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03 March 2006, 01:11 PM
Simon Bull is entered in the "The Journey Begins Challenge" update: View Challenge Page (

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03 March 2006, 01:18 PM
this should be fun!!

hope to put alot into this one!

good luck all!!

should have some stuff uf thinking sand or snow...mmmm

03 March 2006, 01:34 PM ( thinking that someone should have died and thats a doudle metaphore...

the journey beyond and the journey ahead alone...the starting point is the same...

03 March 2006, 02:18 PM (

same...there will be death...just looking for the setting now...

03 March 2006, 02:24 PM
Hi Cyberone!

2 concept sketches! Which one will you go with?

Interesting, I'll keep an eye on your milestones!

Happy drawing!


03 March 2006, 02:39 PM

yeah just picking the the story sorted at the moment just thinking wherre its going to be set...

hey where in japan do you live??


03 March 2006, 02:42 PM (

mmm...thinking the lake could me nice idea...

whats next i wonder...

03 March 2006, 02:04 PM ( going to go with the lake one...
dudes travelling partner has died and now hes got to go it alone...there will be a body or grave in the shot...dunno which yet...

maybe even a pyre or something...maybe like there hase baan a battle...

still got a lot of playing around to do...

03 March 2006, 02:36 PM
Go ahead Simon! looking forward to see more milestones. Good luck to you.

03 March 2006, 03:56 PM ( really going to go with this one...

this is the last concept sketch..

ill do a very quick line art then im going to
jump straight into the colouring stages...

what do people think of the trees? is it a good idea?

also should i have the litle boat loaded up like hes prepared...or empty like hes just going out to die?....

anyways....some crits and ideas from here on in would be more than welcome..\

03 March 2006, 04:31 PM (

those who know me know that im not a big fan of line pore of a tonal painter...

so here is my line work...
its really just a paint over of the final concept..but i wanted to put the effort in for all the stages...

now the real fun begins...


03 March 2006, 09:15 PM
the distant shore is maybe too intimidating at the moment. It's like a wall which you can't go over. It's blocking the way to the journey.. you want to make a gap to it so that he can go on his journey through it. Also it looks like he murdered his mate as the body is just left behind unceremonially like that. Just some thoughts.

03 March 2006, 11:29 PM
Seems pretty nice dude! If u are going for the emptiness kinda feel its a go! It maybe is a little too early for me to judge at this stage, It may end up being successful, keep it coming!

03 March 2006, 10:40 AM
oh yay!!
its painting time tonight!!

03 March 2006, 11:52 AM (

dunno if we are allowed to jup back stages...but i didnt see anything that said we couldnt...had an idea of a guy about to enter a HUGE maze...

03 March 2006, 01:21 PM (

ok im thinking a little maze like this....the will be a guy or group of people at the enterence about to go in...

i think i will set it in the center of a vally and make it nice and dark...dunno if i should make the maze stone or a hedge at this stage....will have to see how it flows...

03 March 2006, 01:44 PM ( really liking this one a whole lot better....a lot more moody and the struggle ahead is a lot clearer...

think ill play with it for a while...

03 March 2006, 02:54 PM
Yeah, the maze is looking pretty good mate!


03 March 2006, 04:26 PM
nice idea!!! the feel of depth is awesome.

03 March 2006, 04:50 PM
The maze idea is relly good. Reminds me of Harry potter and the goblet of fire ;)
Keep it up!

03 March 2006, 07:42 PM
Oh im loving this maze idea....wut a journey....what a journeeeyyy.....:bounce:

03 March 2006, 09:12 PM
Haha ! :) what a cruel idea. I can't say more at this stage.
Good luck

03 March 2006, 01:24 AM
wow...thanks all....ill get onto it more tonight :)

03 March 2006, 09:28 AM
Imagine the emotion of that guy....immense....hmm...if you can try to play with the entrance path...u know kinna leading to the horizon thing....i dunno...its about the eye path thing.


03 March 2006, 11:16 AM
Ahh, the infamous labyrinth! That is definately a journey and a half...Can't wait to see where you go with this one!

03 March 2006, 11:21 AM
maranello55: i agree with the path/path of view thing...will have a look at that now...although this one was reall just a super basic set up its down to details like that...thaks!!

Pawlack: I am a very cruel i just like dark stuff...thanks!!

Xillion: thanks!!...i didnt think of the one in harry potter...i want mine more evil than harry...

Velarion:thanks...thaats what i was aiming for...should get better as it goes...

Louieville: thanks!! thats the

jsn: thanks!! if ya ever come to tokyo looks me up!!

03 March 2006, 03:18 PM ( really really liking this is a better shot of the maze....looks a little better i think...draws the eye a little mor into the pic too...maybe..

yet to sketch in the guy...
maybe that can be next...

03 March 2006, 03:25 PM
It looks really cool. I just cant wait to see final image - keep painting! :thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 04:24 PM
Hmm nice idea! I was thinking around the material for the walls, and i think if it was ice it could be more dramatic!
Nice blue colors and lightning .... hmmm
anyway good luck! This will turn out awesome!

03 March 2006, 06:45 PM
Very unique concept, can't wait to see how this develops.

03 March 2006, 07:04 PM
Ohh wow! I like this idea very much!! Great work :)

03 March 2006, 07:54 PM
I liked the last but one better. The compositions was way better and the perspective looked more like "the begin" of this journey and was way more dramatic.
Also its a bit of a more naiv way of drawing to give the "great labyrinth" most of the space on canvas; don't have to. And the overview doesn't make it really look as dramatic, because it reveals too much. The lower angel makes it looking "endless" without showing more as needed.

PS: Reminds me of one MattePainting from "the Riddick" Dylan Cole did.

03 March 2006, 09:35 PM ( really really liking this is a better shot of the maze....looks a little better i think...draws the eye a little mor into the pic too...maybe..

yet to sketch in the guy...
maybe that can be next...

well i guess someone was bound to do it. good luck with this piece man. :)

03 March 2006, 04:49 AM
Thats a mother of a journey man :eek:

Looking good!


03 March 2006, 07:29 AM
This last sketch is very good, nice perspective.

Maybe there's a castle to be seen way back in the distance, where the fella should go to.
There must be a goal (something) to go to I guess. There also could be some sort of crowd cheering for the participant taking this Journey, standing on the hillside on the right..

I like this a lot!
waiting for more.. ;)

03 March 2006, 01:52 PM
thanks for the comment all!!! keep em comming!! this is fun :)

MichaelMotion: thanks! i was thinking that a didnt want to do a normal goal for the guy to get to...loke a tower/castle...i was thinking more along the lines of a nice green landscape maybe...something away from all the dark and gloom...
or maybe even no goal...and endless and fruitless maze...almost like a frustrating dream....ill play with all the ideas...including yours...thanks!!

jsn:thanks!! thats the

Slav: if someone had to do it then it might as well be thanks..

Duracel: going to work on both at the same time and see how they both come out,,,,still got a hell of a way to go...
mmm...didnt think about Dylans ones...although I think thats now supposed to be a maze...just looks like one...but can remember if only i could get it to look that


slickgreekgeo: thanks as well...keep watching :) !!

Brutal Monk:thanks i might just give that a go.. :)

Drakula: thanks :) me too!! lol

03 March 2006, 01:57 PM
Wow, That´s a great idea.

The last sketch is looking excellent, can´t wait to see more advances.

Good luck


03 March 2006, 03:03 PM (

nice and dark...just the way I like it :)

i was thinking that Ill put the little guy in soon...hes going to have an old school lamp...a nice orange glow spreading into the floor aroung the ground and walls where hes walking...just a little...mmm this is comming out fun :)

03 March 2006, 03:11 PM
O.O wow, it's so ominous looking! Great work so far!

03 March 2006, 05:08 AM
Love your idea, and I'm glad it's not my journey

Good luck, great concept

03 March 2006, 08:55 AM
dyam,wtf howd ya do that,3dness,looking cool!

03 March 2006, 02:10 PM
thanks for the kind words...

noob! ya can do it like this...just one way..

pretty easy really just needs a little creative thinking...

mmm gotta study japanese tonight...i dont know if ill have time for painting.. :(

03 March 2006, 02:15 PM
i thought it was a perspective transform,but i thought u could of done it all from scratch and might have offended u saying that hehe:thumbsup:

great update!!

03 March 2006, 02:18 PM
actually front is but the back is transform...i think you can see clearly

03 March 2006, 03:06 PM (

just a very quick preview check to see how im going to put in the guy....personally i really dont like it with him as it is...maybe too big..?

i think that he should be quite small..maybe the maze can dominate...

what do you think?

03 March 2006, 06:25 PM
Nice concept, I like it.
Yes, I think the guy could be much smaller, so the hopelessness of his journey would be much huger.

03 March 2006, 06:34 PM
LOL just uploaded almost the exact same idea, and then i saw yours :banghead: :D

you're much further ahead though and posted the idea before me, so I think i'll crawl back to the drawing board now :D

Nice work looking great! Looking forward to see where its going!

03 March 2006, 07:35 PM
I'm okay with him this size, though it's not clear whether he's a grown man or a boy. More work on the figure will easily cure my confusion.

One idea might be to have him pointing the torch down the corridor, illuminating it... and compositionally serving as an arrow into the maze...

Anyhow, good luck!


03 March 2006, 03:09 AM
Simon I am liking the maze idea, that really looks good. I was wondering if you put your traveler tighter in the picture and just enough of the maze so that its size is apparent? Does that make sense? Just a thought!!

03 March 2006, 03:44 AM
This is a great idea. It reminds me of the movie labyrinth. Keep up the good work

03 March 2006, 06:18 AM
Man, what a journey! Looks great! Keep it up :thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 02:13 PM
I really like what you have so far, but I think the figure would look better if it were smaller. The maze doesn't look so hopeless now, and with him that size it almost looks as if he could kick off the walls all kung-fu or Mario style and get up to the top of the maze and complete it the easy way. :)

03 March 2006, 02:39 PM
It goes very well I think. I agree with previous post.If the figure would be smaller the journey would be far more greater.Very dark and nice coloring!

03 March 2006, 02:40 PM
...Setting a labyrinth in the middle of mountains seems a bit paradoxal... as it gives reference in space helping anyone going in there to find his way back to the start or even through it with a bit of trial and error... Feels wrong to me, I'd skip the mountains cause of that.

my 2 cents.


03 March 2006, 03:10 PM
sfrey: thanks and the guy was just a very quick sketch in i said when i posted it i thought it sorta was too big and sucked get on tho the guy in a bit :)

Overchord: sorry :( and i wish you all the best!

walrus:all points taken :) im actually thinking of what the figure should be...boy..girl (i dont think it will be a girl...too...dunno...well thats what everybody always seems to do around here...) just thinking young man...although i just though it would be quite evil to make it a really old man...with a walking frame...sad :(

binksterb: i get what ya mean..its been in the back of my mind the whole time...but ive also been thinking that i want the maze to dominate alot more than anything else...i really want it more of a surreal landscape rather than a figure/portrait painting like others..

wildcory1: that topic has come up alot for me in the last few days from friends here...makes me feel like watching it now...i really liked the evil walls in that...hehe...oh and i had nightmares about the well with the hands throughout my whole life...heheh :twisted:

Zycho:yay!! thanks!

Feimi: yaeh as above ive been a thinking that too..oh... i like kung-fu flips...:love:
i have always been thinking that even at the start of the maze it should seem very dark big and evil...that includes very tall walls :)

Velarion: yep yep...gonna get on that one ASAP...thanks for the help and kindness :)

Adriano_Zanetti: i can see what ya mean but also if there is a sun or stars couldnt you do the same thing? last time i was in a hedge maze i remembered feeling very lost very quickly even though there were buildings all around if i was making a maze like this i would be very sure to use those reference points to trick people...always think ya know where ya going then BAM!! dead jsut like real life :)
but all that said..ill look at doing something aside from the mountains... :)

thanks all for the love and comments :) keep em a are all helping me heaps!!

03 March 2006, 03:30 PM
Hey now I was doing the same thing. Well sort of. Looks good.

03 March 2006, 04:11 PM (

after all the comments about the guy i thought that i should fix him up so it looks a little more how i imagined it...

so now here it is...

again its still got a ways to go but i think its comming together alot more...

next i think ill work on the made and give it a bit of texter, roughness and generally make it look alot more realistic than it does at this stage..

im thinking really old crumbled stone/ brick would be cool...

03 March 2006, 04:14 PM
BluePulse: sorry man...i never saw your post...i though id look through them all to see if there was anything similar...

but i think that our ideas are quite different eventhough they both involve mazes... sorry :(

03 March 2006, 08:46 PM
Hey now I was doing the same thing. Well sort of. Looks good.

That is bound to happen at some point. I agree with Simon, the ideas/concepts are different enough that I don't think either of you should worry about it.

Great job so far, and neat trick with the perspective on the maze.

03 March 2006, 08:58 PM
I do like what you have done with your maze concept. Very nice. I like the colours and the perspective.

03 March 2006, 04:30 PM
wall (

ive sorta very quickly tried an idea for the walls of the maze...just old crumbly

ive just started the tops of the walls...its just a will need alot more texture and bump but i think its a start....

i really like the little

im thinking that the walls bould be alot more alod and bumpy...


03 March 2006, 08:38 PM
It's looking so great. I definitely like this version of the man much better. I can't wait to see more!

03 March 2006, 05:00 AM
I like the way this is going. The texturing is going to be a lot of work, but if I know you I have total faith you can pull it off. ^_^

Two things.

1) Part of the contest is the instilling of an emotion related to the character. I don't know how the judges'll react if the character is small and his/her face is difficult to see. I suppose this part could still be fulfilled if the image itself evokes enough emotion. Perhaps the maze could be the character.

1) There's no goal in this image. Why is he entering the maze? It should be readily apparent. Could be something as simple as a glow at center, far off in the distance. I, however, vote for a pillar of fire.

Because, you know, there's nothing exploding in this image, and explosions are the difference between good art and great art. Just look at the Mona Lisa!

03 March 2006, 05:21 AM
this may sound like a very silly responce... but better now than later.

ok, here goes... have you given any thought to the design of the maze itself? The maze you've got looks great and it does make sense. It's just that most of the passeges are pretty direct to go somewhere. there aren't a lot of visible dead ends and so forth.

anyway, this is a personal taste thing. i tend to get really picky about stuff like that and most people would just see a maze. i'm envious of the concept you have here. hope you're having fun.


03 March 2006, 06:40 AM
mmm i think the image needs some point of focus to the viewers atention maybe the lamp´s light of the man or some lightnings in the clouds

cheers buddy!!:beer:

03 March 2006, 08:40 AM
Im very like the idea with maze. Hope later you make the maze more "asymmetrical" and more "alive". Some kind of trees maybe,cities, or something like that.
Good luck in journey ! )

03 March 2006, 04:16 PM (

well everybody was saying that the guy was lacking a goal...

well heres a little idea that i have had in the back of my head for a while..

i dont know but...i sorta liked that before he had no visable sorta spoils the fun from being an evil endless trip into nothingness...death.

anyway its just an idea...what ya'll think?

03 March 2006, 04:48 PM
Feimi: thanks :) im trying to do a little each night...tomorrow im going skiing for the weekend so i probably wont do anything for a few days... :(

kattkieru: who are you?....just kidding :)
@ 1) hehe...well everybody is doing really figure driven images so i say ill do 100% the other making him small and a little distant was supposed to push him away from the viewer...hes already cant help him man..its gone beyond that now...theres only one way for that dark little figure and thats through the even darker maze..

@ 2) how about blue fire ?? lol....and yeah i agree its just never much fun if you cant set at least something of fire....

anzibon: i agree...expect to see more dead ends in the next few updates :) thanks for the opened my eyes :)

bandro: probably will do a combination of the leading to the other...Cheers :)

Mex: shall do...probably not the city part but there will be moss and vines and all that kind of stuff that goes with it :)

thank you too you all my fine furry little friends :)
you are all such a great help :)


03 March 2006, 05:27 PM
I thought the piece had more mystery and interest when you had no idea where he was going, and he was just shining a light off into the darkness. And I've seen the line straight up into the clouds (a la 'Tron') in other entries here already. So I liked the previous rev more myself. And as Michael Chang pointed out when I asked about his entry, Why does a journey have to have a specific goal? In any case, the previous version DID have a goal - the end of the maze... but who know's what's there or why? I liked that about it! :)


03 March 2006, 08:33 PM
First of all, I'm totally digging this concept. Just looking at the maze makes my brain hurt - in a good way!

I like the maze without the "goal" of the pyramid, but... I also like the idea of the pyramid as well. If you keep the pyramid I'd

a) make it smaller because it's so big, you've lost a lot of that look of infinite distance - push it way back so that the journey still seems like an impossibility

b) I like the big blue laser beam, but if you keep it, it might be cool to have the glowing light in his hand the same blue color - as though it is a talisman that is drawing him to the heart of the maze, ie: the pyramid.

Just some thoughts. It's amazing. Can't wait to follow the rest of your progress. :D

03 March 2006, 12:29 AM
Hey, I like this goal. The blue fire is cool. (Blue fire's hotter than orange anyway.) Right now the pyramid looks like it's floating on the maze-- hope to see a maze opening in there so that the bottom of the pyramid can disappear into the inky black depths of hell.

... or something. ^_^;

03 March 2006, 01:04 AM
Hey!that´s a good idea =) . About the guy, it seems he´s lighting the ground, like seraching for a coin. What if he lights the space in front of him?Just an idea:D

Good luck mate!


03 March 2006, 01:44 AM
Well, i liked the previous version without pyramid and blue light more (well, maybe the pyramid could fit in.. but let go of the blue light)
i pondered some days if it wouldn't be nice to have some apocalyptic flare at the horizon.. maybe a sunrise, maybe the flames of hell..
just some mighty orange flames to balance the lightning in this picture

03 March 2006, 01:52 AM
I dig your maze. It reminds me of a scene from the movie Time Bandits.

03 March 2006, 10:19 AM
lose the blue light of doom :thumbsup: i prefer the one before :)

Wayne jermaine
03 March 2006, 11:44 AM
very nice..awesome.. nice

03 March 2006, 12:01 PM (

im going to focus back on the maze and the hills for a while....

just adding cracks, chips and holes for the moment...

also been trying tro take everybodies advice....but it all


03 March 2006, 12:13 PM
walrus: too....before someone said something about having an endless maze as a bit naieve...i think having the goal in site ruins the feel and makes it too "high school fantasy" hollywood, you need everything put right in you face type of an ill keep it endless for a while...

Nyrak: thnaks :) they were just an idea...i like flames :) fire is fun :) but for this image i think ill do with out them

kattkieru: agreed on all points except for liking the died while i was having my zombie shower this know the ones :)

Gonzalo Golpe: lol....thanks...i dont really want the light going too much into the maze...that was an idea i had from the start...its an evil maze...i doesnt like light...but i agree that it does loom like hes looking at the ground....will fix that as i get along..

Anapäst: me too!! thats why ive gone back a step :)...i thought about the horizon thing too...i think although flames would be nice...and might change the picture away from what i have in mind...which is just a big dirty like the sunrise idea... :)

Cothull: is that the movie with bruce cambell in it? the really wacked out one?? i cant remember it very well if thats the one you mean....thanks :)

NOOB!: DONE MR NOOB! done... :)

Wayne jermaine: Thankee-Sai :)

03 March 2006, 06:34 PM
hmm nice...i see the character is nice and tightened up ... good work

now i guess its time for you to get started on the background :)

03 March 2006, 09:22 AM
Very original idea, and I like you'r maze. :) I don't know if it's the meaning, but you'r colors seem very low saturated (almost grey). Keep it up! :thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 05:04 PM (

heres just a quick texture text....ive never had to do anything like thins on a computre but i think its comming out just dandy :)

im quite happy with the way its major dramas so far......hehe

lighting is important in this one so im going to be paying alot of notice to that donw the line....

this is fun :)


03 March 2006, 05:27 PM
well we wnt away to the snow for the weekend ad we got alot of snow in return :)

here are some to do with the contest....

this is the view from our hotel :)
lots of yummy snow :)

yup its more snow!

waiting for the bus in a little

anyway a fun weekend ad thats why there hasnt been so many updates.......and the same for next weekend too....YAY!!

03 March 2006, 07:21 PM
wow. really love the perspective you've chosen to view your character. a real sense of foreboding and heaviness in this scene -- partly because of the heavy stone maze, but also your choice of color and texture. beautiful work....

03 March 2006, 07:32 PM
looking very atmospheric.. textures really work mate

03 March 2006, 12:55 AM
G' day Simon!

Coming along very nicely :applause:

GREAT JOB on the texture, keep up the great work man :thumbsup:


03 March 2006, 03:41 AM
nice update it looks very good. no crits. just :thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 03:46 AM
crazy details and the textures are awesome:eek:

03 March 2006, 04:43 AM
Man, that is brilliant! :thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 07:00 AM
Some quick little textures, heh?

Well, this looks fantastic, whit those high stone walls.
This pic is realy coming to life.. :thumbsup:
Keep going..

03 March 2006, 07:01 AM
The textures are mind-boggling good.

03 March 2006, 09:37 AM
You are making a good stab at this idea. The maze is looking fantastic. I have a problem with the 'character'... Don't get me wrong - he looks great and is probably about the right size in relation to the maze, but the reason he would work so well as an editorial illustration, is that he is so generic.

I don't believe you have to have an expressive close-up to describe character or motivation, but at the moment your idea is fuelled by a desire to visually describe the maze rather than a convincing backstory.

Perhaps you need the character to be more actively DOING something in preparation for their journey in order to give the mood of the piece more depth. (personally if i was in their shoes I'd be hefting a massive sack of pebbles, or better still - fixing one end of the biggest ball of wool in the world to something sturdy)

Maybe the addition of more characters - with the possibility of conflict would make it easier to add motive to the piece.

In any case good luck

03 March 2006, 12:22 PM
Ooh, Shazam!!

Thats looking pretty damn good. I love the textures on the stone walls, you can almost feel the cold, grtty srface of the stone. I do though tend to agree wth the last statement, that the character needs more of a reason to be there. He's obviousily not a warior going to destroy the Minatour. But f he s a smart man he'd either have attached a length of string to fnd hs way back, or be holding one hand on a side of the wall. Because if you always keep one hand on the side of a wall in a maze you can always make your way through. On other thoughts though, he doesn't look like he's moving at all, more examining the entrance, you might just want to put some footprints leading into the labyrinth. And if he is just assesing the situation, you could also have him holding the light up, neck down, squinting into the dark. Just some thought vomiting your way.

Keep up the good work O Stripey One.

03 March 2006, 03:41 PM
dropping in to say hi~ :)

loves the top perspective view and textures. keep it up man! :thumbsup:

just an idea, maybe a 'destination' within the maze would be nice to add in. a statue of some sort or a mystical ornament to further add in the story. my 2cents.

cheers man, would certainly be checking your new progress. :)

03 March 2006, 05:25 AM

Your concept is one of my favorites in this contest so far. The task the guy is going to take is really an epic one. the maze is great, and the texture is so good. the scale is huge, and the way you show it is really cool
I kinda agree with the last statement, maybe you should think some reason to him to be there. But on the other side, a guy standing in front of a maze, is going to cross it thats for sure, so dont know maybe you should show something on the end of the maze.
But i truly like this one. Im following for sure :)

03 March 2006, 05:30 AM
This gives me the feel of when the Fellowship enters Moria...the theme just played into my mind. Great mood and scale.

Keep it up man!

03 March 2006, 06:28 AM
This is looking so cool!

The lighting is awesome, and I can't wait to see that texture detail for the entire image!

great work! keep 'em coming!

03 March 2006, 07:17 AM
Really, nice attention to detail dude, I love the textures on the maze and yes indeed that is a nice trick that u did with the maze!:thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 04:26 PM
Dreamshark! You live! ^_^;

On the character:

I think how all this will work int depends on where you put the focus. Like you said everyone else is doing these huge closeups of characters and stuff and you're not. I think that the guy can be low-key and moderately generic, but only if the maze becomes the character and is filled with enough eye-catching malice or embarrassment ninjas. You could make it a metaphor on life, and make your character the every-person. As long as he doesn't have a sign that says "n00b" over his head.

On the texturing: it does look excellent. One thing that seems a bit off is the base of the frontmost walls -- it's too light. Even with his lamp shining on it because that place is where two angles meet the light is going to be a little different. A light gradient to make the top fade down to a dark bottom -- just a tad, mind -- could make the separation between wall and ground more apparent.

One other thing that itches a bit is that the only color in the scene thus far comes from the man and the lamp. If this is a conscious choice (which could be interesting, theme-wise), then it needs to be more apparent. Maybe even the walls themselves around the character get more color. If it's not conscious I think there should be some more color throughout the image, something to juxtapose elements.

I had a dream last night about a huge green pillar of fire... it was tasty! Keep going!

03 March 2006, 07:25 PM
Great idea !! keep it this way !

Good luck ! I'll keep an eye on ya !:scream:

03 March 2006, 07:34 PM
Hi Cyberone! ,or Simon..:)

Man, amazing image,remembers me the Harry Potter last film. I prefer you first aproach, with the sunlight trought the clouds, marking the goal of guys journey, its needs a perceptive look to see it in a first glimpse, i did it, but in a second look it is very clear and it brings the sensation of a "discover" (for observer who didnt see it in the first look). Much more atractive and subjective than the pyramid with the light beam., in my opinion off course...;).
Thanks for the the advice to mantain "the nice colors".:), i did a update in the image, see if you like.

Man, that Panda ROCKS!!! It is in the Painter book, isnt it? Congratulations, its really deserved. I like a lot the text you put in the post, like a newspaper, and just a curiosity, my japanese inexists, what is writen in that plaque in that post (in the first plane)? Its a transit signal?

Till next post!

03 March 2006, 09:12 PM
Hey man, I see great working here! Fantastic textures, stone labyrint looks so cool :thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 11:16 PM
nice weight on the blocks, looking sweet :)

03 March 2006, 01:18 PM
@ javinart: thanks...i plan to keep it up :) that heavyness is what i was going for...its the trip in itself

@ w!l: thankyou...but there will be more to come after the weekend

@ jsn: thanks...and thanks for keeping on dropping bye...ill comment on your thread after my ski trip this weekend

@ slav: thaks

@ sh@ke: yay!! also ALOT more details to come...i wasnt joking when i said that it was just a test...hehe

@ danielh68: thank you..too kind

@ Michaelmotion: yup!! and thanks i plan on keepen on trucking :) still a long way to go..

@ slickgreekgoe: thanks man again more to come...keep ya eyes peeled for the updates next week..

@ Dreamshark: hello MR beard :) the light thing is a very good idea...i had actually been thinking of that one funny almost all of the suggentions that people post have gone through my head at one stage..even ya ball o string at least it means im thinking along the right directions :) as i said before...i dont think i will be putting in any "solid" sort of goal...maybe just a sunnier patch or the ray of light that i will mention down a little in this post :) keep thoes ideas and crits a comming

@ Avatarist: good idea for the addition of the extra characters but this little chap is going it 100% alone...its part of the basic guy was just a very quick sketch in to give a feel for the yeah i 100% agree with all the coments about will be changed in the future...thanks you for your ideas...i may just need them when i get to that part again..

@ sloth79: thanks for dropping in the goal has been an off and on issue that keeps comming up alot..50% say do it 50% say dont...i for one say dont do it...but again it IS still an idea to play with...thanks for your ideas and comments

@ joaoCaetano: maybe hes just there to be tourmented by the big evil yeah again the "goal" is something that will need some more thought...but also putting in a distinct goal is going to kill a little of the vastness me really is a tough issue thats been a playing on my mind 24/7...again thanks for the crits and comments

@ maranello55: thanks it seems to remind everyone of

@ mutedOracle: thanks and im a planning on it!1 stay tuned

@ beelow: thanks :) again...more details and textures will be to come

@ kattkieru: who are you? and where did you get that cool avatar picture?? lol we should start a clan with all having the hoody ninjas...three words..."yes!!"
on the textures ill be fixing that up after the ski trip...again i already had your words in my mind :) and also ill be doing a little colour pass to make it a little more interestg...i really wanna do my old phaleo blue trick for the dark/ remember the one// no blacks...but ive never tried it with anything other than oils...will have to see how it goes..oh...and dont lick the fire never know who it may turn out to be whan you wake up..

@ -KiD-: thanks :)

@ Dalton_Muniz: both!! lol and no problems for the comments...ill head over again after my ski trip which is in a few hours...i just wanted to reply to all who had pasted about my typing is evil work...
actually i really like the sky idea too...i was saving it for a rainy day and i too agree that it would make a nice "softer" goal...if i do do the goal thing i really think that it may be that one...thanks for making it stronger in my mind
oh and about the panda...farst..thanks for looking and yeah its the highlight of last year for sure to be chosen for the book :) the sign in the front says "o-kuma-sama" in engilsh "big bear lord" or if read into englisg grammer "LORD BIG BEAR"...LOL actually its a major part for the joke of the picture but nobody really gets it because they cant read it...sortof how i would like to make the light fro the sky in the maze...anyway..thanks for your comments on both pictures

so...its off to drink beer, ski and drink more beer...oh and also try to puzzle my way through final fantasy 12...awesome

as i said ill post some updates again more often early to mid next week after i get back...i just am going to have a really busy next few days and not be home!!

keep thoes comments are comming...i really am sort of really makes me happy to know how much everybody is willing to help out others lol


03 March 2006, 04:52 PM
Man that's just so wonderfull! Good luck!

03 March 2006, 05:58 PM
real nice detail there, dude


03 March 2006, 04:54 PM (

here in anoyhrt quick texture test....just got back from a VERY painful ski trip....

anyway..,...this pic i added the viens.....

03 March 2006, 07:35 PM
I notice something that the textures are prett huge and consistant going towards that back! I think u may want to shrink them as they go back or make them disappear. Do u plan on adding fog in this as well? But, overall this is looking very nice!:thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 11:19 AM
Fantastic work with the maze! It looks rally menacing... the textures you apply gives a sense of realism that makes it top level. I think though as smoeone suggested before that the illumination coming from the character should be somewhat improved and the standing man defined a bit more, but nevertheless there's still a lot of time ahead, that maybe could be your intention in time... Apart from that, your work is becoming freaking awesome man.

03 March 2006, 01:55 PM
beelow: yeah i was thinking that two...its jst that i added them when i was rather drunk and wasnt really thinking
i was aslo thinking mist/fog might be needed somewhere down the line...ill cross that bridge when i get to it...

Ramitxon: thanks :) the lighting and stuff will improve (i hope) further down the
also this guy is just really a stand in although ive sorta grown a little fond of him...i might try to work him up a little soon...or just make the proper guy...

thanks for the hints and input :)
its a great help!

03 March 2006, 02:48 PM
personally i wouldnt add anything to this. A goal or "end point" may be too obvious. I like the simplicity of it. All the attention is drawn to the maze it's self, and being seemingly endless adds alot to the atmosphere. It's cold, harsh and lonely. I love the scale of the maze too. It makes me feel sorry for the character. Keep up the good work.

03 March 2006, 06:52 PM
wounderfull textures.
definately preffer this idea.

nice one.

03 March 2006, 09:51 PM
Amazing image..!! love texture and lighting..!! so cool.

03 March 2006, 03:15 PM (

starting to hit up those textures a little more...

next i want to take out alot ot the "square'ish-ness" of the maze walls making it a little more uneven...

03 March 2006, 03:40 PM
very very special and great piece executed masterly. sorry i subscribe this late, was kept away from the everthing, when my pc died.

looking forward to your progress, no crits atm, your piece is great! keep up the great work!

03 March 2006, 05:40 PM
Oh yeah... It will be a looooong journey... anyway I hope he will find the way! :thumbsup:
Good luck! Keep it up!

03 March 2006, 06:38 PM
Exellent labyrinth concept :thumbsup:

Great work so far, I`m looking forward to see your progress :bounce:

03 March 2006, 06:42 PM
The idea really starting to give me nightmares....Looking at the pic makes it worse!
Im loving this....

A little tut on the texturing if you dont mind Simon....:D:D:D:D:D

*kicked - too many grins*

03 March 2006, 07:00 PM
Looking really good so far, loving the texture on the actual maze! can't wait to see more

03 March 2006, 08:18 PM
An idea that follows the KISS rule but a great one. I love the big optical impact and textures.

03 March 2006, 04:52 PM
wow, very patient of an artist I see you are! great detail and really abstract maze, deep I must say :)

03 March 2006, 05:09 PM
Hey!excellent textures!Your work´s becoming great!


03 March 2006, 07:43 PM
Hello, very nice piece, I like the overall color and mood of it, you might want to add some variations to the walls, maybe some creatures or something there.. cogratulation, looking great so far..


03 March 2006, 07:45 PM
Hi Simon, the texture looks great. One of my fav. ideas, very difficult journey. No critics. Keep going.

03 March 2006, 03:12 PM
Excellent idea and execution! :bounce:
Atmosphere oppressing!

03 March 2006, 05:04 PM
nice idea, great textures & i really like the lightning in there :beer:

03 March 2006, 06:57 PM
I just saw it now.

It looks really "wow"!

03 March 2006, 07:08 PM
you are the second man i found here with a similar way of thinking to myself.
when i first saw it i thought how couldnt i think of this "a labyrinht". ı always like the idea of it.

and about the picture the last angle is perfect lightning is perfect but just an idea: try a darker foggy blurry ambient on the background just to see how it looks it may give more hopelessness to scene (it may not too :P ) but this way it looks like he's trying to go to light and it looks just fine.

03 March 2006, 07:26 PM
the1st_angel:thanks :) looking forward to your input :) yuor pic is really epic by theway!!( if you didnt get it by my

antTON: yeah man!! suprer long....but i im an evil bastard...i really dont want him to end his trip........................

Nomad: yeah me too!!

maranello55: thanks! as to the tute...ill try to do something over the weekend..(little busy at the moment...) but really you will slap your self if i told you how i did

Wilco3D: tuxtures taste good yeah..? lol...thanx

Hexodus: kiss? nan de? (what?)

adonihs: deep yes, patient no!!! thanx

GonzaloGolpe:thanks...and i want more!!

Nakary: variation is comming down the line...just want to get the basic set down firsthen im gonna play :) thax

snowan: thenk you :

sirBS: thants the im glad you can feel it!!

Vahn:thanks :) i asume you mean lighting...but lightning would be extra coool too!! actually ive really been thinking about both....

joana: thanks :) wow is yummy

individium: the depth is something that i will save for a little later...ive been thinking colouds, fog, mist ,haze...i reall want a little of each...just how to work them all in....

03 March 2006, 07:59 PM (

woring on a little more of the texture and also trying to make the middle ground a little less "straight"...roughing up the edges and playing with the colours....moved the sky in a little to make it feel liking it now.. :) ive still to add more "interesting"

03 March 2006, 08:29 PM
Impressive image. Solid and clear idea. The loneliness feeling and the atmosphere are almost asphyxiant.
Nice textures and lighting. How do you get those rock textures?

03 March 2006, 09:29 PM
I Wish I could render rocks like that! Awesome textures and image overall. One suggestion: This maze should lose some contrast sooner then It does... I mean you should add some fog or atmospheric effect of any kind in the not-jet-detailed part of the maze.
Awesome work :thumbsup: :applause:

03 March 2006, 08:24 AM
Simon, damn dude u have been busy great update dude!:thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 08:54 AM
Ahhh...yes the horizon..finally....its vast man.....i wouldnt wanna go in there...but it depends on wut lies at the exiT???:scream:

03 March 2006, 01:18 PM
hi all :0

my computer has crack the currently writing this in safe mode
just backing up all my important files...which there is alot of...then im going to reinstall sucks because i always forget something and it gets lost forever...

anyway...once the computers back up ill be back in action...should be 1 or two hours to get it all together and install all the drivers for my fun toys :)

anyway...if all goes well the challange should vontinue for me :)
if not...mmm....well everthing is backed up so it should be ok no matter what :)


03 March 2006, 04:58 PM
very original idea, and depicts the theme very well! I admire your patience with all that stonework and I love the texture of the whole thing, especially those old vine looking thinga on the foemost wall next to the figure. The lighting seems very regular at the moment, is that something you'll be working more on at a later date? With the darkness of the clouds, the walls seem to be more luminescent than the sky...

And perhaps adding some weird gargoyle-esque figures atop some of the cornerstones of the maze walls would help break up the repetion too... if you wanted to get really fiddly, you could have them representational of the stages of his journey, whatever it may be.

Great work this far though, can't wait to see how it develops

03 March 2006, 08:21 PM
You've probably heard it enough by now, but the textures are amazing! I like this, it seems so simple but so different from what I've seen.

03 March 2006, 09:54 PM
just stoping by to say its a great process :) waiting for those clouds to be done and messy... applying a texture similar to that one on the ground would really give a nice touch to a whole piece. not that it would be superrealistic that way, but the style will be very similar to the traditional painting one. keep up the great work!

03 March 2006, 09:56 PM
Every time I take a look at the progress of your piece it gets better and better, and the concept and composition is always so vivid nad striking.
keep on! :)

04 April 2006, 11:35 AM ( just playing with the maze at them trying to make it a little less "straight:.....there will be more to come tonight....

love CYB!!

04 April 2006, 01:43 PM

04 April 2006, 04:46 PM
I Love it I really do!! dude I'm serious .I totally like the symbolism in this one and not just that the colouring is really great and the mood is really cool too....but I like the symbolism the most I think it's much much deaper than the guy with the boat. keep on rockin' Simon. (and by the way you are welcome to take a look at my humble work, I would love to hear your comments ) :)

04 April 2006, 09:35 PM
its always getting better for sure keep it going man!

only, one problem i see and im sure you feel it too but i must say it (its hardly recognizable) : on the middle part on some areas between the walls it feels like they are filled areas like they have same height with the walls and needs some change in the shadows but as i say its hardly seen and picture is going great.:thumbsup:

04 April 2006, 10:00 PM
Man, this is a great work! The textures are fantastic and I hope this makes it into the top five...

Good dluck, man!

04 April 2006, 05:15 AM
the symbolisim is very strong and indeed your image looks fantastic and is a great idea but for some reason the reminds me very much of harry potter and the goblet of fire you do see a vast maze scape like this same colour tone and everything just thought i would let you know that it does look very similar to a scene in that movie. i strongly support the use of curves in the maze definately will make the maze more interesting and lead your eye into the picture more. and just a sugestion how about doing it at first morning light? dont have to have a sun but the first light could lend more symbolisim to "beginings". to me darkness or darker grey tones and images set at night often refer to an "ending" black also being long accociated with death which is also an ending of sorts. but thats just an obsevation.

good luck

04 April 2006, 05:59 AM
Excellent texture work and the perspective and the composition are perfect. Good luck!

04 April 2006, 11:27 AM
Cool, but little bit too sharpened for me ;) Maybe try to add "distance-fog" ?

04 April 2006, 04:32 PM (




04 April 2006, 05:26 PM
This Looks Very Intresting

04 April 2006, 06:16 PM
Hey Simon, looking better and better! Is the cut across the pic supposed to be there? Or is my monitor just viewing it funny? From what I can see though, the maze looks great and I like the idea of bringing the rainclouds over the top of it over the horizon line. That way it could just go on forever! Can't wait to see how the whole thing is starting to look.

04 April 2006, 06:19 PM
The Cut Is My Way Of gettimng rid of All the Layers....the Next Update.... (already Done But Dunno If Posted Tonight Will Resolve That Line... :) :)


04 April 2006, 02:22 PM
Your painting is very sympathetic nerve, I likes the atmosphere

04 April 2006, 04:19 PM (

just a little haze and fix to the maze :)

i wont stick with this so much it was just an idea that i wanted to try tahat everyone has been saying... :0

also blended in the fixes to the perspective and the skyline...

i think the fog/mst is a little heavy but tis still a ways to go...


04 April 2006, 05:18 PM
If I were you, I'd make this fog look more saturated towards blue tones.. It doesn't work as desaturated as it is.

04 April 2006, 03:02 AM
Hmm... color, or contrast. One of the two-- something to make it come out.

It's really coming along. Something I'm noticing, though-- the horizon feels wrong. The perspective on the clouds, if you could say they really have perspective, is off. They're tilted upwards, somehow... I think that having a more visible horizon, one where you can see a bit of darkness to separate more fully the sky from the earth, could help with this.

Keep going! Be aggressive! Flip out like a ninja!

04 April 2006, 09:42 PM
like other said it needs something for sure but i must add i liked it.

i loved the horizon this way it definetely gives the feeling of an infinitive labyrinth.

04 April 2006, 10:12 AM
Awesome work so far dude. Still wondering what the payoff is for getting thru the maze though.. haha. I do agree with kattkieru about the cloud being a little odd. I'm not quite sure how to fix it though.. maybe less contrast as it goes further.. other than that.. awesom work

04 April 2006, 12:32 PM
I think the cloud might be looking a little too soft/fuzzy at some areas compared to the rest of the picture.
I really like the work on the man and the walls

04 April 2006, 05:52 PM
One of the best pieces in the challenge, hand's down. One of my fav.

04 April 2006, 11:33 AM (

have been having a little break for a spell but now ill be back in action :)

did a little mork on the lighting of the vines and fixing up the rock walls a little ...

this week will be a painting week for sure..

04 April 2006, 11:45 AM
Very powerfull scene. Though, the character is not as powerful as the background. maybe he can look backwards searching for someone who is chasing him? There's no apparent reason for him to enter this maze. Yet it could be my lack of imagination...

04 April 2006, 12:18 PM
vines are great idea and well done, picture needs more vines and maybe you can put some more life feeling in some places of the maze maybe a dim light coming from a far corridor of the maze i dont know if it'll be good but just an idea.

04 April 2006, 12:27 PM
Drakula: i plan to be putting some sort of fog in there in the end :)

THECLYKE: thank you :)

Tranchefeux: thanks :) i thnk that was the feeling i was going for ..

elgrozni: yeah that fog kinda sucked :) it was just a very quick drunken test....ill do it better next will still be a tough one to get going well...thats for the feedback :)

kattkieru: who are yo? lol yeah i agree about the clouds...they look crap..but again they were a quick fill in from the start...they really do look aout of perspective...weird...ive never had to thisk about perspective for clouds its interesting..i was just thinking a sorta overcast layer then some puffy daek rain clouds under ma do the trick...ill get to the clouds this week :)

hungthai: i think that the payoff may just be getting and the clouds shall be fixed soon....i hope...thanx for stopping in!

individium: thanks for dropping by again :) yeah i agree too on both your points.

LadyMedusa: thanks adn i agree about the clouds too...they are next

CoreyArtE: thanks im glad you like it...keep tuned...still got a long way to

Srulo: thanks for the comments. from the start i didnt want this picture to be as character driven as all the other enteries..i wanted the maze to be the main focus by far...soem people have liked this others the guy will be 100% repainted by the end, i dont think ill have him looking to the veiwer tho...he is alone...he cant get help from as for the reason....why did the chicken cross the road...?? to get to the other side....if indeed there is another side to be gotten to...

individium: ou get two replies beacuse you posted while i was typing...yeah i like the vines too...but again i dont want TOO much
LIFE in there...although there may be other things around to look at, like a skull of a dead tree, a spider web,,,even some little rats if i have time...just have to wait and see...i think the concept of the picture is ok but now i juts have to make it a little more visually interesting...

04 April 2006, 02:54 PM (

redid the clouds...the color overlay is just a test..its will not stay....just throwing the colour ideas around...

so what yall think of the sky...?

04 April 2006, 08:03 PM
My favourite.

Good luck.

04 April 2006, 02:51 AM
kattkieru: who are yo?

I am the shadow on the moon at night, filling your dreams to the brim with fright! And I'm a ninja. What's your name?

On the new sky: yes, yes, YES OH YES! Give me more of that sw33t lovin', baybee. It totally opens up the picture, makes it feel more inviting, and you've completely solved the "odd perspective" problem.

On the vines: loving them, but they're going to be a metric ass-tonne of work. Good luck there.

On the composition: Something else I've been considering is that there's no starting point for the eye when I look at this piece from a distance. I'm wondering: have you thought about viewer eye movement yet, or is that something for a later date?

I'm also looking at the bit of light coming down from the clouds in the background. Might be nice if that lit the top of that mountain next to it.

04 April 2006, 03:48 AM
Doode...maybe this will help you out with the clouds....

04 April 2006, 05:18 AM
I can't deny this is quality work, but like others I don't see any reason for this person to be entering the maze. There also doesn't seem to be much happening above the horizon- is this is deliberate? Perhaps it's space for a title line?

Lovely creeping foliage on the walls- beautifully rendered

04 April 2006, 03:42 PM (

added some better mountains...need to move them a little and also fade them out a little to better fit the depth but i think i made some good progress tonight after a slump of not doing so much for the last two weeks...

next will probably be the little mountain/hill on the right hand side..then i want to add some more details and interesting objects before the final colouring phase begins :)

04 April 2006, 04:51 PM
man i love the fact that you took toned down those masses in the background. it looks wicked now. :wip: :wip: :wip:

04 April 2006, 05:02 PM
Wow. This just keeps getting better. I like the touch of gold up in the clouds to subtly tie the sky in with the gold glow in his hand, and those vines! Looking forward to seeing what you do with that last mountain shape. :)

04 April 2006, 05:52 PM
Very expressive. i dont know if someone wrote that but, "i lost myself there"...

Nice atmhosphere. BUT! the conceptual background is changing i think here... Is journey means getting lost in a huge place...? must discuss the opinion, i discussed too much maybe...:)

Nice scene..Good luck.

04 April 2006, 07:44 PM
Fantastic scale! I have to say, as far as "the journey begins" theme goes, this is an excellent way to portray it.

I like the perspective trick w/ the maze. Good call!

In a not-so-criticism way, the mountain closer to the foreground definitely needs to blend into the maze better--but it seems like you just haven't gotten to that point. I'll just keep my mouth such!

Can't wait to see the finished product!

04 April 2006, 10:33 PM
looks much better now
the intersection of the maze and the nearest mountain needs more work i think its not looking as natural as the rest of the picture

04 April 2006, 07:11 AM
hi . it will be nice .watch mine and tell me your idea

04 April 2006, 08:45 AM
I like the sky, it reminds me of Conemara in the West of Ireland, really depressing when its raining.
The brief says the characters expression or emotions are important. Srulo's comment may help but I have no other ideas.

It's a great picture with massive scale.


04 April 2006, 10:27 AM
Very ideological work
It is pleasant to me. The atmosphere is felt

04 April 2006, 04:10 PM
Hey there Cyberone, sorry for coming to comment a bit too late! Been visiting your post but forgot to leave you some comments! My bad. The maze looks concrete-like, so if I am there, I will climb up to the top using the creeping vines and run and jump all the way to the exit :D. Waiting for you to put the mountains in, and some fog?

04 April 2006, 04:40 PM
Excellent work Simon. I see yhe sky more dramatic now. I think there lies the key. You must focus now on the mountain on the right. any key on how are you going to treat its merging with the maze?

04 April 2006, 08:13 PM
nice work! I don't think you need the mountain on the right middle. It would make this maze even more expansive without it. Great texture

04 April 2006, 12:53 AM
thanks everyone for the kind and helpful comments of late :)

at the moment my sister is in japan so i wont get much time for an update this week...

ill be working on the intergration of the little mountain/hill on the right hand side next. i hadnt really spent any time on that corner at all as of yet...thats why it looks very out of place...

again thanks of the helps :0

see yas all in a couple of days :)


04 April 2006, 01:36 PM
Hi Cyber!

Man, amazing image, the walls texture “rocks”..:buttrock: . The perspective too, very difficulty to execute this with the labyrynt walls so complex. And there is no repetition in they´re design pattern, excellent! The atmosphere that you pass in the image is claustrophobic, man I don’t want to be that guy over there..hehe. You will work the sky? I think clouds could have more movement impression, maybe. I will keep looking constantly!

Best wishes to you and your turtle pet!

04 April 2006, 01:51 PM
The texture of the wall of the labyrinth is extraordinary and the light excellente. Clouds are very returned well. A single criticism, I find that the connection enters the mountain to the right and the labyrinth is too frank, but can be is it because this part( does not still have was refined

04 April 2006, 06:11 PM
As said before, i realy love this painting :thumbsup: . Only have one advice - as you have detailed the maze so much, the guy entering it doesn't pop-out of the texture. I suggest adding more contrast and incerase power of that lamp he's holding.

04 April 2006, 06:46 PM
Wow, very cool concept :)
The mountain on the right is bugging me a bit, seems to be too close to the entrance. But I like this a lot.
Keeping an eye on the thread :)

Cheers, Jeroen

05 May 2006, 04:25 AM (

ive come to a point where i need to really decide what to do with the right hand side of the image...the hill thing...

so i put it to a 24hr vote...
which one do you like more...
the maze everywhere or the cliff on the right...

both of them were just quick fill ins so what ever one i pick ill work it back up to better quality again...

while i wait for a reply i might work on the guy and the foreground a little more today...

oh and what did you think of the little grass additions??

anyway i would really love some help to choose which way to go...


05 May 2006, 04:42 AM
However, it seems to me that the one where the mountain appears suggests us that the labirint is conected to earth elements. I liked it most. I hope my opinion will be useful to you.

05 May 2006, 04:47 AM
However, it seems to me that the one where the mountain appears suggests us that the labirint is conected to earth elements. I liked it most. I hope my opinion will be useful to you.

05 May 2006, 08:17 AM
I prefer the second pic, with the mountain

05 May 2006, 09:16 AM
I prefer the right one

05 May 2006, 09:18 AM
gunna broken record this, but right one for sure, more gloomy and dark that way

05 May 2006, 11:13 AM
right definetly - I have reasons but I dont think you will need them - it seems unanimous

05 May 2006, 11:40 AM
Yeah, the right gives it more character, the left one is a bit boring with nothing of interest in the landscape.


05 May 2006, 01:14 PM
dyam! this has come a really long way,looks like it actually exists

05 May 2006, 01:25 PM
I like the mountain in the picture on the right. It breaks up the scene a bit, which is nice. It seems though like the maze just intersects with the mountain. It feels as though maybe the maze could look a little more like it's wrapping around the path of the mountain, rerouting itself to not bump into the cliffs on the right instead of just intersecting with them. Does that make any sense? If not, don't worry about it, it's such a small area and not really clear to read, it could be that you already renderred it that way and I can see it well at this res. Anyhow, good work so far!


05 May 2006, 01:36 PM
Gonna go against the grain here and vote for the just makes the maze look soooo much more VAST wihout the hill....


05 May 2006, 06:17 PM
Mountain, absolutely.
great job here simon :thumbsup:

05 May 2006, 09:16 PM
Great! Great Piece, I love the texture and the perspective. The clouds are great, too.

05 May 2006, 03:00 AM
No Mountain. Leaving the mountain out suggests an even more expansive labrynth. It makes the task of successfully navigating it that much more difficult. The mountain is just to heavy in mass for the composition and having it there leaves me with the impression that i can possibly get around the labrynth. So I'm going against the crowd with this one - hope I stated my case well :)

05 May 2006, 03:02 AM
I'm not agree with the mountain in the right, the left make me feel that's the endless maze that blend to horizontal line but the mountain make the maze smaller than it was.

Anyway live ya painting, CHEERS!

05 May 2006, 01:05 PM
I think I'd go with the mountain too if there's something on the left or further in the distance to balanace the image out. If it's just the mountain then the image will be "heavy" on the right side.

Then again, that could be the look you're going for.

05 May 2006, 02:07 PM
Hi Cyber!

No mountain in my opinion! I think that you loose the sense of a endeless labyrynth with it. I preffer the image that you leave clear, with nothing blocking the vision of the incredible labyrynth.

05 May 2006, 02:40 PM
Hi man liking what I see.

05 May 2006, 04:44 PM
it may appear like the big stone helps with the composition, but also it makes the puzzle area smaller, so you sacrifice the sense of complexity and the viewer lose some atention, keep the non-stone.

it is beatiful, a great perspective, love the character

05 May 2006, 06:29 PM
I'll have to go with the few on this and say no mountain, for the same reasons they said - it makes the labyrinth seem that much more endless without the mountain giving some possible hope.

05 May 2006, 04:27 PM
i like the mountain that place cannot be that much empty but i agree with sideache about this:
'Leaving the mountain out suggests an even more expansive labrynth. It makes the task of successfully navigating it that much more difficult. The mountain is just to heavy in mass for the composition and having it there leaves me with the impression that i can possibly get around the labrynth.'

my suggestion is to put the mountain in a little back and make it a little smaller so everybody can feel that its inside the maze nowhere else to go

05 May 2006, 04:45 PM
no mountain for me. The composition doesnt need it. The maze is epic and daunting and to me has more impact on its own. I just love the simplicity. It's very thought provoking. If this was a poster, it would be on my wall. I love it.

05 May 2006, 05:32 PM
Im also for the one in the left. The mountain brings too much attention without any reason. there is nothing that this element would help explain the story.. its just a disturbing element in the pic.
Keep it clean and deep.

05 May 2006, 12:51 AM
Hi Simon.. seems there's quite a split of opinion here! Both have their pros and cons. The left hand one does look much more expansive, like it goes on for ever, but the composition is simpler, with a series of intersecting straight lines. Without the mountain the feeling is lighter because you have more sky. However, the right one feels darker, more forboding. Also the line of the mountain leads the eye down to the figure, which starts the eye back into the picture again. Without that, it takes the eye a while to find the figure. The rock also brings elements of the background into the foreground, which seems to make the environment as a whole more cohesive. I do think Kattkieru had a good point with it being quite 'right heavy' though, if you do go with the mountain. Having gone through that myself I don't know which to go for... *ponders* I think my gut instinct said right hand picture with the mountain, so I'll stick with that.

05 May 2006, 01:35 AM
Two more cents from me. Sometimes simplicity in a composition can say far more and tell a more complex story. Either way you decide, your application is outstanding. Bravo! This has been a nice discussion

05 May 2006, 05:15 AM
Hey Simon, fantastic images! Vastly prefer the image on the left...if you were photographing this scene wouldn't you move the camea a bit to the left to cut out the mountain -- or, photograph the mountain entirely itself? I don't know...either one is fantastic, very engaging, but I love the sense of depth in the left hand image.

"No mountain in my opinion! I think that you loose the sense of a endeless labyrynth with it. I preffer the image that you leave clear, with nothing blocking the vision of the incredible labyrynth."

100 percent agree with that post. --Can't wait to see what you come up with though. Good luck!

05 May 2006, 05:47 AM
the mountain for sure it create more depth and leads your eye into the picture more

05 May 2006, 10:41 PM
I would go without, not really liking that mountain there. Seems too placed there. I would maybe add something that is far off in the background, so that he is going to something, maybe not what ur going for though! But, definitely do away with the mountain, Simon!:thumbsup:

05 May 2006, 12:52 AM
Personally I like the mountain, it makes it seem a bit more realistic. The maze isn't perfect. Maybe you could put a stair case carved out of the mountain and a bit more of the Labyrinth up there too. It might be where the maze may not. Anyway, in the end it's your decision so get on with it, I want to see more. It's coming along wickedly.

Ciao mate.


05 May 2006, 01:01 AM
i got a new idea for the mountain:
maze going in and out of the mountain, much more terrifying isnt it?
it wont be just a wall or a dead end it will be added by whoever made this endless maze as a dark and more horrible place of the maze. it can make the maze even more epic.
im not sure of course but its worth trying in my opinion.

05 May 2006, 01:09 AM
i like the right one, cause i'm a big fan of having foreground, midground and background.

lookin great.
nice vines too,

05 May 2006, 02:18 PM
i'd go with the version on the right -- the mountain anchoring down the maze adds a sense of visual interest and enormity to the overall composition. really cool texture and mood you've got goin' on here -- it's a pleasure checking back in and seeing the progress. nice work!

05 May 2006, 05:03 AM
and the final results of the voting.....

Left picture 9 votes
Right picture 15 votes

wow!! a realy big thankyou to everybody who made their case and an extra big thanks you to those that gave strong reasoning about their really has made me think about the painting alot more :)

it was really cose in there for a while and i really wasnt expecting such a fantastic response from all :) again thank you all who got involved :)


05 May 2006, 05:06 AM
i got a new idea for the mountain:
maze going in and out of the mountain, much more terrifying isnt it?
it wont be just a wall or a dead end it will be added by whoever made this endless maze as a dark and more horrible place of the maze. it can make the maze even more epic.
im not sure of course but its worth trying in my opinion.

yeah that was an idea that had been going around in my head for a while...
could be very interesting...may have to give that one a try..


05 May 2006, 06:14 AM
:) This is looking really great and I think the mountain adds weight and depth to the picture without loosing the sense of scale.

Not sure if you need the maze going through the mountain as the main thing is portraying a sense of the journey beginning and you've captured this really well

spectacular work Simon :)

05 May 2006, 04:42 PM (

so i put the decision to a vote and it came to
15 votes for the mountain
9 votes for without..


well here is the mountain blended in a little...

i still ahve alot of work to do...fixing up and blending up the the textures.

and still got some more details to add....a dog skeleton in the foreground...some rocks and litter...thats sort of stuff...

anyways thanks for all the input from all the poeple who gave input for this last stage of my painting :)



05 May 2006, 09:29 PM
I like the detail around the guy and I lke the mountain too. It looks finished to me.

Well done... it's a winner.


05 May 2006, 08:13 PM
And the winner is...

Seriously, this is a great piece. Stong story telling and great craftsmanship. Keep it up.

05 May 2006, 03:50 PM
looking great simon, very well done

yes i think this picture also is needed to be in the winners list

05 May 2006, 02:15 PM (

i have repainted the man and put in alot of extra detail that you cant really see at this res.

also playing with the idea of grass a little more and a little better than before...

ive thought of an idea to fix the unbalance of the mountain on the right of the has to do with some subtle cropping wich actually works a treat...ill save that fr one of my final updates...

still 12 days to go and also alot of details of the painting...

also recently ive fixed up most of the maze so it looks alot cleaner...also you cant see that in this image...


more painting time...


05 May 2006, 04:18 PM
looks like you've finished. definately one of my favs. and its cool to see you you refining it with some extra detailing. good luck.

05 May 2006, 10:12 PM
It's a great pic Ciberone, I love the skeleton in the bottom right, it adds a bit of terror to the athmosphere. (click on the image for a larger res and then zoom in to 200%)

You'll be finished soon... and a winner too


05 May 2006, 10:58 PM
Nice idea and wicked detailing this has got. The story is strong with this one...


05 May 2006, 01:02 PM

I really like your concept and way how you have executed it: light, mood, detail.

You have done fantastic job and I would say you have pretty good chance to win this competition. Great work :)



05 May 2006, 05:39 PM (

ok its not long to go....put ALOT of work into this challange and i must say its been great and all the poeple have been go kind and helpful its beyond words :)

so now comes the final stage...

some more little details to come...


05 May 2006, 05:55 PM
looks very cool so far. i like the warm area in the foreground. perhaps you could cool the labyrinth in the distance a bit down and add some fog, to enhance atmospheric perspective?

About one third from above are two areas that are too dark compared to the areas that are closer to the viewer. Hope that makes sense.

Looking forward to the finished piece :)

05 May 2006, 06:42 AM
hey , great man , your image remind me the RPG game scene , so wide-eyed

really good

Best regard


05 May 2006, 07:35 AM
Amazing entry! I like this "claustrophobic" vision of a vast landscape! Congrats!

05 May 2006, 02:19 PM
greta work man, love the texturing love the scale !

you done ?
good luck!!

05 May 2006, 05:26 PM
looks wonderful, but I agree with someone on this forum, add some fog to make it more mysterious..ever see the latest Harry Potter? with the maze? totally fogged up and it looked way cool...but this is greatly drawn!

05 May 2006, 07:03 PM
very good work! no crits.

05 May 2006, 12:24 AM
hey man if i can suggest some light and shadow on the top of the maze to add to the interest of the image. and more contrast on the close rock thing would also help allot. anyways good stuff :)

05 May 2006, 06:10 AM
Looking sick dude. ^_^

One thing: the horizon mountains fade off and leave that block of space open on the left; it's a little distracting. Other than that, after all you've said (and the late-night talks I've been having with the ninja cabal what spies on your bedroom), I think you're nailing what you set out to accomplish.

Good luck in the final phase!

05 May 2006, 07:26 AM
duuUUuuuude!! you may win this thing or you may not,but know my opinion I think that your piece is the best one I've seen in this challenge :) dude,If it was like in a acnvas n stuff I'd like hang it on my wall or something!! I'm serious and I swear I'm not saying that just to be nice......I like things that are definitive and ..simple yet effective..designs that don't have any extra unneeeded details ..y'know?

good work man and please come check out my work.

All the best


05 May 2006, 08:04 AM
Great concept.:bowdown: Despite the foreboding qualities, I want to go in there and explore the maze. I personally like the mystery to the image. It offers up questions like, who built it and where does it lead to. Good luck with the judges.:thumbsup:

05 May 2006, 01:37 PM
domclubb: almost

EdP-Art: thank you and i like your piece too :) its been fun to watch everyones pictures/paintings grow and evolve hasnt it..? :)

QUILLS: thank you...i think the story is strong too...that what i really wanted in this piece...we all know what he is going to do but the why is something ive tried to leave to all the viewers of the piece :) hehe

krpolak: thank you very much for the kind words...ive put alot of time into this one (although I'd like to do more...) and i really think its been a great development ifor my CG skills and its also been fun so im more that happy what ever happens in the end :)

El Chief: thank you and i think i know th dark patches you are talking about...ill try to fix em up if i can.. :)

kreuz: thank you!! i love RPG games sooooooo much...maybe that is where the feeling are coming from.

medunecer: thanks the claustrophobic feel was something i was aiming for so thankyou :)

Neubius: thanks man...almost done...very

adonihs: ill try the fog again...ive tried it a few nights and i didnt really like the results...ill see if i can get it going tonight before i do the final image..

individium: thanks dude...and thanks for all the help along the way...its been great.

Slav: ill try to give that a go much to do so little time...

kattkieru:that gap was supposed to be rain/storm but i think it got lost along the way...will try to fix it if i can,...ta...and by the way...SKYPE ME!! hehe

Rooma: OMG such kind words...thanks soooo much!! its been a struggle at a few stages but im happy with the results myself so thats the main glad you like it the start everyone was saying that may be a bad road to go down but im glad i stuck with it and went for the harder image,,,thanks again!

Hoju: thanks! i want to go in the maze too!! but i think if you went in there would be a damn good chance of never comming out questions are my presents to the viewer to say "hey thanks for looking" :) as for the judges...mmmm...dunno if it has enough hot chick value...(just kidding)

05 May 2006, 01:47 PM
It seems impossible that you have anything left to do! Congratulations on practically finishing and good luck with the judging!

05 May 2006, 01:55 PM
I had an idea at the beginning of the Contests. I make a Labyrint. And then I searve all the treads. And see there, you had the idea before me. And now I am glad, which you converted this idea. Because I would have that never as well get as you. I am overwhelmed. Much luck.

05 May 2006, 03:17 PM
This turned out really well. That structure is amazing! (gotta learn to do that some day)
I like that you did the sky this way, it adds to the mood.
You did a great job with this!

05 May 2006, 05:20 PM (

The Journey Begins...

First off I just want to say thank you to all that have made any kind of input for this image...Basically if you have made ANY type of suggestion at all then I have tried it even if you didnt get to see it painted...even the more wilder of the suggestions were at least given a quick go...

I'm more going to write more a "background" about the image rather than a story...and by the end i hope you can see why..

First off when I started this challange I wanted to go for something a little dark...something that could lead to death, although I didnt want death represented in the picture in a "hey this person is going to die in the next few seconds via a big monster" kind of death...

I wanted it a little more subtle than that...something a little darker even...maybe more terrible in the end..

Another underlying thought that i've had for the image is that the person is 100% alone...even quite distanced from the viewer..he has no idea that we are wave good-bye and he goes of on his little trip. He is miles away from any other living creature...(maybe)...and that could be the way that it will end. But then again he could reach his goal, a goal that is so far off, so at the edge of his dreams reach that we are not allowed (by some neat trick of the artist or camera) to even see what it is. his Journey will leave the viewer behind quickly.

Basically this painting is a reaction to all the cute, happy, sexy, fluffy images that we see around us every day...I dont know why in such a strange and lonely world we are drawn to paint such easy and happy topics..escape(ism) in most case maybe, or perhaps a kind of shutting out of the real world around us...who knows? of course I do it quite

So, in the end I suppose my image is about the real image of the way I see the lives af all around can make what you like of that..hehe

One last and final thought I have to say on this painting is that i think (as so many others have said) that it raises alot more questions than is answers.
who is he?
where is he?
why is he there?
how did he get there? (no supplies??)
where is he going?
is there a goal?
will he survive?
...the list goes on...

My very last thought is about these questions...

If we, as the viewer, are given all the answers on a nice neat little plate, where then is the fun of the Journey of art? this is not my intention to be lazy or make a simple picture (actually i think its alot harder than shoving a story right under the viewers nose..) what i have wanted to say in this image is "its up to YOU...THIS IS YOUR JOURNEY! please make of it what you will" CYB

and thanks again to all here at CGtalk.
you are all the best!

05 May 2006, 05:21 PM
Good Luck,,! It S A Good Image

05 May 2006, 05:28 PM
Awesome work man. I agree with your thoughts on telling a story...I think stories taint an image too much and that the viewer should be left to just feel the story in the painting itself. (with the exception--of course--of artists like Linda Bjerkvist [am I spelling that right] who are both talented writers and artists).

Excellent background, excellent picture...I feel a journey beginning when I see it.


05 May 2006, 06:40 PM
:applause: beautyful, absolutely.

Good luck with voting simon.

05 May 2006, 12:29 PM
looks great, good luck.

05 May 2006, 12:44 PM
Great piece....good luck mate

05 May 2006, 03:17 PM
OliveBeard: glad you agree...i was afraid that nobody

notpill: thanks you!! :) and you too !

warpy: thanks!

Nazirull: thanks!! you too!!