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05-21-2006, 05:33 AM


OFDW 017: May 21 - June 18th, 2006

Welcome to the SEVENTEENTH thread of the Open Figure Drawing Workshop!!!

This workshop is open to any medium and any style. Some informal moderation
will be gladly provided by Rebecca Kimmel ~ however, the purpose of the
Workshop is for Artists to interact with and informally critique one another’s work.

Due to the popularity and outstanding success of the previous Master Copy Workshops, we will be continuing this week with another Master Copy Workshop! This week we will be working from a choice of 6 new Master Paintings by Sorolla, Zorn, Leon, and 2 Photographs courtesy of Hong Ly:

Note: This Workshop will last 4 weeks.

Reference Sources:
www.artrenewal.org (http://www.artrenewal.org)

Hong Ly Reference Photos can be found here:
www.characterdesigns.com (http://www.characterdesigns.com)

Choice 1: (See below for links)

Joaquin Sorolla y Bastida (1863-1923)
Un arabe examinando una pistola [An Arab Examining a Pistol]
Oil on canvas, 1881

>>LINK 1<< (http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=7418) >>LINK 2 (Same Reference as LINK 1)<< (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20017/01_Sorolla_Un-arabe.jpg)

Choice 2: (See below for links)

Joaquin Sorolla y Bastida (1863-1923)
Tres cabezas de estudio [Three head studies]
Oil on linen, 1887

>>LINK 1<< (http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=15320) >>LINK 2 (Same Reference as LINK 1)<< (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20017/02_Sorolla_Tres-cabezas.jpg)

Choice 3: (See below for links)

Joaquin Sorolla y Bastida (1863-1923)
Beach at Valencia
Oil on canvas, 1908

>>LINK 1<< (http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=29102) >>LINK 2 (Same Reference as LINK 1)<< (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20017/03_Sorolla_Beach.jpg)

Choice 4: (See below for links)

Anders Zorn (1860-1920)
Oil on canvas, 1898

>>LINK 1<< (http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=7392) >>LINK 2 (Same Reference as LINK 1)<< (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20017/04_Zorn_Mona.jpg)

Choice 5: (See below for links)

Jean-Léon Gérôme (1824-1904)
Black Bashi-Bazouk
Oil on canvas, c.1869

>>LINK 1<< (http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=126) >>LINK 2 (Same Reference as LINK 1)<< (Updated - Larger) (http://www.artunframed.com/images/newart/Black_Bashi-Bazouk.jpg) thanks to hiiri for the link!

Choice 6: (See below for links)

Jean-Léon Gérôme (1824-1904)
Pelt Merchant of Cairo
Oil on canvas, 1869

>>LINK 1<< (http://www.artrenewal.com/asp/database/image.asp?id=89&hires=1) >>LINK 2 (Same Reference as LINK 1)<< (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20017/06_Leon_Pelt-Merchant.jpg)

Choice 7: (See below for links)

Hong Ly Reference Photo 1 - Female Nude:

>>LINK<< (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20017/07_Hong-Ly-Photo.jpg)

Choice 8: (See below for links)

Hong Ly Reference Photo 2 - Female Nude:

>>LINK<< (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20017/08_Hong-Ly-Photo2.jpg)



1. Photographs are the property of www.artrenewal.org (http://www.artrenewal.org) and www.characterdesigns.com (http://www.characterdesigns.com).

2. The drawings created from the photo reference provided here MUST be TASTEFUL,SINCERE, RESPECTFUL, and for the purpose of serious study of the human figure. Those who post silly, disrespectful, or tasteless work will have their posts deleted immediately and will no longer be allowed to post on this thread. Rebecca Kimmel reserves the right to determine which drawings are considered to be in poor taste and / or disrespectful to the Reference used here in the OFDWs. There is NO TIME LIMIT for posting on this thread.

3. Typically, new threads containing new photographs will be posted on a bi-weekly basis ~ however, for this Workshop, 4 weeks will be allowed before the next OFDW.

4. There is NO LIMIT to the NUMBER of posts an artist may make. However, we ask that you post only your BEST WORK, even if it is considered unfinished.

5. Artists who post comments and critiques of other artists' work on this thread must be RESPECTFUL, POLITE, and offer CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM. Flaming will be NOT be tolerated, and constitutes dismissal from this and other threads.

6. I will be offering the occasional comments / critique ~ however, the main focus of the Open Figure Drawing Workshop threads should be on Group Critique and interaction. :)

7. ANY MEDIUM or STYLE may be used: Traditional or Digital Drawing or Painting, Gestural, Sketch, Finished Render, etc.

8. EDIT: 3D Artists who wish to use the reference for 3D models are free to do so. I just ask that you post your work here as well as in any 3D forum in which you post your work.

9. Please limit the SIZE of your POSTS to 800 pixels WIDTH x Appropriate pixel LENGTH. No huge posts, please!

10. Have fun, enjoy, and create great art! :)


PLEASE NOTE: WIP (Work In Progress) images are an important part of the OFDWs and are encouraged. Please DO post WIP images as you work on your pieces. :)


Tracing constitutes cheating on CGTalk, and traced work is not accepted into CGTalk's Galleries. Please freehand draw and paint. Use of a Grid is accepted. :)

EDIT: Please be sure to check out the best work from OFDW 016!

>>SPOTLIGHT: Best of OFDW 016<< (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=3565451#post3565451)

Good luck! :)


05-21-2006, 05:47 AM
This is a fantastic selection. Am all over it! I know I say it for a lot of people when I say thanks again Rebecca for pushing us to to use our creative juices. If I could, I'd pay you for you teach me more than my teachers in my art school.

05-21-2006, 06:03 AM
Thanks Queenie ~ really looking forward to this one! :) Thanks for helping me to select the images for this one! :thumbsup:



05-21-2006, 10:25 AM
This is so awesome! Wonderful selection, thank you so much!

I can't wait to get started :D I wonder which one to choose, hehe.

05-21-2006, 02:09 PM
Heya hiiri,

Can't wait to see the fantastic stuff you'll produce! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)


05-21-2006, 02:38 PM
I wish I had time to jump in one this. I am trying to finish my portfolio DVD before the Massive Black Workshop in Montreal. The date is closing in on me fast though : (

Are you going to keep at these for a while Becks?

05-21-2006, 02:44 PM

Each OFDW runs 4 weeks if we are working from a Master Copy, and 2 weeks if working from photo reference. Lately we've been doing Master Copies, and we're on the 17th installment of the OFDWs in a continuously running sequence. They'll be here for you when you return. :) I really hope you can participate in one! :thumbsup:



05-21-2006, 04:38 PM
okay cool.

Here's a start then... I was just messing around with zhuzhu's brush and settings. Maybe I can finish it someday : p


05-21-2006, 04:49 PM
Wow, Shay, super fast! Any more updates before MB? :deal:

Cheers, :)


05-21-2006, 06:11 PM
as soon as I finish OFDW16 i will start working on the Black Bashi-Bazouk I just love that piece!

05-21-2006, 06:19 PM
Vey nice se7en-z3r0, his muscles are looking real good!

Here's a quick (and rather hasty) first sketch. I just downloaded Blender and I'm playing with it!

Funny, I started doing a copy of a Bouguereau painting earlier, before I saw this thread. Now that will have to wait :D

05-21-2006, 06:35 PM

We need that final piece from you, stat! :D


Looking good, fantastic to see you aboard this one! :)



05-21-2006, 07:04 PM
Rebecca // QueenSoul ......:thumbsup: :bounce: :)


05-21-2006, 07:36 PM

Please be sure to check out the best work from OFDW 016!

>>SPOTLIGHT: Best of OFDW 016<< (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=3565451#post3565451)

Thanks to all who worked hard and contributed to OFDW 016!

Cheers, :)


05-21-2006, 07:57 PM
Thanks for putting me up there Becca! I'm in this ofcourse too, going with ref 2 for the moment. I also have a specific question; I downloaded Ghoro's brushes. But in which folder on my computer do I have to put them to be able to use them in PS? Thanks!

05-21-2006, 08:26 PM

You're welcome!

It doesn't really matter where you put your brushes ~ just make sure you know where you've put them so you can browse to them easily.

To load a library of preset brushes:

Choose one of the following from the Brush pop-up palette menu or Brushes palette menu:

Load Brushes to add a library to the current list. Select the library file you want to use, and click Load.
Replace Brushes to replace the current list with a different library. Select the library file you want to use, and click Load.
A library file (displayed at the bottom of the palette menu). Click OK to replace the current list, or click Append to append the current list.
Note: You can also use the Preset Manager to load and reset brush libraries. For more information, see Managing libraries with the Preset Manager (Photoshop).

To return to the default library of preset brushes:

Choose Reset Brushes from the Brush pop-up palette menu or Brushes palette menu. You can either replace the current list or append the default library to the current list.
Cheers, :)


05-21-2006, 08:32 PM
I think its about time I get in on some of this action.

.. I'll have to wait until work stops hassling me. :(

05-21-2006, 09:00 PM
Thanks, Rebecca. It works!

A quick start on one of the three portraits. This time I didn't do a sketch but tried to block in the masses straightaway. I tried to imitate the flashy, bold style of the portrait. I absolutely adore this guys style (and I had never heard of him before!). It took an hour or so in PS (no color picking from the original ofcourse).


05-21-2006, 09:12 PM
These are very exciting and, though I am probably the least of the artists here, I thought I would give this a try. I am between probjects at the moment. I decided on:

Jean-Léon Gérôme (1824-1904)
Black Bashi-Bazouk
Oil on canvas, c.1869

This should be very difficult for me because I am not a "painter" at all, so we shall see how I do. I mainly do RT3D models and environments :) .

BTW - Someone mentioned Ghoro's brushes ... that they downloaded them. Where would I find these? Did I miss them in this thread somewhere?

05-21-2006, 09:16 PM

Looking forward to your contribution! :)


Fantastic start, can't wait to see you develop this! :)

Dan Silverman,

Welcome aboard! Beginners are always welcome, the goal here is simply to improve with practice. :) You can find Goro's brushes here:

Sketch tutorials, hints and brushes (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=200222&highlight=goro+brushes)

Looking forward to seeing your work! Remember that this thread is about WIP, so feel free to post your work in progress pieces as you go.

Cheers, :)


05-21-2006, 09:22 PM
Thanks for the quick reply! I will give this a shot then :) .

05-21-2006, 09:26 PM
Wow Rebecca, stunning and beautiful reference choice!

And Maladie is getting better by the hour while I am stuck with a bunch of cangaroos in my australian desaster.

*shakes fists*

Fear the turk's return! (albeit probably not for this one...:cry: )

05-21-2006, 09:42 PM
Hi Rebecca,

Im new to this and really looking forward to having a go. Ive had a bash tonight but I def couldnt call it my "best"

I was wondering does using the eye dropper and sampling colour direct from the pic count as plagerism or copying or is that OK?



05-21-2006, 09:46 PM
Dan Silverman,

No problem! :)


The Workshop will continue for 4 weeks, by which time the Challenge will be over. Join us! :)


Welcome aboard! :) Typically speaking, tracing and sampling colors directly from the original source image is considered cheating. Trust me, you will learn much more by attempting to match the colors yourself. :)

Regarding Color, there are some good resources on the Anatomy Forum here:

Color Theory and The Human Figure - NUDITY (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=303793)

I encourage beginners to start with Grayscale paintings, the process is described in depth here:

TUTORIAL SUMMARY - Anatomy Review 003 Shading Tutorial - Tutorial Material Only (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=351832)

You can also see the best work from the extended version of that Workshop here:

SPOTLIGHT: Best of Anatomy Review 003: Shading Tutorial and Human Skull Exercise (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=349444)

Looking forward to seeing your work! :)



05-21-2006, 09:56 PM
:) Hi Maladie ..... Very exciting ...expressive style of painting .....GO WITH IT....:thumbsup:

MR MU....Don't be shy .....HOP ON OVER ..:scream:


05-21-2006, 10:11 PM
Here is my initial sketch ... roughly 30 minutes of work (including the interruptions of my children who wanted to know what was going on ;) ):


I have not completed the sketch (the rifle is not in there yet), but I have to head out. I will try to work on this later this evening. BTW - This sketch was done in Photoshop.

05-21-2006, 10:20 PM
Dan Silverman,

Fantastic start with this! This should be an amazing OFDW. :)



05-22-2006, 03:17 AM
Wow. Thank you!

Here is the completed initial sketch (I had to leave and complete the rifle when I got home):


Now comes the scary part (for me) ... to paint him :) .

05-22-2006, 03:31 AM
Don't have much time right now, so here's a quick thumb study. I may push it more later.


05-22-2006, 03:43 AM
I hope I am not crashing this thread. You said you wanted wips, so I thought I would post as I go (or as I reach milestones). I really want feedback as painting has never been my thing. Here is the sketch over the background:


05-22-2006, 04:36 AM
I'm pretty new to digital painting, but wanted to say 'hi' and say that I plan to join this workshop. I hope to get something posted in the next couple of days.

Now I just have to decide which piece to do!

05-22-2006, 04:41 AM
Here is where I am so far:


05-22-2006, 05:16 AM
OK. Here is where I will have to stop for the night:


05-22-2006, 05:19 AM

Great to see you start in on this! We expect you to update! :)


Welcome aboard! :)

Dan Silverman,

Wow, looking really great so far ~ looking forward to your updates. :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)


05-22-2006, 06:30 AM
I think I might have overextended myself a little here, but now that I've started I'm going to do my first attempt at a large-scale oil painting :)

this is the charcoal sketch on canvas so far (I'm still adjusting stuff here and there, but I figure I can probably correct most mistakes in the actual paint process)


05-22-2006, 09:56 AM
Couldn't resist giving this one a go ... a very rough blocked-in start in PS:


05-22-2006, 10:07 AM
Still pondering over the head studies...

05-22-2006, 12:30 PM
Rebecca, Glenn

you are right! The challenge will be over in a few days.

I had been thinking about my new drawing schedule, because I will have worked through all the previous points of my last schedule and I actually could only think of one item for the list and that was: mastercopies.
However, I collected some ninety to one hundred plates mostly by Da Vinci whiich I intend to copy over the following weeks, so I was a bit reluctant to drift from this goal by planning on joining this OFDW.

But then I noticed I would be doing mastercopies in here, too! I would still be adhering to the plan...:D

So, I am all settled. I will join in then...


when the challenge is over...:banghead:



05-22-2006, 02:41 PM
Dan its looking great.
Martin, I see you are juggling your time real good. (that load balancing we talked about;) °
Mr. Mu, glad you could join this one.
This is my first take on this piece. This is charcoal on 50X70CM charcoal paper.
My next step is to transfer it to canvas and proceed with the oil painting. I am also tempted to do this digital. So I'll think about it and see how I feel tomorrow.

05-22-2006, 02:57 PM
Cool work indeed for everyone, this will be a very competitive, Workshop, see ya soon.

05-22-2006, 03:03 PM
Hey Enrique, since I see you here I have a question. I am painting this in oil and the pallette asks for 'Van Dyke Brown'. I dont have a tube of paint called that. Do you know what I can use to substitute? Thanks.

05-22-2006, 03:29 PM

great to see so many people starting.
what can I see... Gerome :love:comin' aboard *jump*.



05-22-2006, 03:30 PM
Hello Queen, maybe you should try to mix your palette, by mixing some Red Ochre, Yellow Ochre Light and Ivory Black (the mixture should have an olive hue very close to the brown gamma), and then applying some redish color like in order to create a "pardo" hue, (some kind of brown color, but more like the Van dyke), I think that would be my suggest, excuse if my color names, are not so clear, I dont know them by the english names :D, hope this helps, really look for your progress.

Edit: Just back from internet, the name of the redish color is Red Ochre, I think you should add a little more, when you have the olive hue, :D :shrug:

Here is some of my progress, the lineart, i did this with a grids help, hope u like it.

05-22-2006, 03:52 PM
Here is my update for this morning:


05-22-2006, 04:08 PM
Hey, guys,

Awesome to see so much work so far! Back in a bit with more words...keep up the great work!

Cheers, :)


05-22-2006, 04:30 PM
i'm late, i wish i can do more homework of OFDW~~~:twisted:

something in Painter IX , but i don't know when the next one will show up...


05-22-2006, 05:00 PM
Enriquez thanks for your help. heh, turns out my charcoal drawing is a lot bigger than all the canvases I have here at home . Am gonna start the digital version of this since I have so much to do and cant afford to wait until tomorrow ;)

zhuzhu : dude I think am gonna have to use my voodoo on you and download some of your talent. :P

05-22-2006, 05:11 PM
OK! I have to stop to feed the kids lunch! So here is where I am at the moment:


05-22-2006, 05:13 PM

I really like your contribution! It looks great!

05-22-2006, 05:57 PM
Queen, you are welcome, hope that was usefull, have pass about 2 years, since my last oils painting :D.

ZhuZhu, what can I say, you are a such magnificent painter, very beutiful paint on this. :eek!:

Dan, Really looking good, keep it on going, I will look for your next update.

05-22-2006, 06:51 PM
Ellie, yours is going really good, I see some improvement over the last works, is really good.

An update with the underpainting thing.


05-22-2006, 07:30 PM
This is where I am probably going to have to stop for a while:


I know the back of the headdess looks a bit funny, but it will be covered up with the things that are hanging down as will the blank areas in the middle area.

05-22-2006, 09:30 PM
OK! Time to quit as I have to go to a friend's house for dinner. Here is where I left off:


05-22-2006, 10:09 PM
hope u like it.

05-22-2006, 10:25 PM
Wow, can I join in?

Gérôme is my all time favorite illustrator/artist, I'm very rusty with my figure drawing, art school in the late seventies was my last serious effort but I've been using Painter for 11 years so I'm fairly used to digital paint.

05-22-2006, 10:28 PM

You are more than welcome to join in! Anyone is welcome to join at any time ~ the Workshop just started at will run for the next 4 weeks.

Looking forward to seeing your work! :)



05-22-2006, 10:42 PM

1hr and a half for this one. Im not over thee moon with it but its better than yesterday so thats the main thing


05-22-2006, 10:45 PM

This is looking really good ~ I would encourage you to keep working on it. :) You would be amazed to see how far you can take things in 4 weeks, even in one. I would encourage you to stick with and to refine this piece ~ over time, you will start to see small things which you can improve, and it all adds up in the end. I'm often amazed to compare my beginning results, which I liked at the time, with the end result after several weeks.

EDIT: I like to use my CGPortfolio blog (http://rebeccak.cgsociety.org/blog/) to post WIP images, which helps me to see my progress over time. Just a suggestion, in terms of tracking one's own progress. :)

Looking forward to an update! :)



05-22-2006, 10:50 PM

05-22-2006, 10:52 PM
Cheers Rebbeca,

I will take yor advice and stick with this one! I have a tendancy to work very quickly so it will be good to have a go at putting some hours into one image.....ill show you how I get on.

I tried picking the colours myself and can see that its a definitly a skiil worth learning!

05-22-2006, 10:54 PM

Sounds great! PixelColada / Sheff, a frequenter of this forum, has a great Color Tutorial and Exercise here which you and others might want to check out:

Sheff's Color Tutorial and Exercise (http://www.sheff.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19&sid=fc171451467972e32c51ffe3ab44f467)

It's definitely worth taking a look at! :)



05-23-2006, 01:15 AM
let me join! :D

digitalsol - looking good already, values-wise
dan - nice. hope you will bring in some more contrast between warm and cool, and post bigger!
zhu - :eek: looks so alive and effortless - somehow you've captured the essence of those studies. maybe you could have brought out the reds around the noses a bit more vividly, i think the value is a little conservative, but it's only a small point. anyhoo --> :applause:
hiiri - hope you bring your figure-skills to bear on this thread...

few hours already on the zorn:


hoping to get it finished...

EDIT: P.S. Rebecca - Hong Ly (no 8) has been zapped by photobucket, in case you haven't yet noticed...

05-23-2006, 02:20 AM
Damn... you guys are practically already finished!

What the hell have you been feeding them Rebecca!??!? Somebody's been eatin' their Gorilla Munch! Hardcore!!


My meager attempt for now. Pen on paper. About a half hour:


05-23-2006, 02:46 AM

Blocking in color.

05-23-2006, 02:48 AM

Fantastic start! :thumbsup:

Mecha! Great to see you back here my friend. :)

Let's see you kill this one!

Cheers, :)


05-23-2006, 04:16 AM
Well, this is where I ended up tonight:


05-23-2006, 04:18 AM

I love your line work! I wish mine could be as smooth and fluid as yours. I really, really like the energy that I see in the pen sketch.

05-23-2006, 04:27 AM
Dan Silverman,

Great update! You know, your work reminds me a bit of that of SaraD, who will hopefully be joining this Workshop: :)

Her work can be seen here:

Anatomy thread of SaraD (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=302435)

Cheers, :)


05-23-2006, 05:04 AM
Some really fantastic works so far! Wish I had time to join...the coming week is very busy for me. But this OFDW will end after a month only, yeeah!! I really want to give it a try on the portraits. Good luck to all of you!

05-23-2006, 06:18 AM
is it just me or is the second link to the nude broken? :(

i may do a master copy though, oh well! ^^

05-23-2006, 06:36 AM
Wow, wonderful stuff everyone! This thread is growing so fast, 5 pages in 2 days!It's going to be so difficult to keep up with everyone's work(inspite of having all the time in the world, yay for summer holidays).

Here's mine, still sketchy :D I'm sort of thinking about doing 2 at a time, hmm. Oh yea, and Photobucket doesn't allow nudes, apparently :(


05-23-2006, 06:46 AM

Hope you can join the next one! :)


Thanks for reporting the broken link ~ that's now fixed, Photobucket has been acting up today, so please let me know if any other links are broken. :)


No surprise here, that's looking great! :)



05-23-2006, 07:48 AM
Good Morning everyone!

Already 5 pages here:eek: , but this is not a surprise seeing the beautiful references ! Though I see it will be hard to keep up with you, I definately want to try another painting in this OFDW...you're all so terrible fast and good:scream: ...
So to put myself under a little pressure, here's my first quick sketch...

Have all a nice day!:wavey:



05-23-2006, 08:45 AM
Hi everyone,

I really enjoy to see the different styles and ways you all take here.

beautiful way you are creating your pictures. Solid and feathery at the same time.

@Dan Silverman
let us toss Ms. Kimmel with WIP's..s she wants it, she'll get it.

@Digital Sol
thank you, great start, nice to see your process. It will be a masterpiece, I am sure.

Ah, so many people here.

Ellie :D

Next WIP, it is funny how a simple stroke can change the expression.


05-23-2006, 09:25 AM

Great to see you back here! Can't wait to see your update! :thumbsup:


Nice start so far! Looking forward to seeing your progress as well. :)

Here is my modest progress for the night:


Cheers, :)


05-23-2006, 09:29 AM
Awesomeness, but at this stage I think you need to soften the eye edge. It feels right now as though it's been cut from clay.

WIP I know, so no real crits.

05-23-2006, 10:37 AM
Tonight's update - very much a WIP :)


05-23-2006, 11:34 AM

Thanks! I will definitely take that into consideration ~ first I wanted to try to establish some basic values for the clothes, though. :)


Great to see this! :)

Here is my basic start on laying in the values of the shirt:


Cheers, :)


05-23-2006, 12:58 PM
YMS, I love your approach! Wow, so much replies, I'm tailing behind already. Today I did some more work on the first guy. I don't want to over-render it though, because I like the way Sorolla has his strokes showing. Just some basic features that were wrong.

I also tried the second man (the middle one) but I spent only like 15/20 minutes or so and the colors are off. I'm having the old problem with sunlight on my monitor.

Keep up the great work everyone!! Zhuzhu, yours was especially inspirational.



05-23-2006, 02:01 PM
I think I may participate this time around. I don't know though, the only real time I have for painting is at an independent study period at the local school (homeschooled the rest of the time, and really busy too) and I don't think th teacher would approve of my painting a nude. I do want to paint the one of the nude woman pictures, because I really like the poses and it would be a great exercise in skintones, methinks.

Great work in here so far everyone! A lot of good works in progress!

05-23-2006, 02:42 PM
Hiiri, yours is amazing, indeed this will become into a Master master copy. :thumbsup:

daWinky, your sketch is really good, can't wait to see the painting process.

Ellie, very good looking copy, congratulations.

Becca, that looks pretty cool.

YMS, looking good, keep on going.

Maladie, I love the mood on yours, also the technique is very good.

This is an update for mine.

See ya soon

05-23-2006, 04:02 PM
hiiri: sweet looking wip .
Dan: I love that update as well.
Becca: What can I say, you are a value goddess.
Maladie you are doing Sorolla proud.
Enrique: wonderful wonderful.

Here is where I am at this moment. Will do some work on his outfit. I am saving
the awesome craziness on his head until
the last moments.

05-23-2006, 04:05 PM
Awesome queen, love the way you are modeling the face, keep on going please:aplausse:

05-23-2006, 04:16 PM
Hi all! It is my first post.
I have started to draw it a pencil and a mouse. I hope for your comments. Tomorrow I shall take in hands graphire.

05-23-2006, 04:22 PM
Hi DiM, looking good, I like the face, that seems is the most advanced part, the rest is well structured for my taste, drawing with a mouse, is very unconfortable and hard, and even that your result is pretty good, are you thinking in apply color later?, that would be great, will wait for your next post. :thumbsup:

05-23-2006, 05:49 PM
Hi to all,

This is my first post at CGT...and i am little confused about this forums...I saw this workshop and since I am experimenting with C. Painter I find this very good way to practise my skils...:)
...here is my painting... it is not finished yet, but it is close ...



05-23-2006, 05:50 PM
Hey everyone! Rebecca, I just know you knew I was lurking :) I'm sorry I never completed OFDW16 -- when I lost my progress on the Monk, I just went a general 'blah'... oh well.

Everyone's is looking amazing so far. I'm interested in everyone's styles and how they are putting them into the paintings. I don't really have any crits, as they all look good in their own way. I would also like to add that Maladie has impressed the crap outta me with her renditions. I think that loose style suits you amazingly. It's why they have painters that do that -- I don't think I could do that loose style if I tried!!

So, I've been working on the Hong Ly.. which after looking at it for an hour or so, is quite beautiful. This is just a crop of the most worked-out part:

100% zoom - I worked in 200-300%

I was having trouble blending, and finally just caved and used the regular ol' PS airbrush. I really don't know what else to do, since skin is like... umm, totally 100% new to me LOL. I did texture-ise the parts here with a couple custom brushes.

What I would like to know -- from all of you -- is:

What types of blender brushes do you use?

05-23-2006, 06:08 PM
Thanks guys for all the comments and posts! :)


The face is looking great ~ definitely will enjoy watching your progress on this one. :)


Great stuff so far! Really lovin' the warmth of the tones coming through! :)


Welcome aboard! It looks like you are off to a great start. Great to hear you are getting a Wacom! :)


Welcome aboard! :) I really think you've got a good solid foundation on this. My one suggestion would be to warm up the skin tones a bit. :)


I know that the Forum can be a bit confusing ~ but this thread will help you to navigate to the best of the Tutorials and such here on the Anatomy Forum: :)

Tutorials, Workshops, Anatomy Reviews & More ... [links within] (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=273525)

Here is a basic breakdown of the Anatomy Forum, which is just one of many Forums here on CGTalk: :)

Anatomy Forum Structure Breakdown:

Artistic Anatomy and Figurative Art (http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=177)
The Forum containing the 5 sub~forums, which are listed below. All things related to human, animal, and fictional creature anatomy are welcome here.

SPOTLIGHT: Best of the Artistic Anatomy and Figurative Art Forum (http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=198)
Here you will find highlighted the best work of the Anatomy Forum from the past year. We have only been existence for 1 year, and a ton of great work has been produced here! Please note that all SPOTLIGHT threads are closed for posting, to keep the threads solely dedicated to showcasing the art.

Tutorials and Workshops (http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=199)
You are here! This is one of the most popular areas of the Anatomy Forum. We run an Open Figure Drawing Workshop here every 4 weeks in the case of a Master Copy (as now) and every 2 weeks when we are working solely from Photo Reference. There are many other great Tutorials and Workshops to be found linked in the Tutorials, Workshops, Anatomy Reviews & More ... [links within] thread above.

Personal Anatomy & Sketchbook Threads (http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=200)
Here all who wish to keep a record of their progress are welcome to create a Personal Anatomy Thread, which is like a diary of your work and progress in terms of figurative art and anatomy. Myself as well as an active community of users comment and provide feedback on your work.

General Topics (http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=201)
Here you will find threads that are more about people posting their work to General Topics, such as Life Drawings and Master Copies.

Concepts, References, and Resources (http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=202)
Here you will find great Reference and Resource threads for photo reference, anatomical reference, book and supplies lists, etc.

I know it's a lot to take in, but spend some time on the forums, and you will quickly become accustomed to things and gradually find the right threads and feel at home. Feel free to ask me or anyone questions at any time! :)



Great to have you aboard! I hope that this time around, PS will be good to you. Save lots of backups everyone!

Keep up the great work! :bounce:



05-23-2006, 06:47 PM
Thank you so much, hope this update likes you :)

Here is mine, a face's detail would like to recive some feedback, crits and comments are welcome.


05-23-2006, 08:09 PM
OK! I have not had a lot of time to work on this today, but I do want to get this completed so that I can get back to work :) . Here is where I am starting out today (just blocked in the basic colors for the clothing):


05-23-2006, 09:05 PM
Hey Laby, thanks so much for the positive feedback!! And that looseness is merely thanks to the AMAZING brushes you sent me (Ghoro's);)
You are doing great yourself! Good eye for colours, you'll be alright.

Queenie: great work! It's nice to see you get better and better:).

Digital Sol: wow, you're a value goddes yourself;), I mean god.

Dan Silverman: going crazy on the hat, are we? Beautiful details there!

05-23-2006, 09:12 PM

Thanks for the close~up, no real crits so far, that's looking great! :)

Dan Silverman,

Looks fantastic, do you mind telling us a bit about your artistic training / background? :)

Cheers, :)


05-23-2006, 09:19 PM
Becca: thank you very much :)

Maladie: hahaha, thanks but, yeah, male adjectives please.

05-23-2006, 09:26 PM
Bah! No one is answering me - perhaps you jealousy guard your secrets o.O

Seriously - what blender brushes do y'all use? For skin - that is.

I want to try out a bunch.

05-23-2006, 09:27 PM
going crazy on the hat, are we? Beautiful details there!

Yep! I love that hat ... though I wouldn't wear one myself ... not in public :) . Thanks for the compliment :) !

Looks fantastic, do you mind telling us a bit about your artistic training / background?

Sure. I am a self-trained artist that mainly does real-time 3D models for things like games and training sims. I used to do a few book covers in the past, but nothing to extensive. I used to do quite a bit of sketching with pencils, but I have always been afraid of painting. I am horrible with colors. I learned to paint a bit digitally in order to create skins for my real-time 3D models, but I never did anything too extensive.

About seven years ago I started to hang out with some of the people at the old Concept Artist's forum (a great forum that no longer exists) and I submitted a few pieces of my work to be critiqued. Frankly, what I turned in stank ... really bad ... :) . But the people there were very nice and, instead of cutting me down they critiqued me and helped me out. I improved as a result of their advice.

In any case, I have not done any series digital painting (or non-digital for that matter) at all. When I saw this challenge I thought I would "bite the bullet" and give it a try and I determined to post no matter the results (good or bad). I am very happy with the over all results of this painting. But I am wondering about something ... I feel I can do this because I am using the image as a reference ... a reference for form and color. What I am concerned about is, one day, taking this to the next level and creating a unique piece of art and achieving the same level of quality and detail. In other words, how does one transition from "learning from the masters" to creating one's own art?

05-23-2006, 09:31 PM
Hey, sorry, I was about to do it time ago, but just forgott, this is the brush that I use almost if not all the time.


First I try to identify the most evident contrast and later rework the area with 10% opacity brushes using the colors taken with the color picker.

I use too the smudge to blend, not in every place just where is needed


hope this helps. :)

05-23-2006, 09:37 PM
Thanks Rebecca, for a nice welcome words and hints ...:)

05-23-2006, 09:40 PM
All I can say is - WOW! Those workshops are a treat :bounce:

Dan, your detailing makes me green of envy. And to be mentioned in the same sentance as you is an honour :bowdown: Thanks, Rebeccak!
DiM, I can´t wait to see the progress of this one.
Queensoul - you master the colors, as usual.
Digi, can we expect another tut on this one?
Becca - how you turn these b/w into the colored, totally perfect in value, is a mystery to me :argh:

I´ve just started my piece, and will soon have some Wip´s to share.


05-23-2006, 09:42 PM

Well ive given it almost 3hrs tonight! - Some aspects I like some im not so sure about...the eyes, texture etc....im using photoshop so might have to experiment with brushes etc.

I spent first hour trying to sort out the drawing & placement etc.

sorry rebbeca no blog on here yet as not paid up.


05-23-2006, 09:44 PM
If somebody is interested, here are my brushes :)

Edit: Thank you Sara, about the tut, maybe I wil try something with the textures, maybe the next one. thanks for looking

05-23-2006, 09:56 PM
Edit: Thank you Sara, about the tut, maybe I wil try something with the textures, maybe the next one. thanks for looking

Looking?? I would move in with you, pull up a chair and stare over your shoulder if I could :buttrock: popcorn - anyone?

05-23-2006, 10:02 PM
Dan, your detailing makes me green of envy. And to be mentioned in the same sentance as you is an honour

Wow, SaraD, I don't think anyone has said that to me before. Thank you very much (as well as for your comment on the artwork!

Here is the progress so far:


The clothing is turning out to be the most difficult for me and the errors in my sketch are really showing up as I paint in the details :) . I have also noticed that the rifle is not as crisp as the rest of the painting and so I will have to work on that when I am all done.

05-23-2006, 10:02 PM

LOL, no one here jealously guards secrets, I don't think. :) So many posts, it's hard to keep up with them! :)

Thanks Enrique, for providing your brush settings and brushes. :thumbsup:

Dan Silverman,

Thanks for that! It's always interesting to hear peoples' backgrounds. :)

Regarding transitioning from Master Copies to your own work ~ good question. ;) The thing that needs to be understood is that this is only one Workshop, doing one copy ~ a good art school will require you to do dozens of such studies in order to internalize what you at first copy, and then come to absorb through repetition, hard work, and practice. Not to mention years of life drawing, illustration and perspective classes, color classes, etc. Too often beginning artists (not yourself) think that they should be able to draw from imagination immediately ~ they hear out of context the art school phrase 'you should be able to draw from imagination', not realizing that it can take years of life drawing, master copies, and anatomical studies to be able to do this ~ and that's just for people! Not to mention buildings, environments, etc. Workshops such as these are meant to provide what in some schools is lacking ~ practice based on the figure and on Master Copies. However, I make no pretense about this Forum being a substitute for an art school. Having said that, the goal here is to provide as much free, useful information to artists as is possible.

Also, there are simply no shortcuts to improving in one's art ~ it takes a lot of time and practice, and these Workshops are meant to provide a vehicle (though should certainly not be the only vehicle) to practice one's digital and traditional art.

In a nutshell: the OFDWs at the moment are not about concept, and they are specifically meant NOT to be about concept in an effort to allow artists to develop their skills. Too often I see artists go after something 'original' in concept without any foundation in terms of drawing or painting. You'll see a lot of that in the WIP 2D Forums, where artists often attempt elaborate compositions with no foundation whatsoever. Those artists, at least in my opinion, should be practicing fundamentals first, and original compositions second.

Having said that, I have given some thought to Workshops which are more concept~oriented. My training is as an illustrator, and the way my program was set up was such that the first half of my training was devoted to foundational skills based training, and the second half devoted to more 'concept' type classes where the focus was more on developing one's ideas for illustrations.

In a way, I'm wary of running such an Illustration focused Workshop because I don't want beginning artists who should be focusing on skills first to fall into the trap of skipping over the fundamentals. But I will give some thought to this (bearing in mind that I am one person, and would appreciate any volunteers in this regard to help run this type of Workshop).

Ideas and suggestions regarding this or really anything related to ways to improve the Anatomy Forum are most welcome. :) In fact, there is a thread here dedicated to that purpose:

Post Your Ideas for Tutorials and Workshops! (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=341006)


You're welcome! :)


Check out this Tutorial regarding Grayscale > Color Painting: :)



This is looking much better! Keep pushing this, I think this is one of your strongest pieces yet in your Portfolio! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)


05-23-2006, 10:19 PM
Hi Rebecca and Everyone

Started my Sorolla Beach this morning. Searching for colors. Fine tune it as I go along.

Some Great Paintings on here so far.
Can't wait to see what they look like a month from now!
Great job everyone!

Take Care


05-23-2006, 10:19 PM
Here´s my first wip. I couldn´t resist the colors in this one :) But, I´m planning to do the Hong Ly´s models as well - they are always so much fun to paint.

05-24-2006, 12:02 AM
YAU - (Yet Another Update) :


05-24-2006, 01:13 AM
Almost there!:



05-24-2006, 01:48 AM
SaraD and Glenn,

Great to see you both aboard! :)

Dan Silverman,

That's looking amazing! It's great how fast you are painting, and equally surprising this is one of your first digital paintings. Great work! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)


05-24-2006, 01:52 AM
Question: Is the intention here for us to copy the original as exactly as possible, or to draw our interpretation of the original?

(Regarding my own progress, I've made a line drawing of #1 and will post once I get a sketch done).

05-24-2006, 01:55 AM

You are free to interpret ~ I doubt you'll see any two copies alike at the end of this Workshop. :) Just use your best judgement as to what an interpretation is ~ stylistic interpretation is fine, though I'd prefer not to see matchsticks arranged in a semicircle as an interpretation. ;)

Cheers, :)


05-24-2006, 02:13 AM

That's looking amazing! It's great how fast you are painting, and equally surprising this is one of your first digital paintings. Great work!

First of all, thank you for the compliment! It is very humbling.

Secondly, while I have only done about two digitial paintings (only with the guys at the Concept Art forums) for the purpose of critique and learning, I have been painting some skins for low-poly models. I don't consider that really digital painting, but I have learned a few tricks in Photoshop as a result. But, frankly, I have never ever tackled a subject of this magnitude and it is very exciting for me to be able to do this. Thank you for the encouragement!

Here is (yet another) progress shot ... almost almost there!:


05-24-2006, 02:17 AM

Working out details to the face.

05-24-2006, 02:24 AM

You're quite welcome! :) Nothing better in terms of challenge than a Master Copy. :thumbsup:


Great to see your update! :)

Still miles to go on this obviously, but here it is:


05-24-2006, 02:42 AM

Wow. Great face and I love the turban as well. I am looking forward to seeing this image when you get it completed!

Here is my final image:


05-24-2006, 02:42 AM
Thanks Dan & Rebecca!

Rebecca: Nice start btw:thumbsup:

Hey, I have sort of a weird question regarding proportion. You ever get wobbly face? One of my biggest problems when doing any type of portrait work, my facial features tend to become slightly off balance... if Im working on paper, I usually flip the paper and look at it through the light which helps give me a better idea of where Im off. In PS, I can just flip the canvas but Im really trying to get to a point where I dont have to do that a million times. Have you ever come across that problem and if so, what tricks or excercises did you use to help you overcome it?

05-24-2006, 03:01 AM
Glenn: I am happy because I totally knew you were going to pick that painting! Cant wait to see how you handle it.
Dan: I am totally jealous. You are so fast! You must make excellent use of your time. That image is looking sweet. Doh! You finished while I was posting. Congrats.
Enrique, thanks for the brushes. You are doing so great as usual.
Becca, nice values studies.!!

05-24-2006, 03:18 AM

Fantastic work! The one minor crit I have is that the ear seems just a bit low. Not so much that it is really bothersome though. Phenomenal stuff!!~ Will you be attempting another painting?

One thing I encourage our participants to do when they finish their pieces is to create Step~by~Step Tutorials (if you worked on multiple layers, which many artists do not). If you have the time and would like to put together a Tutorial, I would encourage you to do so here in this Forum ~

Tutorials and Workshops (http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=199)

For example, Enrique was kind enough to do one here:

Tutorial - Digital Paint for OFDW Caravaggio Master Copy - by DigitalSol (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=347853)

I just ask that you keep the naming convention to Tutorial - What It's About - by Your Name.

Even if you can't work on another painting, I would encourage you to continue to post advice and comments here as you have time to! :)



05-24-2006, 03:40 AM
Fantastic work! The one minor crit I have is that the ear seems just a bit low. Not so much that it is really bothersome though. Phenomenal stuff!!~ Will you be attempting another painting?

Wow. Thanks for the comment and the critique. I did not notice the ear until you said something about it and now it looks a bit low to me, but that may only be because you have planted the thought in my mind ;) .

I am not sure if I will attempt another painting this time around as I need to get some work done, but I am very tempted to. I want to learn more. Despite how this image turned out I am really a beginner in this area and, frankly, I am pretty timid about doing another one.

If you have the time and would like to put together a Tutorial, I would encourage you to do so here in this Forum ~

Wow. I am very flattered that you would suggest this to me. I realize that this is open to all, but I am still flattered. I will certainly write one up and we shall see if it helps anyone. I saved incrementally as I worked so it would be very easy to reconstruct what I did. I also made a ton of mistakes and I think I can point out what I think I did wrong.

I would encourage you to continue to post advice and comments here as you have time to!

I would be more than happy to. Thank you.

05-24-2006, 03:47 AM

That's great! Thank you for doing the Tutorial. :) There is no rush, feel free to do this as you're able. There are, after all, 3 1/2 weeks left in the Workshop, so there is lots of time. :)

Looking forward to your Tut! :thumbsup: A pleasure to have you in the Workhsop. :)

Cheers, :)


05-24-2006, 04:13 AM
Hey all!
Here are my intial sketches. I'm using the basic 2min-5min-10min format outlined in the beginner lounge. I had real tough time with the forshortening on the protrduding leg, but I think its like somewhat better in the final drawing. I think I'm just about ready to start painting now. So, feel free to C&C and paint-over before I get started. Thanks in advance!
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/9349/ofdw17post2vf.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

05-24-2006, 04:20 AM

Great to see this! :)

My suggestion would be to raise the upper torso slightly, if you compare the position of the breasts in the photo relative to your drawing, I think they are a bit closer to the legs in your drawing than they are in the photo. This is a pretty easy digital fix (cut, paste and move the upper torso and everything more or less above the legs up a bit.

Looking forward to seeing your progress! :)



05-24-2006, 04:23 AM
Rebeccak: Alas, you are right... I'm just too tired to change it right now. My next session that will be the first order of business ;) Thanks for the c&c!

Quick question: Is drawing from a photo considered not as good as drawing from live ref?

05-24-2006, 04:26 AM
Here's what I've got so far:


05-24-2006, 04:50 AM

I sort of overlooked your earlier question, sorry for that!

Originally posted by Mecha: Hey, I have sort of a weird question regarding proportion. You ever get wobbly face? One of my biggest problems when doing any type of portrait work, my facial features tend to become slightly off balance... if Im working on paper, I usually flip the paper and look at it through the light which helps give me a better idea of where Im off. In PS, I can just flip the canvas but Im really trying to get to a point where I dont have to do that a million times. Have you ever come across that problem and if so, what tricks or excercises did you use to help you overcome it?
Mecha, I don't really have a good answer for this, I tend to judge things by major shape relations and areas of light and dark ~ I think there's really nothing wrong with flipping the canvas, I mean, traditional artists typically turn their canvases every which way to better see their work. I also remember back in the day my illustration professors who worked traditionally on large images used optical devices to more or less give them a 'zoomed out' look, so they could better see their compositions. Such 'cheats' are universal and time honoured ways of checking proportion / composition etc., so if flipping the canvas helps, I would encourage you to keep trying that.

Otherwise, I would just say to block the features in in a blocky way from the beginning, and establish the major relationships of the features. But all of that you know. ;)

Originally posted by Radical_Seifer: Quick question: Is drawing from a photo considered not as good as drawing from live ref?
Hey there, while I do not want to get into a lengthy discussion here, I will say that the best ways to study the figure, in order of importance, are:

1. Studying from Life or from plaster casts
2. Master Copies and Anatomical Copies
3. Drawing From Reference

Drawing from life is of definite, and some would say, of paramount importance. The problem is that a lot of students hear that drawing from Reference is 'bad' and then those that have no access to life models feel as if they are doing something wrong if they draw from Reference.

It comes down to this: Drawing from Life is terribly important. BUT if you do not have access to models / cannot afford to attend life drawing sessions, then drawing from Reference is not a bad alternative. I would encourage anyone to do both.

If you cannot draw from live models, do self~portraits, portraits of family members, friends, etc.

It is really important to note that many if not all art schools really want to see more than anything else in an entrance portfolio LIFE DRAWINGS. Often they don't like digital artwork in a portfolio ~ it depends on the school and it's requirements. If you or someone who is reading this is a high school student, then you should be aware of this and work to meet the requirements of the art college to which you are applying.


Nice start to this! Looking forward to your progress. :)



05-24-2006, 05:57 AM
Morning everyone!

Not easy to keep step with all the postings here:scream: ...

Queensoul - it's interesting to see your switching between traditional and digital...amazing work on the face
Enrique - no surprise, excellent work, I'm waiting for more
Dan - can't believe how fast you are, congrats, your finished piece is amazing...nice to read about your background, I share some of your experiences and it was interesting to read your thoughts about copying and Becca's answer...perhaps we see another interesting workshop here...?
Becca - thank's for the reminder that you're only one person, easy to forget this fact:D ...your wip's are great, you know that you have a very unique style even at the early stage...
Mecha - you've started with a beautiful line work and I like the details on the face
hiiri - your work looks so effortless, I'm curious to watch your progress
SaraD and Glenn - I'm looking forward to watch your work, great start both!
Maladie - amazing work with the faces, I share your feelings about not over-rendering this...
Mikeface - nice start!

This is what I have so far...
Have all a nice day!


05-24-2006, 07:20 AM
Hey all,

Im in awe of all the work here.....
I dont have space to paint right now, so it will have to be on the PC :)
About 2 and a half hours into this.
Still tyring to get the expression in the fingers right and basic values correct.
Foreshortning on the leg needs some work.....


05-24-2006, 08:21 AM
Hi All!

About 1.5 hours into this with graphire.http://dimm3d.mail333.com/baron_test/mk_copy1.jpg

05-24-2006, 08:49 AM

Welcome aboard! :) Nice to see your work here.

One thing I would suggest for your piece, if I may, is to extend the length of her right lower leg. Looking forward to seeing your update! :)


Lovely start! Can't wait to see this progress! :)

Here is a bit of progress from me for tonight:


Cheers, :)


05-24-2006, 09:01 AM

short visit... next wip:

Ellie :)


05-24-2006, 12:22 PM
Hi Guys :)

Wow, this thread is such a treat to look through - good work, everyone!

Rebecca, just letting you know that I haven't abandoned grayscale - I'm using your trick of an adjustment layer to desaturate and check values as I go. It's incredible how much darker, say, a region has to be in the coloured version in order to match the grayscale. I just don't see it straight off!

Worked on Mona's face tonight (still have more to do on it, yet):


05-24-2006, 03:48 PM
I haven't done much really, but seeing all the wonderful work here has been so inspirational, I might work more tonight :D


And I started on the nude too!Her face is looking rather warped right now, I haven't flipped it yet.
Here's stage 1


and stage 2:


05-24-2006, 04:10 PM
Thanks Rebecca!
Next detail &next 1hour, after work.http://dimm3d.mail333.com/baron_test/m_copy.jpg

05-24-2006, 04:28 PM
In a hurry, I have checked the progress, for all great job.


05-24-2006, 05:17 PM
As requested, a tutorial has been added here:


I hope this is useful to someone.

05-24-2006, 06:51 PM
Hey Sara, thank you so much, even my girlfriend dont do that for me, lol.
Your painting is going cool.

Dan Silverman, great painting and tutorial.

Hi Glenn, that looks already good for me, I was wondering when you would jump into. Good to see you here.

A very good looking paint from now, amazing job. :thumbsup:

Rebecca, your is going great, really like the way you are pushing up that values.

Queen, thanks so much, and I hope that brushes helps.

Radical Seifer. Love the way you contruct the model, great lineart.

Mikeface, awesome start, really look for your progress here.

daWinky. Thanks, yours is looking great, love the strokes that you are using.

mediumRare. strong start there.

Dim. Looking great overall, love the way you are modeling the face specially.

Ellie, awesome, just curious, what brush are u using, I really like the texture that gives.

YMS good job on mona's face.

Hiiri, what can I say, Im great admirator of your work , this is not the excption, your is looking terrific, I envy you and much, but I think is a good envy way.

05-24-2006, 06:54 PM
I worked a bit more on my painting, so I think I am finished now...


05-24-2006, 07:36 PM
Hey, just tons of great stuff going on here, it's great to see! :)

Originally posted by Ellie:

Ellie, looking good, I think the main thing is to warm up the colors a bit and to get your contrasts going. Nice work so far. :)

Originally posted by YMS: http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=3575150&postcount=130
YMS, looking good also, I just think you need to watch the alignment of the eyes and make sure the major axes of the face are parallel. Keep going! :)

Originally posted by hiiri:
Looks great, hiiri, be sure to save those steps for a Tutorial! ;)

Originally posted by DiM: http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=3575422&postcount=132
No crits so far, keep going!

Originally posted by Enrique: http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=3575496&postcount=133
Nice work so far! The only thing I might mention is that the lower half of the face seems a bit bigger, the eye seems a bit small proportionally. Beautiful tones, keep it up. :)


Excellent Tutorial, thank you very much! :bounce: I've linked it here. (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=273525&page=3)

Originally posted by mazalo:


Mazalo, nice work here! Do you mind if I do a bit of a paintover to show a few areas for suggested improvement? Some artists don't like this, and I completely understand. Just let me know. :)

One thing that will help make it easier to see your images is if you copy and paste the URL of the images into the square yellow sun / mountain icon in the EDIT POST text editor. This will make your images visible as images instead of as links. :)

Great work all! Keep inspiring!



05-25-2006, 01:13 AM
W00t! Finally back online. :)

Update ~ this has a gray layer overtop and is intentionally darker than it's going to ultimately be: :)




05-25-2006, 01:57 AM
Oh man, there are so many other works to comment on...

DanSilverman - You finished already!!? Quit making the rest of us look bad :) Seriously though - nice work.
daWinky - Looks good so far. One of the things I notice (and like) about the original painting is that the face is obscured by shadow just enough that the expression is unclear to the observer. i.e. It's hard to tell what the subject is thinking/feeling and I think this obfuscation is quite deliberate.
mediumRare - Great start! You've done a really nice job of pulling out the dark and light areas. Looking forward to seeing more.
DiM - Very nice work, especially on the face.
YMS - Nice work. The face is definitely getting there!
hiiri - You've captured the feel of the piece without yet having painted the detail. Nice one!
DigitalSol - Great attention to detail. And I like the sepia tones! :)
RebeccaK - The folds in the fabric are beautiful. Will you be 'roughing them up'? (in the nicest possible way, of course).

05-25-2006, 02:06 AM

Thank you! I will definitely be working further on all parts of this painting ~ I tend to start with a paint by numbers, hard edged blocking in, and then refine, so I will be trying to rough up the edges gradually. :)

Dan Silverman,

I have added your wonderful Tutorial to the front page plugged Tutorial Pack here:

Anatomy Forum Tutorial Pack - Bobby Chiu + Steven Stahlberg + Dan Silverman (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=3576554#post3576554)

Your Tutorial was well~written and thorough, and is a great addition to the Anatomy Forum! Thank you! :)



05-25-2006, 02:15 AM

Im definitely taking my time with this one. Damn tiger pelt is killing me.

05-25-2006, 02:41 AM
Fantastic response to your tutorial, Dan. "Headlined", well done.

05-25-2006, 04:25 AM
Great work everyone.:bounce:

Here is my take on the Sorolla painting in photoshop7..

05-25-2006, 04:43 AM
Nice work Verdell! I really like what you've done... great style:thumbsup:

05-25-2006, 04:49 AM
In a little bit of hurry. You guys are an amazing lot. I'll come back and look at the individual pieces. I am so happy to be a part of this learning expedition.

Here is an update on my guy. Hope to have sometime this morning to finish up the outfits.

05-25-2006, 04:57 AM

Let's see you rock this puppy! :D ;)


I see you are gunning for 'Most Improved' Award. Nice work. :)


Fantastic progress on this! Am so proud. :) Minor crit is that the shoulder looks a bit small, and the arm a bit big. Great start on the shirt, and that perfect ear! It may be a bit small and too close to the back of the neck, but it is beautifully painted. Great stuff, keep working hard. :)



05-25-2006, 06:14 AM
W00t! Finally back online. :)

Update ~ this has a gray layer overtop and is intentionally darker than it's going to ultimately be: :)




*kills Rebecca and steals her shading skills!
Lady that rocks .

Verdell, great job on that Sorolla! Your work has improved by leaps and bounds as well.
Mecha: I love what you are doing with that piece. I kinda knew the tiger throw would be rough to paint. But you are getting there .
I'll look more in a bit.

Becca: Meh . I dont know whats happening with that ear. I have measured it and it comes out the same length as the original. So am thinking its something in the shading. So am gonna attack it before I do anything else. Thanks as usual for looking at my work.

05-25-2006, 06:32 AM
Love this forum! Wicked to see everyones work progressing...

Rebeccak - Thanks for the kind words. Your right about the leg, I think I got it closer now!
GigitalSol, Mikeface - Thanks :)

Heres another update, another hour spent. Want to make sure all the proportions are right before I start refining anything too much.


05-25-2006, 07:22 AM
Hi Rebbecca,

Im glad the sites back up, I couldnt post last night.

Well heres how im getting on with this picture. Im starting to feel quite happy with it. I worked on it for another couple of hours last night. Whilst I was studying it a few things became clear to me. First the awsome level of skill in the original, its so loose and a first glance looks quite straight forward, but on studying it there are so many subtle touches that perflectly convay the form of the skull beneath the skin.

Also the face again on first glance seems quite unpleasant. but looking at it for hours and trying to capture that expression, I realise there is somthing really amazing in that espression, its almost a smile but with sadness as well. somthing in the raised eyebrows I think.

Anyway as you can tell im really enjoying it and may even have a go at copying it on canvas. It very liberating to be encouraged to copy a master. I was almost discouraged when at university etc and yet there is so much to learn from this process.

I feel really glad ive found this forum.




05-25-2006, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by mediumRare: Love this forum! Wicked to see everyones work progressing...
Thanks for the kind words. Your right about the leg, I think I got it closer now! Great to hear! :) The leg definitely looks better. I hope you don't mind, I took the liberty of showing just a few general places you might watch while refining your painting. :) Mainly I recommend defining and refining the opposing curves of the body. For an extended explanation of "opposing curves", please click the "Article" link in my signature. The yellow overpainting is less to show placement than general angles of the form ~ for example, the ribcage juts out a bit more in the reference of the model. Hope this helps! :)



Yes, I'm greatly relieved the site is back up too! Many apologies for the inconveniences, I'm hoping things are now cleared up. :)

This is looking great! I'm really happy that you've decided to continue with it. As well I am sorry to hear that you were discouraged from doing master copies as a student ~ such a shame for schools to disparage hundreds of years of history, but unfortunately, that is how a lot of schools are these days. It's great to have a community such as this one in which traditional skills as well as digital skills are encouraged. :)

In comparing your piece and the original, you seem to be doing quite nicely! I think the main bit is to refine the shirt and just generally bring things up gradually to a level with which you are satisfied. Keep up the good work! :)


Cheers, :)


05-25-2006, 08:23 AM
Hi All!
Next morning hour. In the evening still something I shall draw.


05-25-2006, 08:23 AM
Hi all,

where nice work we have here :)...
...I worked a bit more , was not happy with the right arm...

here is , and Rebbeca you can just mark the places you think I have to work more...:)


05-25-2006, 08:31 AM
Wow, fast and good progress everywhere...this speed is killing me:D , I'll still have work for many days, little update here...



05-25-2006, 09:17 AM
Hi Rebeccak, hi to all fellow artist`s, I come a litle late to the workshop, but better late than ever, is been a long time since I make a copy of master Sorolla, i see the workshop and feel the need to do something, so here I`m a fresh start for your kinds critics.

sorry for my poor inglish, c-you soon

First step: some basic drawing


second step: color blocking and correct the proportions, etc.


step three: begining shapes definition, and keep modificating the drawing and proportions


3 hours of work for tonight.

05-25-2006, 09:51 AM
Hi everyone, I have decided to take the plunge and have a try at some digital painting using Painter, I have only created Oils up to now so seeing all the great painting here I decided to buy Painter and slowly teach myself how to use it.
I picked this painting because I love portraits and it's not often you get the chance to paint such a regal character as this.
I got this far after a long day of trial and error, lots more to do but I must say I am enjoying the challenge.
Comments are most welcome as I am a very new user of digital painting.


05-25-2006, 10:36 AM
You guys are really fast! Or better in desposing your time than me:)
Billy - a really good start, for being the first time working in Painter. It´s not an easy program to master. And your "trial and error"-technique is really paying off. Looking forward to your pregress. Keep´em coming.

Mecha - the arrogance and power of the man is just jumping out of the screen. Wonderful and strong painting. Having him on my wall would bugger the hell out of me:)

Small progress from me. Concentratet on the face, trying to find som strong colors to bring out some warmth in the skintone. Easy for me to fall in the "monochromatic" scale on this one!http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/OFDW17/BashiBazouk_003.jpg

05-25-2006, 10:37 AM
BillyBrusher, that's an impressive start for a new user of Painter!

Worked further on Zorn's Mona and left fixing the faulty face for another session. Thanks for pointing out the alignment/axes issues, Rebecca. (It didn't look quite right; fortunately it's a WIP! :) )


05-25-2006, 11:09 AM
I think I'll join in on this one, expect a start later today! :)

05-25-2006, 12:33 PM
Hi all.

next small step.

sorry for my poor inglish

05-25-2006, 02:48 PM
I haven't had too much time for work in this lately because the work, but here is a little update, everyone is doing an amazing job, soon I back with commentaries for all, thanks.


critics and comments are welcome.

05-25-2006, 04:21 PM
Wow, so much amazing stuff, guys!

Back later to comment on individuals' work. Keep posting, it's great to see new people on board! :)



05-25-2006, 05:02 PM
Rebeccak-You bet I am. I am gunning for the award.:deal::buttrock:
Mechahatechimp- Thanks a lot. I try.:D

Photoshop7 and 1hour and 30mins. time....

Wip steps

05-25-2006, 06:02 PM
Wow, such amazing work from everyone, so early on! Very exciting!

With my work schedule lately I haven't had the time to work on anything in photoshop, but last night I managed to work up a sketch using my good ol' Ebony pencil and paper. So, this will be my humble beginning on this piece. Hope to get some painting started soon.


90 minutes, 11"x14" 60lb paper, Ebony pencil (no reference grid)

05-25-2006, 06:21 PM
SaraD .... Thanks for your kind comments, and yes I am finding Painter difficult on times but I am enjoying the learning process anyways.
I like the way you have started your painting, sort of reminds me of how Picasso did his early portraits by completing details of the area he worked on before moving on. Your eye for colour is really good and the skin tones in your painting are what I am finding very difficult at the moment. I look forward to your updates.

YMS .... Thanks for the nice welcome, I love the use of light in your work seems to warm the whole scene, I particularly love the wide range of colours in this picture a bit like dancing with pure colour as your partner.

DiM .... What can I say? your progress is impressive and fast, love the textures throughout the work and you have certainly caught the expression of a hopefull sale on the guy's face.

DigitalSol .... This seems a different approach to starting a painting I wonder how you move to the colour stage? I haven't been using 2d digital for long so any new techniques are helpfull to me. I look forward to seeing updates.

pushav .... Wow ! that is some rapid and expressive painting technique you have, I like the way you have laid down the basic colours and developed the painting from there.

I have added a little to my attempt but been a bit preoccupied with other things to spend much time as I would like.

05-25-2006, 06:55 PM
A teeny tiny update


05-25-2006, 08:42 PM

This is coming along great, I really like the loose painting of the fabric at the base.


Thanks, I will get to this a bit later today! :thumbsup:


Great to see your piece coming along! A few suggestions, if you don't mind :) might be to increase the height of the hat and the size of the eye and ear. Looking forward to your update!


Welcome aboard! :) Nice to see your progress and WIP, and there are over 3 weeks to go, so you are not too late!


Things are looking very solid, looking forward to your update! :)


Nice to see your piece coming along! :)


Really liking the color harmonies and the brushwork you have so far. Keep pushing and refining this! :)


Just do it! :thumbsup:


Looking good, I think the main thing as I mentioned on your Anat Thread is to elongate the figure so he appears less compressed. Looking forward to an update! :)


I really should try the approach more often of taking traditional to digital. Looking forward to seeing the start of your painting. :)


Great update! Definitely looking forward to seeing this finished. :)

Great work all, keep it up!



05-25-2006, 09:08 PM
I think I´m gonna leave the face for now, and start to play with the fabrics and folds, which I love :) I dread the "thingys" coming down from the hat :scream: So, they will be the last thing of it all - or maybe he doesn´t need them anymore, so I skip them :thumbsup:

05-25-2006, 09:32 PM
Your image is going really outstanding, u have all tha reason for taking the time enough, amazing job.

You are really fast, and ypur colours are just where they must.

Hey Queen, Im really liking the work with this guy, specially the work at the face.

Looking good

DiM, I like the way you are managing all the process, specially the texture in the wall.

Mazalo. good work over all, I wpuld just suggest some soft transitions in few areas.

daWinky. I like very much the work that you are doing in the face specially the green hues, and the colors in the turbant.

zhay13. I like the texture in whole the paint, and the way you paint, I mean the technique.

BilliBrusher. Great work overall, if I could suggest something is, try to use more saturated colors, thats all, good job.

Sara, amazig job,I specially like the color palette, and the texture in the background.

YMS. overall great work, the work in the face is the best part till now, IMHO.

ThreedyModeler.. something that I like about your copies is that you change the image into your style, I like the sketch in paper.

Rebecca. Your values are going great, but I think that the image is getting some dark, maybe u should add some ligh in some parts of the face, but thats all.

Hirii, you are doing this in such amazing way, congratulations. :applause:

05-25-2006, 09:34 PM
Here is mine, I did some work in the clothes, and thats all untill now, hope to get some time tonight, thanks, critics and coments are welcome.


BilliBrusher, thanks for your comments, down here in my signature is a link to my painting tutorial, please take a time and visit it, there is explained how I colorize my images, hope that helps you.

05-25-2006, 09:38 PM
This is my first OFDW! I'm rather excited. I'll post comments on everyone's stuff later- I'm going to get some coffee first. Here's my WIP so far- the face must be totally redone!


05-25-2006, 09:47 PM
this thread is going soo fast! I really should jump in, but I am too busy at the moment.

just a few reply's:

Dim: great, I have no comments on this...just keep it going, it is gonna be great!

Dawinky: I like the method you use, from soft to sharp. really good likeliness :applause:

zhay: thanks for the step by step. nice to see the progress. very beautifull style!

Billy: great start, make sure you keep the values in mind. Some more contrast i think.

SaraD : wow! its very good colorwise. Maybe it is a bit too smooth, the texturing will make it even more perfect!

Yms: make sure the woman pops out, the background is very red. The colors on the woman are good. her hand catched my eye, its very nicely done with such few brushstrokes. nice lightning!

threedymodeler: yay! nice pencils! nice to see a painting converted to a pencildrawing so good!

enrique: yep very nice as I said before! hurry hurry I want to see it finished ;)

05-25-2006, 10:00 PM

Lovely update as always ~ my one comment might be that the ear seems a bit small, but I'm not comparing to the original, so could be wrong. :)


It's fantastic to see you in this ~ this is looking great so far, and I think you can take your skills to new levels with this piece! Keep working hard! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)


05-25-2006, 10:14 PM
Hi Rebecca and everyone

Really starting to enjoy Sorolla's painting. It has some really beautiful color harmonies going on in it. Great composition , atmosphere and lighting. Found the unifying color to be a silver/gray. Runs throughout the painting. So I threw one silver/gray tint on to it. United all the colors. Still searching for colors and refining details as I go along. One layer, straight painting. Oil Brush. Painter 9.
Using my own eye and judgement in the search for color.
Really enjoying seeing all the great work and results that are happening in this painting session. Great job and effort by everyone.
Keep up the great work
Take Care


05-26-2006, 12:45 AM
woah, this thread has gone mad...! too many to give everyone a comment...

paperclip - is that digital or...?

digitalsol - nice :) great rendering

hiiri - i think you're making nice progress with the photoref; the only thing that really seems off is the face. maybe there's a little distortion around the nose?

spiritdreamer - gorgeous work. i like your method of gradual placement and refinement. must be very theraputic!

mecha-h-c, pushav, ed777uk ...well, everyone - great work, keep pushing :D


Zorn #2, about 4 hours spent overall so far:


more vibrancy needed i feel.

05-26-2006, 05:36 AM
Morning everyone!

SaraD and Enrique - both great work on the face!
ThreedyModeler - impressive study, looking forward to see your painting
hiiri - just...wow!
paperclip - Nice to see you here, that's a great start!
SpiritDreamer - I see, you enjoy it...curious to watch your progress on this!
audit - great start with the Mona too!
Thank's all for the comments!
Becca - Thank's for your hint, I'll try to fix the hat with the next update...but his ear? I'll check it...
Working on hat and face...


Have all a nice day!:wavey:


05-26-2006, 06:14 AM
hey Verdell, my teacher showed us this measurement technique during life drawing class. So I try to recreate it in photoshop with the 'guide'. I just did a few to measure the placement of the eye, nose, and lip in relation to other parts of his body. You can basically use it to measure every other key feature. Hope it helps. I love how your art is progressing and hope you explore it to the fullest.


05-26-2006, 06:23 AM
Queensoul - though I'm not Verdell, this is exactly what I need at this moment:D ....Thank's!


05-26-2006, 09:11 AM
HI, very nice progres to here, this night i keep pushing the litle wacom, so here are another step in this beatifull painting.

c-you soon..

Step 4: the upper half of the figure is almost finished, the face and the texture of the cloth become really dificult but i think i pass that stone in my way, there are more corrections in the proportions, added the rest of details, and start to texturing the background, just another 2 hours of hard work, i hope you like.


05-26-2006, 09:25 AM

The hat has owned me! :D




05-26-2006, 09:32 AM

Great to see your update! I think the spirit of this painting quite suits you. Looking forward to your update! :)


Looking good so far!


No problem! My own hat is owning me! :D


Thanks for that!


Great stuff so far. Looking forward to seeing this develop. :)



05-26-2006, 09:41 AM
Thank's all to the comment.
Next litle step.

05-26-2006, 10:25 AM
Great work everyone!

My first post at this great forum :)
As you can see piece lacks of details.

I'll be back with some comments later...

05-26-2006, 11:10 AM
And here´s my next little step.

05-26-2006, 11:23 AM
Good step :)

05-26-2006, 12:33 PM
Becca - Wow, great update, and I know what you mean with this hat:D ...

DiM - you really caught the expression of his face and good work with these pelts!

belial - welcome aboard! ...and a really good start with your piece!

SaraD - the start of your hat is beautiful, still fighting with mine...

I tried to fix the proportions and little work on the face


I'm off now for the weekend, have all a nice one!


05-26-2006, 01:12 PM
I worked a bit with another image ,this time from Sorolla...
Here is the progres in steps...




05-26-2006, 01:19 PM
Some more work on the hat.

05-26-2006, 02:02 PM
This place sure is busy- here are a few comments!:

audit: the headscarf seems too bright- maybe tone it down a little? (p.s-mine is digital)
dawinky:It lookslike it could do with a teensy more contrast?
zhay: great start-keep going!
rebeccak: Why don't you join the Anatomy forum? :p I'm kidding, I'm kidding! It's great!
DIM: It looks like you just need to detail more, it's coming along beautifully.
belial: i think you need more contrast in the hat folds.
saraD: you're doing really well!

05-26-2006, 03:13 PM
Everyone is doing an amazing work, I just wanted to say you, lately I have been busy, hope work in mine tonight.

See ya

05-26-2006, 03:18 PM


my first OFDW since months!

been trying the Sorolla, blocking in rough forms with Painter's 2b-simulation. not sure if I am gonna keep this penciled or if I should at some point try other media. Pastels came to mind...

anyway... having fun, and hope so are you...:)


05-26-2006, 04:07 PM
Hi all.
Next hour after work.

05-26-2006, 04:25 PM

Great updates! Good to see your steady progress. :)


Welcome to the Anatomy Forum! :) Great start, I look forward to seeing how your piece develops!


Lovely so far! :)


Looking good, yes, this hat is a killer! :D


That last piece is looking great! :)

One thing that will help make it easier to see your images is if you copy and paste the URL of the images into the square yellow sun / mountain icon in the EDIT POST text editor. This will make your images visible as images instead of as links. :)


Thanks! :)




Great to see you back here! Looks good so far, I look forward to seeing this develop in conjunction with your other Master Copies! :thumbsup:

Great work guys!



05-26-2006, 04:54 PM

I finally had the chance to review your earlier piece, which I think is coming along quite well, yet could still be improved: :)


These are only suggestions. Let me know what you think. Hope this helps! :)



05-26-2006, 05:44 PM
Thanks Rebbeca for the tips...

Comparing now the photo and my painting, I found out also some other things that needs work on...thanks.
About blending more..., I like to see brush strokes on the painting rather then blending more...:) ...it is becouse of my education, and the way I paint..:)
...it is hard for me to talk in english ,as I would talk in my language ...I didnt paint anything figurativ for about 7-8 years ...but maybe you will understand if you see this...


Sorry about links for the Sorolla painting, but I didnt know how to insert more then one image on the post...

05-26-2006, 05:52 PM

Thank you for sharing your website! :) Your works are lovely, very intelligent and I love the rich paint texture and the consideration of your compositions. It's amazing that you have exhibited your work in the UAE ~ what a fantastic experience that must have been! :)

Sorry about links for the Sorolla painting, but I didnt know how to insert more then one image on the post...
No problem! :) You can only post one URL into the http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/CGTalk/image-posting-icon.jpg icon at a time. For multiple images, just insert one at a time. :)

Thanks once again for sharing your website. It is always great to see such high quality work! :thumbsup:

EDIT: Here is a Gallery that might interest you:


I love this artist, Alex Kanevsky:


Cheers, :)


05-26-2006, 06:27 PM

I am very glad that you like my work..:) thanks for good words:)..
...yes , in the UAE was great expiriance to me, I meet there many good artists...see
...at the moment I have an exhibition in Hamburg, Germany in gallery "Le Cocon", until 30.06.
...the art of Alex Kanevsky is very good, he has exellent brush strokes and a good feeling of color...thanks for the link to the gallery:)

05-26-2006, 06:46 PM

You're welcome! Thank you for the link. :) I will have to take a more in~depth look at that later today. Congrats on your ongoing show! If you have pictures, feel free to post them, that would be great to see. :)

You are also welcome to create, if you wish, your own Personal Anatomy Thread, here:

Personal Anatomy & Sketchbook Threads (http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=200)

See this thread for information about creating a personal Anatomy Thread first:
FAQ: Can I Create My Own Anatomy Thread? (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=341167)

Links to all Personal Anatomy Threads can be found here:
Anatomy Threads of Individual Users (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2817397&postcount=12)

Cheers, :)


05-27-2006, 06:05 AM
Final! I love Bashi but am divorcing him and his head piece. :scream:
I'll come back and check up on everybody in a few minutes.
Bashi's head close up
Them thingies he is carrying

Thank you guys for all your help.
Rebecca, you rock, rock rock.

05-27-2006, 06:09 AM
Holy lord, QS! What a beautiful piece you have so far! :applause: *Puts QS on 'to watch out for list'.* :D

Great stuff, I am really proud of you. :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)


05-27-2006, 06:27 AM
Here is the pallette I used for the Bashi piece. I did all the initial color stages in painter.

05-27-2006, 06:45 AM
Queensoul: lovely

Now the worst part - shirt. I just hate painting drapery :/

05-27-2006, 07:13 AM
Hi, another litle step, this time i was correcting the saturation of some parts, finished the upper half :), i become a crazy artist triying to replicate the oil texture in the walls ( i sholud make this in oil, that is my strong medium...), so enough talk.

QS:Very nice pic, i glad you finished,:thumbsup:

Step 5: more details....


05-27-2006, 07:29 AM
I am sorry. I have been really busy and not able to post here at all. I did take a look at the last page here though :) .

Queensoul: I really love the face in the painting you are showing. I love the colors and the texture! What I don't like at the moment is the decorative parts of his coat. I am guessing that you have not finished working with this part yet. I say this because it stands out as if it is not a part of the painting ... yet. Also, you have something (like a string hanging from a chain) coming off of his shoulder and down his back. Did you purposefully deviate from the original here? The original has a seam where you have a string hanging. It is an area where his coat is sown and the stuff coming down his shoulder is more of the "military" decorative material. If you decided to do something different than what is in the original painting then please forget my comments :) .

The gun also bothers me a bit simply because it does not give me the feeling that it is a rifle. I think it is the highlight you painted. It makes the material look like a form of glass or some other highly polished material.

Lastly, the paint style of the face looks different than a lot of the rest of the painting. This makes it seem almost as if the face was from a different painting than the rest.

I hope you are not reading this as being too hard. I simply wanted to type what I was seeing. I really like the painting (the hat is very, very cool!).

DiM: Your painting is turning out really nice. :)

zhay13: Looks really inspiring! I would certainly like to see a larger image of your painting!

05-27-2006, 07:31 AM
belial707: Wow. That looks really nice in grayscale! It reminds me of a photograph. Me likes :) .

05-27-2006, 07:59 AM
Hi Dan i glad you like it, here are a close-up fot you, c-you

step 5 :close-up


05-27-2006, 08:05 AM
Great stuff guys! :)

Update for me:

Coloring Stage / Tinting:




05-27-2006, 08:26 AM
Rebecca, zhay thanks .

Dan: There is a CLEAR and PURPOSEFUL deviation from the original. I mean its pretty obvious.
The highlight on the gun might be a tad much am gonna try and tone it down. But looks like his rifle to me. Aren't rifles metal objects? I've never seen one.

"Lastly, the paint style of the face looks different than a lot of the rest of the painting. This makes it seem almost as if the face was from a different painting than the rest. "

I dont understand that part. Perhaps you can elaborate?

05-27-2006, 08:27 AM
Becca, phew am glad you finally moved into the coloring stage. Be ready to be owned by that hat.

05-27-2006, 08:58 AM
Yes... I'm a little behind. We'll see how this goes...

I gridded this one up, roughly 11x17... something I haven't done in ages. Am fairly pleased overall... Sketching time: 1 hour 20 minutes.

05-27-2006, 09:31 AM
Just where I am right now... I will try and calm down the scribbles


05-27-2006, 10:10 AM
Hello everbody! (as Dr Nic would say!)

Really good stuff coming along at the moment.

When you look at one image for so long it gets almost ingrained on the brain so I thought I would have a go at another one. I have had a another go at one of the portraits & tried to intergrate a bit of texture via the photoshop brush's.

This took about 2/3 hours last night.


05-27-2006, 10:26 AM
So many people in this thread, now. Good going, everyone.

More work on Mona ... :)

Tried to fix her face and did more on the background plus here and there on her:


05-27-2006, 10:40 AM
slowly replacing the scribbles with charcoal... the feet are driving me nuts...


05-27-2006, 11:03 AM
sorry to wip-spam, but with the magic of digital tools I readjusted the head,upper arm section to more match the original


05-27-2006, 11:06 AM
Nothing like wip spamming MrMu. We insist. You know for a minute and half (aka until you told me), I thought you were drawing on paper.

05-27-2006, 12:06 PM
:) MR MU.....:thumbsup:


05-27-2006, 06:21 PM
Some more work done on the hat. Time for the "thingys" :scream:

05-27-2006, 06:24 PM
Mu: Keep it going!

SaraD: I don't know why, but the back of the neck looks kinda off. The hat is coming along well!

05-27-2006, 06:31 PM
Paperclip - the back of the neck is only rough in place, since I haven´t put the hair in yet. So, it IS off, because I haven´t even started on it yet, so there´s a gap there where I haven´t painted at all :) But thanks for noticing - nice when people takes the time to study your work!

05-27-2006, 06:45 PM

Welcome aboard! This is a beautiful drawing...what is your art training / background? :)


You might try the chalk or charcoal brush, they give a really beautiful line! :)


This is looking great so far! Keep pushing your piece, it's coming along well. :)


Looking good ~ I would say to watch her wrist as it joins with the hand ~ otherwise things look in great shape! :)


Great stuff so far, looking forward to more updates! :) Only small crit is that the mouth seems to be sloping a little bit to the lower right ~ but I know this is WIP, so will reserve in~depth crits for later down the line. :)



05-27-2006, 06:48 PM
Did a bunch of work on the face this afternoon. The bottom of the nose in the original is really vague, so I sort of guesstimated in parts. :p


and here's the original for easier comparision:

05-27-2006, 06:50 PM
Wow, Clippy, this is looking fantastic! :thumbsup: Are you using Painter or PS (or traditional) :D for this?

Cheers, :)


05-27-2006, 06:58 PM
Photoshop and thanks, becca. :love:

05-27-2006, 07:03 PM
Hey Clippy, that image is looking gorgeous! Keep up the good work.

05-27-2006, 08:00 PM
Hi guys, sorry but haven't been able to post as soon as I'd like to, my goodness there is so much to look at now. People are really advancing so well. I have just some small additions to my work as I have just received my new Wacom Intuos 3 tablet so I am getting used to it.

DigitalSol ... thanks for the tutorial on your workflow. I was gonna abandon this piece and try starting again using your technique, but I will go a little further then I will try a different approach.
Anyways here's my little update, I will hopefully do more tomorrow evening after a day out with my Grandchildren I will probably look forward to some relax time painting.

Cheers n Beers


05-27-2006, 09:22 PM
Theresa, that's looking awesome so far. Ego, sweet job on that.

I owe Rebecca big time, so here's mine so far. :p Bout 20 minutes in, roughly. Just trying to focus on relative hues, temps, and values. Working pretty small at the moment, and my ref is tiny so I don't get caught up in the details.


05-27-2006, 09:23 PM
Paperclip, your Mona is certainly looking good! :)

05-27-2006, 09:27 PM

This is looking great so far! The main thing I would suggest is using more saturated colors, but I can see your bringing this along gradually. Looking forward to your next update! :)


Great to see you in this one! Looking forward to seeing the start of the figure. :)



05-27-2006, 09:53 PM
I'm gonna try and keep up as much as I can, this thread moves along so quickly!

Billy: The nostril- wing seems rather off, but you're going along really well and I'm sure you'll fix that later. :D

Teck: It's coming along really well! So far the only crits I can bring out is that some of the darks need to be darker...like becca, I can't wait to see the figure!

Ego, Teck, YMS: :love: Thanks guys...aww...:hugs puppies:


Original, to keep things lean and mean:

05-28-2006, 05:47 AM

Looking good, what have you changed so far? :)

Update on the grayscale version of Bashi:



Underpainting test:


Cheers, :)


05-28-2006, 06:06 AM
Becca, nice update. I can't wait to see this in its glorious color. I really commend your resilence in resisting the power of the colors until now.

Tekk, glad you joined us. Nice start. I'll be doing that piece next. So expect for me to bug the beejezus out of you.
SaraD: Sweet! Its coming along fine. I see like me, you are going to keep the head thingies last.

05-28-2006, 06:20 AM
I agree becca, it's looking really good so far! (well, it is YOU doing it...) I can't wait to see this piece when it's done....

In that pic above I spent a while going around and readjusting overall values (especially in the whites like you mentioned, they've changed a lot.) and now the values seem (to me anyway) much closer to the original. But I knew people wouldn't really notice. :p

05-28-2006, 07:35 AM
Thanks, Clippy! :)

Small update:




05-28-2006, 08:18 AM
Nice forms as usual, becca, but I'm wondering about the ear. Specifically the jaw->ear connection, which looks like it's pretty far back. That said, I'm not currently looking at the ref; it just seems wrong anatomically. The bigass shadow you've got on the far side of the face is also making the nose look positively huge. :) *hides, peeks out to yell: "Where's the colors, becca? Where's the colors?!"

Another quick update to my Leon. Yay for proportional screwups.


05-28-2006, 08:24 AM
Looking good there, teck! One way to do it to make it easier is to use one area (I usually use the corner of the canvas) as a relationship system for finding where other things are- the corner of the canvas will never change, so it's a good way to plot other areas.

05-28-2006, 08:32 AM
well i haven`t had time to take part in this but thought i would just post a quick comment on how well you guys are doing with these, fabulous work....Tekk, Rebecca, Paperclip, love the work you`re doing here, especially Paperclip, you`ve got a real painterly look going on there, almost better than the original, just a little work on the fingers of the right hand and you`re done...love the face....and Rebecca, you`ve nailed the proportions and the creases, great work....
anyway, good work everyone, i`ll try to find some time to post but it may be a while.....


05-28-2006, 10:04 AM
I just recently got a wacom cintiq, this is my first just for fun sketch and painting with it. I've been using if for weeks just on work related jobs but this is the first time I've used it just for me.

Great fun!


05-28-2006, 10:28 AM
I'm not the one making the most headway on this, but I finally found some free time to do a bit painting today :) Entries look pretty damn amazing all round!

this is where I'm at: 90x120, acrylics on canvas.


05-28-2006, 11:41 AM
Steve, color me envious. :) That's a real nice start there. :thumbsup:
plaf, that is sweet. Cool that you're working this in acrylics, too. :)

Think I'm done with the low frequency, starting on the mid-frequency stuff, after some quick saturation fixes (quick mask ftw!).


edit: Oops, just noticed I still need to fix up the proportions on the main figure

05-28-2006, 01:11 PM
aand another update. I won't have time for more today, I'm afraid :(


05-28-2006, 01:11 PM
Looking good there Tekk. Dont forget to measure the helmet. Was looking a bit too big there.

I have my set up now for the merchant. :p
Am starting in pastels. If that doesnt work out, I'll chicken out and take it back into photoshop.
Thats my spidey sticking out in the back.

05-28-2006, 02:04 PM

Nice blocking in of colors. Could use a bit more richness / saturation in areas. :p


Thank you! :) Good to see you back here, looking forward to seeing your work. :)


Nice starting sketch, I look forward to seeing this fleshed out! :)


Great to see a traditional painting here! This Workshop is really modeled on the real life Workshops I attended as a student, where we would do Master Studies in acrylics. Acrylics are a tough medium to master, but are a great way to learn form / value quickly. One recommendation is to lightly coat the base with burnt sienna, and use yellow ochre for highlights, reserving white for only your very brightest areas. Looking forward to your progress on this! :)


I think your undersketch is looking good, and it will be nice to see a mix of traditional and digital if you go that route. :) Your sketches are looking more and more confident! I recommend blocking in the major areas traditionally, then perhaps refining digitally. Looking forward to your progress! :)

EDIT: Have you crushed Spidey? :p



05-28-2006, 02:26 PM
phew almost my breath while doing this, this one really requires a lot of concentration:D . I got lost a bit while doing this but here goes.

-David René.

05-28-2006, 02:29 PM
Hey hey, nice to see this, C'vax! :) Really like the way you are pulling things together so far, the main recommendation I would have at this point is to add more to the back of his skull and to watch the distance between the eyes ~ they seem a bit close together, though I am not looking at the ref at this point. The face seems a bit long, but this could be due to the eye spacing. Looking forward to seeing this develop! :)



05-28-2006, 06:32 PM
LoTekk, looking really smooth!

clippy, you have come a long way - this painting will be another great step when finished.

plaf - I am really excited to see you have chosen Sorolla, too. Looking forward to how you o it!

Queensoul. that's a nice set of pastels there, and I want that spidey..:scream:
Like with plaf I am looking forward to the results of someone who is doing it the traditional way...

05-28-2006, 06:45 PM
Hi all,

You all did a great job...
...here is my final version ,copy of Sorolla...http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/mazalo/sorollaCGT.jpg

05-28-2006, 06:50 PM

Wow, that is looking fantastic! :thumbsup: When you are completely sure that you are finished, please be sure to post an 800 pixel wide version here as well as link a hi~res (approx. full size version) so that later your work might be highlighted.

I'll be back to post some crits later! :)

Do you wish to do a copy of another piece? :)



05-28-2006, 07:15 PM

thanks,:) I will post a larger version soon...
...maybe I will do a copy of another piece if I get time...:)

it is nice to see you work in acrylics ...:) I would like to give you some constructiv critic if you dont mind:) ...After skeching on canvas, you should paint the hole canvas becouse you can get the better filling on what are you doing, and go from darker colors first and than to the lighten colors. And you should go to the details after you block the colors on the hole canvas..:) ...sorry,:) this is the best explanation i can give you in english, a hope you understud...:)

05-28-2006, 08:22 PM
worked on the foot - I am sure there's a law against that amount of crazy textural detail in the original...:eek:

It just has to be forbidden... I feel I am not nearly finished with the foot... and I am only workin out the values...:banghead:... I do hope Sorolla's at least already dead...:D


05-28-2006, 08:48 PM
mazalo: hiya, thanks for your crits, much appreciated. your piece looks superb! :) So basically the approach of blocking in big shapes first and working in detail second is the one you'd recommend? I'm really bad at that, I have to admit, I can hardly wait to get into the details, so I have to restrain myself. I'm curious, though - is the dark to light approach what is usually considered 'the norm' ? I was thinking that light to dark would make more sense, but I guess these acrylics'll cover anything so it doesn't really matter (?) - I don't know much about it, this is my first large-scale traditional painting.

queensoul: looking good! and looks like a nice outdoor setup you have there :) Glad to see someone else doing it traditionally.

rebecca: ahh right. so prepare the canvas with paint in order to make it a little more friendly to work with - yeah, i think i'll try that out next time i start something. I'm VERY much a beginner at this, I've hardly ever touched physical paints, so any concrete suggestions like that are really very much appreciated. :)