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03 March 2006, 06:25 PM
Eduardo Schaal is entered in the "The Journey Begins Challenge" update: View Challenge Page (

Latest Update: Concept Sketch: Character study (

03 March 2006, 07:09 PM
How r u Doing Eduardo? Glad to have u contend again, best of luck to u!:D

03 March 2006, 09:25 PM (

The first idea:

A very strange couple of tourists taking that cliche, classic tourist photo posing for the "viewer" in the beginning of a journey to some very cool fantastic land filled with flying dragons, exploding volcanos, orcs and this kind of stuff.

This is the first very loose sketch.

03 March 2006, 09:28 PM
U should make this one, humorous, put a danger sign, in or something, But it seems to be a great Idea!:thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 09:41 PM (

A detail of the couple, very WIP yet

03 March 2006, 09:46 PM
Thanks for the comment Bryce.

The idea for the danger sign is cool, I will think about a design and place for it.
03 March 2006, 10:04 PM
That's nice :) cool concept.

O mais legal é ver brasileiros por aqui!

I'll keep my eyes in here for sure.

03 March 2006, 10:47 PM (

The first color sketch to study some mood and lighting. :)

All PS for now

03 March 2006, 11:15 PM (

Detail of the couple.

Just sketching the idea.

My next step will be the research for references and find some models for photo sessions.

03 March 2006, 11:25 PM
Good Idea.
I am looking forward to see this come together.

How about frameing it more like an actual photo or polaroid? slightly off centerd and tilted. maybe even a scortch mark or two as if it were found after the fact.

03 March 2006, 11:34 PM
Haha!! Awesome idea. Before I read the text you wrote, it looked like one of the ideas I had: A father/daughter motorcycle adventure.

That guy's hair rules!!! :applause:

03 March 2006, 03:01 AM
hey schaal,its great to see u here~ur m and s entry rocked and i'm sure this will hit big time again~thats a great sketch mate,an adventurous journey they'r going~:scream:dragons and volcanoes..:eek:

03 March 2006, 06:07 AM
KOryH: thanks for the tips, I'll develop the idea, I'm thinking in put the photo in a frame with that traditional date printed in it.

I'm a little busy this week, but, by the weekend I 'll probably have more sketches with the idea of the photos.

marcoracer: The guy hair rules!! cool, thanks for the comment. Thanks, man. Valeu! Brasil na area!

sh@ke: thanks, it's nice to see you here i'm keeping my eye on your stuff, too

03 March 2006, 06:39 AM
Fantastic! I love the design of that fella with his shades and curly barnet!

And the idea of having them in the fantastical background coupled with your attention to detail and rednering could make this a super piece!

I really m looking forward to this one!

03 March 2006, 06:54 AM
hey schaal, good to see u again, much lookin forward to this


03 March 2006, 07:20 AM
whoaaaah man nice concept gudluck! gudluck

03 March 2006, 08:17 AM
Hi Eduardo! This looks great. Lovely idea! I really like it when very normal people or evryday stuff is put in a bizarre setting. Good luck!

03 March 2006, 12:59 PM
my sentiments exactly posh.. cant wait for this mate

03 March 2006, 01:24 PM
This is hilarious! I love it already.

03 March 2006, 04:06 PM
Good luck Eduardo!! Força aos Brazucas!!

03 March 2006, 04:32 PM
The Humour Begins!
so i have to forget my "little bike-big luggage" idea. this is better :)
Good luck Eduardo!

03 March 2006, 04:45 PM
Hi Schaal :beer:

I love your idea. :thumbsup:

Good luck.

To de olho :eek:

03 March 2006, 05:16 PM
So, I found your drawing!

I loved the idea, can't wait to see the background... :)
Good luck to you!

03 March 2006, 06:18 PM (

Hi, my new develop for the idea.
The main photo over an ancient Middle-earth style map, with some other photos of the journey under the principal image could work well.

03 March 2006, 06:21 PM
really cool stuff, sir , just keeps getting better :thumbsup:


03 March 2006, 06:21 PM
holy crap i think we have a winner!.. too good son:thumbsup: jeolous.. and with your skill its gonna be such a strong entry

03 March 2006, 06:25 PM
ho ho ho i realy like this one :)
nice concept end idea

03 March 2006, 07:05 PM
Haha! Great work!

03 March 2006, 07:46 PM
Interesting idea using the photos. I really like this so far!

03 March 2006, 07:48 PM
good luck... nice job

03 March 2006, 10:43 PM

Great idea! After the LOTR trilogy, it´s exactly the kind of thing I´d expect to find in a regular day in New Zealand...

Looking forward to your updates... keep the good work!

Uma pergunta técnica: você usa modelos de referência para suas pessoas? A turista é parecida com a Joy (apesar da ausência das tattoos)... :)

03 March 2006, 10:47 PM
What a fantastic thing this has turned out to be. You are a very imaginative artist.

03 March 2006, 10:51 PM
great work... :applause:

03 March 2006, 10:52 PM
man this is just too frickin awesome:thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 11:02 PM
I REALLY like this. The only crit I have is that the woman's (waving) arm looks rather odd, sort of in an unnatural pose. Aside from that....FANTASTIC concept and I love the guy's awkward 70s style with that moustache :D

Love it!

03 March 2006, 11:44 PM
Great work Eduardo! I'll be watching this thread. Keep it up!

03 March 2006, 11:49 PM
Thanks for the comments!

paperclip: I agree with you about the arm, and for me the legs, hands and feet are odd too, but I'm just sketching the ideas in a very fast and loose drawing, none of figures, poses and anatomy is final, in my next step I will start to study the characters and use some friends of mine as models in photos sessions to get my references of poses, lighting, clothes, expressions, etc. but thanks for point it for me.

Pentagramma: Nice to see you here, Ale, thanks for the comment. Não é a Joy, mas é uma boa ideia, vou chama-la para posar para as fotos. Soube do trabalho do Narnia, como foi? Parabens.

03 March 2006, 12:03 AM
Good idea Schaal!

Love your work! Looking forward to seeing more!


03 March 2006, 12:34 AM
Interesting idea, Schaal, keep it up dude!:thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 03:37 AM
doing great with the latest piece mate.looks so much better to be in a photo:)

03 March 2006, 03:54 AM
HA! this is going to be soo sweet... :buttrock:

03 March 2006, 04:16 AM
I like how this is progressing, great work so far.

03 March 2006, 01:49 PM
This concept has a lot of progress.. As Jonny (Mr. Bug) said earlier, I also like the full of action background and the so piecefull foregroundscene. Good stuff so far.. :thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 01:57 PM
Hi schaal! I love your previous work, so I can't wait to see what you come up with this time!!

Looking very nice so far!

03 March 2006, 02:30 PM
What a bizarre concept!

It's probably a bit late to suggest this, but perhaps a more dramatic angle in terms of the picture to make the photo more "Extreme" ... then again, tripods being tripods, there's only so many ways you can set them up for a picture.


03 March 2006, 07:03 PM
What a bizarre concept!

It's probably a bit late to suggest this, but perhaps a more dramatic angle in terms of the picture to make the photo more "Extreme" ... then again, tripods being tripods, there's only so many ways you can set them up for a picture.


Sure, nothing is final yet, i will probably change the angle for a more lower angle, but trying to keep the "tourist style " photo.

In my future session of photo references with my models I 'll experiment some new angles for the composition of the scene.


03 March 2006, 07:13 PM
I love how this is looking so far, and can't wait to see you flesh out more of the fantastic background. I also really like that you didn't make the couple contemporary but set them back a few decades. I too really like his moustache.

I have to confess I liked the layout more when it was just the image itself without being in a photo on a table. It feels less immediate. For me, it takes the painting away from being about "The Journey Begins," and more about "The Journey Began a while bag, but we only just got our film developed." But maybe that's just me.

Anyhow, can't wait to see you continue on this. Good luck!


03 March 2006, 07:24 PM
Hi Walrus, nice to see you here, I'm great fan of your work.
Thanks for sharing your feelings about the layout. Im not completely sure about the "photo over table" against the full image, yet.

I will post both togheter and see the comments.


03 March 2006, 08:21 PM
I like the latest update Eduardo. The photo on the table gives it context and some nice color. The only negative I see is that it no longer really feels like the beginning of a journey, but rather sometime afterwards.

03 March 2006, 09:19 PM
hehe nice concept man! and I LOVE your master and servant entry!!:scream:

03 March 2006, 03:31 PM (

Hi, this are my 2 layouts togheter for compare and my point of view about them.

Option 1:
Pros: 1 image to produce, larger details to see, a direct relation to the challenge theme.

Cons: a more regular aproach in therms of illustration.

Option 2:
Pros: More history behind the image and the theme, more things to look, interesting secondary elements like the map and the other photos under the main image, a color mood and lighting of the main scene plus the lighting and mood of the table top (map background).

Cons: more images to produce and put togheter in one composition, and indirect or less related aproach to the challenge theme.

What do you think about it?

Thanks for the comments,
Cheers :)

03 March 2006, 03:35 PM
Hey Eduardo,

The second is more promising!! Come up!

Brasilian's Good Lock!


03 March 2006, 03:38 PM
I prefer the full framed scene :)
There the journey begins. On the second one the journey has already been made... or the photo is on the table of a rescue team about to rescue the poor tourists :D

03 March 2006, 03:50 PM
I'd go for the #2 version


03 March 2006, 03:53 PM
My vote is for number 2...

03 March 2006, 04:32 PM
number 2... my interpretaion is that someone is going to look for them.... seeting out on their journey.. nayways much moe interesting an illustratio no. 2

03 March 2006, 05:27 PM
I've already voted for the first one, but even then, I bet you could experiment even more with the background layout and design: Having a more open frame would give you more room to experiment with.


03 March 2006, 06:50 PM
I prefer the full framed scene :)
There the journey begins. On the second one the journey has already been made... or the photo is on the table of a rescue team about to rescue the poor tourists :D

This makes a good point. I hadn't thought of it this way. On that basis... I vote for #2. But if you do #1, make the people fill the foreground a bit more. There's a lot of dead space.

03 March 2006, 07:15 PM
I think the 1 option its best its more funny and ironic i loved the idea he he he he :applause:

03 March 2006, 07:57 PM
Grande Shaal!

Great idea man, I definitely liked it a lot. Lots of character, a good solid story (or as we have seen here, a few good stories!), very illustrative in feel. Funny too! This will definitely be a very strong contender! :) Some people here think that there is a problem with the concept behind the second image. The first being their journey, and the second one someone else´s journey. Or, a journey within a journey! I like the embeded concept better, think that it makes for a more complex story, and opens up to a couple of diferent interpretations, which I think is good. The first one is more humorous, but also simpler, more straightforward. I agree that you´d probably have less work to do on it, and that you might gain more resolution in the image. But hey- they have plenty of resolution on those Ballistic books ;). Plus, you still have almost 3 months to keep at the little details! The second one is a richer image, and it´s my vote. Good luck, man!

03 March 2006, 08:56 PM
ver.#2 sir.

nice work

03 March 2006, 09:19 PM
Hi Eduardo,

I prefer the 1st option if you make a wide version of the image ... with a more open view of the background. This is personal, but I prefer be inside the image, and not just looking for .. (like I feel in the second version) ...

Bom vc vai ter uma decisão dificil pela frente .. boa sorte .. hehe :thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 11:20 PM
Hi Schaal! I like the 2nd option :thumbsup: good luck!

03 March 2006, 11:44 PM
I really, like the idea of the second. It can pass for originality, but I am still leaning towards the first. I think it will be a little more involved and it pertains to the challenge!:thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 12:31 AM
Option 2 mate :thumbsup:

I think it can hold a lot more information than option 1. Which ever way you choose, I am sure it will be a great piece of art :)


03 March 2006, 12:47 AM
second one is very original but I liked the first one.Good colors.

03 March 2006, 02:06 AM
I prefer the full framed scene :)
There the journey begins. On the second one the journey has already been made... or the photo is on the table of a rescue team about to rescue the poor tourists :D

I agree!

Care with the theme!!


03 March 2006, 07:46 AM
I love your stuff! And I'm definately feeling the one with the photos, those along with the map and compass really seem to push the idea of a journey beyond the image alone.

03 March 2006, 10:17 PM
I like more the second image, but I feel the first is more appropriate. While the second image is much more an "after" the first one better portrays the "begins" part of the challenge.
Regards, Enrico.

03 March 2006, 01:30 PM
I prefer the option 2!It is more original, and it does a good contrast. go for photos in table ;)

03 March 2006, 02:36 PM
I vote for option 2.
By the way, your Master and Servant entry was great!

03 March 2006, 02:46 AM
Oh man,
a lot of comments, but I'm still in doubt about what layout to develop, besides this fact, I will have to produce the version one in full frame anyway and after that, if I choose to do the version 2 (table top), compose the final image with the map, compass and other illustrated "photos" background.

Thanks for your comments, again

Diego, I'll keep my eye on your 3d Journey. Keep it updated, please. :thumbsup:


03 March 2006, 03:41 AM
hahahahahahahaha! what a super-novel idea! definitely they should award your creativity! I think I prefer the one without the frame, just because the frame takes away too much of the emotion.

03 March 2006, 01:58 PM
Grande schaal!
excellent work! I liked the second idea, good composition with the photos on the table. =)

abraço e boa sorte.

03 March 2006, 05:17 PM
I vote for option 2.
Good luck for you, Schaal.

Vou acompanhar, pois sei que vem coisa muito boa por aqui.:thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 10:58 PM
Good concept, sweet idea, about the sketch I don't need to comment, is great. I wish good luck. :thumbsup:


03 March 2006, 03:26 PM
Hi Schaal!! Man, I prefer number 2, or maybe 1?? hehe..Just kidding. No, I really prefer number 2 because it pass a bigger range of ideas with that picture over the table, at least for me.But man, I know that anyone you choose the result will be great!! Good Luck for us!!


03 March 2006, 03:34 PM
nice to see you here schaal. In my opinion, photo seems to say the journey 's finished ... the challenge is the journey begins ...
Have fun

03 March 2006, 05:30 PM (

A concept painting for the male character face, I will look now for some references of 70's actors with mustache, or some Tom Seleck's Magnun photos, lol.

Made with Artrage 2.0 and PS CS2 , last night, when I was waiting for some renders of a 3d anim that I´m working at Trattoria.

Cheers :thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 06:34 PM
hit the nail on the head me thinks

03 March 2006, 07:44 PM
Hi Eduardo, good concept man! I like the second one so good luck and all my best!
Looking forward to see this piece progressing :thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 03:20 AM
Hi there

You know, it would have taken me days to work out a character sketch like that....

I have to go against the flow here, and vote for concept number one. Concept number two really does feel like an "end of journey" image. In order for it to be the "start" image, the journey couldn't be about the figures at all but, as others have noted, someone else beginning journey that somehow relates to the tourists. The second concept, as presented, doesn't really give any indication that there *is* someone else beginning a journey. Now perhaps if you had a pamphlet to one side titled "rescuing idiotic tourists" it would be clear that a new journey is about to begin!

I can't wait to see how this turns out


03 March 2006, 02:34 PM
Hey Schaal! Very good work on the concept! I love this image, is simply hilarious! I look at this last concept of the tourist and I realy can´t put myself togheter to stop laughing!!! It´s realy very cool. I prefere the first sketch.... gives more acuracy in the aspect of beggining the journey, wich I think must be important to the chalenge! Best wishes and good luck on your entry! It must be in the finalists for shure! :thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 02:42 PM
Hi Schaal, I think you have an absolutely fantastic image. Funny characters, I'm expecting the best of you, good luck.

03 March 2006, 03:10 PM (

My new study for the male character.

I'll go now for the girl and BG characters.

All PS CS2 for this one :thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 03:22 PM
i like this concept alot. Very original and is pretty funny and the characters are great. Out of the 2 concepts, i like no.1 better. no.2 is an interesting composition but if the scene is to be chocked full of dragons, orcs and other details, then it might get a bit confused. Top stuff so far though. Good luck.

03 March 2006, 04:40 PM
Hey Schaal, nice to see your work progress. I was looking at your character and his face reminds me about a movie called(I don´t know in english) Um Morto Muito Louco, you know about it? The main character of this film is Mr.Bernie(I think)

Very well done!


03 March 2006, 06:14 PM
I love your characters; the expressions, the posture, everything! They are so life-like.

03 March 2006, 07:03 PM
excellent character design! wonderfully done....

03 March 2006, 12:23 PM
(cool glasses, cool glasses)

03 March 2006, 08:15 AM
Hi Eduardo,

I just want to say you really nailed an awesome, standout concept. I really like the map sketch you put together... its just an overall well done concept so far and I cant wait to see how this develops. Great work man. - J

03 March 2006, 04:34 AM
Hi, I was very busy at Trattoria films in the last 2 weeks, directing two commercials in full 3d animation for an advertising agency :) , And my next week I will be very busy too doing concepts and art direction for another one, but Im still in the challenge, people! :scream:

domclubb: I agree with You, The scene should be very full of details and creatures, and the tourist stuff like the bike, bags, etc and for this reason the second layout probably will not work well.

Gus_clifton I didn`t see this movie you talk about But I found some pics in Google and my male character reminds something about the guy of the movie. Thanks for the comment.BTW Are you in the challenge? Abracos

JTD Thanks, man. One of my goals in image creation is the human figure. I love to draw and paint figures and facial expressions.

jevinart Thanks, the character is one of the strong points of the concept in my opnion.

Avatarist hahaha, thanks for the good humor on your comment.

MechaHateChimp thanks for your comment and for the incentive.

See you soon with new ups.


03 March 2006, 03:01 PM
Gus_clifton I didn`t see this movie you talk about But I found some pics in Google and my male character reminds something about the guy of the movie. Thanks for the comment.BTW Are you in the challenge? Abracos

Yes, I´m on the journey, but my work is not going well, loss of creativity, time, technics and inspiration.

03 March 2006, 04:10 PM (

The female character
All PS CS2 for this concept art.
Sorry for the few words for now, Im very busy at the momment.

03 March 2006, 04:33 PM
whistles....nice sketch! and naturally only crit would be the lenght of her legs seem a little short. But other than that, I want her on my bedroom wall! :D

03 March 2006, 06:36 AM
This one is going to be good. I'm really feeling it ;).

03 March 2006, 07:03 AM
great i found u :scream: was busy with gettin a new machine so was away for a while, hehe, great to see u beem busy too :) very very nice character design, the man looks like my dad (which i found shocking where u met him?) and the girl is just candys on sivertablet, both compos work great, as for the optics, concept 2 is very pleasing and offers more aspects, but i agree with those who said stick with the topic. except its a boy who is goin on a trip to find his real parents and this is the only photo he has of them kinda story wich would work as well... whatever, subscribing for sure and all my bst wiches, hae fun, and have a great journey :)

03 March 2006, 10:02 PM
Very nice! :applause: :applause: :applause:
Very good work!

Good Luck:thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 10:48 PM
hey real great idea i loved it:bounce:

i loved your 2.nd composition but there the journey has ended or continuing as some others say too.
and dont make an artistic composition leave it simple like you did (like a autoshot photo (sorry for weak translation i hope its undertandable) )

and tourists are perfect too
i think your going to be one of the winners
good luck :)

ah and i think it'll look great in pale photo colors (like old polaroids or first times of colored photos)

03 March 2006, 10:02 PM
great character concept! that busty lady really brings attention :D keep up the great work!

03 March 2006, 11:51 PM
Nice work. I enjoy your brush application. Looking forward to seeing this finished.

04 April 2006, 06:01 PM
Really funny..I like the comedy in it and I think it would be much cooler if the background had more danger than what's in the sketches...and it would also be much much cooler if you added more symbolism that serves the concept.Then it would be perfect. :) looking forward to seeing where you're taking this..lovin' it. keep it up. (And by the way could you please come view my humble work..I could use your comments.) All the best.

04 April 2006, 05:48 AM
Absolute Genius!!!

04 April 2006, 09:43 PM
Great to see this coming along! Big fan of your last one--great imagination and the technical ability to pull it off.

I'm way too late to offer this, but I almost think it would've been better to have the off-kilter "holding their own camera" look...since 90% of the pictures my wife and I have taken of each other on vacation have been from that angle.

Love your work.

04 April 2006, 09:59 PM
I find the age gap hilarious. :scream: I also love the woman- she reminds me of someone I know...too-small bikini top and all. :)

Great skills you nice seeing you wield them to the best!

Give us more!

04 April 2006, 06:13 PM
Thanks to all for the last comments,
Im still very busy, but I'll try to get back to the challenge and start to develop the final image , in the next week.
I think I can finish this painting on time, we have 48 days yet and my Master and Servant piece took me 20 days to complete.

See you soon.

04 April 2006, 07:33 PM
I see your dilemma. They are both good and original ideas.
Personnally, I would go with the first one. We get the fact that they are in a strange place. The map doesn' t add anything unless this entry can tell more of the story.

The door is open to interpretation of when does a journey begin.

We could debate if they are starting their journey or is this the end of it.
I am no judge but I feel that both of them raise that issue. At least with no.1 you have more room to add details hinting that this is not the end of the road.

Does that make sense?

04 April 2006, 08:54 AM
can you get me her number or what ?

04 April 2006, 06:25 PM
wow very nice idea Eduardo . I really like it good work :bounce:

04 April 2006, 02:03 AM
Fantastic piece, man. The characters are great, the concept is great. No real crits, but it might be fun to play up the whole "Trompe L'oeil" (sp) aspect of the piece by including a few more real world objects around or on top of the snapshots, like maybe a keychain with some sort of small bit of memorabilia from the location attached to it.

Anyways, very nice stuff......


05 May 2006, 02:26 AM
Funny concept Edwardo...looking forward to seeing the tan lines, if that is what they are, on your model? Good luck!

05 May 2006, 12:20 AM
Wow Schaal,

It is getting so kool!
I am deep on the 3d short now, so not much time to get into the Challenge now.
Man, this guy on the picture looks a lot with Magnum, hehehe, but somehow he reminds me of Antropus *lol*. (he´s gonna prolly be mad with me now... hehehehe)
Funny concept to join a fantastic enviorment with a cliché photo. :)

Congratz! Boa sorte brother,

05 May 2006, 01:05 PM
Ei Schaal! o que aconteceu que vc não está mais atualizando o seu trabalho?!

Esta ficando muito bom, gostaria muito de ver o seu trabalho entre os finalistas!:thumbsup:

05 May 2006, 01:26 PM
cool characters and a great concept. cant wait to see the final thing. only 10 days to go though so muchos luck with this.

05 May 2006, 01:59 PM
Very fun idea!! It reminds me the old science fiction books(And shell beach).
Good luck!

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