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04 April 2006, 05:29 PM
On the first post i will edit it every now and then to include the final images that I've finished or updates.

I'm here for a bit of opinion and perhaps helpful advice.
I want to know if I'm heading the right way and so on.

Reference is my eye from the mirror's view.
Done in PhotoShop CS2.

Reference used for hairstyle only, the face was free hand. If you check the wip images there are no signs of tracing, just blocking in colour and tweeking texture.

Reference from magazine (no scanner, not traced, no colour picking) This was done to learn how to blend colours I randomly pick from the sliders and applying it with texture to experiment results.

Here is an exercise I do every few months to improve free hand eye drawing.

Please feel free to comment :)

PS. You don't have to have better drawings to critic, I don't believe in that crap about having to be better than someone to critic something. Everyone has eyes, a brain and skills to observe and form an opinion that might help me or someone else that reads this thread.

thanks for visiting :)

04 April 2006, 01:05 AM
I like your eye! :) nice proportions, delicate enough allright. You'll do great I bet. :D

:thumbsup: definitely your thing. :)

04 April 2006, 02:55 PM
no practice for two years? Wow :surprised
I find it absolutely awesome, proportions are right and the colours are great.
Please continue and show us your work :arteest: :)

04 April 2006, 05:35 PM
Wow, that is a beautiful eye. Lovely shading, great shapes. Just gorgeous.

And it's ok to have more than one hobby. :D

I can't believe this is your first drawing in two years, that's amazing.

04 April 2006, 01:24 AM
wow. i wish i could paint eyes like that. :cry:

04 April 2006, 02:58 PM

Just a sketch gone wrong lol

Just thought I'll post something.
I used ref for the girl but it doesn't look like her :(
Anyone got arm pit ref? lol

04 April 2006, 03:06 PM
Wow, very beautiful stuff. You got a ghurreat sense for easthetics!!! I'm going to tag along see if I can't help you out. :thumbsup:

I found a ref, I remembered it from scouring the web, it matches your pose somewhat. You might notice the creases being in odd places. The skin slides over the muscles and sometimes tension builds not at the specific joint itself but near it, and creases form there and stay there as the skin slides. Sorta heheh... yaddah yaddah...

Will be watching... :wavey:

04 April 2006, 03:12 PM
and I'll be watching you hehe...

04 April 2006, 02:12 AM
just posting close up to show you there is a bit of texture in the shading.
Changed the background a bit...I don't know how to make the grass and sky meet properly lol... maybe I'll get rid of it.

I know the hair looks worse but still building on it. It's meant to be really texture messy but I think it's a bit hard so it might be more sleek and smooth later.

04 April 2006, 02:18 PM

25% of working size

I think I made some parts worse like the neck :(
In progress of painting the hair.

Most of the colour changes were made coz it looked a bit flat but I kinda still like the old one :(

04 April 2006, 05:21 PM
Beautiful face. Coming along quite well. A couple of suggestions:

- Desaturate the green background (not quite sure about this one, but at the moment the colors seem to clash)

- if you could have some side lighting it would look more contrasting and not make the illumination so dull

- your framing gives too much emphasis to the upper part; I think you could crop a bit from above and to center the face on the canvas.

Keep it up...

(thanks for your comment on my thread)

04 April 2006, 05:34 PM
I think he's got some good points! :) But I personally like the backlit rendering. It seems to me though that you have now some dark parts on her cheeks that are detracting frm the volume a bit, I think there should be a more light part running fro the cheek bones to the the area of the mouth, if youget my point, I double checked on some ref pics to be sure as well :).

You could always go somewhat darker on the edges and darken the background more and increase it's contrast slightly, that might help bring out her form, just as in adding a side lighting effect.

Really love how you'r doing hr hair. :thumbsup:

edit: Oh it seems you left the volume on her chest to flatten a bit and the shoulder away from us should maybe be a bit more round? Might be pref but thought I'd mention. :)

04 April 2006, 05:12 AM

Cropped it, slightly desaturated, did the hair, redefined a few tiny details, tried to fix the arm and chest.

thanks for looking and posting helpful comments :)

04 April 2006, 12:21 PM
Looking good frostblade! I really like the colors and her face. One small crit, I think, because she appears to be tilting her head down slightly (at least to me) the area under her cheekbones should be shaded a little more. Right now it looks a little like her jawbone and area above jut out a little more than natural. But other than that, this is really awesome, I really love her hair. Her eyes are gorgeous, and you did a great job on the skintone. Great work!

04 April 2006, 04:49 PM
I like this crop... no more annoying chest and arms lol

04 April 2006, 06:25 PM
I think you overdid the brightness around her eyes a bit there. Probably adding some subtle shading in the eyesocket area will help. Nice crop indeed. Excellent work! :thumbsup:

04 April 2006, 10:33 PM
Wow, Frost, this is beautiful, and fun to watch the evolution! This eerily looks like my cousin o.O....

I like how you made the grass darker - and I don't mind the brightness around her eyes - a lot of girls do their makeup like that, that's all it looks like to me, some makeup application :)

04 April 2006, 04:44 AM

I changed more bits here and there.
posting other stuff with close up.

look better or worse? it's getting to the stage where it can look worse lol.

edit: excuse the huge image.... I can't really tell with 24 in wide screen sometimes.

04 April 2006, 12:41 PM
Odd thing is up close it seems fine, but in the normal framing she's a bit off. I guess that's a lighting inconsistency. I'd wanna try a paintover on her eyes if you wouldn't object, just to test what it actually is?
I Think adding shadow on the upper eyelids would solve it, not entirely sure.

05 May 2006, 10:58 AM
I think I'm at the point where I'm sick of this face...and my brain has gone dead on it... can't improve it anymore feeling...I think it's looking worse and worse as I try to paint more stuff on it lol.

Her features are far from what I intended now... nothing like the ref now. The very first version I posted looks more like the ref than now lol. Also I don't know why I'm painting it anymore... I just wanted a hair exercise with yellow, green, red colour scheme hehe.

Next picture will be different :)

05 May 2006, 12:45 PM
Well if it's any comfort I think she looks very beautiful. The deeper shadow near the eyes really works to bring out the forms better.

You'll get the hang of it I'm quite sure! :) Hey I still owe you a few pointers, want to havea go at some refinments still? I got time on my hands. :D

Anyway great going, hair rendering is really lovely! So are her features as well.

05 May 2006, 02:21 PM
I'm open to stuff :)
paint away and tell me about it :)

05 May 2006, 02:32 PM
I was thinking to define her muscle structure and bones etc, it's only small adjustments in shading in the end, but it might add a lot. I could wip out the anatomical charts but that wouldn't be as much fun.
I'll have to try some different brushes in painter, should be fun as well.

Areas I'm thinking about are her neck, cheeks and around her chin and lips. Generally more complex area's except the cheeks maybe. That's maybe a good reason to get some ref perhaps, on muscles and bone structure. I'll go snoop around.

05 May 2006, 06:40 PM
Ok I got around to doing it somewhat well enough to show. If the colour seems weird, that's because it is. :)

The lins represent muscle groups as I think they're in there sort of, but they're general placeholders. Then I went to the other side of the face and overpainted with a newly invented brush so I could blend more carefully regarding colour (that was a lot of fun to do :D ).

It's animated gif with 3 frames, just so you know. :) Tell me what you think because I went over it in general, not particularly good with colour but I used saturated dark purple/pink for shadows and turquoise to bring in highlights.

Oh and I think I forgot to add some shadow where the small red circle is, but you gave her bright outlines there so I figure it's something you'll know to deal with.

And a static, forgot that lol.

05 May 2006, 05:44 AM
I think I'm at the point where I'm sick of this face...and my brain has gone dead on it... can't improve it anymore feeling...I think it's looking worse and worse as I try to paint more stuff on it lol.

Her features are far from what I intended now... nothing like the ref now. The very first version I posted looks more like the ref than now lol. Also I don't know why I'm painting it anymore... I just wanted a hair exercise with yellow, green, red colour scheme hehe.

Next picture will be different :)

I think you did well on this one. The hair and the eyes are great. Her lips though kinda looks strange since it's coming out a little orange fruity on my monitor. But then there's some kinda of transparency to it which I think looks nice. :thumbsup:

05 May 2006, 09:54 AM
Very impressive painting techniques, I really like your style. Great skin tones, and a very 'clean' look. The only thing that bothers me is the image appears to be just a bit 'flat'; try pushing your lights and darks a little bit further. Impressive as hell regardless, I look forward to more works from you.

05 May 2006, 10:24 AM

I kinda tried to do the thing you were trying to show me but I think I kinda failed... I'm afarid it will look worse if I touch it anymore lol.

Thanks for the comments everyone, trying to think of something else to draw now... any suggestions of what you want to see lol

05 May 2006, 10:26 AM
Awesome! Gonna go rummage through the finished section. :D

05 May 2006, 03:58 AM
Wow! Congrats for this piece. :thumbsup:
I especially like the hair, looks very delicate. Skin shading is very nice and smooth.
Looking forward to your next piece.

05 May 2006, 04:00 PM
wow...your WIP is cool and the finished work is awesome! I really like how you painted the hair. Do have more steps for painting hair like that? Would really help this novice :) Anyway, I'll be looking for your finished painting in the gallery, saw it in your Portfolio lol...:)

05 May 2006, 04:13 PM
How did I miss the final post of this? Grr - well I think it came out amazing - I don't know what you were worried about :)

She is quite a beautiful girl, even if she looks just like my cousin!! :D

05 May 2006, 03:04 PM

another practice.
kinda got inspired by looking at an old magazine... doesn't look like the girl in the photo...I think I made her ugly.
No scanner to scan image so no tracing, no colour picking whatsoever... done in ps cs2.
and the wip shots if you're interested

also 100% crop so you can see it is actually a bit mess of orange :P

05 May 2006, 03:19 PM
Hi Frostblade :)

I love your new sketch. The colors look really nice and her hair looks so soft and beautiful I really like the thread for WIP of this sketch and the close up too. Thanks for posting! Be back to see more :bounce:

05 May 2006, 03:22 PM
Cool! new stuff. I like her eyes and nose, very playful. Good colours on her hair as well. Niiice. :thumbsup:

05 May 2006, 06:58 PM
I agree with Kelandra, the hair looks really soft. Great work!
I really like her mouth too, the edges give her a cute little pout.

05 May 2006, 07:06 AM
Thanks for the comments and I'm glad you like it.

Here is another practice from today... kinda trying to paint a face a day.

First time I drew an ear and a face at this angle...really hard, need more practice.

05 May 2006, 07:39 AM
Beautiful image. I really like the hair and I think you did a very good job with the ear:)

The eye looks rather flat though, it should be a little more convex. Some highlights too, maybe?
Something like this:

The angle is a little off in that image, but I hope it illustrates what I mean.

05 May 2006, 02:01 PM
Wow, that last picture is stunning. Your crosshatching style is quite unique in digital art, at least I haven't much of it elsewhere if at all.
Now the previous one, I know it's just a practise for the hair, but I feel that the entire head could move further left because there is a lot of thickness in the hair on the left and not much on the right, but that's only something to consider if you want to go ahead and make fully finished art.

You're very good at getting very smooth skin tones despite the roughness from close up, it almost looks like coloured pencil work!

Keep up the great work:thumbsup:

05 May 2006, 03:06 PM
Wow, you and Hiiri are really talented! he he I follow your sketches everyday. I really like how you blend the skin tones..such beautiful faces you're painting. Is there a piece that you're working on for the published gallery?

05 May 2006, 03:15 PM
Wow, still very good despite the minor anatomy issues with the eye - I've seen worse work in the finished gallery hah!

Very good skin tones and texture, it looks really good Frostblade :)

05 May 2006, 12:39 AM
hiiri, thanks for the lovely comment and crit but I'm trying to stay true to the ref for the lighting.

pap87, I've done airbrush smooth stuff before colouring fanart for my friends so they can have pretty wallapapers or something.
I like how textures make colour look less flat whever you layer it ontop of each other. As for the head... yeah it's way off hehe and she's got really big hair.

kelandra, thanks for looking and enjoying what you see. Also I'm not working on anything worthy of finished gallery.

LabyrinthineMind, I'll take that as a compliment.
In your thread you say:
Thanks :) I think this is image 200/10000 of my crap. :bounce: :D :D

Can I say "this is my 20/10000? of my crap"? hehe
Honestly I don't draw much... you might find me on world of warcraft more lol....spend over 1000 hrs on that game lol.

Ok update.

I kind of tried to fix the eye, seeing how the ref image had no highlights on the eye whatsoever it didn't make much sense with the lighting too... I just tried to change the shape of it to hope it looks a bit better. Then I realised the skin was too red in the morning and corrected that and retextured the lightlights and some other bits.

05 May 2006, 01:53 AM
Oh I like this! Big improvement -- and the hair looks /so/ soft. Lovely :)

I think her eyeballs can be a little more convex though -- but that's just me -- I think I notice that more in this version because everything else is spot on. Make sense?

05 May 2006, 03:51 AM
nice image i love the hair and the delicate workmanship, right hand side of the face looks wrong and for the eye to be where it is off it should be perhaps back a bit farther and also the lower eye lid ridge would go right around the eye ball on the bottom, are you using ref or going with gut instinct here. still great piece of work. as it is the face look flat / off

j mac

05 May 2006, 10:45 AM

Trying to tweek the eye to look better...
I moved her mouth area to the left a bit and painted over the right eye etc... I think it's time to move on.

Thanks for the comments too, makes me look at things harder and see the problem.

05 May 2006, 03:04 PM
yes! I could the eyes improved a lot compared to the first version. I really like how you protrude nad bend the iris to suggest the round eyeballs underneath the eye lids. The hair looks beautiful! Great update!! :)

05 May 2006, 03:12 PM
That tiny highlight on her lip made such a difference, wow. I think the lighting looks much better now (esp. the nose).

05 May 2006, 03:24 PM
Mmm. I think that you have got troubles with her eyes because of a basic 'error' rendering her skull's roundness.
If I take as 'fixed points' her jaw + right eye + mouth, I find a 'flattened' nose and a too visible left eye plus a wide dome.

Try to cover them with a white layer and then tell me if I'm right. :)

05 May 2006, 03:48 AM
I made her head shorter and her nose higher.
Moved the eyebrow down, added more lip to the right, right eye moved to the left a bit, added more texture, more work on hair.

By the time I got sick of it again it was more of a texture brush testing piece than anything else.

Here it is again:

Lighter version:

05 May 2006, 06:03 AM
That's...just... :eek:

It's absolutely brilliant! I can't think of anything else it would need. Well done!

05 May 2006, 10:47 AM
Excellent rendering! Good thing you gave it another go! Looks good anatomically, not much to say now.

05 May 2006, 03:39 PM
wow the update is gorgeous!! :applause: I really like her skin and her hair. The earring is a nice touch :)

05 May 2006, 03:56 PM
Frostblade, holy COW you did it on that last rendering -- it looks beautiful. Very well done!! Inspiring, truly.

05 May 2006, 10:58 PM
Sounds like time to start something else.

If anyone is interested I uploaded one of my better texture brush settings. The specks looks better or worse depending on the brush selected for the dual setting.

it does speckles...must use with tablet and light hand on layers and erase extra bits to get desired results. Recommended for building small areas of highlights and shadow.

I forget where I get the texture brush for the dual brush from... coz i just open up abr files... delete bad ones and then save the favs.

05 May 2006, 04:23 AM
Damn, which of those two pics are better? I like the contrast of the first one but I like the skintones on the second one. Nevertheless, that hair is awesome in both.
Looking forward to seeing your new piece.

05 May 2006, 08:17 AM
wow linda! :eek:

your latest piece just blows me away. i prefer the second image to than first though. the white spots look a little too strong. excellent piece. :bounce:

05 May 2006, 10:26 AM
I really prefer the darker version of your pic's a matter of taste !

Thank you for the brush, I'll try it right now.

Hope to see new pics soon !

07 July 2006, 11:17 AM

I'm trying to do this portait that my sister asked me to do a few years ago of her friend (who is dead now and it's not good to post dead people photos and I'm not allowed...the point of the drawing is to get a good representation of her since she doesn't have any good photos) but she keeps slamming the eyes are not right... and this is like the xth version. I've never met her and...umm... the digital ref looks like a thumbnail...then eye part is literally a this is a game of guess and crappy likeness direction.

Anyways the first one was done in March, then next one was in June and the last one was tonight. I pretty much pull that drawing out when I'm bored to redo the eyes, correct skin colour, the teeth or something to practice stuff. Just thought I'd post results to see how I can make the eye look even better.

08 August 2006, 05:21 AM

Cut of current painting.
I still haven't nailed the likeness...still not right shape etc. least they look asian this time
I guess more practice for me

08 August 2006, 12:17 PM
OMG I thought that was a photo. When can we see the entire picture?

08 August 2006, 12:20 PM

Cut of current painting.
I still haven't nailed the likeness...still not right shape etc. least they look asian this time
I guess more practice for me

It's like a photo. Are you sure you want to obtain a photo-effect for your pic?

08 August 2006, 02:03 PM
Well the whole aim of the painting is to produce a high resolution image of her. Since she doesn't have any nice photos to remember her by...or reference off...lots of guessing and asking "does this look like her yet?" then I get "no... her eyes are the wrong shape, need more this and that...wrong colour...eyes look flat"

I have to wait for my sister to come back from business trip to see if she thinks the eyes look flat now lol.

I guess i'll just paint it over and over until my sister says it looks like her friend that pasted away 2 years ago.

In the mean time it's making my rending skills better...well I'm a bit obsessed with it atm.
Learning heaps from applying what I have been reading lately with skin tones, hair, eyes, teeth..etc. Need to find tips on painting the neck, shoulder area.

I think the main thing that made it more real this time was painting with layers with multiply or soft light properties selected so it doesn't have that powdered grey look so it's more rich and stuff.

Thanks for looking :)

08 August 2006, 01:56 AM
The eyes look amazing! I know it might look like a photo and all, but the image looks clean; I can see every detail. Hope to see the whole version :) Keep painting!
PS: thanks for the paintover :)

08 August 2006, 12:44 AM
I really like the nice soft light you put in and around her eyes, great work on rendering it. Wow :thumbsup: .

It's really photographic! Excellent. :thumbsup:

08 August 2006, 02:20 AM
The eyes are beautiful! Can't wait to see the rest of her face!

08 August 2006, 02:42 AM
this is fantastic work you've got going. i'd love to see it finished and the whole pic too. right now the mystery of only seeing her eyes is too much for me. :D great skills linda. ;)

on a side note i don't get why people should be discouraged from doing hyper realism. the painter came first before the photograph. ;)

08 August 2006, 12:33 PM
The difference in technical skill between those first three tries and this last image is striking. What have you been doing? lol Hmm, now that I look at it again perhaps its just airbrushing and a noise layer.

Why show just the eyes? Have you done the rest?

08 August 2006, 03:56 PM
The difference in technical skill between those first three tries and this last image is striking. What have you been doing? lol Hmm, now that I look at it again perhaps its just airbrushing and a noise layer.

Why show just the eyes? Have you done the rest?

I played world of warcraft a lot....then stopped...coz guild drama, too many mages etc etc and opened up photoshop and just started working on it. Maybe looking at my own eyes for texture etc too.

This is the other image I made lol
It's a joke for addicted wow players.

The brush is mostly a custom shape one from Linda Bergkvist's workshop in the ImagineFX magazine...I guess the workshop works.

As for why only show eyes... well been told not to post the whole thing. If you have msn I can show you privately. In the mean time I'll just show bits of it that are ok looking.

updated the skin a tiny bit. The eyebags are hard... I have no idea how they should sit on the area for her... coz I don't have eyebags...just dark circles from playing too much warcraft for 1 year. :(

Here is another part... the mouth with the teeth. (You may get similar texture results if you have a hand held mirror and keep smiling too) btw my mouth don't look like that but my teeth kinda do.

This is what the woman's smile kinda looks like but not too sure...filling in the tiny details with me I guess.

Hair line.
It was just rich black before and I went to the bathroom and thought hey... need to show some skin there so I painted that shine on the hair.

Overall, I screwed up the picture again... overall skin tone was too red and light source is all over the place. Also working too small... those are all actual size :(

08 August 2006, 08:19 PM
Hey what Server? :) I play on Kargath, and I'm well ensconced. I have too many 60s to count o.O

Is the whole deal about not showing the whole thing is because she has passed away? I can understand that. It's np.

It's got to be hard to try and do a painting without any photo refs :/ A bunch of guesswork. You've got to be like those police detective artists, and even they aren't spot on!

08 August 2006, 03:44 PM
LOL, where can I get one of these patches? Do you have any for Warcraft3? I need one badly!

The new close ups look stunning btw. So much detail in the hair!
Hope to see the whole picture one day.

08 August 2006, 05:40 PM
Wow nice closeups!! The hair looks amazing. You must have endless patience. I really like the teeth you painted too, looks so white and shiny. I wish I could paint teeth like that :sigh:
Incredible details so far and hope to see the finished work. :)

10 October 2006, 12:49 PM

*sorry if the lack of detail nude figure offends...especially one that is based on my personal photos....was wondering if i should pixelate that.

This is like some kinda of summoning event thing happening here...
She's seeking the aid and power of the water spirit... for some purpose...

gonna add some clouds, leaves, fabraic pattern things and more magic graphic stuff later. Just concerned about how it reads their positions and maybe any major things I should add or change to make it more interesting.

10 October 2006, 01:30 PM
This is looking very nice. The anatomy looks spot on, and the background and tree especially look great.
The only thing I think that could be better is the composition. I think there could be more space behind the water spirit.

If you don't mind me asking, what made you come to Australia?

10 October 2006, 01:59 PM
How much space? like 100 pixels more to the right or more?

Oh, I didn't realise it was on USA until my friend pointed it you to me :P *silly.

10 October 2006, 07:20 PM
Hi frost
Sorry will be not to pass before
Only now see this way. So realistic its paintings. I am to adore.

10 October 2006, 07:34 PM
Looking really nice! I really like the way the light falls on the tree, beautiful!

Eagerly looking forward to updates!

10 October 2006, 11:57 PM
I like the lighting on the tree too. I also liked the dragons around the water spirit. Can't wait to see more magic stuff being added!! :bounce:


10 October 2006, 12:07 AM
this is a very good piece. it's also the first i've seen from you that contains some fantasy elements. ;) i like what you've done with the background it's so realistic...

my only crit is the same as pap's... the composition needs a little stregnth... how about cutting some space from the left side instead of adding some on the right? say maybe only show half of the tree? anyways it's just a suggestion. it already looks great as it is. :buttrock:

10 October 2006, 02:26 AM

made it wider. now i get to wait 3 mins to save the pic haha... 10,000 x 5,800 ftl

10 October 2006, 01:17 PM
The main reason I suggested adding space to the right as opposed to cutting space from the left was so that the tree would stay in the pic, it would be a shame to lose any of it 'cos it's so well done.
Adding another 100 pixels wouldn't do very much to that monster resolution you're working with ( 10,000 x 5,800 :surprised ) I was thinking as much space as there is on the left, to have a nice balance. I guess it all depends which of the two figures you want to be the focus of the picture.
The last update is definitely an improvement.

10 October 2006, 02:12 PM
Mm.. I think that the dragon-girls fights with the tree in the background and that you can shift it a little to the centre.

It's a beautiful start, I can't wait to see the future steps,

10 October 2006, 05:32 AM
the magic lights affecting her face are very hard to paint :(
huge challenge...sigh. need help.... paint overs?
50% working size.

arg pretty soon i'll be like... how do I paint good looking armpit folds? lol

10 October 2006, 06:26 AM
Oh my, she's so pretty!! It doesn't seem like you're having a problem painting her Linda, you're doing it so well! I really like how you have managed the warm/cool areas of her face. I think you can give stronger cyans almong the edge of the face, to show the magical reflected light, especially on the lips, they seem to have some sort of pinkish light on them.

Her ears seem a little small though, and the collar bones should probably be a wee bit lower.
But she's still a pretty one! Looking forward to updates :)

Can I interest you in a poke? ;)

10 October 2006, 07:50 AM
Oh, she's poking! ;)

Linda, I don't know how I haven't managed to go through your thread before...some amazing work here.


10 October 2006, 11:41 AM
Yeah seriously beautiful face there! I really like the lighting, I think maybe it's good to home in on getting it done on the rest of her as well and then refine it. Unless you're experimenting on her face first.

Then I'd say all that's missing is some bright specs where the light would reflecting directly to view, that 'll bring out her forms as well. :) Really great stuff coming from you lately!!! :thumbsup:

10 October 2006, 11:45 AM
Yeah like JM said ( AKA the Poster:scream: ) that's a beautifull face. I hope her pose wont be too stiff in the end, but i think you will take care of that! :D

10 October 2006, 12:29 PM
Uhhh beautiful !
I suggest you to follow Iridyse tips plus...don't forget hair. You can add thousands of magic-stripes in order to add roundness to hair's shape.

10 October 2006, 02:40 PM
Very nice work. Especially the diffuse lighting.:thumbsup:

My main suggestion is to soften the neck muscle a bit unless she is supposed to look tense.
Her right shoulder also looks a bit small but I could be wrong there. I agree with Iridyse about the collar bones.

10 October 2006, 04:35 AM
Hi Frostblade :)

Nice work on the face! Well when you know how to blend skin tone you really know how to blend skin tones! I was wondering what is the size you're working with? As for armpit I'm the beginner here so if you need help I don't know what to do..eek!

Just want to cheer you on :) From the other works you've done I think this one will turn out awesome!

More updates! and POKEPOKEPOKE (that's for poking me earlier he he...) :)


10 October 2006, 04:13 PM
Iridyse, thanks that you think sheís pretty :)

I didnít use cyan edge on it because when I took pictures of myself the edge is whitish.

The collar bones are a pain, I canít see mine in that angle so Iíll go looking and staring at people who are thinner and taller for more understanding.

Cris-Palomino, thanks for looking! I guess you missed it coz itís not a very updated thread and Iím not popular/famous lol.

jmBoekestein, I wish I know female form like you lol.

zng-Y, stiff hey, hmm Iíll try make it better.

CyborgJA, thanks for looking and the hair will come soon and it will be more complex than now for sure.

pap87, the neck muscle looks like that on me when I pose like that. I guess Iíll try to make her look different then.

Kelandra, hehe bring on the pokes lol

The ear is a bit bigger now and more blood in it...thx to soft light layer

This shoulder thing is really bothering me. Kinda makes me want to be taller and thinner i can just look at the mirror and draw but I'm not blessed with such bone structure so meh. But then I don't know why I'm spending so much effort on those collar bones without solid ref to correct it...also I might cover it completely with a dress or something lol.
I guess I should start on the other figure too.

10 October 2006, 04:30 PM
I just wanted to pop in and show my support and say she IS lovely like everyone says -- but I can't actually crit anything really, or give advice other than to suggest using a ref for the pose, because there is not a single thing wrong with that =D

Anyway, beautiful way you've handled the light on her face! Cant wait to see more

10 October 2006, 11:07 PM
I don't really have anything useful to say at the moment. But I love how this is progressing. I too like the light on her face, it does a good job of giving her dimension while not being overkill. :)

10 October 2006, 11:27 PM
Hi Frostblade! :)

Yeah an update at last. :bounce: I think her right shoulder is a little bit off...but I can't say I'm not much help either! :( :( :( Maybe Shreya could do a paint-over, just poke her. ;)

10 October 2006, 12:07 AM
The light on the face is really working...I look forward to seeing the development of your piece.


10 October 2006, 03:29 PM
The neck looks much better now, so does the ear.
I really like the subtle highlights you've put on the outlines of the head and back of the neck. It really helps integrate her with the background.

And don't worry about fame and popularity. With this level of quality, it will come no probs.

10 October 2006, 10:23 PM
Looking very good so far, keep it up.

10 October 2006, 11:18 AM
update. Hope the shoulder and neck is better. i'll fix the iffy splats of under color later.

pap87, if i want anything atm it would be a job...need money to live, get out of depression, something to do and independence.

10 October 2006, 01:13 PM
You are doing a great job. I feel tired and sad sometimes too....I'm used to paint until I feel better. For works and it has got a double value : gets off the sadness and increases your portfolio :thumbsup:

10 October 2006, 02:16 PM
The shoulder/neck is looking much much better! :thumbsup: Have you started on the other figure? More updates please:)

10 October 2006, 02:28 PM
Looking very nice, can't wait to see how the hair will turn out.
Good luck with your job search. Hope you get one soon.:thumbsup:

10 October 2006, 04:13 PM

I like how the shoulders are looking now. Very pretty! :) Can't wait to see the whole figure and the magic stuff!! :bounce:

11 November 2006, 05:21 AM
Well I got my computer back. I kinda forgot what colors were used to paint the face so the body is looking a bit odd lol...still fixing. refined some of the face details...might do do the face more. Is the space between the nose and lip too big? does she look like she got a lot of scars too? :(

11 November 2006, 06:50 AM
Very impressive, the tranlucency )sp?) effect is really well done. Great details as well. Something about her face is a bit wrong, could be the forehead, I'm not too sure. Keep it coming!

11 November 2006, 07:35 AM
yeah, her forehead bit strange :( I'll try getting the hairline better

the lips just randomly became shiny when i played with the highlight dots and i wanted more red.

soft light layer mode with red-brown hue and blur to make the lips with random white specs then layer with multiply mode to get shadows.

same deal with iris.

ref if you're interested.

11 November 2006, 08:40 AM
Very impressive, the tranlucency )sp?) effect is really well done. Great details as well. Something about her face is a bit wrong, could be the forehead, I'm not too sure. Keep it coming!

Totally quoted. I think that the 'error' belongs to eyes' position and shape that doesn't follow head "spin".

I'm really happy you finally got back your pc ! :bounce:


11 November 2006, 02:10 PM
I don't find anything wrong with the face, looks quite believable.
The only thing standing out to me, maybe because it's unfinished, is the eye. I think it should have a bit of shadow or some sort of shading near the eyelids just to make it fit in better.

Top notch work though, I really like it.

11 November 2006, 02:28 PM
If you want to get really nitpicky, it's the upper eyelid and pupil (not being able to see it) that is a little weird -- but only if you stare at it and someone told you something was wrong and you were trying to pinpoint.

Remember, not every person in the 6.5 billion people in the world have perfectly symmetrical faces with perfectly symmetrical features and skin and what not. Stop fretting over teensy microscopic itty bitty details like that. It doesn't serve the art. There are no /glaring/ anatomy issues. Not a single solitary regular person off the street who would buy the artwork somewhere would notice it in the slightest.

11 November 2006, 03:38 PM
You know...everything is a matter of taste!
About the eye...try to make it 'shorter' in order to obtain a smaller "white-triangle"

Looking forward for updates :thumbsup:

11 November 2006, 07:16 PM the crisp style! I could see the wonderful lashes and the gloss on the lip looks beautiful! Since you have refs I don't think there'll be any anatomy issues here. Keep up the good work.


11 November 2006, 09:39 PM
just want to say Im in love whit this picture. Beautiful work. I will follow this.
take care!

11 November 2006, 07:25 AM

You have done a great work there, I liked the pictures alot :eek: they are amazing

I have one point to discus, why didnt you include your web page address "im sure you have one" :thumbsup:

anyways good luck and keep up the "great" work


11 November 2006, 08:28 AM
Thanks for all the comments everyone :)

I don't have a website :P I'm also exclusively posting at cgtalk only.
I can't afford the server fees lol *cough
though I have rights to

Working on the other girl too... she's still nude so won't post yet.
Updated the hair line and arms and hand. My left arm is so sore from holding that gesture lol then I'm like... crap i have to repaint it later again for the magic stuff.

Anyways, her dress that is coming soon, but I can't decide what colour.

11 November 2006, 08:33 AM
Looking great, the hand seems a bit too large, however. Keep it coming, loving those colors.

11 November 2006, 01:32 PM
Lol, all this time I didn't realise that this girl was part of the picture with the water spirit. If the other girl and the rest of the picture is of this quality then I can't wait to see the end result.

About the hand, the palm looks just right, I think it might be the the index and big finger that might be a tad too long but it's really not worth fixing if it's gonna take ages.
The hair's really nice even without highlights.

Keep up the great work!:thumbsup:

11 November 2006, 10:11 PM
Hi there,

Just want to pop in and say "great update!" Nice to see more of her than a head...keep them coming! :)

11 November 2006, 03:33 AM
this looks fantastic. i hope your computer isn't choking on the resolution that you work at. :D

hmm... crits. i'm with the george about the hand. maybe it should be slightly smaller in size as a whole. if i use my own hands for proportion reference... the whole legnth of the hand would only cover from tip of the chin to the middle of the forehead. if you decide to change that maybe just make use of the 'free transform' feature rather than rework it. that way you don't lose any of that beautiful work you've already done on her hand.

the distance from the tip of the eyes to the ear might be a bit long or perhaps you just need to put in more shadows there to accentuate the forms around the eyes. her right breast might be too big in relation to her left. oh and the trapezius(? her back side) might need to have more curves, it's cutting the forms right now coz it looks so straight.

i hope i don't sound like i'm nit picking. or if i do, that you'll forgive me and see my good intentions instead. keep it up linda! this piece rocks! :thumbsup:

11 November 2006, 03:39 AM
on the color of the summoner/wizard's dress... may i suggest a deep shade of red? i kinda feel your piece is more on the green side so red might give focus on the main character more.

11 November 2006, 05:12 AM
I'm going for a light blue... deep red didn't work out.

Anyways posting the other girl. She's a bit too pink :(

Please don't click if you're too young to look at nipples and naked bums....even though it's not very real looking.

If you're wondering how it looks so clean...

I constanstly adjust the layer mask for shape and put new layers in the folder for shading. Sometimes the extra stuff under the mask is useful in case I need more here and there for knees, etc. It also saves some time erasing extra stuff per layer.

11 November 2006, 09:22 AM
oh wow..those updates look awesome! I can bearly contain my excitement. Thanks for sharing your work layers too. I myself never use masks...too lazy :P Maybe I should use it more often ha ha...

Thumbs way up and looking very much forward to seeing more!


11 November 2006, 09:53 AM
189 layers?!? :eek:

Now I feel lazy.

Great update! Something bugs me about the legs but I can't seem to pinpoint it though. I think it may be that the legs have more contrast than the rest of the body.
Although you were right that the other girl is too pink, the characters still fit in nicely into the background.

11 November 2006, 11:30 AM
I got a new monitor, dell 24 inch. It looks so pale now... maybe coz of the 1000:1 contrast ratio. My temp monitor kinda mislead me with some shading but it will be all fixed soon as I'll be glued to my new toy.

About the layers... that only shows how many times i pressed new layer, I do flatten when I'm ok with something and don't need the stuff under it the new layers probably cover 90% of the old stuff.

11 November 2006, 04:00 PM
My favorite part about that whole image are those trees on the left. They are fricking /awesome/ - well done there, they look amazing, so tied in to the rest of the image. Love them!

11 November 2006, 07:23 AM
Hello Linda,

Nice paintings. I have no crits only want to compliment you about the way you paint Especially the skin and lips.:thumbsup:

Ps, I donít understand why you use layer masks? Itís much easier to turn on: ďPreserve transparencyĒ (works like a perfect mask!) and otherwise when you want a change on one layer only : use layer adjustment layer.

11 November 2006, 04:59 PM
This is coming along quite nicely; It has a very 'fantasy' feel which you pulled off very nicely. Looking forward to updates.

11 November 2006, 06:00 PM
:drool: can I see her nails please?! :drool:

11 November 2006, 12:43 AM
it looks great! i think you made the right choice with the dress ;).

11 November 2006, 04:19 AM
very slick work:)nice stuff all and all.keep it coming.:thumbsup:

11 November 2006, 11:39 AM
Brooke, thanks for dropping by and the pokes hehe

pap87, I press new layer a lot.

Runecaster, well I added flowers now... does it ruin the twigs?

Salubri3i, I'll probably add more colors soon.

Serena, nails hey?

Cre8iv, thanks for dropping by and thank you :)
Layer masks on top of the folder is more useful to me.

slickgreekgeo, thanks... this is the first time I paint trees, ground, and below the shoulders lol.

MichaelZHsee, thanks for dropping by :)

and overall update...nudity warning!

11 November 2006, 12:16 PM
OH YES !You did a really goood goooodd and good work on their hands !

(I love the tree's trunk too!)

11 November 2006, 01:46 PM
wow...great hands! I love the smiles in the palms.

11 November 2006, 08:01 PM
Ok, wow Frostblade, those trees/flowers//buds look GORGEOUS

The woman is pretty too -- but I fear she doesn't look like she is a part of the background - of course the nekkid girl doesnt either but she is still very WIP.

Of course there are ways to tie her into the background but even the lighting of the dress doesn't quite match... I dunno -- though it all might be still WIP and you can entirely blow me off :)

11 November 2006, 12:05 AM
yeah they don't fit well into the bg atm; haven't put the magic effects in (still designing the base graphic and making sure it doesn't look like someone else's. got summon circles and dragons coming into the picture) and the dress is place holder scribble. I do plan of putting flowers and feathers on it. I'd say I'm just obessed with painting hands and trying to figure out skin texture on body parts atm. It's totally different looking at full res where the vein texture is more visable. I'm hitting a wall right now, kinda brain dead looking at it lol...and depending on the constrast ratio of viewing monitors, can look too dark, grey etc.

11 November 2006, 12:39 AM
your hands are very inspiring. :love:

sigh... that's one of my problem areas. guess i need more practice. :shrug:

11 November 2006, 01:23 AM
Oh I wouldnt worry about my monitor, it's Adobe adjusted (both of them) and they are exactly the same. Nothing about the color looks wrong -- they just dont look tied in together in the same piece... but you explained alla that, so nothing to worry about!

The wall you are hitting is detail-phoria. muuhahah it's an ugly beast =D

Sometimes it helps if you take each little square area and just detail that out. Sometimes a big piece like this can seem SO overwhelming when you know just how much work has to go into it. This is a solid solid piece though, I wouldn't give it up. Take a little break from it and come back later perhaps. paint something totally different!

11 November 2006, 02:39 AM
lovely hand study linda:)very nice indeed.

12 December 2006, 12:26 PM
time to post an update.

excuse the crap magic place holders and's a color test.

I redid her face... and other look more real - there's that wall again lol
Might have to change the pose of one of the hands to suit flow of magic later.

smudge tool - speckle brush set with scatter and angle jitter is good for shading and softening stuff.

12 December 2006, 01:19 PM
Wonderful updates! (how the hell did I miss this?!?) The hands look great (I really like the brushstrokes there too) and her eye/nose close up is beauuuutiful. The way you have painted the eyelashes is really nice. I like how they curve around the form of her eyelid, it's perfect!
More please *greedy*

12 December 2006, 01:53 PM
Coming along very nicely. The hand casting the magic looks great with the translucency. Even the eyeball in the close up looks very convincing.
Keep it up, and don't keep putting yourself down, your work's not crap!:D

12 December 2006, 02:23 PM
I dunno Frostblade, that new eye is creeping me out a little o.O It looks pushed back into her eye socket.

Now, the WAY you paint is gorgeous, just the eyeball placement looks like it might hurt. >.<

12 December 2006, 03:48 PM
Yay...updates! Magic if finally added :bounce: Beautiful beautiful details. And the crisp and softness of it all... :drool: :drool: :drool:

12 December 2006, 08:34 PM
I quote Renee : check the eye-placement.

I especially LOVE the way you painted the nose, neck, shoulders and hands. You did an incredible work, bravissima !:love:

12 December 2006, 08:36 PM
Very nice.. I like!

12 December 2006, 01:13 AM
it's looking great. about the eye... i'm not sure if it's the placement or perhaps the shading of the forms around it that makes it look like it's sunk as renee mentioned. i think however, that making the upper lids pop a bit will help.

anyways, sunken eyes or not... i think i'm in love. :love:


12 December 2006, 07:00 AM
well I'm kinda stuck on the eye placement so to speak.
Am I suppose to cut it out rotate, what part of the exactly should change?
redo the iris?

12 December 2006, 10:26 AM
I don't think there's anything wrong with the eyeball placement, in fact in the photo it looks like it's pushed in even more.

12 December 2006, 11:32 AM
True about the photo -- but the iris and pupil are in entirely different places in the photo, they are lower and the fold of the lid is much much darker, so it looks more natural. That light red color for Frost's eyelid and the placement of the iris is what is making it look a little off.

Oh, it's the white part of the eye showing on the other side of the iris. That isn't showing in the photo and its making the iris look wrongly placed, really just overlay the photo or do a side by side and adjust it - it'd only take a minute :)

12 December 2006, 12:33 PM
white on the other side isn't eyeball white, it's reflection gloss effect though...meant to be anyway hehe... :(

12 December 2006, 12:50 PM
I don't mean the smidge of reflection on the iris, I mean the strip of white that goes down the entire eye on the other side of the iris. In the photo that isn't there -- so in this it gives a wrong impression that we are seeing more eyeball than we should be able to at that angle.

You know, in reality, it matters not at all, since we will never see her that up close in the final :D

12 December 2006, 01:48 AM
I took a series of photos of my eye while looking at a bright window with white see throught blinds and in some cases the iris was somewhat so reflective in some shots that the eye just looks white all over. The white strip does appear in most of the shots, I wanted the effect because the nose has the ultra bright highlight and maybe too much.

Anyways here is the fixed version.
I redid the whole eye area.
and I put a silly insect there for fun which won't be in the final...something different from a :P

time to move on to the dress and all those crazy folds...maybe something in the hair too.

btw this is an awesome tut

12 December 2006, 02:35 AM
Nice Frost
I liked the face, sweety image :D

12 December 2006, 02:51 AM
The face is really impressive; The translucent effect is extremely well done. You seem to be getting caught up in details. Think of the whole composition instead (that usually improves my workflow); I have the same problem as well, it's a struggle really. Keep the updates coming!

12 December 2006, 03:44 AM
beautiful!!! should crop that face as a stand alone - it's gorgeous! So porcelain!

12 December 2006, 06:53 AM
I've seen your artwork before, it's excellent and very clean :thumbsup:
My best wishes and greetings to you!

12 December 2006, 07:08 AM
wow you do such detailed and beautiful work! Flawless blending and I love the way you paint the eye. Can't wait to see the dress, it's going to be gorgeous. I'm in awe!! :bowdown:

12 December 2006, 07:24 AM
Oh yes, it's perfect now :thumbsup:

12 December 2006, 01:12 PM
Stunning update! :thumbsup:
The hint of blue in the hair is really nice. And now the white in the iris definitely reads as a reflection.

12 December 2006, 12:56 AM
thanks everyone :)

now here's an update.
The dress is really bugging me... i wanna cover her shoulders but don't want to hehe
I think she looks's the scribble lace... it bugs me.
The other side needs water splashes or something... and it's really hard to paint water :(

12 December 2006, 09:45 AM
I love that dress!! So pretty...wish I had one just like that :drool:

I know what you mean about painting water; I haven't dared to try... it is really hard. I'll just watch and learn from you, as usual! Looking great so far. :thumbsup:

12 December 2006, 10:13 AM
wow...the dress wow wow wow
another excellent piece

12 December 2006, 11:15 AM
WOW! the dress is just gorgeous!
I think the perspective of the dress makes her look missplaced.
For the moment we see the dress like the horizon was just over her feets.
But since the skyline is placed much higher it feels wrong.
Draw the dress like a cylinder and make some guidelines and I think you'll find the problem:)
good luck!

12 December 2006, 11:55 AM
I love this color usage !
The unique thing I can suggest you is to check the belt : especially the light azure stone, has got a different perspective compared to her hips position and that causes something like a 'strange rotation' of her pelvis.

Can't wait to see more updates ! :thumbsup:

12 December 2006, 12:11 PM
thanks again :)

I'm loathing the bg atm... water, ground stuff...

hehe that wasn't a belt that's just lace scribble with drop shadow effects, I'll try and make it more in perspective in the morning, I might end up with something totally different.

12 December 2006, 01:28 PM
I love the lacy transparent over thing -- just gorgeous. I think it just needs more shading but you could be doing that next of course I dunno :D

Anyway, lovely choice!

12 December 2006, 03:32 PM (

The final I think. I think I will give up and start something else.

Well enjoy.

12 December 2006, 02:41 AM
lookin forward to seeing the whole pic. ;)

12 December 2006, 05:44 AM
The characters are beautiful, i really dig the colrs you used on the overall pictures and particularly on their skin/lips. Like Salubri, i'm looking forward to see the whole picture. :]

Great work! Was nice to see it's progress to even if i didn't reply before.

12 December 2006, 06:42 AM
Opps I forgot to link the picture via the thumbnail. Sorry!

I also tried to submit it to the 2d gallery and it's in my folio right now as well.

12 December 2006, 07:10 AM
Well done! Congrats :thumbsup:

The folds of the dress are really skillfully done. Wish I could see the whole thing at 100%.

12 December 2006, 03:26 PM
Wow! Awesome :O
But to say the truth, I liked this:
dress a bit more XD I don't know why. But this one is cool too :D [damn, whole your drawing owns me :< ]
One question: what is the original, full size of your drawing in pixels? because I saw this: close-up and it's not pixelated so it must be quite big, no?

12 December 2006, 01:05 AM
Its in the 2d gallery as

pap87, sorry I will never post the full version.

aumortis, glad you like it. the picture was done in 3 files and the final version is 10,000x5,800.

It seems like a lot of people dislike the whole image in the 2d area.

12 December 2006, 02:30 AM
don't worry about the stars Frostblade - drive by 1s happen to everyone.

I like this, but almost seperately - if you flipping the girl with the dress on around so she was facing inward, you could crop that whole image with her and the tree and make one smashing composition.

Absolutely stunning details :)

12 December 2006, 02:52 AM
I guess next time I'll do something with an expression and make figure look at something and a more narrow composition horizontal wise.

The important things is I ventured past the face and learned how to paint other bits of the body and my first background ever. It ain't a hit but that's ok... I have way too much free time to make other ones.

12 December 2006, 01:31 PM
Well i loved the background in particular, I think it was very good - very pretty tree and details.

12 December 2006, 01:21 AM
are you kidding? you made a smashing great job with this image. to be honest though... and i hope you don't punch me in the nose for this... i think you shouldn't have declared it final... yet. there are some areas that could use sprucing well, mostly just shadows and shadings though(some areas on the dress, especially on the high collar). i do understand how you feel about moving on though. ;)

i certainly love the final design of the dress. it's not overly done. simple but it carries an air of nobility in it. something a sorceress would be happy to wear. the first design was great but i think it was more appropriate for a ball rather than an evening foray to do some magics. :D

and if i have to say it i think you and kelandra share some innate talent... you both know how to make women inhumanly beautiful ... others must think it's a crime. ;)

12 December 2006, 09:22 AM
Runecaster, the background had too many details and too sharp at one point and I blurred it out but I'm glad you think it's pretty.

Salubri3i, I'll consider revisiting the piece later.
The ball dress was kinda a practice hehe. While painting it there was a time I wanted to pan the camera angle to different one lol but my skills are still too limited for that.

right now, behold man face study lol, something different and never tried before.
it's actual size.
I used a brush from that issue of imagine fx with the hair painting tutorial.
I think i lost the plot with the nose, it sucks...too small.

12 December 2006, 10:20 AM
love the hair and you manipulate the greyscale excellent
boy wonderfull

12 December 2006, 11:28 AM
I especially love the eye's cut. It remembers me something of Tom Cruise, an actor with beautiful eyes :thumbsup:

12 December 2006, 01:07 AM
crits crits... hmm... let's see. you're right that the nose is too small and in addition i think the bridge is a little too straight. the upper lip usually has a darker shade than the lower lip since the lower lip is an up-plane and the upper lip a down-plane. lastly... there's something about his face that grants him a certain feminine quality. was it the intention? androgeny being the in thing these days it's hard to tell. :D

other than that everything looks great. me love the hair. oh and i meant to ask if this was digital or traditional ( :bowdown: ) ?

12 December 2006, 01:58 AM
Funny that tom was mentioned, I've never looked at a picture of tom with close up of his eyes. I don't even watch his movies, not on purpose just never really into movies.

Salubri3i, yeah he looks too fem coz I'm so use to drawing girls, not really the just happened. Also there are lots of guys that have very fem features that make them look prettier than a lot of real girls. It's digital by the way.

Also the hair is done with the brush in that tut.
I highly recommend it, it's almost fool proof.

12 December 2006, 02:29 AM
hey thanks for the link. :D these will come in handy. i'm an idiot when it comes to making my own brushes. lolz or maybe i'm just too lazy. :blush:

your work almost looks like it was traditionally done. had it not been for some parts of the hair there's little evidence that it was digital (i imagine fine lines can't be ). i think that's pretty cool :D

12 December 2006, 01:25 PM
Really nice pic, the last one. I must disagree with Ryan about the lip shading because the head seems to be lit from underneath more than from above so it makes sense to make the top lip so bright.

Damn he'd make a fine looking woman if he had long hair (the guy you drew not Ryan!). I like to really exaggerate facial creases and wrinkles when I draw a male face, I guess I prefer the tougher look, but I gotta say this face looks perfect to me.

Would like to see more!:thumbsup:

01 January 2007, 09:38 AM
News with your pic? :bounce:

01 January 2007, 11:29 AM
CyborgJA, I kinda revisited the summon picture last night... and that's about it.
Mainly coz on CA; one crit say it hurts to look at and I hope it's not so bad now. I kinda like comments that are honest like that, straight to the point to help me improve or move on... but at same time makes me think of Simon Cowell off American

Not working on that male face anymore, kinda trying to compose a dark image of a male character at the moment. I have to plan this really well before I render or it's gonna look like crap compositions tend to suck and got told that rendering skills can be really good but end product still blows if composition, relations and background sucks. If you have any tips on how to improve those things I'm all ears.

01 January 2007, 02:01 PM
First of all, what do you want to express with a male dark subject in this pic?
Is it pure practice-aesthetic or has it got any basic idea?

01 January 2007, 02:24 PM
Well I kinda want to make this guy power hungry, cruel but people are still uncontrollably attracted to him and he takes their life sort of thing....while the prey is grabbing at his leg or cape robe thing.

I just can't decide on a perspective angle of view to best tell the scene in that way and not sure if i wanna go for a "in front of a throne scene" or "deep in a forest alter with decayed old prey" or something.

haha I wish I could do 3d now.

01 January 2007, 02:40 PM
Uhm, there can be multiple solutions...

1. place him in the centre and use a bottom-up point of view to enhance him...while all the other characters are near the like a "pyramic " structure...

2. you can use a spheric composition, with him in the middle, attracting everyone like a black hole does with energy.

3. everything you've got in mind.

The unique and serious suggestion I can give you is : make more sketches with different composition, place them all on a white canvas and select the one you prefer after looking at them more times at day :thumbsup:

01 January 2007, 01:07 AM
Your last drawing is awesome :D but I must agree with Salubri3i that there's something that makes him look feminine.. and I think it's his haircut O.o
I also have a strange feeling that his eyes are not on same height..
But don't worry. Drawing rocks!

01 January 2007, 10:22 AM
Well if anyone is interested my pc is down, the ram died lol
I guess apples are really bad luck.

Life drawing. Not photo ref.

I haven't been able to fix those things or start on the guy pic.

I was kinda reading Linda Bergkvist's thread... how it got so steamy and closed.
It kinda makes me think... do I come off as paintover?

Coz I hope not.

I better go study how to make less boring images.

01 January 2007, 02:42 PM
that apple is SWEET Frostblade :) I love how the highlights show the texture, very very nice =D

01 January 2007, 03:29 PM
I think the texture of the apple is spot on!

As for a less boring image: the key is lighting and setting. If this apple were set on a table of rich oak and lit with the golden glow of morning sunlight it would be much more interesting. :)

01 January 2007, 03:02 AM
Wonderful work on the apple. :thumbsup:

[I was kinda reading Linda Bergkvist's thread... how it got so steamy and closed.
It kinda makes me think... do I come off as paintover?]

I wouldn't worry about that. I wouldn't worry about people cutting you into ribbons because of the level of realism you aim for either... well not until you're famous anyway. :p plus i do believe the issue there was never the art but rather the "percieved"(or pressumed) deception.

As to your art... i hope you don't get offended and believe me I say this in the interest of helping you improve... there's a certain kind of stiffness to them that makes them look unreal although the level of realism is way way up there. I don't know how to pin point it exactly but this sort of phenomenon(?) is common in 3d works and since your art almost reaches that level of detail it's begining to share the same flaws(sorry i can't find a better term :( ). It doesn't pop up in all your works but it shows in some... I'll observe more as you go and maybe be able to tell what it is that makes them look stiff when they do.

As to creating interest in your art... it's usually the paintings that tell a story which people find more interesting. Create a point of interest in your paintings... something that will catch the eye of the viewer. a point to which although his eye will wander thru the rest of the canvas, it will always go back to that point. A visit to ARC is in order. :D View the works of the old masters and see why their images are not only nice to look at but create a feeling, or a send a thought to the viewer. Paintings should not only be beautiful (or for some, disturbing! lol) but should also be intellectual. Bear in mind that painting is a form of visual communication. So what do you want to communicate? Translate your words into images. Feed the eyes, feed the mind and feed the soul with your works and you would have walked the right path with your art.

p.s. contraposto when presenting people can also make a storyless painting look very interesting to look at.

01 January 2007, 03:47 AM
As to your art... i hope you don't get offended and believe me I say this in the interest of helping you improve... there's a certain kind of stiffness to them that makes them look unreal although the level of realism is way way up there. I don't know how to pin point it exactly but this sort of phenomenon(?) is common in 3d works and since your art almost reaches that level of detail it's begining to share the same flaws(sorry i can't find a better term :( ). It doesn't pop up in all your works but it shows in some... I'll observe more as you go and maybe be able to tell what it is that makes them look stiff when they do.

I get what you mean about the stiffness. Things look stiff when it's almost there but it's a few miles off at the same time...or when it's very loosely referenced and drawn from not so good memory. But I must say my foundations are shit and I just really really lack knowledge in drawing those parts and I only know how to texture tiny details while trying to do something different from imagination without understanding a lot of the stuff.
But thing with photo realism is that if you draw it big enough and detail it enough it will look a certain way after a while of refining.

ok...enough typing. Back to loomis basics and pencils.

01 January 2007, 10:27 AM
I totally agree with Laura !

Well... "creating an interesting pic" is the task that each artist has got in his/her mind. If there are tons and tons of book about it .... well...maybe it's not so easy to reach :scream:

The only thing that I can suggest you is to never loose your hope and your wish to improve yourself :arteest:

01 January 2007, 02:46 PM
You posted it! :) This really shows how motivated you are, in terms of learning to perfect human anatomy. Awesome studies, very well done. Thanks for sharing.

01 January 2007, 12:05 AM
frostblade this is amazing!

01 January 2007, 03:16 PM
The only thing that I can suggest you is to never loose your hope and your wish to improve yourself :arteest:

I try to do that in every way possible... personal morals, art, cooking, etc.

slickgreekgeo, I'm only motivated to think but not actually draw atm lol.

soulspline, thanks.

On a side note to cover my bases, I only post here and I do not post anywhere else so if you happen to see my stuff somewhere else that is not me and it could be a thief... or imposter. I am not frostblade at deviantart and that site should not have any of my works and if you see it, report it as stolen.

01 January 2007, 06:38 PM
I will. Any news?

01 January 2007, 12:20 AM
I try to do that in every way possible... personal morals, art, cooking, etc.

slickgreekgeo, I'm only motivated to think but not actually draw atm lol.

soulspline, thanks.

On a side note to cover my bases, I only post here and I do not post anywhere else so if you happen to see my stuff somewhere else that is not me and it could be a thief... or imposter. I am not frostblade at deviantart and that site should not have any of my works and if you see it, report it as stolen.

yes i do belive that frost blade i have a Deviant account aswell but i hate it there soo many art thives and the people there are arse holes...

01 January 2007, 08:28 AM
CyborgJA, Not much news since last night. Still waiting on the RAM.
Never knew that RAM could screw up a system like that lol.
I cooked for my friend's b'day today though. Cake and her favourite foods. She told me to open a bakery shop again lol. (I guess she's trying to tell me where my true talents are) *sniff 22 soon!

I post that not coz I found something if that's what you meant by news... I just post coz I just realised that "frostblade" was not so original after all lol... nor is my real name...damn google search. At least no porn star with same name lol... not that I know of anyway.

soulspline, I don't want to call a whole community arse hole; might offend the nice people that I don't know of. That place is just way too big and complicated. It's kinda like how I don't like to go clubbing... too much noise and smoke (did you see the flames?).

01 January 2007, 09:02 AM
interesting. i grew up 1 block away from one of the most happening spots for nightouts here in my city... and yet i never had a night life. lol

ram can cook your system (or pretty much any other part) if it short circuits. i once had to replace an officemate's computer innards (mboard, memory, expansion cards) because the mother board had a component that short circuited.

i would really like to have star trek technology at home ya know... something that'll enable you to send me the cakes you made electronically. i bet they're good. :D

edit: p.s. sorry for the spam. :D

01 January 2007, 09:57 AM
CyborgJA, Not much news since last night. Still waiting on the RAM.
Never knew that RAM could screw up a system like that lol.
I cooked for my friend's b'day today though. Cake and her favourite foods. She told me to open a bakery shop again lol. (I guess she's trying to tell me where my true talents are) *sniff 22 soon!

I post that not coz I found something if that's what you meant by news... I just post coz I just realised that "frostblade" was not so original after all lol... nor is my real name...damn google search. At least no porn star with same name lol... not that I know of anyway.

soulspline, I don't want to call a whole community arse hole; might offend the nice people that I don't know of. That place is just way too big and complicated. It's kinda like how I don't like to go clubbing... too much noise and smoke (did you see the flames?).

yeah i dont like clubbing too :)
hmmm yeah maybe your right, but still some of my art were stolen from there... its not gonna happen here in the cg society no?
anyway i still have this stupid fever, im very eager to post up my new work but sad to say i cant work due to this stipid fever

thanx for the brushes by the way :) it was very heplfuul in the rendering of the skin i did

01 January 2007, 01:22 PM
Guy with redish-pink hair!
No ref, about 1hr with my old laptop.
I was trying to see wtf I end up with when I draw without ref and anime colors lol.
I don't think I'll change it anymore. I know the shadows are way off and all but it was fun to do.

Hair is again done with that imaginefx workshop support file one.

I just did the equalize test on my image... I don't know how but it got all those yucky big squares on my flat blues in the jpg version but not the psd version. I think it's coz it's PS CS save for web other images were done in CS2 and saved there and had no issues like that when i tested it lol.

01 January 2007, 10:14 PM
Beautiful stuff Frostblade!
Your work has a real delicate sensibility to it!
Will definitely be revisting this thread!
Great work!

01 January 2007, 12:15 AM
the hair looks great :) but i woudnt have my hair colored that way :) heheheh anyway i use enayla's brush and a spackled brush i did for the hair folicles how about ya frostblade what do you use?

01 January 2007, 12:37 AM
I just love the feel for color you have, its nice to see that your studies are paying off :)

01 January 2007, 12:53 AM
was pretty late last night I forgot about the shadow under the hair

I tried her tutorial before but I didn't get anywhere with it.
I use this one

And the default one in photoshop... I'll post the way I use it in screencap with layer thingo.

I just draw and erase some bits if it looks bad and the remains stack up in the layers to get that look. Nothing special.

edit: I made the screencap a norml link coz too big. It's rather messy too so sorry about that.

opps and Alice posted just as I was trying to post hehe.
Thanks for looking :)

01 January 2007, 01:01 AM
it looks great. :thumbsup:

01 January 2007, 01:02 AM
Does it look like a guy this time?

01 January 2007, 01:20 AM
wow you can render! I really admire artists that have the patience & willpower for that style :thumbsup:

my favorite piece is the darker more textured version of mrs. paltrow..thats really great :love:

I wonder what pc specs did ( :( ) you have ..or how much ram to paint in such high resolutions ?

About the adressed stiffness issue, wich only shows a little bit in the summon piece:
You can render very well atm .. a suggestion would be to try a little speedpainting once in a while. It can be frustrating at first but it helps a lot to loosen up and get a feeling for compostion and tension. There should be enough Inspiration here, on ca and on sijun ( imho one of the best speedpainting threads there is :) ). Just give it a try, when you can paint again.


01 January 2007, 01:27 AM
Does it look like a guy this time?

funny you should mention it. i wanted to keep my mouth shut but now that you asked... the the lips are a little feminine. :D

everything else looks fine though. ;)

01 January 2007, 01:43 AM
Oh wow frostblade I love this looser style oooooh yeah looking good!

01 January 2007, 02:08 AM
vahn, mrs. paltrow? Where? Gwyneth?
No, never her. If you are refering to the blonde in 3/4 view that is from a Australian bridal magazine. She doesn't look like gwyneth in mag and my painting didn't look like the model coz I only wanted the angle.

My computer is dead because of the ram lol. It had 2GB ram but I think that wasn't enough and they got over worked and died after 10 months but I only paint ocassionally so if I was always painting then it would of not even last 10 months. I strongly recomment 4GB though. If you work in my size you can't use filters lol... not enough ram error so I have never used the liquidify or something filters.

I use to draw in animeish style but the line work is too hard to pull off to look good so I just went to realistic style since there is no line art to worry about and just went from there.

I will try more speed paints. I know of those threads... I like craig mullin's work a lot...and some other people too but it has been so many yrs since I looked at sijun I forgot.

Thanks for looking.
Salubri3i, hehe I like my guys to look fem and look after their face and skin in general. I recommend all my male friends to go get facials and buy cleanser, moisturizer and exfoliating products. That stuff works as long as you get recommended the right products by the trustworthy beauty salons.

Renee, glad you like it. I get carried away when I'm not familiar with a pose or something and keep over working things.

01 January 2007, 06:13 AM
the colors work really well in tis last pic, maybe tone down the purples.

Also that all the strains of hair(almost all) are in the same direction looks abit fake. I would work more on those parts.

01 January 2007, 11:04 AM
The high glossiness of the lips probably doesn't go too well with males but that's just my opinion.

So you had 2GB of RAM, how high a resolution were you working at? I've only got 1GB and the highest res I've ever had to work at was 4096 square. I guess any higher and I'd be picking up my pieces off the floor.

01 January 2007, 12:15 AM
actually... 2GB of ram is probably more than enough to handle your image even at the uncompressed stage. check the size of your save file and multiply it by two... that's likely how much ram it eats up when loaded. i'm guessing the hardware had a fault earlier on that you didn't know about.

also about rams: you have to check your motherboard manual. sometimes some manufacturers have specifics when it comes to what rams you can use and how many slots it can occupy. there should be a chart on your manual. for example, my computer can have a single 512 mb ram made by pqi installed in a single slot but not on both. which means installing two 512 rams from pqi on two slots would cause memory problems. :D

01 January 2007, 03:55 AM
tell me how to draw hair like that

01 January 2007, 10:26 AM
actually... 2GB of ram is probably more than enough to handle your image even at the uncompressed stage. check the size of your save file and multiply it by two... that's likely how much ram it eats up when loaded. i'm guessing the hardware had a fault earlier on that you didn't know about.

also about rams: you have to check your motherboard manual. sometimes some manufacturers have specifics when it comes to what rams you can use and how many slots it can occupy. there should be a chart on your manual. for example, my computer can have a single 512 mb ram made by pqi installed in a single slot but not on both. which means installing two 512 rams from pqi on two slots would cause memory problems. :D

Quoted. :thumbsup:

02 February 2007, 01:28 AM
I have 2 sticks of 1gb ram btw. I got my computer back for a few weeks but still sick :( so not very productive.

Anyways here's a new study pic. Working on black and white stuff to make my values better... but this is still bleh... the range is still not ideal. I guess I'm scared of harsh lighting and shadows.

Loomis circle diagram for 3/4 view as inspiration.
Weird how I ended up with asian eyes and stuff.

02 February 2007, 06:18 AM
excellent work on this one once again. :applause:

you may want to check his left eye though. i am unsure whether the shape and the position of his pupil is correct. it seems to go closer to the tear gland than the right eye. it's my understanding that they should move in concierto. then again i could simply be reading it wrong.

deftly done nonetheless. :love:

02 February 2007, 04:15 PM
Linda, hope you don't mind. I got a little carried away with doing a paint-over. The first thing I did was to grayscale the image (as it appeared a bit purple on my monitor). Next I ran auto-levels in Photoshop. Then I added a bit more volume and body to the hair (as the straight lines you have were given me the "old guy with a thin pony-tail" vibe). After that, I messed with the eye shape, size, and distance. I changed the background to reflect the light on his face. I also messed with the plains and lighting on his face a bit.

Most likely this is not what you were going for. He definitely looks Caucasian now. But, hope this helps you in some way :)

02 February 2007, 04:31 AM
Ryan, Iíll check the eye and look up some ref for it. I hope he looks less serial killer now.

Laura, I don't mind at all and would like to thank you for taking the time to make it for me. He looks charming in the paint over. I like paint over crits, they say so much more and gives me a new look at things. I have changed a few things and refined his face more. I hope it is better not worse.

Youíre right that your paint over is not what I was going for in terms of looks.

I think I was trying to do him a bit more Asian coz I donít see many of those. I wanted him to be in his 30ís and have a thinning hair line and have it brushed back in the old style. Nothing too modern coz I end up making modern styles look too flamboyant and girly. I was trying to paint him looking over his shoulder as well.

61% size.

02 February 2007, 05:00 AM
once again great work!!! :) yes you have fixed the eyes now :)
by the way remember the art forum im starting up? its growing :) and we like to feature you as an featured artist there if its okay with you. and we will be realesing an online magazine asweel and it will be there too
and it has a new look and feel see it at

02 February 2007, 05:19 AM
nice work. I has a nice tactile, grainy, pencil feel about. my only observation more then a crit is that the cheek down to the jaw line and back up to the ear is very evenly shaded by comparison to the neck, making it look fleshy or chubby. But theres nothing wrong with that if thats your intention. The eyes are looking good. tho the bottom eye lid on the light side of the face seems to come up to far on the nose side. if that makes any sense

02 February 2007, 09:49 AM
Very nice, I like the 40's 50's look of this. I'd say from the nose down he is caucasian and from the eyes up he is asian. I especially like the way you treated the hairline.


02 February 2007, 11:16 AM
soulspline, thanks for viewing.

oco, his face is intended to be a bit chubby and fleshy. I see what you mean by the eye, I'll fix that later and watch out for that in future pieces. It seems to also be a slight value issue as well.

pap87, I really like the 40's 50's look so classic and elegant! My ref for fixing bits was Eurasian (bfís brother coz he looks older). Hair line was a fluke coz no ref for that part as the guy in the ref has full head of hair in totally different style. Could have something to do with cutting and coloring people's hair for many years.

02 February 2007, 06:28 PM
He's beautiful!! I really like it that he looks like a real person, sometimes when you're drawing out of your head, it gets a little difficult to do. The treatment on the hair and face is very delicate. A wee bit more work on the ear maybe?

02 February 2007, 06:31 AM
Just popping in to say hi :)

I enjoy looking at your works as always. Hope to see another beautiful painting soon.


03 March 2007, 01:08 AM
Hi Linda, thanks so much for all those wonderful links in my thread...if my boyfriend wasn't threatening to kill me if I don't stop typing (because 'the keyboard makes too much noise', lol) I'd try them all out right away! First thing tomorrow:).

The work in here is wonderful. Have you ever thought about doing stuff like gesture studies etc.? (maybe you are and I haven't seen some links - I can be a goose at stuff like that). That might help a great deal with fluency and dynamics. Not that I have them:) but I've noticed all the great people in here that can effortlessly do a speedpainting, really can make the right shapes fast. They usually don't fuss about details...and yet everything seems in the right place. I want to know how to do that, too!!

Have to go to bed now, hope to see new work here soon!

03 March 2007, 05:22 PM

There's something to look at so i'm not just bumping this for no reason. It's totally messed up but at least it counts into a drawing a day.

Iridyse, thanks for poping by. That pic is getting old and well I moved on to something else but I'll keep working on ears.

kelandra, woot it's been a while.

Maladie, good links and info are meant to be shared. i haven't been doing full bodies lately... doing expressions on the face in black and white...self portraits with a mirror. That up there is a really messed up semi self portrait. I guess don't paint yourself without washing your face at 2am in the morning lol...shiny.

03 March 2007, 06:34 PM
Nice high lights. Your works are becoming alot more natural.
Alot more confident and comfortable.

03 March 2007, 01:21 PM
It has got a perfect nose and a perfect mouth. Check only the right eye's plane cause now is a little shifted "to the edges of the skull" while the left one is, of course, perfect.

Can't wait to see more updates !

03 March 2007, 02:15 PM

Well something new, something me.
Just a quick sketch to brush off the dust on the wacom.
I tried harder with the eye area, without over doing it with color and values like last time.

03 March 2007, 06:21 PM
:D I really love your art. I think that your skin texture experiment that you did with the woman turned out really good. I wanted to reach out and touch the skin. I also love your eyes, they get so much better each time and they look so real. You are quite skilled. Keep up the good work. :thumbsup:

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