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03 March 2006, 12:02 PM
I currently feel like I'm running on the spot with my figure drawing, I'm working through burne hogarths "Dynamic Figure drawing" and sketch 1 hour/day. I'm not sure what it is, I'm guessing it's the figure unity that I have to work on but something looks awfully wrong with the way I draw the muscle interconnection, especially connecting the ribcage area and the stomach muscles....Maybe it's just not enought practice?....I'd really appreciate any feedback
03 March 2006, 01:00 PM
These are looking good ~ what I would suggest is to do a more concentrated, focused single drawing to try to work through the drawing problems you feel you are encountering.
Draw fairly large, and use either pencil or pen ~ map out the forms in a linear fashion, then I would recommend shading. Post your WIP here too if you like. :)
The best way to work through these things is to do more exploratory drawings, just as you are doing. Keep up the good work!
03 March 2006, 03:58 PM
Oh, snap. Nice figures so far. You're off to a great start, and as you've guessed, practise will lead to better understanding. Keep doing those studies, because these are showing a lot of promise, I think. Watch out for those eyes on the female head in your third pic; they're a little too far apart. The human head typically has about one eye-width between the eyes (and another eye-width on either side of them; the head is typically about 5 eyes wide).
If it helps any, I can definitely see Hogarth's influence in a lot of your studies. :thumbsup:
03 March 2006, 05:16 PM
Hey, thanks for the feedback!
Rebecca - Always there for us newbs, thx XD. I'll give it a shot. I won't be able to post too much (Got my A Levels coming up) but once improvement shows I'll post it up and hope to hear your from you
LoTekK - Thanks for the motivational post, it helps, I need a little of that every now and then. Since you're also practicing figure drawing, if you don't mind my asking, how often do you practice or what do you do exactly?
I'd like to know how much I should be drawing/day to improve step by step. I currently do 1 hour analog and the other digital (coloring) 5 days/week and have 2 folders stuffed with nothing but figure drawing sketches (back and front) How many folders to go untill I'm happy with my work? Or does it depend on HOW I work? I mean, how much did people practice that really are at the top? Any ideas?
Bhairava = )
03 March 2006, 05:17 PM
I like your drawings....was wondering if you also have DYNAMIC ANATOMY by Burne Hogarth
That one needs to be mastered first before you can really get the full benifit of DYNAMIC FIGURE DRAWING....just thought I would mention it, in case you did not have it...it will help
you with proportions ect...
Keep up the nice drawings, and for sure...POST MORE...:thumbsup:
03 March 2006, 08:04 PM
hi there, it's nice to see another dedicated learner. :) i agree with spirit dreamer that studying hogarth's dynamic anatomy along with dynamic figure drawing will help you a lot.
you're off to a great start, your figures have bulk already and i like your torso studies, but i noticed that you have a tendency to make arms a bit short and studying about proportion some more will help. do you have Loomis' books? those are also great to study. hogarth breaks the body down into simpler parts (isn't he a genius?) but it's important that you don't focus too much on the parts first. think of the whole figure first and check if the size of each part in relation to the others is right, only then start to break it down into the parts.
it's great that you started your anatomy thread, this will help a lot and it's a lot more fun than studying on your own! the important thing is to practice continuously and keep up your enthusiasm. for sure you'll get better and better! :thumbsup:
03 March 2006, 10:32 PM
Hello Bhairava, welcome aboard. nice start :D, i dont know if you are a beginner or not, but either way dont hesitate to join us in the beginners lounge thread and do some gesture drawing practice from rebecca, i personally find it really useful. good luck & see you there :beer:
03 March 2006, 11:07 AM
Wow what a community :)
Spirit Dreamer - Strange that you say that I just ordered it 3 days ago :D But shipping is gonna take about a month. The world's different when you live in Austria.... :sad:
Lyneran - Hey thx. Yeah I've also got Loomis' 'Figure drawing for all it's worth' but I honestly said haven't used that much, till now I found Hogarths book very enlightning, as you said "genius" It's true I mainly draw the parts seperately, I'll try with your advice.
Dreamy Kid - I'll have a look thx
I'm gonna continue practicing like always but I just don't know how often I'll be able to post (once a week?) Cause I'm focusing on my A Levels currently, and our scanner is all the way in my dads office. But I'd really appreciate if you could all drop by every now and then to give C&C :D
Bhairava = )
03 March 2006, 11:16 AM
I'd like to ask what you guys think of my short comic
Photoshop 'Nebezial Blending'
03 March 2006, 11:54 AM
Hi ....Bhairava 7...:)
Glad to hear that you just ordered that book...:thumbsup:
I had him for a teacher years ago....was a really amazeing teacher AND MAN...
In his teaching, he uses exageration to make the principles he's teaching clearer.
The idea when learning from him, is to come away totally understanding the principles
he teaches, but at the same time to develope your own style or voice, so you don't
become just an imatation, with someone elses voice or style.
In other words, apply his principles to your own studies from models and life ect, but in
the end develope your own style or voice, that is unique to YOU...:)
When you can , get his other books ...LIGHT and SHADE, WRINKLES and DRAPERY,
and DRAWING the HUMAN HEAD.....GREAT books, and will always be there,with their principles when you run into problems in the future...I still find myself searching their
pages for the corect answers to problem figures, even after all these years.
Looking forward to seeing your progress..:thumbsup:
04 April 2006, 11:53 AM
I just recieved "Dynamic Anatomy" book yesterday
Here are some updates. It'd be cool to get feedback
Bhairava = )
04 April 2006, 11:54 AM
04 April 2006, 11:57 AM
All of your previous feedback was extremely helpful, I started drawing figures as a whole and realised I had no clue about weight and gesture so I tackled that with the help of the mannikin frame approach (loomis)
So again, thanks a lot for the C&C!
04 April 2006, 01:53 PM
Holy crap, you've obviously been busy! :) I can definitely recognise some of the studies from the book, so good job on that. The figure studies are really solid overall, though on a handful of pages the legs are looking a mite short (on some, the lower legs in particular). That said, it's fantastic that you're showing such dedication, and you're certainly off to a great start. :thumbsup: Great variety of poses, too. Sweet stuff.
04 April 2006, 06:12 PM
Hi....Bhairava 7......FANTASTIC....going from stick figures done in outline, to figures with
volume and depth.
KEEP AN EYE ON YOUR HEAD SIZES....CHILDREN have big heads, but not muscular bodies,
you want to be able to fit three heads across the length of the shoulders.
use that butterfly shape for the hip area always...very important, for different angles ect.
When you creat these figures at first, ...try starting out with the butterfly hip section, then
add the upper torso, with the elastic mid section in between the hips, and the ribcage, then
add the legs, ankles and feet......next add the shoulders and arms, wrist, hands and fingers.
LAST, BUT NOT LEAST....add the neck head and face.Try creating your figures in that order at first...it will allow you to see your proportions easier.
Also try starting out with a simple peanut shape ...in the shell shape...small part of peanut will be the hip
area, and the longer part of peanut will be the ribcage area....apply forms in the same
sequence as mentioned above....buy a bag of peanuts, and study them....master the PEANUT...LOL.....THAT'S WHAT BURNE HOARTH USED TO SAY....SERIOUSLY...;) TRY drawing it from all the different angles that you can creat, and watch how how much easier it becomes to creat your figures.
You might also do studies of the different parts of the figure seperatly, so that when you creat a whole
figure, it will come out that much better, because you will have a deeper understanding
of each component, and will have a better sense of how it relates and ties into the rest
of the figure.
LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING YOUR PROGRESS....the last couple of pages that you
just posted, look a lot better than the first two...that is a great sign for sure, and means that they will just keep getting better with time and a whole lot of PRACTICE...;)
04 April 2006, 07:17 PM
@LoTekk Thanks, you're right about the legs, I'll work on that = )
@SpiritDreamer - Heya, thanks you're really a great motivator = )
It actually didn't intend to draw any children, I must have drawn the dudes a bit to small =P I'm having trouble with head studies, there's some stuff about it in "Dynamic Anatomy" but hardly anything about foreshortening the head...and I don't know if I'm ready to pay for another book just for "the human head" I'll just continue practicing without for now
I actually always start with the ribcage, like it says in the book. Is it supposed to be with the butterfly? Or only when I draw figures from the back?
PEANUTS it is = )
I used to only study the parts of the figure separately but when I started drawing the figure as a whole (like Lyneran suggested) I realised that I couldn't draw them in total without looking really strange or have weight.
But I'll definitely do separate studies, especially for anatomy
Aside: I can't use the smilies, whenever I try the browser window jumps up to the top without inserting anything, ideas? (need my smilies..=P) The same when I try to make a hyperlink
04 April 2006, 08:43 PM
Hi...Bhairava 7... It is best to start with the hip, or pelvic area...that is the base that everything else
stems from, whether in a seated or standing or moveing position...pretty sure Hogarth points
that out in his book, ..I remember him pointing it out in class....but that is just one method
among many,....In deep forshortening, different principles apply....it is best to learn to walk,
before you run, or you will probably fall on your face...does that make sense...:)
That book of his on the human head, is a must, and is really worth the money, if you truly want to understand how to creat
a convincing figure without a model....just my opinion though....You should eventually buy all
of his instrution books, after all, he created them for you, and every one else who is interested
in creating figures, and not just copying them....why short change your SELF...:)
04 April 2006, 09:58 PM
hi there bhairava7 glad to see you're drawing a lot, you can be sure your hard work is very much worth it and will definitely pay off. i like your torso and pelvis studies, hogarth is really helping you, so keep that up. all his books are really helpful so if you can, definitely check out the rest of the series. master studies also help a lot. i checked out your comic btw and i think you've got a pretty good sense of movement. :) try the method spiritdreamer suggested (the peanut with butterflies. weird what we have to study to draw ourselves :D), i will study it myself. (thanks spiritdreamer!) looking forward to seeing more of your work! :thumbsup:
04 April 2006, 05:29 AM
@SpiritDreamer - I just double-checked it in the book and it said "The torso is primary" so it seems like I had interpreted it wrong all along (I always started with the ribcage...ts, Austrians...= ) Ok so I'll do it with the torso as primary
....hhmm..about the book, well I was wondering if I'd get a few books from a different artist, like Vilppu for example. I don't really want to go hardcore Burne Hogarth, I'd like to mix my influences, also to create my own style. Suggestions?
@Lyneran - Thanks a lot. Yep, hard work is the only way to get there, with loads of practice, practice and practice and I'm very much willing to pay the price = ) Lol yeah it's what you say about drawing ourselves, never thought of it that way, lol.
Again thanks everyone and hope to be back soon, I'll post again when there's further improvement and a lot of room for correction = )
04 April 2006, 08:44 AM
What a way to go practicing! This reminds me that I need to get my behind in gear and crank out some sketches. I like the direction you're going in with the relaxed, lose figure construction. Nice concentration on gesture and form instead of detail.
04 April 2006, 02:30 PM
Fantastic to see your progress, and it's great that you've gotten your book! :) What I recommend at this point is to focus on one full figure drawing from Hogarth's book and to copy it, being loose at first in your drawing, and then finely rendering it. This will really put the information into your brain, as you reiterate the same lines repeatedly.
Looking forward to your progress, you're doing a great job! :)
04 April 2006, 08:29 AM
I'll practice it that way
05 May 2006, 06:47 AM
Hi All, thanks again for the feedback, it was really helpful. I was surprised how much I had "jumped" in "dynamic figure drawing" which I thought wasn't all to important. Like the butterfly shape. And the wedge box.
Sorry, only fotos
05 May 2006, 06:47 AM
05 May 2006, 10:12 AM
Big improvement in your proportions along the way....really solid studies.
What you have learned so far has shown up in that figure of the girl with the short dress
standing and pointing....GREAT little drawing...nice and loose, and well proportioned..:applause:
You might want to try your hand at working with conte crayon on a large pad of newsprint.
That is the method that Burne Hogarth used to get some of his finest drawings...it is a step
closer to painting....the conte crayons creat a greater sense of volume and weight...shadow and depth...plus working big, has a way of forcing you to not take shortcuts with the figure.
Also working at arms length away from the paper forces you to work from the shoulder, which
gives your drawing and figures much more energy, strength, and a sence of the DYMAMIC OF THE HUMAN FIGURE .
You are showing GREAT progress , so keep at it, and post more....REALLY looking forward to seeing your figures come alive....:thumbsup: :)
05 May 2006, 08:03 PM
Wow, enormous progress here ~ it's terrific to see so much new work! :) I'm really enjoying seeing these Hogarth studies, I think they are tremendously useful. Keep up the good work, and keep posting!
05 May 2006, 05:54 AM
@Spirit Dreamer - Thanks a bunch, you're the real motivator! The conte crayon idea sounds great, I'll have to try that when I'm back from my exams. Shading with pencil can get really tedious. I have a question, when Hogarth talks about foreshortening in his books, he says the width always remains constant. Now I'm having trouble differing, because in some foreshortening it doesn't, like extreme foreshortening. Or is that something else?
@Rebecca - Thank you. You were really right, the studies helped a lot. I'd normally only do ruff sketches
Bhairava = )
05 May 2006, 06:55 AM
Regarding the width in foreshortening ! What Hogarth says is Not an Absolute statement , only that the width doesnt change as much as we might imagine or are used to seeing done by comic book artists .You can examine the paintings of by masters like Titian( crucifiction paintings),or books by others Like Jeno n\Barcsay who have done extensive life study of the reclined figure in perspective you will see there is indeed not that much of change(at least not noticable to the eye) in width since the subject is already at a distance from you .
Hope this helps.:)
05 May 2006, 09:02 AM
@Thomas Phoenix - Thanks, that clarifies the foreshortening issue. I checked you're anatomy thread - I-M-P-R-E-S-S-I-V-E! It's exactly the direction I want to head, in the sense of loose, sketchy, quick - just brilliant! If you have any further ideas, tips, crits I'd appreciate anything!
06 June 2006, 07:05 PM
06 June 2006, 07:25 PM
Here come some new sketches. Ive been having a rough time with certain areas of anatomy, like the armpit or sides of the ribcage and certain areas of the lower arm and upper legs. Im considering getting bridgmans constructive anatomy, suggestions? Id also appreciate any advice on shading, no clue how to approach that.
And one more thing, does anybody know how I can change my thread name? Thx
06 June 2006, 07:28 PM
06 June 2006, 07:29 PM
06 June 2006, 08:45 PM
Great update here! :)
There's no need to pm me when updating your thread, I generally check the forum daily and try to respond as quickly as I can, but bear in mind I'm human and have lots to do, so may not necessarily get back to you right away, or respond to every post. ;) But I do try. ;) The site has also been slow lately which has been a bit prohibitive in terms of posting. Please be patient, and I will get to your thread when I can. :)
A lot of great work here! I would definitely encourage you to continue with these. What about life studies? Do you have any access to figure drawing classes?
06 June 2006, 06:45 AM
Hi Rebecca, sorry for being impatient, Ill wait in future. images/icons/icon10.gif
No Im afraid, I have neither the possiblitiy nor the money. But Ive always wondered, in what respect does life drawing differ from the "learn through books" approach?
06 June 2006, 08:39 AM
No problem! :)
Ive always wondered, in what respect does life drawing differ from the "learn through books" approach?
Life drawing is important because it teaches you how to inject movement / gesture / and life into a drawing. It's also just means that you are observing the real figure close at hand. Having said that, however, there are advantages to studying from reference and copying from the many resources that are available on the web. If you live near a museum, it's a great idea to go there and sketch. And if you don't live near a museum, there are tons of online resources for artwork, such as:
06 June 2006, 03:09 PM
nice shitload of studies!! I bet you learn fast this way!
keep it up man :applause: what books do you generally use? Hogarth?
06 June 2006, 11:01 AM
Thanks Rebecca, Ill have a look at what possibilities there are.
@ Cyanid, thanks a lot. Your studies are very impressive. Yeah I use hogarth, loomis and soon will be getting a few others.
06 June 2006, 11:53 AM
Looks like you have been busy on those studies....solved your proportion problem looks like:applause:
Next you might want to do a detailed study of a good Michelanglo drawing, or maybe RUBENS....:bounce:
This will really put what you have learned from Hogarth to the test, and will help take your drawing skill to a higher level.....while you are doing a copy of a master drawing, try to capture the ...LINE QUALITY, and see if you can creat ATMOSPHERE through LINE VARIATION.
You might also try drawing and skeching using ball point pen...you will end up with a much finer line, once you MASTER IT......:)
Keep posting....really enjoy seeing this kind of progress....:thumbsup:
06 June 2006, 10:32 AM
Thanks a lot Spirit Dreamer, I haven't done any leg anatomy yet and I've just started on arms (there's a lot to remember) but I'll do studies anyhow. I'll post in around another month, or whenever there's progress. Thanks a lot everyone! Your feeback is really helpfull, I get so used to seeing my sketches that I don't notice the mistakes, its great to have people who point them out and suggest corrections, thanks a bunch!
08 August 2006, 02:37 PM
Here some new stuff, I got "Constructive Anatomy" form Bridgman and I must say it is really helpful, it clarified the lower arm anatomy a lot for me. Anyway here 'goes:
08 August 2006, 02:44 PM
08 August 2006, 03:57 PM
Wow, lots of great stuff and improvement here! :thumbsup: I'm really impressed to see the amount of work that you've done so far. Keep up the good work! :)
08 August 2006, 04:16 PM
Ohhh Burne Hogarth!!1
I've been studying under his books for a few months, but recently been burning myself out all too often. Thanks for sharing, for you may have shown me a new method I can try to see if I can get back motivated. Check my scketchbook to see what I mean (mine are all too rendered).
08 August 2006, 06:31 PM
This is with regard to your PM on C&C, Since I can explain some concepts much better visually I am taking the liberty to paint over your drawings, I hope u dont mind.
Hope this helps
08 August 2006, 12:13 PM
Thank you Rebecca
@ThomasPhoenix, Thanks a lot, I'll work on what you've pointed out.
Bhairava = )
08 August 2006, 01:45 PM
Ups ->had to remove double post
08 August 2006, 01:49 PM
I'm soon of to England starting university so I'm going to have to stop posting studies for a while to gathering up a portfolio for a part-time job to pay the studies. I'll do sketches and I'm gonna get started on a few master studies once I'm settled. For now I'm going to post things that I'm going to put in my portfolio, I'd be thankful for any useful tips. I hope nobody minds me posting other things like environments or vehicles in future. Or is there a better place to do that? I'd just like it here, since it's all in one, which would simplify things. So here are two almost finished ones, one the racer I might still change the background to a darker one and as for the pointing girl, the sock color feels a little off, but I'm not sure which other to use?
Bhairava = )
08 August 2006, 02:35 PM
Here's a more illustrative approach suggested by my friend:
08 August 2006, 02:35 PM
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