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03 March 2006, 09:54 PM
Alessandra Mancinelli is entered in the "The Journey Begins Challenge" update: View Challenge Page (

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03 March 2006, 12:08 PM (

Papallona arrived straight, slipped out of their pupa. She must wait here some minutes, until their wings are drying. So she has time to look around, to see all the news and get along, before she can begin her first journey as a butterfly. Her pose is to clarify that (I hope). But with the wings I am still unfortunate.

03 March 2006, 12:10 PM
As I could read, the participants have 3 months time for this Challenge. Now I would like to try to participate.

I saw so many first-class pictures and sketches here and I wish to all participants: much luck and fun!

03 March 2006, 12:49 PM
Nice story... and sketch already promising... waiting for next step now... best of luck for your project Ravena :thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 01:11 PM
Hi Ravena! Great to see you've entered the Challenge! :thumbsup: Best of luck!!! :bounce:

Cheers, :)


03 March 2006, 01:11 PM
I do like the story as well. Cool sketch too. I think the story have lots of potentials and I'm curious to see how this will be developed, so i'm subscribed :)!! Good luck Alessandra! :thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 01:20 PM
I'd like to see the pupa so that I know she just came out of it. Great update. Keep going.

03 March 2006, 01:30 PM
Hi Lemog,

thanks for your attendance and for the praise, makes me happy and is a stimulus for me.
(God, my English ...) :)

Hi Rebecca,

you are debt that I'm are here. :D Thank you so much. :)

Hi Loris,

uuuiii, thank you! :) I hope I don't disappoint your expectations.

For the moment I don't look here yet correctly through. Am I now each sketch, each change posts to the submitting link?
I thought also, the complete Story was post only at the end with the finally picture? Well no matter, I can clean-set her here already times first as text.

Story behind my picture:
Life is the most exciting journey. Therefore I decided for a nature, which symbolizes this life-cycle for me the best. It's the butterfly. By the metamorphosis the journey begins from new. In my picture I would like to record the instant, in which the butterfly straight slipped out of the pupa. He must still wait before he can loose-fly, because his wings must only still dry. So he has Time to look around a little, to wonder about all the things around him, before the journey begins into the life (Survive). The topic metamorphosis is a classical component in the category Fantasy. A female character with wings is therefore nothing new. But, however I want to try, the miracle of the birth, the miracle of nature, to record the magic moment in the face and attitude of the character.

03 March 2006, 01:43 PM (

Here is a rough sketch of the pupa and of a background-character, perhabps which I would like to build into the concept.

03 March 2006, 02:12 PM
I entirely follow you in this way of story/concept... life is certainly the most beautiful and interesting Journey so far...

I really like the first sketch pose, as if Papallona was just falling out of her pupa... maybe with much curiosity about the exterior world...

03 March 2006, 02:21 PM
Hi Ravena,

jetzt bist du ja doch dabei! Kolossal!

Alles was du an Bildern hochlädst landet als Reply in diesem thread und zudem wird das erste posting automatisch aktualisiert. Lt. Kirt sollte man nicht an den autmatisch generierten Bildern editieren, da ansonsten irgendetwas in der VErwaltung der Einträge durcheinandergerät...

Looking forward to what is going to happen here...!


(and yeah, Rebecca made us do it. I was kind of hysterical about it in the beginning, but that changed rather quickly to gratefulness... :) )

03 March 2006, 03:53 PM
See, now aren't you glad that the moderators didn't delete your thread like you asked them to? :)

Nice concept and sketches so far. I especially like the pose of the winged person ready to take off. She's obviously a female, with the breasts, but the shoulders are very wide and look a bit more like a man's shoulders, to me at least. But it's a great pose, keep working on it!

Best of luck, and have fun!


03 March 2006, 04:00 PM
needs more blood and fire!


03 March 2006, 04:06 PM (

Lazy as I am (no, I only don't like some milestone as "lineart" also like others here, because I am more a worker out from color blocking), eehm ... thus again: lazy as I am, I brought the pupa with copy and paste from mine concept sketch #2 in my first sketch. Then I deleted digitally the old wings and painted some new quickly. Now I find it's look more harmonious.
With the result I am first times content, but whether that looks good, I see (feel) only by coloring.

03 March 2006, 04:23 PM
Hi Mr. Mu and walrus,

yes, I do not like these half begun things. *g* It was like that, as if he would have pushed me again and again to paint something. :D

Mr. Mu, thanks for the clearing-up and subscribing. :)

walrus, thank you.
... but the shoulders are very wide and look a bit more like a man's shoulders, Perhaps it's the influence of Burne Hogarth, since I painted each quantity of men. Thanks for the reference, I will have a big look of it if I begin with Coloring and if the shoulders look still so strong then I will correct it.

Squibbit, tzetze, she does not climb from an uterus. :D

03 March 2006, 04:52 PM
Squibbit, tzetze, she does not climb from an uterus. :D

:surprised ew, i meant some good honest bloodshed and
violence, not some grown up woman crawling out
of another one's womb :cry:


03 March 2006, 04:57 PM
You want me that I kill the straight born woman? :cry:

03 March 2006, 05:09 PM
You want me that I kill the straight born woman? :cry:

aw don't cry lady, I don't want you to kill the woman.

just kill somebody

comon, for squibz, pleez! :sad:


03 March 2006, 05:27 PM
only for you ...

... and now, cause of the nature-rules, you must cook and eat this thing ... :D

03 March 2006, 05:48 PM
Hey Ravena, nice sketches ^^

Any ideas for for the back scene?

03 March 2006, 06:09 PM
only for you ...
... and now, cause of the nature-rules, you must cook and eat this thing ... :D

she kills for me


yes u give the blood i gots the fire

with my nice flaming halo :P

03 March 2006, 09:56 PM (

Now playin around with stuff, the background remains inconspicuous and in the right back I try to accommodate the other figure.

03 March 2006, 10:02 PM
Hi Faras,

thanks. Yes, I have some ideas for the background, but I probable remain with an inconspicuous background, which diverts not from papallona.Heh Squibbit, you're a drawing killermachine. :-p (Lil boy and fire is cool and cute.)

03 March 2006, 07:32 AM
Good update Alessandra!! Now i start to feel the begining of the journey!! :)
I think now you should spent time on the composition.
I would see this character within a huge environment where the suroundings include lot's of trees, insects, animals, flowers, etc. The character could be small for a more dramatic composition. In that way you can show that is about to begin an exciting journey against the wonders of nature, which represent life!! :) Just a thought! Keep up.

03 March 2006, 07:35 AM
Do you planed to do a sad mood as the latest colored drawing... or more oriented to the life, to the born, to a new era, towards the blooming of the new life day ?

03 March 2006, 06:00 PM
Hey Alessandra,

Your choosen a really nice concept for your challenge. and the initial art work looks great. I'd definatly keep those butterfly wing big. Like how you had in your line art drawing.

Though the character is central to the piece I wouldn't forget about the surroundings the compostition of the last colour drawing seems to leave little space between the character and the margin of the drawings. You should think maybe about leaving some space on top of the character and having looking up at the surrounding world.

This start of life can be a really nice piece work on those colour and I'd fill myself with reference of forrests. Keep it up!

I'll subscribe and see how you're going

Best Wishes

03 March 2006, 09:48 PM (

I changed the Canvas Size, so that is more place above and below Papallona for mood and background. Details come later, with the WIP Coloring (Trees, plants, possibly still insects). Next step is add shadow and light, but I'll do these also by WIP Coloring.

03 March 2006, 10:04 PM
My eyeballs just exploded!:scream:

03 March 2006, 10:14 PM
Hi Loris,

a lil bit from that which you wrote I converted in. (Forget my terrible English.) So similarly I also introduced myself, here a few insects, there flying natures, one two three fishes... I did not pack so much however yet inside, because I would like to look first times, how that works everything in the picture.
Thanks for your thoughts.

Hi Lemog,

no nothing sad, even if the first colors came so darkly therefore. I prefer warm colors, flowering life, the charm of nature for this motive. The Coloring comes only still. Which is to be seen here at color, helped me only with the line art and composition.

Hi Yone,

first thanks for praise. :) I changed the size now completely. I hope it's now better than before. I will give myself much trouble to bring nature into the picture.


This picture here is only my first challenge, and also my first composition/concept. I will win no price, but each quantity of experience. Therefore I hope that you all help me further with advice and criticism.


What would you like to say to me thereby? Are the colors too sharp? There are not the final colors, see my text to Lemog. :wise: But thanks for screaming. :D

03 March 2006, 10:19 PM (

Same picture without colors which explored eyeballs. ;-)

03 March 2006, 10:57 PM
Hi Alessandra! Good works.
I prefer the colors of the second update. I prefer that mood which I think it could have some more color contrast in future updates.
I agree that you dont want to put too much details on the animals or suroundings yet. All in good time. :)
However, on the composition I would suggest you to make the page much bigger. So that the buterfly will be a bit smaller, the buterflies in the background could be a bit smaller or remain the same, but the environment around will have more space so the painting will have more space to breath. Espesially you should try avoiding having the butterflies in the background placed on the edge of the page.
Oh, and I like the fish and flowers details :)
Anyway, good work. I'll be checking!

03 March 2006, 10:42 AM (

I have to made Papallona smaller to have more place for the background things.

03 March 2006, 10:55 AM
Hi Loris,

I followed your advice and made papallona smaller, I think now it's much better than before. About the figures in the background I will worry later, but as you have said I set them away from the edges. Thanks for your good Suggestions.
The colors are also not yet final, I experiment still around. Thanks for your helpful comments.


03 March 2006, 11:02 AM
much much better now!! :) The entire composition breaths well!! Nice one ;)

03 March 2006, 01:41 PM
Hi Ravena!
Good luck to you too, I love your background treatment, I look forward to seeing how this progresses.:)

03 March 2006, 09:08 PM (

I changed the form of papallonas wings, because they looked too „dear“ before.
The conclusion of the pond at the edge of the picture disturbed me, so I leads the pond now to the left and right and thinks that gives the picture more area.
Apropos more area, I worked more blue tones into the picture and hope, it is a sign of depth. (Okay that is no more to the category „line art“, it's more to WIP coloring.)

03 March 2006, 12:16 AM
Oh wow you don't waste time! Big leap forward.

03 March 2006, 05:34 PM (

small background charakters and closed pupa

03 March 2006, 05:53 PM (

I set the background characters into the picture. They are much smaller than the main character, perhabs it becomes clear that she is the queen. She thus not start only a journey after her metamorphosis, she also take the rule over the area.

03 March 2006, 05:51 PM
nice sketches, and colours!! keep up the good work!! and good luck on the challenge!! have fun!!:D

03 March 2006, 07:42 PM
Your making great progress, dying to see the finished one ^^

:bounce: Seeya

03 March 2006, 09:42 PM
I like how you're experimenting with different lightning effects. The perspective is strong in this piece. Don't want to go too much into critique as it's still very rough, but you're off to a strong start.

03 March 2006, 09:45 PM
the little faeries could have collected some berries for de queen to eat, they
could be carrying more of them to her in the pic


03 March 2006, 05:08 AM
Hi Alessandra, I realy loved this ideas they look so great, as i can see you still working on your line art so i won't say anything about the colors, if you are going to start from this colors then you need to fix details and make them more clear.

nice ideas keep the good work i'll have my i on this.:thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 12:33 PM (

Changes: I set the Main character from the center somewhat further to the right. In the right bottom I've reflected a background figure. Next step: wip coloring

03 March 2006, 01:16 PM
cool Ravena. Liek u added trees in the background. Gives it depth. Characters look fine. I like ur study of them. But I think you should try having them in different sizes because the ones are on the further back should be smaller than the ones in the foreground. I would also see something in the foreground, maybe some grass or the corner of the tree... something for a more interesting composition. her wings look much better now.
Overall good work, keep it up!! :thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 02:07 PM
Hi Ravena!

Cool to see how far you already are! Looking great.

03 March 2006, 10:03 AM
nice going with the butterfly faerie,awaiting to see ur updates,especially on the pair of wings.:)her skinniness is made by intention right?i though she'll look better if she's alil fleshy~:scream:

03 March 2006, 01:17 PM
yeah i agree with loris, the ones in the back should be smaller, it would give bigger depth on it all, and the grass and plants in first plan...that would be intresting also...keep it up!:D

03 March 2006, 01:41 PM
Hi ...Ravena...:wavey: :)

Always trust your first INSTINCT and VISION....YOUR ORIGINAL THOUGHT IS BEAUTIFUL..:applause:




I think you should make her laying on her back ...on top of the cocoon ....with her wings
hanging down...drying out in the sun.....high up in a tree top....her cocoon suspended from the bottom of a tree branch.
Have close up shot of her and cocoon, and bottom of branch she is hanging from, with an areal view of the landscape and horizon off in the distance....have the sunrise on the horizon be her distination.
A new day....a new beginning....a new journey....:)

Really like the colors in frame #


03 March 2006, 01:05 PM (

The update took time, because I had problems with my computer.

Changes Figures:
1. I set Papallona to the left again and I have made Papallonas chests smaller
2. I made the background charakters still smaller
Changes landscape, background:
1. Because the pond did not please me, I looked for a "thing" which I could paint in right corner. I began thus right with a cutout of a waterfall. A waterfall comes rarely alone, therefore I painted still more into the background.
2. Papallona sat me too low, therefore I painted her increased, to rock squatting.
3. A rock comes never alone, thus I painted a further rare in addition, on which one stands one of the background figure.

I experiment still around, therefore I don't know yet whether the line art is finished now. Hm.

03 March 2006, 09:56 PM
Sorry for short answers, my computer is fast like a snail and waiting for side structure is not so happy.

Hi Loris,
you see, I took over your suggestions. Thanks for the great help. :)

Hi Mr. Mu,
thanks again. :)

Hi MichaelZHsee,
thanks for your entry. I still play around and hope it become better. :D

Hi calisto,
make me happy about your attendance and entry. Thanks. :)

Hi Glenn,

:wavey: thank you for your thoughts and poem. It described its very well. :)
Perhaps later I will draw a second Papallona laying on her back. And a third …
there still come so many ideas.

03 March 2006, 10:36 PM
Hi Ravena!
Should you enhance the secession style of your picture. :thumbsup:
zum Beispiel: Gustav Klimt (
Good Luck!

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