in some abstract images. Usually with realism it's fairly easy to ascertain what the artist was trying to paint, so it's easier to be enthusiastic when it's good, or help crit when something is off. Of course it can also reach the hyper-realism phase where there is a fine line as to whether the art is of any real use or not, given it is usually exactly reproduced from a photo. Though that in itself can be a real talent, if not necessarily a particularly useful one, and there will always be people who are awed by it. I was one of those people, and remember thinking my art teacher was mad when he said it was no big deal that anyone with enough patience could do it. Now my boundries have shifted and I appreciate other things. It's the same for all kinds of art, it's just the people who are viewing it.

With the kind of abstract things, such as the two portraits you've got here, they can be harder to comment on, cimple because the artist's motive is often unclear... for example, I could say that the 'motion' portrait you did feels more like you're being sucked into a vortex, rather than moving and the blur that causes, as you discuss with the photography, but you could well have been aiming for that, in which case my comment is invalid.

And I think your mother wants you to paint flowers simply because she likes them! I get the same thing from my parents... they want me to paint pets or landscapes, and frequently pull faces at some of the things I do create.

I think its a matter of finding a platform where your art can be appreciated, and trying different things to be sure you're happy with what you're doing. I feel at home here cause my goal is to be able to produce realistic figurative works of art, and people have responded to that. I am sure there must be sites out there where there is an appreciation for what you're trying to achieve too, wherever you decide you want to take your art.

Phew. Novel length comment over!

02-12-2007, 07:35 AM
I think your portrait "in motion" looks more like a portrait of you desintegrating to be honest.
However, the effect is really nice and you didn't get as much credit for it as you deserved. (not from me anywayz)

About drawing realistically... I think there is a simple rule saying if you can draw realistic you can draw anything. If you look at most great artists in the world, you will notice they have all gone through a certain phase in their life first to learn to draw/paint realistic. Some - like Picasso - have grown into a different level by leaving the realism out. Thanks to their genius they were able to leave a lot of information out and still add to the images they were creating...

The realistic way of drawing isn't as easy as you make it seem. check out AzticFlower's thread and try to make a life drawing as good as the ones you can see there. A realistic drawing is something totally different than a photograph. Even if you would take a picture from the same position under the same light, it will still make a big big difference...

furthermore, I totally agree with Glenn: If you're not commissioned, just make your art for yourself, not to please others.
If you create art for other people on request (paid or not), you have to take your work as close to their expectations as possible. This itself can be quite challenging as well.

razz also has a point: drawing a dragon, a creature or an elf etc realistically is a lot of fun

My advise would be to learn to draw as realistically as possible and when you are able to, to drop the things you feel you don't need, change the things you don't like, add the things you feel are missing, etc... to make convincing, believable art.

I believe this process usually takes many many years but if you are up to it... consider this, rather than to drop, change, add stuff immediately

02-12-2007, 09:10 AM
Hey trunks,

never break the rules before you thoroughly learned them all!



Do it! who knows what becomes of it...:)

04-07-2007, 01:12 PM
Hi everybody!
First of all sorry for not replying for such a long time. I am writing my last exams in school and I am learning much for them. I don't even have much time to draw. Also as you may see in my last post here, I had some motivation and understanding problems I had to clear.

I want to thank you for your replys... Mr.Mu, Johan, Zephyri, Glenn and razz. You all helped me a lot. I am trying to do more realistic art now and I want really to perfect this now. I think I just found a way for myself to live with it for the moment. I really know what I want now. I have to answer your post personally later, I have still less time ... sorry :/

Potraits ...

Perspective Figure stuff ...

Sketches ...
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/4388/scan100041qo6.jpg Star wars inspired ...

Also star wars inspired....


04-07-2007, 01:13 PM
Why can there be only 10 images included? And why are smilies counting as images? Will I ever get an answer to this? Questions about questions ... one more image now :D


04-09-2007, 12:29 PM

I was just thinking after reading the last page of your thread,..mixed feelings and emotions...pretty common when it comes to the creative mind :) ANYWAY, ..I was thinking that if you are aiming for realism,...why not do a still life, from real life, of some flowers in a glass vase, with reflextions, shadows,colors..ect.,...and combine it with a portrait of your MOM, painted from photo ..Maybe have the portrait hanging on a wall above and behind the still life...You could then if you felt like it, put a self portrait of yourself, done in whatever style, technique and mood that you feel like, MAYBE FROM IMAGINATION, or whatever you feel like... something that expesses an emotion that you feel captures YOU.
If you put those three elements into one painting...STILL LIFE FROM LIFE,...PORTRAIT OF YOUR MOM, FROM PHOTO,...YOUR SELFPORTRAIT, FROM IMAGINATION, ..I think you would be onto something GREAT..:)

If you made it nice enough,...it would be something that would be and make a GREAT present for your MOM,...Something she would treasure always..:thumbsup: :)

Just giving you some food for thought here...:)

04-12-2007, 05:56 PM
Hi everybody :)

Thanks Glenn, very nice idea you have got there. I can't promise to do what you offered, I am just keeping at potraits at the moment. But my art "exam" (it is not the same like an exam but it is not a text so I don't know the right word for it ;)) was a still life in an artist's room. Before this I practiced some still lifes and painted my mum some flowers ;) I am too lazy to scan them at the moment but maybe later :)

I was testing some techniques of drawing with a pencil ;)

Here is a SP I wanted to do the same way as the one I posted above ... but I was trying to get more detail in it ... well I am not happy with the result ... :(

This is a potrait of wolverine, I had a b/w reference. I Like it but I think I made some mistake with his head ... something feels wrong ... I don't really know ... someone?

04-13-2007, 12:03 PM

On that last one, you might draw an imaginary diaginal line from the inside of the closest eyesocket down to the corner of the lips, and then to the corner of the chin..you will see that the corner of his chin is on the outside of that line,..should be on the inside. He also needs that far eye in place for a three qurter view...comes off looking like a profile without it there, which does not match the three quarter view of the rest of the face....Mainly I think it is the bone struture and angle of his chin that is throwing the perspective of the face off...Think of the underlying bones first, then the expression that covers them second.:eek: :)
He also needs more skull on the back of his head.:)
Hope that is of some help...:)

05-12-2007, 07:44 AM
Hi everybody ... I am now finally finished with school ... I have to wait a month or so till I get my marks but I have no tests/exams more to write :) I am now totally back to art :D

Glenn: Thanks! I think this helped ... I'll just work more on this problems to fix them :)

Here are my latest potraits ... all from life ...





07-13-2007, 06:02 PM
Hi all... I just wanted to show you all my latest potraits and other stuff...









07-13-2007, 10:44 PM
hi trunks,

I like numbers 3 and 7. Just kind of speak to me. It's always fun and enjoyable to just create things.

Would love to see more watercolor and also repeated studies, because I notice that as soon as your portraits leave a full profile you run the risk of skewing the alignments of features and all of these would be a lot stronger if this wasn't the case. (especially watch and observe noses in perspective or 3/4 views... get real life ref... do you do these from live models, btw? If not, you should give it a try!)

07-14-2007, 12:59 PM
Yes most of them are done from a life model. I am working on this problems ... I hope ...

I have some more watercolor stuff flying around in my artlessons ... I will show them later when I have them here ...

07-14-2007, 01:28 PM
Hi ...Trunks...:)

GREAT to see you are working from a live model, and are also still putting your own imagination into your pieces ..:thumbsup:
I think that you should get some of Burne Hogarths books if you can.
DRAWING THE HUMAN HEAD by him is one that will really be of help to you,..he shows you how to do the heads properly from all different angles...Knowing this beforhand, will really help you out when you work from the model...Look at that book, as just another tool to help you perfect your style..Your works will be that much better the more you know about structure, and how to portray it, which is all in that one book...hope this helps you out some.

07-18-2007, 09:11 PM
Thank you Glenn ! I am trying to get this book or one with all Hogarth books in one ... the problem is that they are not any longer produced in germany ... :/

Here are three watercolor pieces ... recycling my old pallettes :)



Here are three drawings from my today figure drawing class ... or however to call it ^^



07-18-2007, 10:07 PM
Heya Trunks,

in my opinion the watercolor paintings are wonderfully enegetic. You seem to have a hand for those. So, whatever you do... try to keep the watercolors coming every once in a while.

If only for my enjoyment...:D

07-20-2007, 11:12 AM
Mr.Mu: Thanks :) Yes I am continuing watercolor pieces :) No problem ;) I hope I can do some at my figure drawing class today :)

This one is from the figure drawing class yesterday ... I will upload the other ones from yesterday and today later ... when I was there and got them ;)

I forgot to post this dragon stuff ;)



07-20-2007, 02:17 PM

nice dragonesque creatures

the female nudes have some major proportional issues though.
You seem to have a tendency to make the neck really long

07-20-2007, 08:18 PM
Hi Johan, thanks for stopping by. You are right, all the females seem to be to male ... I have to get better in this :) But the neck is really correct ... this girl had an unbelievable long neck!
When I left the figure drawing class today it was raining ... I could not take all the pieces with me so I only have this two:

This is not finished, the head is very box like ... Normally I would paint the hair ready and finish the jaw. I think I will do this tomorrow.
When I look at this now ... it really looks a little Michael Jackson like ^^

This were 10 - 15 minutes.

07-29-2007, 08:22 PM
Hello everybody ;)

I am back again from some spontanious holidays ... I was on holiday for one week with some friends. I made a few anatomie studies ... here they are:


07-29-2007, 11:54 PM
HEY ..Trunks ...:)

Just stopping by to see what you've been up to lately.
Nice studies of the skull and spine...really liking that line on the outter edge of the skull, ..where it is pure line, and then vanishes into the form of the skull...GREAT EFFECT..:thumbsup:
On the hand, you might try the same thing....let the lines on the inside of the hand make the contour of the form, going all the way to the edge, getting thinner, and then vanishing into and around the form...same as you did with the skull...will give it a roundness and add to the volume of the hand...just a thought that might be of help to you..:)
Keep up the great progress Trunks,..ALWAYS a pleasure seeing it..:thumbsup:

07-31-2007, 09:32 AM
Nice spine there! :D What I may suggest after seeing these updates is for you to do some studies of eyes, nose, lips, etc. These would really improve yours faces. Without rushing anywhere, taking your time to understand why you draw it the way you draw it. You saw me doing studies all the time. After all those I'm now trying to push my imaginational drawing skills and I think those studies really helped.

07-31-2007, 05:23 PM
Hi :)

Glenn ... thanks for stopping by ;) It is glad to hear you like the skull :) I am not going to change tha hand ... but I can try this effect the next time :) Today I tried pencil on grey paper which looks very nice... this could be also some interresing idea for this technique ;)

razz ... I think you are right ... this is why I decided to go back and start with the bones again ... I hope I can understand the whole human figure better and I am sure I will do more studies of noses etc. I think I never really made it to study every part of the human figure ... I think I only did some parts ... maybe I can get it this time better ;) I need some better understanding in the general form ... For this I'll try more and more studies like you said :) They have to help ^^

Here is some new stuff ... it seems like I am trying to get all bones studied now :D I think the skull got a little to small :( I REALLY want to get drawings with correct propotions :(

07-31-2007, 10:29 PM
HI Trunks,

To get better proportions, you need guides; in the form of ticks marks or lines, boxes, whatever gets the job done. Of course you need to understand the proportions in the first place.

E.g. artistically most figures are 8 heads high, the sacrum is almost the width of the haed, the hips (for female) is as wide or wider than the ribcage, etc.

In the begining do not be bothered that the figure can diversify widely from the above "settings", master one accepted standard first, then the variations become much easier.

I noticed that many artists are perfectionists (me included until recently) and this is a serious handicap to getting things done properly (its an artistic oxymoron).

08-02-2007, 11:00 AM
vincent: Thanks a lot! I will work on this just more and more ;) I will try to master this standards :)
I hope I am not too much perfectionist but I think when you do not see mistakes you can't do it better the next time and learn more.

Here are two brandnew images:



08-02-2007, 12:25 PM
Really nice thread here.....
The anatomical works are really good! The last two pieces show the improvement.....

keep up the great work!!


08-02-2007, 05:38 PM
rdsarna: Thanks a lot :)

Here is another skull from today:

08-03-2007, 12:12 AM
Hi Trunks :)

Nice thread you have here! I really like those studies where you recycled your watercolour palette! :thumbsup: great flow and movement and feel to them. Dragons are pretty cool too ;)

Head - matching body... can be a challenge... don't know if it helps, but when drawing figures I always seem to start with the shoulder - doing the torso plus arms/legs area and adding the head later.

keep posting and keep enjoying the process!
a. :)

08-06-2007, 06:27 PM
Frejasphere: Thanks a lot :) I am trying to start with the torso now ... I really have to learn so much more :) I am already sitting on a torso study but I am not getting it down right :(

I had not much time to draw the last three days... it was very warm here and I played beachvolleyball with my friends the whole days ;)

I made a quick "mastercopy" of the Human Torch, one of Marvels comic characters. I had an artbook of Gabriel dell Otto who is a great artist. I made a study of one of his images. Well I was a little tired when I started so I could not get the hand down and cheated a flame as the hand ;)

Today I did a hand study again ...

08-07-2007, 05:26 AM
great work man!
more please :D

08-07-2007, 05:56 PM
Thanks Johan, here are two new pieces ;)

First one is a study from the same marvel artbook. The second one is a self potrait ;) More to come tomorrow :)


08-07-2007, 06:02 PM

WOW:thumbsup: i really like the creatively done portraits by you:bounce:

08-09-2007, 02:24 AM
HEY ...Thomas ....:)

On your hand drawing, the outter edge of the hand, and the wrist, is a bit thin...that edge on the hand, should be wider where it meets the wrist. If you are interested in hands, but are having problems with them, ..I highly..highly recommend getting Burne Hogarth's DRAWING DYNAMIC HANDS...best book on the fundamentals of good solid hand drawing book that is out there..I would be totally lost still, when it comes to hands, if I did not get and study that book years ago.
He makes it easier in that book, to visulize the hands in every action and from every angle, and to be able to do it without a model, if one is not availible to you...FANTASTIC BOOK..:bounce: :thumbsup: :)

KEEP GOING THOMAS..Your work is really starting to reach a higher level ...just takes a lot of practice, on a regular basis..which you already know of coure,..but some things are just worth repeating..:thumbsup:

08-09-2007, 09:30 AM
CgIcecube: Thanks a lot :) I hope you keep on enjoying it ;)

Glenn: LoL I wrote your name and forgot to answer ... I just posted ... haha ... as I said before I am trying to get all Hogath books in one book ... I hope I can get this book the next week ... I am going to do the hand better the next time ... :) Keep on watching and I am keeping on going *gg*

Here are the pieces from yesterday ... this was done after I finished a longer piece in my art school ... I was finished and did this quick nose studies in 10minutes or so. Just because I had nothing to do and had to wait for a friend to get finished so we could go home :D I could not take the image home because it was very raining.

Again a marvel character, done after an artwork by dell Otto again ... Black Panther I heared ^^

Here is a study of his hand

08-09-2007, 10:35 AM
Hey trunks,

great work on the comic hand study, man! Keep that kind of work up!


08-10-2007, 09:09 PM
Hi everybody!

Mu: Thanks man! I'll try to keep it up :)

Today my figure drawing class started ... so I was the first time there. The figure drawing class I was before was only a three day figure drawing class ... so from now on I'll be post every week some new stuff from a life modell :D
The time for the poses was: 2minutes, 3minutes, 5minutes and 10 minutes. After one hour we made a break and I swithed from pencil to charcoal...
I still have one more drawing here ... I could not get a nice photo of it ... I'll have to make a new one tomorrow when the sun shines ... I also have another self-potrait as human torch ... I could also not take a good photo of it ... so I'll post this tomorrow,too :)

now ... ENJOY my first attempts at the figure drawing class :)







08-10-2007, 09:12 PM








08-10-2007, 10:13 PM
Hey Thomas,

Indeed you did well for a first class of Figure Drawing. Today I had an opportunitie to draw from life (first time, too). Man, it´s hard, for a 2 minutes sketch you did a lot. :)

And about your charcoals drawing, I really enjoyed the #9, #10 and #11. Interesting how the smudge of the charcoal add personallity to the picture. Really like it.

Keep drawing. You´re doing well.

08-11-2007, 10:08 AM
Agnaldo, Thanks ! Yes it is awesome how fast you have to work in 2 minutes the first time ... I'll work with charcoal the next time again ... I also like this way of painting and want to experiment with it a little more :)

Here is the last missing piece, I don't like the photo ... many details are missing because everything looks black:

Here is the self-potrait as the human torch ... maybe I'll work on this a little bit more I am not completely happy with it:

08-11-2007, 12:00 PM
HEY ...Thomas ...:thumbsup:

GREAT first live model drawing session...looks like the charcoals are your strongest suit of cards to play...you might try taking a soft cloth, and rubbing out some lighted areas on the darker figures, which I like very much by the way...experiment in class with rubbing and smudging those charcoals, in the figure, and also along parts of it's edges here and there..you can get some really nice effects and moods that way...a good thing to become master of while working with charcoals..soft cloth ..:)
Looking forward to seeing lots more of those studies...:thumbsup:

08-16-2007, 08:35 AM
Heja Glenn, thanks a lot! Next time I am going to try to smudge some places with a big brush ... I wanted to try this the last time but forgot my brush, so tomorrow I'll try this way ;)
I am doing the pencil stuff before the break ... this means the 2,3 and first 5minutes series. after the break we do 3times 10minutes and 5times 5minutes... this is where I am experimenting with charcoals or maybe sometime other stuff ... I am using the pencil for some quick studies and to warm up :)

I was a little lazy the last days... the weather outside was to great to not do some sports ;)

But today it is raining so I present to you Daredevil ... I had an picture of him in my mind but it is made from imagination ... which everybody can see I think ;)


08-16-2007, 08:56 AM
Skull in #184 is my favourite so far. Really great job, especially on lighting.

Character in your last post is also very good. Blue in the background adds so much to this painting :thumbsup:

08-16-2007, 11:48 AM
Hi ...Thomas ..:)

You caught a really nice dynamic pose in that last one ....:applause: :thumbsup:
On his extended forarm..right side of drawing,...make an X from the wrist to the elbow joint..this will devide the muscle groups in that area...When the thumb is facing in towards the figure, those long forarm bones overlap, createing an X that devides the forarm into it's seperate muscle planes...The bone that leads to the outside of the elbow, from the inside of the wrist, ..will lay on top of the bone that runs from the outside of the wrist, and goes to the inside of the elbow....Missing that X in your guys forarm...looks like it is split down the middle from the elbow to the wrist at the moment..just something to keep in mind for your next one...:)

08-16-2007, 12:12 PM
Hi Thomas!

Doing well I see. I'm so jealous you go to a figure drawing class!! Pity my city is too lame to have one of those. Well, this will push your skills further a lot. And still continuing with sps, great. How many have you done already?
Keep pushing that imagination with those paintings like the daredevil.
I like the selfportrait on black paper with white chalk. Looks evil, lol. I should've opened your mouth and you would have a poster for The Grudge, haha. Oh, how I love those Korean, Japanese horror movies.
Ah, ok, keep going mate!

08-16-2007, 02:55 PM
Hi Trunks

Great to see you going into figure drawing classes - so much fun! and great practice too!
It's good to do the shorter studies, they help you loosen up and make you look more at the model than at the paper, which is a great thing :)

keep it up!

a. :)

08-16-2007, 07:23 PM
Cecill: Thanks dude! I have done another skull in this technique today ... I hope you enjoy it :) I am also trying to do some more character stuff!

Glenn: Thanks a lot! Next time I am going to do this X! Always nice to get some advice that helps understanding the anatomy better :) thanks dude! Nice to hear you are enjoying this progress :) It is a pleasure to make other people happy ;)

razz: I am hoping that this figure drawing class is going to push my skills... we'll see. I have never younted my sp's but sureley they are coming :D I think I am at ~30 now. I'll try to count them tomorrow! I am going to attempt to draw more from imagination now from time to time... I really forgot how much fun this is :)
Sorry I don't even now horror films ... I hate them :D I never watched one till end ... I always say "No, I don't like this stuff" when my friends want to watch one ;) But it seems like I like to draw this evil stuff from time to time, thanks for stopping here!

Anette: Thanks! Yeah this figure drawing class really is MY THING .... I LOVE to draw quick sketches ... I always did ... it is realy enjoyment when I can watch the model and do my quick strokes or erases at the paper ... really great!

Here is something more ...


08-17-2007, 01:33 PM
Man, that glass skull is cool! :eek:
Do you have a bigger version of the pic? I would love to have it as a wallpaper to my computer :)
The self-portrait-Human-Torch thigny looks good too. You should maybe soften the border of the face and the flames a bit, but I guess its not ready.

Hope to see more soon :D

08-17-2007, 01:49 PM
Hey Thomas!
Great attempt at life drawing.....I'm really struggling with drawing from life......
I love the Daredevil, its really dynamic and your sp is very innovative :thumbsup:

The last skull is very beautiful...keep up the gr8 work....

08-18-2007, 11:35 AM

Jho: Thanks a lot :) Yes I'll work a little bit more on the human torch sp soon. Here you have the skull in the biggest version I can upload at the moment, just take it and make what you need of it: http://www.abload.de/img/skullblv.jpg

ratul: Thanks :) Yeah drawing from life is a hard thing ... but it is very important to train this ... drawing from fotos is not this good as drawing from life ... fotos are just simply dead ... real figures not :)

Here is my figure drawing stuff from yesterday... we worked 3minutes, 5 minutes and 10minutes. The poses the model showed were really hard to draw. I think I had problems with nearly every pose ... hard work but there is no other way to learn it ;)







08-18-2007, 11:37 AM
part two...












08-18-2007, 12:03 PM
HEY ....Thomas ...:applause: :thumbsup:

That skull is GREAT, and the lighting on it is SUPERB ..:bounce:
GREAT use of color on that lioness also ..:thumbsup:
Those toned figures at the end...very strong images:applause:
...GREAT JOB..AND PROGRESS ...Thomas ...:thumbsup:



08-18-2007, 04:38 PM
Here you have the skull in the biggest version I can upload at the moment, just take it and make what you need of it: http://www.abload.de/img/skullblv.jpg

Thanks alot man. it looks awesome!

08-18-2007, 05:34 PM
really nice study's considering the time, I like #7, #10 and #13 the most. Are you in artschool or is this just a class you are taking?

08-20-2007, 10:11 AM
Glenn: Thanks a lot, yeah more to come ;) I am working one the next piece ;)

Jho: No problem, hey you know ... I uploaded this piece on deviantart .... and well ... after one day it become featured by something they have there ... I am not really interrested in deviantart and I didn't expected even one comment ... I just want to have some of my images together to show them people who want to see them, I can find the measily there .... but that was really funny to log in again and see this featuring ;) Here is the link, read the first comment: http://the-student.deviantart.com/art/Skull2-62540009

Cyanid: This is a class I am taking. We are meeting with 4-7 artists every friday and are doing a 2hours figure drawing session from a model. I am new in this group now but the people there are very nice ... and old ;) I think the all are about 60 years old and I am 20 :) We have a lot of models, so you will see a different person every week I think ;) Also male models.

Here is a piece I did yesterday ... I lost my motivation but I like how unfinished this looks now ^^ The right leg is really worse ...


08-20-2007, 12:42 PM
Hi ...Thomas ..:thumbsup:
GREAT technique on that last one...:thumbsup: maybe just a hint of some of that blueish reflexted light where her thigh interlaces back into her lower hip muscle..minor, and just a passing thought..:)
Great to hear about your figure drawing sessions....Age is all just a relitive thing...HEY,..think of all the combined years of experiance in those sessions that you can draw knowlage from..A DEEP WELL FOR SURE...:thumbsup: :)

08-20-2007, 03:08 PM
Hi Thomas,

Just to tell you the last piece is really eye-catching. Love how you caught the highlights on the model. :)

My Sketchbook (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=200&t=524986)

08-20-2007, 04:00 PM
Glenn: Thanks a lot :) Yeah I don't think bad of the age of that guys at my figure drawing class ... I think I can really learn a lot from their experience ... at the end of the 2hour session we are going into a restaurant talking to each other and helping. This is really great! Before we leave we all watch the images of the other and try to give feedback... very nice and helpful people :)

angelicvoice: Thanks :) But this is not a model, just a piece done fro ma reference foto, I forgot to write ;)

Here are some more tests with this technique ... just playing around and trying what I can do with this. All from reference:

08-22-2007, 10:34 AM
OK ... GET READY ... for ... the WORST piece I have ever done:
(By the way: the foto is bad also oh and before I forget... this one is not finished yet... spidey has his web ... even if you can't see it yet ;))

This piece has let me fall into a deep hole ... really I am not joking ... I am just at a point again where I ask myself what I want with my art. I am missing the story telling effect in all my pieces ... my artworks don't help the people to think... I want to learn this again how to tell a good story in a piece ;) I don't want to be every piece a storytelling one but from time to time ... now my problem is ... I have no idea what to do ... everything I have done the last year or so was drawing from life or reference even when I did some piece from mind, like the Daredevil piece.... it was only 50% mine ... so it's Daredevil not Trunksdevil. I think you understand my problem, if not I can explain it to you again better ;) Well... we'll see what I come up with next ... I am totally sure it will be a human pose just telling nothing :D

Thanks for reading and watching everybody :)

08-22-2007, 11:32 AM
HEY ...Thomas......LOL.....STUDY THE OLD MASTERS...:scream: .....RUBENS IS A GOOD ONE TO START WITH...LOL :twisted:

08-22-2007, 01:30 PM
Sorry Glenn, I don't get it ^^

Just a little update on the spidey... he is becoming more worse ... I am not sure what to do next... even I don't like this piece I want to push it more... I think this could help me to get a new direction of drawing for myself ... working on the background or so ... I don't know ...


08-22-2007, 05:07 PM
Hey Thomas!
I don't think that the spidey is dat bad....it has the essence and style of the spiderman!

What you're talking about (storytelling) is a very mysterious thing(what I've come to believe)....If you make a painting with a story in your mind and try to portray that story in the painting....you'll get a result which to you is in accordance with what was in your mind but that painting might not convey the same story to every person!! Every individual has his own perception and he/she may percieve your painting in a different way!

Another point which I believe is that a full story is difficult to convey by only showing a single figure and nothing else.....A story can be felt in a COMPOSITION and that is where RUBEN's studies come in(what Glenn was saying).....I have seen a lot of his paintings and I can find my own story in all of them!

And while drawing a figure alone, what I've learnt and heard, is that if a person sees your drawing and can tell the mood of the figure and what's in his/her mind then your drawing is successful....it tells a story of its own....

Hope I didn't say anything wrong.....coz I'm just a beginner.....


08-22-2007, 07:46 PM
Ratul: Thanks ;) I still don't like the spidey ;) What I mean with storytelling is ... I just want to draw images with some deeper story in it ... not just doing things with reference or doing simple potraits ... I'll let you know when I think I have done something I was talking about. But thanks for the advices, I know what you are talking of ... I think maybe I really need to do some more speedpainting stuff again ... there is always some storytelling part in this pieces ;)

Today I did some charcoal stuff from a display dummie, I wanted to train my charcoal figure drawing abilities ... I like how it turned out :)
Each of them is about 20-30minutes... I took the time which I needed ;)





08-22-2007, 07:54 PM
Hi Thomas.

Mm, so you're in that class among older people, I think that's great. The atmosphere must be great for drawing there. And maybe you can learn some stuff from them too.
About the technique you used for these last drawings. You have to be carefull not to overdo the white areas. See, because you blend the white, it tends to look as if it glows.
The life drawings are getting better. Ah, I'm still jealous about you going to a life drawing class, haha :D
Keep them coming!

08-23-2007, 09:50 AM
Hi ...Thomas ..:)
That last one posted ...strong image and technique...:thumbsup:
I was thinking alot about what it takes to tell a story in visual form, while I was falling off to sleep last night..What does falling have to do with sleep anyway...must be a hidden meaning, or long lost or forgotten story in there somewhere...:scream:
Anyway..What I meant when I said ..STUDY the OLD MASTERS, is that they lived in a time when the majority of the population was unable to read,..and this made the visual form of story telling very important for comunication..used mostly by POWER to influence the illiterate ..Michelanglio's Last Judgement comes to mind.
Of course the world was still small then as compared to now, and most of the stories had to do with regonal affairs and cultures who understood the visual language and SYMBOLS of their culture...Bosh comes to mind...
Those are just two western artist....It doesn't take in to account the many other cultures around the planet, ..like INDIA, CHINA, JAPAN, ECT. ECT., WHO FOR SURE told their own stories of their beliefs and cultures through visual comunication, and had their fair share of OLD MASTERS doing their story telling also.
I do believe it is possable to tell a story with one figure, ..if you combine that one figure with a powerful SYMBOL...say for instance,..the EARTH..If you were to put a huge sadistic looking charater standing on a globe/EARTH, and have him whipping the EARTH to shredes, like it was his own personal beast of burden, while holding a bloodied whip in his hand...then I believe that you will have created a visual story that is clear, and can be understood by all of those who view it, whether they be literate or illeterate ...Another one could be if you put a single starving child along the side of a road, and had a long black limosine drive by with it's windows shut...I beleive the image could be read loud and clear by anyone, whether literate, or illiterate ..That's just a couple of examples where one figure combined with a STRONG SYMBOL can tell a story, using visual form without words...A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSEND WORDS ....SOMETIMES, IN SOMEPLASES ..:)
Didn't mean to ramble on, ..just a few thoughts that entered my mind while FALLING ASLEEP .. LAST NIGHT ...:eek: :)
Might help you in some way....TIME WILL TELL....THE STORY....:scream: :)

08-25-2007, 11:00 AM
Hey razz, you're invited to come here whenever you have the chance and join me for one time going to the figure drawing ;) Yes I can learn a lot from the older people, they are all artists and earning their money with art. I attempted a liltte more with the charcoal yesterday at the figure drawing class.... do you think it looks like they are glowing? I like this way of drawing but I don't want them to glow :)

Glenn, thanks! Also for your thought! Very nice that you have made your own thoughts about my problems :) Yeah don't know what falling into sleep means :D Maybe like falling into another world? Like dreams are ? But no idea where this comes from ... it is also a problem for me to write everything in english ;) IMAGES ARE MULITLANGUAABLE ^^
You are totally right, one can tell a story with one figure ... but I never drawed a symbol? :D That's what I was talking about ... I should start to draw this symbols again or more than one character ... I want to do this again ... we'll see how it works ... I am just trying to get back into it :) Also drawing more from imagination ... you are right ... time will show and tell the story ... and looking into this thread... time will tell my story :)
Thanks again Glenn for the nice comment, very interresting and inspiring!

Here is my figure drawing stuff from yesterday :


08-25-2007, 11:02 AM










08-25-2007, 11:03 AM
and the rest ...



08-25-2007, 12:24 PM
:thumbsup: Hi ...Thomas ...:)

A real pleasure seeing these studies...:thumbsup: ...Some are better than others,..that's to be expected, and is normal..:)
#11 is my favorite,....but # 12 has some things going on it it that are really beautiful, end very interesting to look at and see...ATMOSPHERE, MYSTERY..Makes my imagination come to life,...to fill in the figure...and play in it's own way,...which is always fun for me, the viewer,... to experiance the experience...:scream: :)
KEEP UP THE GREAT PROGRESS ...Thomas ....:applause: A real pleasure seeing it..:thumbsup:

08-26-2007, 02:12 PM
Glenn: Thanks :) Very nice to read what you are feeling about #12 ... I really am aiming all the time for an reaction like yours, thanks! It seems like this was the first time it worked :)

Here is another self-potrait with charcoal ... I am training this a little more ;)


08-26-2007, 05:23 PM

not much to say but I have noticed for quite a while how you never tire of posting in people's thread, giving thoughtful c&c and just being an active member around here and ..erm... yea...

Kudos for that, man!


08-27-2007, 06:50 PM
Hey Mu, thanks a lot, I am giving my best to help others in improving... just the same as all the others do :) But nice you took notice :)

Here is something from today ... a piece with scribbles from imagination ... just working on my plan to do more stuff from imagination now again ... oh and a self-potrait :)
Hope you guys like it ... enjoy! :)


08-27-2007, 10:29 PM
ohh nice self-portraits! My favourite is the watercolor one, it looks amazing.

08-31-2007, 07:43 PM
Hi Thomas.

I thought I'd stop by to give you some inspiration. I was looking at the artwork of on of my favorite artists, Andrew Jones (the one who made 1000 portraits). I must say I found some amazing pieces. I was especially happy to see his SPs bigger. If you go to conceptart.org forum and in the search enter Android to find the threads he has created you will see lots and lots of them with dates and numbers. There's where his SPs lie. It's not that 1000 sp poster, where you can only see little thumbs of each portrait. I tell you, seeing them bigger is a whole lot more fantastic.
Gotta love that guy for the art he creates.
Just thought seeing his SPs would give you some (many really) ideas about style and how to make a real eye-candy and more artistic too. I am keen to try and do some SPs myself, both traditional and digital.
Just sharing what inspired me a lot. I hope you'll find it useful.

09-01-2007, 04:10 PM
VincereCaos: Thanks a lot! Glad you like it :D

razz:Yeah Androind Jones is also one of my favourite artist. I have seen maybe all of the 1000th selfpotraits in bigger size :) Maybe you are right and I should take a look at some of them again to get inspired :D But I am looking forward to your SP's !

I would like to ask you guys what you think of creating a real sketchbook (what I mean is something on paper, the real world, nothing digital :D) which we send from one to the other through the world ... where everyone paints something in it and at the end we have a GREAT book with GREAT pieces from ALL OVER THE WORLD! I have no idea what this would cost to send something from europe to the america, asia or australia but I think this should not be too much. My idea was to buy a sketchbook, with watecolor paper... I think this paper is good because you can work with everything on it. When you want to use different colored paper you can glue it in the book. And then start sending it, maybe we could create a group where all members buy a sketchbook and we send it in a circle so at the end everybody has one of this sketchbooks of his own. That's just an idea, what you guys think of it? Is there some interrest? Some ideas how we can make it better? Just please tell me ;)

Ok now to the artworks ...
New imaginational stuff, really worse...

Poses from imagination ... from my first attempts to my third, I have not started a fourth yet:

And here are some caricature potrait attempts ... I really suck at caricatures ... but I have to tell you that I had no idea what to do at a caricature when I did this stuff ... I'll do some new and better ones:

09-01-2007, 04:13 PM


This girl suddenly appeared and disappeared, no idea who she was :D 10minutes:

Here are my new figure drawing pieces from yesterday, this time we had a male model, for me the first time a male model so I had some problems at the beginning. They are ordered in the time we had forthe pose:
5times 3minutes
5times 5minutes
3times 10 minutes
5times 5minutes






09-01-2007, 04:21 PM








09-02-2007, 01:18 PM
Two more caricature attempts... I really suck at caricatures ... so I'll leave it to this attempts and go on to something else ;)


09-02-2007, 02:15 PM
Hi ...Thomas ...:)

GREAT UPDATES ... ....There are things that I like in all of them ...:)
The little guy hanging by a thread off the glasses...GREAT.:scream:
Your line is getting much better in all of those little figures..might try letting it go right through the figure in different areas, just to keep from falling into the outline trap..just a passing thought..:)
My favorites are your toned charcoal drawings...Those are all ..GREAT, and very EXPRESSIVE..You are developeing a GREAT technique, and style in those,:applause: so for sure do LOTS MORE OF THEM ..:thumbsup:
I remember having a life drawing class with a live model, years ago ,where the teacher had us use a sumi brush, and watercolor on a pad of good quality watercolor paper...we did the kind of work that you did on those charcoal drawings of yours...but instead of charcoals, we used bright watercolors and the sumi brush...we also used a small block of black ink with the sumi brush on watercolor paper...got some GREAT effects with the bright colors, and alo some GREAT effects with the black ink....You might give those a try in your figure drawing class.
Use the sumi brush and see if you can get the same atmospheric effect with it, that you are getting with those charcoals...GREAT FUN, and can produce GREAT results with a little practice...just a passing thought.:)
I love the idea of the sketchbook floating around the planet by the way.
Deffinetly a fun idea... :thumbsup: ...would be a very valuble book/books as time went by,...for sure...:)
KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK, AND GREAT PROGRESS...Thomas...always a REAL pleasure seeing BOTH...:thumbsup:

09-02-2007, 05:52 PM
Moin Trunks!

The anatomy stuff is awesome, I especially like the #8, has a great feeling to it. Your figures tended to be a bit short, but it seems you have gotten that fixed :D
I'm trying to recognice the carricatures...
Scharzennegchergbzzzerrr, Chris Rock? aaannd, Cameron Diaz?

BTW. Thanks for the comment on my sketchbook.

Keep going, looks really good :)

09-06-2007, 08:47 PM
Hi everybody,
first of all... I made a caricature of Will Smith and Angelina Jolie ;) But I really suck at caricatures so I'll leave this stuff to a friend of mine who did an awesome caricature of me... I'll show it to you when he sends me the foto ;)

Just to let you know, I have a little less time to be online and study all threads, my father is becoming 50years old next week and we have to finish our renovation here. So I have to do a lot of work ;) And something more: I have started a new attempt on doing one selfpotrait a day. I could convince razz to do the same ... so we are attempting to reach one week of self potraits ;) We atarted yesterday, so I have 2 self-potraits to show you all today. I am trying to do this SP's at the end of a day so I can work up my experiences from the day.

Glenn: I bought myself some ink today ... I added my VERY FIRST attempts AND I made my selfpotrait with ink today ;) Thanks for your advices, I'll try ink at my figure drawing class the next week. I want to do some more stuff with charcoal tomorrow and do some more attempts with ink before I start ink at my figure drawing class :) But I don't know what a sumi brush is, can you show me a picture of this?

I am going to plan this world sketchbook the next week, after my fathers birthday, when I have some more time to concentrate on this things more :)
Thanks for your advices and ideas! Very nice to read everytime! Keep them coming please.

Jho: Thanks ! I hope I can handle the problem with the short figures now... but I am not sure, I am doing my best!

I hope razz is reading this, here is my sp from yesterday (so in fact this is not really myself ... ):

Here is my very first attempt on ink, I bought brown ink, because I like the look of it...

Here is my SP for today, done with ink. I like the look and feel of it ... even I did some mistakes ... like the shadow under the nose which looks like a beard ... that was not planned and I feel ashamed on what it reminds me ...

09-06-2007, 09:43 PM
Of course I'm reading this. Why is yesterday's SP not really yourself?
One suggestion I might give is to be more free with the linework. Don't try to draw an upper lip with one line and the lower lip with another line, be loose, just scribble without raising the pencil from the paper very often. Looks at some Android's SPs where he useda pencil, in some it seems that he didn't raise a pencil until the head was finished, which really gives that freedom and nice lineflow, despite that he's more experienced and stuff. I try to do these sps without measuring, I'm just eyeballing everything and feeling free.
I like the look of the brown ink too. Hmm, I only got black ink, but it will work when I'll decide to do a SP with ink.
OK, let's continue, tomorrow another SP awaits to be painted :D Now I'll go to sleep, school's tomorrow too...

09-06-2007, 10:41 PM
Hi ...Thomas..:)

I like the ink work so far..GREAT for a first try...:thumbsup:
A SUMI BRUSH is a brush that originated in CHINA or JAPAN a long long time ago..When you get a chance, check out some books from the library on ancient CHINESE, and JAPANESE ART....You should be able to find lots and lots of GREAT examples of it's use. They used it alot for painting on silk with inks..landscapes, figures, anamals ect,.and also all of the caligraphy/writing was and is done using the sumi brush...GREAT SIMPLE BRUSH, that can achive great results when mastered.. ...Very inexpensive also...and can be found in most art stores :)
It basically is a long handled brush..the handle being made from a piece of hollow bamboo...the bristles are long horse hairs I think, and are shaped to come to a fine point at the tip . The shape of the brush is like an hour glass, fat and round in the middle, narrowing to a fine pointed tip that only one grain of sand could fit through.
The idea is to really dip or saturate the brush with ink, holds alot without dripping...then you can get a supper fine neddle tipped line with the point of the brush, and at the same time and in the same stroke, just by pressing into the canvas a little harder, the fine line can merge and become or form into a broad brush stroke..They come in different sizes...I like the bigger ones better myself...more expressive when you stand at arms length from the canvas..broader strokes...If used on water color paper, or silk, the ink spreds out and gives some GREAT ATMOSPHEREIC EFFECTS...then you go into it with the GREAT varyable line and broad stroke in one stroke brushwork that it can achive when mastered..Some of the old CHINESE MASTERS could paint a whole bamboo plant with just a single brushstroke with a ink loaded sumi brush..same thing was done when painting people and anamals ..ALOT EASIER SAID THAN DONE..:scream: :)
Hope this explanation helps some....KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK Thomas...I am sure that you and RAZZ will wear each other into the dirt ...but you will be learning a whole lot from each other at the same time...which is what it's all about...KEEP GOING..:thumbsup:

09-07-2007, 05:17 PM
Hey Thomas.....
Amazing amount of work man....!! :thumbsup: Keep it up...
and the hardwork is paying off....Awesome updates....the stuff from imagination a few posts back is showing real progress!!
Keep at it....


09-08-2007, 11:11 AM
razz: Thanks for the great advice! I have to attempt it this way! We don't know how it works till I tried it ... so ... let's wait and see ;)
My SP of "yesterday" is not myself because I look like someone else ;) The only thing that fit's is my hair ... my hair was so funny so I decided to draw it this way ;)

Glenn: Thanks a lot for your explenation! I will take a look for this sumi brush. I have to buy some new paper so I'll take the chance and hopefully buy a sumi brush. Normally I also use a bigger brush, I can work better with the bigger size ... the small brushes are better for drawing not for painting. Nice to know you following me and razz's at your progress and attempts at this sp's :) Thanks a lot Glenn, for this explenation and for being there and watching about us ;)

Ratul: Thanks a lot, I hope there is some progress and of course I'll keep at it! :D

Here is my new stuff from my figure drawing class, next time I'll leave the charcoal at home and attempt on something new ... I don't know what so we all will see:




09-08-2007, 11:14 AM
EDIT, sorry posting mistake :(

09-08-2007, 11:15 AM








Here is my sp from yesterday ... I did it after the figure drawing class ... so I was a little tired ... but I wanted to do a new attempt on the ink ... I used a little different technique this time ... but I like the first way of working with it more :)

09-08-2007, 02:09 PM
Thanks man.
Actually I'm not learning german, not anymore anyways. I lived there for 6 monhts some years ago (in Flensburg). Sorry to hear my german has gotten so bad I make mistakes with two words :D
I really have to try and speak more german, I really like the language, and I might loose it if I don't keep it up.
Actually, I'm pretty sure I have been to Essen a couple of times. I think I went through it when I visited a friend of mine near Frankfurt a couple of years ago, wonder if I saw you and had no idea :D

The last post is awesome, the portrait really looks good :eek:
I just love the watered look, the shadow under the nose for example.
The nose looks a bit small, but I think thats just because of the shadow. Nice work :thumbsup:

09-08-2007, 03:32 PM
Seems like you are learning quickly thanks to your life drawing classes.
I had a meeting with my teacher last week and I will be able to draw from live models from may 2008. From Sep 2008 it will be 2 years of life drawing constantly :)

So I'm a bit jealous now and quite unpatient to be honest hehe.

09-09-2007, 08:03 PM
Jho: Yeah no idea, maybe I hold the door of the elevator open for you ;) Or I helped you to find your way... who knows ;)
I am looking after some good German film/book, do you like funny films? I think there are only funny film's who are good in german, I don't know of an succesfull serious movie.

Yes I also think the nose is this small because of the shadow ... but maybe you are right and the nose is a litleb it too small ;) I mosttimes make the eyes to big ^^

Johan: Thanks ;) I hope my figure drawing class is not the reason for my improvement but the more time I have now to spent for art ;) Figure drawing is a lot of fun, great to hear you will have the chance to do the same i nthe next year. I am seachring a second figure drawing group now ... one is at wednesday but not in my town ...

Here is my SP for yesterday, I made this one at night, after working on my new appartment and after taking a shower ... right before going to bed. I never had this great feeling of myself at an self-potrait before ... so I think this SP is the one which is the most myself, at the moment. Today's SP is not finished yet, I will post it tomorrow, hopefully ...

09-09-2007, 08:25 PM
Seeing these last SPs done with brown ink reminds me of works of the old masters. Especially the one with the hatching. How big are you doing these? It might help making them little, something like A5 or A4 if you're going for a fast SP. I think what could improve your SPs is adding some reflected light. I believe it would add some depth. Increasing the contrast may help too to make things pop out. Also, you should watch the edges. They add a lot to the piece and putting a hard, firm or soft edge in one place or another changes a lot. Squint :)

Good luck with your other SPs! Looking forward to seeing the next one.

09-10-2007, 05:47 PM
I really like your gesture sketches where you used tone instead of lines to make the form since it makes the eye finish the rest of the figure, I like that effect
I like your ink self portrait, I agree with spiritdreamer, look at some ancient chinese paintings, they were done completely in ink and they are beautiful. How to books are really good too, since they sometimes have a how to make a realistic portrait with chinese ink section.
:bounce: keep it up!

09-10-2007, 07:15 PM
Hi Trunks, those are really nice figure drawings! Interesting effect you get there. Keep it up!

09-13-2007, 11:23 AM
Sorry for not having the time to check and comment all your threads at the moment, as I hopefully told you I moved into a new appartment, one lever higher. Now I have a great new place for my art! Today is my fathers 50. birthday and he is going for a big party tomorrow ... I hope I can check out all your threads at the weekend ...

razz: I made them in A3 size ... my first one was done on a A2 paper but in A4 size (I erased all place on the right and left digital). You are totally right, I should work with reflected light ... this is something I should begin to learn now! Would be nice if you help to force me thinking more about reflected light! I think I forgot to write that the last sp with ink was done only with the light of my desktop, so there possibly was no reflected light :) I had attempted on looking at the edges ... no idea if it worked?

VincerCaos: Glad to hear you like my work :) I am going to work a little more with ink when I have more time ... at the moment my time is nearly not there ... but it will come :)

batte812: Thanks a lot! Great to hear you like them :)

Now for the art ... I thought from now on ... I am going to do one sp every day... digital ! I think it could be very effective to find myself and my own style and way of painting ... no idea if it will work but I hope. What you think?

Recycling one palatte... I suddenly saw this clown and sketched him:

I was tired and had not the power to look into the mirror so I drawed what I was able to see:

Attempting on this technique ... very tired ...

I had no mirror so I tried to use the SP from the day before as reference ... but there were to many mistakes, I decided doing this digital would be the best. I am not very happy with it ...

One new attempt at doing a digital sp, Ishould force myself to work with bigger sizes because this is the original size ... I like the skind but I don't like the eyes ...