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03-01-2006, 11:01 AM
Patrick K.H. Lee is entered in the "The Journey Begins Challenge" update: View Challenge Page (

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03-01-2006, 11:04 AM
nice theme....can think of so many ideas....even though most seems cliche. time to sharpen those pencils again.

03-01-2006, 09:51 PM
Welcome back Pat! Yeah get those pencils sharpened hehe!:thumbsup:

03-03-2006, 08:50 AM (

Thanks Beelow, for dropping in so early!

Here's my very first concept...what it differs from the concept in my head is that instead of a party, there's only one guy. I will come up with the party sketch later and see which one works better.

03-03-2006, 08:55 AM
wow... beautiful colour study.

Spot on....

03-03-2006, 08:56 AM
Looking awsome already. Great work! :thumbsup:

03-03-2006, 09:23 AM
Hi Patrick , the color choice is delicate and well organised in your sketch. A great start in autumn. I wish you good luck

03-03-2006, 09:25 AM
that is just lovely.. i want to be there... keep it coming!

03-03-2006, 09:27 AM
wow... what an amazing sense of color. The perspective is really nice as well. you mentioned that most of the ideas you were coming up with seemed cliche in your first post. maybe there are somethings you could add to this that would make it less so?

03-03-2006, 09:51 AM
my second concept would be similar, chinese style.. nice mood on your pic, I can feel the breeze.

03-03-2006, 09:51 AM
great start~a beautiful scenery,lets see more :)

03-03-2006, 10:46 AM
Hey Pat Piper, I like very much the mood of your concept, bring it on!

03-03-2006, 11:33 AM
very nice mood! ;)

03-03-2006, 11:50 AM
WWwwwwoooooowwwww really great start here... i love the color.. :applause:

Can't wait to see more..
Good luck

03-05-2006, 12:20 PM
Awesome sketch, the composition is just wonderfull! Good luck :D

03-05-2006, 12:25 PM
nice colors! good luck:beer:

03-05-2006, 12:49 PM
this is a beautifull sketch! i gotta watch it!!:D

03-05-2006, 08:44 PM
Why haven't i seen this threas before? Excellent sketch, no crits. Good luck and have fun!

03-05-2006, 09:16 PM
very nice feel to this. I would just push the sence of scale a bit more and you are set to go.

03-05-2006, 09:23 PM
looks very good but i think the "castle" should be more far away it seems very close. like the traveler will reach it in one day so the "journey" concept its a little bit lost

cheers and good luck!!! :bounce:

03-05-2006, 09:31 PM
Great start Patrick , nice color palette, a very nice mood is created , Good luck :thumbsup:
i'll be watching this thread ...

03-05-2006, 11:50 PM
Really nice so far. The colors are very soothing. I agree with the scale, maybe push the castle a bit more to give a larger sense of 'journey'. Can't wait to see where it goes!

03-06-2006, 12:32 AM
Great composition, looking forward to see the progress. Good luck, and have fun.

03-06-2006, 10:16 AM
a very nice and poetic idea, congratulations

03-06-2006, 10:22 AM
Love your colors! Coming from a photographic background, may I suggest perhaps darkening the foreground a little bit more. That will create a bigger depth of field, I think. Maybe you could also tweak your angle so that the castle is noticeably higher than the character? If I seem to nitpick, sorry about that!

03-06-2006, 10:46 AM
Simple and efficient. I like it. Maybe add more depth to the castle because the journey seems more finished that in the begin.
Nice colors

03-07-2006, 12:13 PM
excellent work!

03-07-2006, 12:36 PM
That's goin to kick some asses as soon as it is more detailed. cute one :thumbsup:

03-07-2006, 01:51 PM
i am digging the color scheme; it gives the whole piece a nice flow. I agree with changing the scale of the castle to push the depth in the piece.

03-07-2006, 02:02 PM (

Xi said: “The thing does not belong on the earth. Tomorrow I will take it to the end of the earth and throw it off.”
Gobo said: “I think the end of the earth must be very far. I think you’ll have to walk for 20 days. Perhaps 40.”
Xi said: “I will start walking tomorrow.”

03-07-2006, 02:03 PM
hehe...I guess I got a little sidetracked from my first concept. Fond memories of that scene from that old movie (The Gods Must Be Crazy) had inspired me to paint this, even though I doubt that I will use it for the contest. Despite what some people think about the movie being exploitative and all, I still feel that it carries a message that is timeless. Besides, without this movie, I wouldn't have known or took the time to find out more about the real people of the San. ( )watch the movie again if you can and decide for yourself. :)

Also, thanks for all the great comments and compliments from all of you for my previous sketch! Thank you!! :D

03-07-2006, 02:06 PM
beautiful idea!!

although the story is what really makes if for are you going to put all that into the picture?


but lovely painting too...great colours :)

03-07-2006, 02:07 PM
This last concept is very strong!
...... yep, very strong! ;)

good luck.

03-07-2006, 02:10 PM
Fantastic! It looks like a finished piece.

03-07-2006, 03:15 PM
wonderful atmosphere in that african concept. And I do not know the story so I can say it is not needed to enjoy that scene!

03-07-2006, 03:29 PM
HUahuhua! I, in the other hand, have watched the movie already and i loved the concept! It fits the theme well and is very well done. Beautifull image (like the one before too)!

Keep it up mate!

03-07-2006, 04:42 PM
Awesome sketches man. Love the little story going on with the tribal concept. The interest was there until the last part... The "I will start walking tomorrow". It kinda lost the magic there. The momentum kinda vanished. The comment's probably not constructive to the artwork itself I know... Just sharing my thoughts. Composition looks great. The village could use a little more life though. Looks a bit lonely. Even I wouldnt think twice about leaving to search for the end of the world.

03-07-2006, 04:43 PM
Even if you don't use it (why not?!) it's a wonderful image so far: It's a lovely palette, and it so clearly presents the theme, with the lone man walking away from the villagers. If you didn't know the source, it could almost be maudlin: Is he leaving on a journey to help the village, or has he been cast out of the group? It's really only the bottle that ties it the the cinematic reference. Remove that and it's still a powerful piece. Replace it with a spear and it's a different piece. Good luck, one way or another...! :)


03-07-2006, 06:44 PM
the last concept ,so dramatic and nice color palette. ... great going ... go on. :thumbsup:

03-07-2006, 09:24 PM
Amazing atmosphere! Keep going

03-07-2006, 09:54 PM
Wow! What a nice concept sketch, it looks like the final image.

03-09-2006, 01:42 PM
Thank you all for taking the time to come in this thread and giving such nice comments!

But I'm sorry that I had forgotten to state that I didn't invent the story, the dialogue was taken out of the movie "The Gods Must Be Crazy", which had inspired me with the painting.

Thanks Michael Dashow....for the support and suggestions and teaching me the meaning of the word "Maudlin" ( I had to check with a dictionary, seriously.:) ) However, I still don't think that I will develop the concept any further, since it is not original and there's not much I can add to it. It just happens that when the idea struck, I felt like I had to do it, but now that the image is out of my head, I feel like it's done and I'm quite pleased with it.

03-09-2006, 02:00 PM
that's one great sketch dude

real nice mood


03-09-2006, 11:58 PM
Patrick,welcome back dude,sorry I am late, the 2 sketchs U ve done r just great,
I would like to choose the 1st one,becoz the light show more hope and seems the adventure is gonna start,haha but thats just my personal suggestion, keep it up man! shows HK power:)

03-10-2006, 12:49 AM
I so love that movie. My family brought that movie to my attention, and I thought it was just great! where who said that?? fuk'em who ever says that haha! jk!:D

What Idea is not recycled, there is really never anything that is oringinal! Just the way u comvey it may be the original part! Lovely paintings dude! U have a strong sense of color, gud luck dude!:D

03-10-2006, 01:34 AM
You remember that Australian movie from the 80's and it's sequel? Seriously, if that's what you were going for than Kudos, you've done a bang up job. And if you remember, N!xau went on quite an incredilbe journey, one that began in a setting not unlike the one I see before me.

03-13-2006, 12:30 PM (

I don't know if I should label this concept sketch. Because it's a strange case where I rendered too much detail and it had lost the visual simplicity which I was hoping for in the final image. If this is the one I choose, I will probably go back to earlier steps of this image and work from there.

Anyway, the story of it is based on the chinese classic "Outlaws of the Marsh".
Wusong - the character in the image, is on his way to visit his elder brother after many years of wandering. But right before crossing the Ridge of JingYang, he came to a wine house. And flying from the winehouse is a banner with the words:"Three Bowls And You Shall Not Cross the Ridge". The keeper of the winehouse explained to Wusong that a white foreheaded tiger had been roaming about on the Ridge and drinking more than three bowls of wine would spell peril for any travelers. Wusong laughed at this exaggeration and persisted in ordering more bowls of wine. He ended up drinking eighteen bowls. This is the scene depicting the start of his journey walking up that ridge.

03-13-2006, 12:35 PM
Concept sketch? It looks finished! Love this, it has amazing atmosphere. BTW, I'm surprised he can even walk after 18 bowls of wine.

03-13-2006, 12:38 PM
if thats a concept sketch then we are in serious serious trouble... loevely atmosphere you have in your concpets and i love your storys behind them.. cant wait to see you start on one.. :thumbsup:

03-13-2006, 12:50 PM
beautiful detail! the foliage is so richand lush.... nice composition, too.

03-13-2006, 02:01 PM
i really like the forest in the last sketch, it has a real sense of foreboding...awesome work~

03-13-2006, 02:15 PM
Sorry if I got too wordy before, Pat! :)

This is another nice concept... in fact, all of your concepts have been top-notch. There's no rush at this point, but I have to say I'm really looking forward to seeing your entry when it gets more finished.

I think this concept is just lovely all by itself. But the character in it does not look like a man who just drank 18 bowls! Showing that would probably turn this piece into more of a comedy... which is what I would do! But you're not me. And this piece stands on its own as being quite nice, even without the 18 bowls showing. The only other comment I'd make is that the ground feels too even and flat, even if it is at an angle. Maybe some more organic curves and bumps would make that stick out less?

Either way, looking great. Good luck!


03-13-2006, 02:16 PM
Awesome atmosphere! Just great!

03-13-2006, 03:24 PM
Beautifull sketches,Pat. Amazing!
But what you gonna do in your final painting?? I'ts almost done!




03-13-2006, 08:28 PM
You make a beautifull work, the last skecht is pretty good, keep it up !

03-13-2006, 08:39 PM
hah, nice sketch!

i like the mood much, good job !


03-13-2006, 08:46 PM
Great work!! Awsome concept??? :p great atmosphere and story!

03-13-2006, 09:17 PM
Last sketch is really strong keep at it dude good luck!:thumbsup:

03-13-2006, 09:38 PM
Great great work, especially for a concept. Well done.

03-14-2006, 08:56 AM
Very nice ,can't wait to see more!:)

03-14-2006, 09:07 AM
great piece~this looks almost finish to me~some 10% detailing and this is done:scream:

03-15-2006, 04:32 PM (

Ok, this it, I think I have the final idea that I want to pursue, but this will take some more time to develop than the rest. I start with this very rough color sketch, and this time I set myself a very strict time limit - less than 10 minutes. The reason is because I've noticed that the colors in my previous works all tend to be very muddy and lacks contrast, so this time I hope to play it up by giving myself less time to hesitate and wander.

03-15-2006, 04:48 PM
Wonderful colours! I like the composition, looking forward to seeing the next steo :thumbsup:

03-15-2006, 05:36 PM
Beautiful colors! ;)

03-15-2006, 07:32 PM (

I know much of these will be reworked later, but for now it helps me in visualizing the scene and with my line drawing. I toned down the colors a bit here. Dunno if anybody can a scene of a band of adventurers crossing a stream.

03-15-2006, 07:33 PM
no crits here.. nice work

03-16-2006, 08:03 PM (

Right from the start, I knew I wanted to do something about samurai. However, I've never had any experience of drawing them. So I started by watching some samurai movies to gain more knowledge of the subject. The purpose of this study is to familiarise myself with the samurai costume and thus gain more confidence in drawing them. I will continue to work on it. Crits and tips are most welcome!

03-16-2006, 08:12 PM
Hi Madalaine, Michael van den Bosch, Wil, thank you all for the support. I will continue to work hard!



03-16-2006, 08:29 PM
:eek: my god your so fast! you must have some time on your hands unlike us still in high school.

Those samurai remind me of samurai champloo style in the face and lower half of the body as well, but the lighting on the colors is just killer :thumbsup: hope to see more of your stuff

03-16-2006, 08:50 PM
Please, stop here the Contest... you will not give us a chance :rolleyes:


03-16-2006, 10:56 PM
cool character designs :D if you havent seen samurai champloo yet then go get some ! :wavey:
I like their blue colors in the rough comp sketch before ... looks really good with the reddish - orange autumn trees .

rock on pat :beer:

03-17-2006, 12:19 AM
Hey there Patrick,

The Samurai studies are looking good. I think for me the one that works the best with your 'Enjoying the Breeze' scene is the fourth character. I like the look of him as well as the pose. The pose fits nicely with the calm moment standing there in the breeze. Very nice work.


03-17-2006, 10:06 AM
I completely agree with osgii but in a way no matter, i do it in 3d :scream:

03-17-2006, 08:10 PM
Hi there,

Samurai? I love'em. Ever seen "House of flying daggers"? Chinese Martial Arts though but prettiest colors i've seen in a eastern movie. Could be a perfect color-ref for your imagery...

Best regards and big respect

Khan alias Chupacabra

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03-18-2006, 12:01 AM
damn man, I really love ur sketches! So full of detals and nice colors, the characters r also great. dont stop posting them.. before u choose for which theme u r going to, I'd like to see more ideas :) and that one with the Xi is aboslutely fantastic idea! hehe

03-18-2006, 05:23 PM (

I've always imagined a samurai version of Lord of the Rings. And I've also wondered what it would be like, or how magnificient I should say, if Kurosawa had adapted it for screenplay. Well, I guess I will never get an answer and I'm just using this opportunity to mix the two genres. Here's one my BG Concepts for it. One inspired by Disney's "Mulan" I guess.

03-18-2006, 06:39 PM
Trevul & Adrian: Thanks...I'm happy that you guys like it. I haven't seen Champloo and thanks for mentioning that. I will take a looksee if I happen to find it! :)

Jonathan, Vincent: haha....I was only joking to the Baron, haha, I hope u guys are too! :D

Kevin, Kan, Blaz : Thank you all for your kindness!

03-20-2006, 07:46 AM
Ah man I have to get started! Hey lovely stuff ur making, keep it up!
Oh yea. I was wondering if u can tell me about the illustration or concept jobs in HK. Are there very little? Cuz I like hk.. lol..if i don't work in hk i'd try to work elsewhere in China.

03-20-2006, 08:21 AM
Love your last concept. Maybe it would be a good idea to give the group some kind of direction where they can move. Right now it seems they´re just hanging around a bit.
And in this composition the emphasis lies on the epic scenerie rather than on any expressions of the samurai, making it even harder to understand what´s going on.

Anyway, looking forward to where this leads, very interesting approach.

03-20-2006, 02:08 PM
Hi Jeffrey, thanks for the comments. But in answer to your question: yes, unfortunately, there are not too many available jobs for concept or illustration work and game and fx studios are just a handful as far as I know. But Hong Kong is always trying to establish itself as a cultural centre in asia and from what I heard, the animation industry will be slowly working its way up to some prominence. But for that to happen, the industry needs talent, which is what I think is seriously lacking here. Also, to make a show happen, it's inevitable that there will be affiliations with mainland studios, so you'll no doubt find better opportunities there. But if you really want to work in HK, don't let your hopes down. In fact, I actually know someone who graduated from Sheridan and is now working in a HK studio. If you need more info, you can send me a pm. :)

03-20-2006, 02:21 PM
Hi Torsten, thank you for the comment, I really agree. In my latest concept, there really isnt a "beginning" of a journey mood to it, it looks more like they are in the middle of it.

At this point, I still do not have a specific image that I have in mind, and therefore most of what I did are just rough wide shots. For my final image I really wish to focus more on the characters, but also set them in front of an interesting background, which is quite difficult, given the required number of characters. In doing more bg concepts, I'm hoping that something will strike me so that I will know what kind of story I really want to tell.



03-20-2006, 03:38 PM
I do like that tree, it's very majestic and well designed. Not sure how you're going to get the journey theme in there, but I'm sure you'll think of something :)

03-20-2006, 07:22 PM
Interesting concept! I would like to see a definite forground, middleground and background, Good luck pat!:thumbsup:

03-20-2006, 09:29 PM

Yeah man, that's excactely what i mean! Keep on.

Best regards and big respect

Khan alias Chupacabra

My Journey Begins (

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03-21-2006, 04:17 PM (

Looking at study A, I realized that the characters are a bit too colorful for my own taste. Therefore in this study I try to use more natural and subdued colors. Aside from the samurai, I also made some studies on some peasant costumes. The purpose of these drawings are again early steps to make myself more comfortable with creating more original designs later, and therefore, I try not to stray too much away from historical reference.

03-21-2006, 04:50 PM
Very nice character sketches, the paint look is wonderful... are you sure they aren't the final images?:)

03-22-2006, 03:31 AM
nice proportions!
I really like it, also the color and style! :thumbsup:

keep it on!


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03-22-2006, 09:22 AM
Cool colorful characters :thumbsup: Love the feel of the piece you're working on too. Keep it up man :)

03-22-2006, 03:54 PM (

My first line sketch for the final image. Not much to talk about, except that it captured the mood that I sort of wanted. Will try a few more and perhaps doodle with the compositon a bit before I jump into detailing.

03-22-2006, 08:35 PM
Not sure whats going on yet, but the stance of the samurai on the right look great and to me it looks like an old wise guy on the far left. The incline is definately working. hope to see more :)

03-22-2006, 08:36 PM (

It seems that whenever I want to decide on something, I think of doing something else....a bad habit perhaps....but this is kinda playing backwards to the first I always wanted to do some sort of waterfall background for it. Photo ref was used for this one tho, and thus the more photogenic colors...which may not be what I had intended.

03-22-2006, 08:43 PM
Hmm, I am liking the previous concept dude. you may want to go with that one, The last one does not seem to strike me with the theme, maybe the character can be walking down like winding trails or he is just stand there observing the scenery trying to figure out where he wants to go? I think it needs a little working on though IMO! But, it is a great sketch though!:thumbsup:

03-22-2006, 08:50 PM
thanks Bryce! I feel so too....luckily I didnt spend too much time on the latter, only a couple of hours...phew, haha...thanks again, I will continue with the previous concept. :)

03-22-2006, 08:51 PM
Another nice concept, though not as strong as some of your others. (it feels like he's at the end of his journey.) Still, if you ever settle on a theme, you're going to be real dangerous! :)


03-24-2006, 06:49 PM (

A kappa replacing a hobbit, hehe. Will probably go thru a few stylistic makeovers and refining, but here's the very important first sketch.

03-29-2006, 09:42 AM (

hoping to save some time, I've decided to skip most of the development process that I usually go thru when planning an illustration and just go to the final. Can't be too bogged down with one image, right? Here goes... :)

03-29-2006, 10:41 AM
ha is that gollum on the left? :D

03-29-2006, 09:20 PM
hehe, yeah, it looks like Gollum.

Nice composition this last one! well done. But move, the time is running out

03-29-2006, 09:27 PM
This last concept is looking good, nice line-art!
*sits back and waits for more*

03-30-2006, 03:58 AM
Really like this last concept you have got goin on
i think it captures the mood and feel of goin on a journey

the colour scheme that you are starting to go for
is coming along nicely
i like the red trees

maybe as far as composition goes you could finish of the rock on the left that
the main character is standing on and then have a bit of space to the left of that

so make the shot slightly wider still ..... might even give it a greater feeling of what the group
is about to embark on....... ( (

03-30-2006, 09:37 AM
Thanks guys for the comments.

yes, that is gollum hiding behing that rock on the left. :) The rest of the party should also be easy to distinguish once I get more details in.

Hi Simon, thanks for dropping by! But I'm not sure what your suggestion was. Did you mean the guy in a crouching pose on the right, or the gollum on the left? Anyway, I tried both ways and it does make the picture seem grander. However, after comparing it to the old version, the middle characters seem a bit lost and the overall image just lost its tightness that I wanted. But it was a good suggestion, thanks! :)

Hopefully there will be an update soon....

03-30-2006, 01:39 PM
Sorry Patrick

i did mean the space on the right hand side

i was thinking one thing and typing something different..... not enough sleep :) ( (

03-30-2006, 09:47 PM
very nice! What about putting a secret warrior int o the tree? like a spy wathing them.. just a suggestion. what about a ninja? :D hehe.. keep up the great work man!

03-31-2006, 10:11 AM (

The step of line art is always most straining for me because I have little patience for it. But I know it will come back to haunt me later if I don't do it at all. So, I try to add most of the details at this stage, while keeping it loose enough to make room for changes during the color stage. So far, I got half of it here. Also sorry for legolas fans, because I felt that I needed a female character in the pic, so he has been replaced by a ninja elf/spirit girl, hehe.

03-31-2006, 10:29 AM
Hehe... No crits at all! Just came by to say you are making a wonderfull job!

03-31-2006, 11:23 AM
Nice progress Pat, Keep it coming, Love the Line art!:D

03-31-2006, 04:07 PM
Great composition and characters! Looking forward to seeing this one finished!

03-31-2006, 06:49 PM
the latest update is great! I'd concentrate on that

04-01-2006, 06:53 AM
great job!
there's an awesome dynamic in your composition and a very good draw.
i love your sense of detail.
i think it will be a wonderful piece.
remind me a little the age of AD&D...:)
looking foward too....

good luck!

04-01-2006, 09:39 AM (

Again I was beginning to feel that I'm overdoing the lineart a bit and this is probably a good time to sit back for a while, anything more is just redundant and confuses me anyway. I didn't like the tree on the right - it reminded me a bit of tarzan, too tropical and doesn't suit the oriental environment that I was going for. I will continue to fix errors as I see them, but will proceed to coloring otherwise.

04-01-2006, 04:47 PM
Hey there! nice work so far. and keep it up.

I kinda need some help from you... I am currently working at 5510 x 1958 at 600 pixels per inch on a picture, so, the final image would have this aspect ratio. I see you have a similar aspect ratio, and i didn't quite understand the contest's final ftp image uploading rules, so I need your advice on this. Is 5510 x 1958 okay for a final image?

And by the way.. what size will yours be when finalized?

Thank you for any consideration, and good luck ... your pic is great so far

04-02-2006, 10:25 AM
hey pat thanks for the help in my thread. About your pic.. how about an extra goblin or two in the lower right part? (I guess that's a goblin or hobbit, doesn't matter, it's pretty ingenious)
By the way.. I like the oriental atmosphere.. and the variety of characters

04-02-2006, 05:36 PM (

I wish this could be the final..hehe....because it seems there's still a lot of work waiting to be done. The black & white look also reminds me of old kurosawa movies like yojimbo and the seven samurai, which I really like. Anyway, tis only a lighting ref. Comments welcome.

04-02-2006, 06:08 PM
Theres a really nice sense of balance and rythm running through this. The characters are posed in a way that I am drawn to the most interesting ones, which are the old guy, the guy with the sword and the one holding the gun next to him. Great stuff all round!!

04-02-2006, 08:20 PM (

After some consideration, I increased the distance between the rifleman and the guy in give them some breathing space it seems. Hopefully, it's better now.

Thanks Alex, I know what you mean with the lower feels a bit empty, but rather than adding more characters, I think I'm just gonna insert some foliage there later. :)

Thanks Adam. I hope you like the new composition as well. :)

04-02-2006, 08:57 PM
Ohh this is just wonderful! I love the composition and the lighting, the shadows on the characters look great.

Inspiring work! :thumbsup:

04-02-2006, 10:09 PM
Fantastic work so far. I really like the idea you've gone with. I love the wide format. :thumbsup:

04-03-2006, 12:52 AM
Great sense of story and drama. Would like to see a larger version.

04-03-2006, 05:09 AM
It looks great! I really like the light and all the details. I think that now looks better with the distance between the rifleman and the guy: more stress heh.
I can't wait to see a close up!

04-04-2006, 01:46 PM
Great composition and character design. I really hope your 'main' character (farthest right) stand out. Did you have any thoughts on how he is going to differ from the other characters eg color palette.

Great work :)

:edt: sorry if you have mentioned this previously, jumping on the band wagon a little late :S

Great work :)

04-04-2006, 02:14 PM
This is really beautiful, Pat (as have been the rest of your color comps.) So of course like everyone else I am waiting anxiously to see what colors you will use. I love all of the characters and poses...

I don't care for the Gollum so much: It feels too much like the Gollum from the movies, not really your own. And it doesn't need to be in there to make the Lord of the Rings connection. And it takes the tension away from the far-right man (and the others) who clearly think they are approaching some threat ahead of them. I enjoy wondering what that threat might be, not in knowing that it's really behind and to the side of them.

But that's neither here nor there, just my opinion. It's still going to be a beautiful piece!


04-04-2006, 03:39 PM
It will be beautiful work!

I like idea):)

04-04-2006, 06:09 PM
Hi Patrick, i like this idea too much the drawing is also perfect, those fighters make me so anxious to see a full serie story for them, ecelent lighting you did, good composition too, overall the work is fantastic.:thumbsup:

04-04-2006, 06:52 PM
Love, love, love this image! But I agree with Mike about the Gollum figure, you can make him a Ninja hunting the group or a peasant hiding from the group?

04-06-2006, 10:20 AM (

putting in color.....I start with areas that I'm sure of what color scheme I wanted, like the trees and BG. As, for the characters, I'm still undecided.

As for Gollum, yes, after hearing Mike and Jose's comments, I thought so too, only that I think I will redesign the character, not leave it out entirely, since I dont think that he is a threat in this picture, more like an addition to the fellowship in secret. I also think that it adds another interest area in the picture, bringing more focus on poor little frodo, which might seem lost without it.

Thanks for all the great comments! :)

04-06-2006, 10:25 AM
ya, looking great man, would love to see some soft beams of light and mist coming through the open slits in the trees. great work so far though =)

04-06-2006, 10:39 AM
Pat I am digging the color pallet dude keep it up, really shaping up, will drop by later!:thumbsup:

04-06-2006, 11:56 AM
Awesome spread man. Lovin the idea too. Colors are fantastic. Characters are memorable. No crits at the moment.

04-06-2006, 03:30 PM
I approve of the colour. Looking great! I love the red of the tree's leaves - Japanese maple, Acer palmatum or Acer dissectum I presume? Beautiful trees. :)

Only suggestion is; the two red leaved trees in the foreground (one in left, one in right-hand corner) should be slightly different colours, not such a similar dark read, maybe one more toward red/orange.

04-06-2006, 05:06 PM
adonihs: sure man, I see what I can do once the image gets closer to finish! :)

beelow: Thanks again for dropping by, beelow, u r such a pal.

ahbeejieh: Thank you, thank you!

Xeophex: hehe, actually I wasnt really thinking about it. I've just been looking at a lot of photos of japanese maples I found on the web, and I would reference the colors of leaves and bark from different trees. But now that you mention it, I guess Acer Palmatum would be the closest, since it is wholly redish/purplish all year round, and dissectum would have a slightly different kind of leaves. Thanks!

04-06-2006, 05:13 PM
Wow.. Nice colors for nature stuff, red and green works great for me. What I especially like, is that the leaves's shadows drop on the characters, it gives such a special mood to the pic. I must say that I would never have that ideea. I just think it's remarkable.

04-10-2006, 05:01 PM (

setting the base color and lighting for the characters and everything else...

04-13-2006, 06:25 PM (

still working on the picture as a whole even though started on refining some areas. will post some close-ups once more details are added. A lot of leaves to paint...

04-13-2006, 06:58 PM
this is soo freaken sweet.. one of my favs .. love your style. colour and compoition is excellent.

04-13-2006, 08:16 PM
I love the canvas that u have chosen, one my favorites too!:D

04-21-2006, 12:24 PM (

Here my lastest update. Even though not much has been added, or at least it doesnt seem like so. Doing the almost mandatory flip right's so easy to get carried away with one tiny area and then realize later that it is not working at all. So currently, I'm restraining myself from doing that and working on it as a whole. As of now, the middle section requires the most attention and that's where I shall spend more time on next.

04-21-2006, 01:07 PM
beautifull updates patrick, the place is so nice i would love to be in.:cool:

04-22-2006, 07:09 PM (

Quite happy with the overall look now and I'm finally comfortable with refining some details, such as the foliage and rock on the bottom left. Can't wait to get to it for the next few days too.

04-22-2006, 07:40 PM
Excellent work, nice story and wonderful application. My only suggestion would maybe have your light be a bit more high key in order to define the form and seperate it from the BG. This may unify your light. Outstanding work Patrick!

04-24-2006, 06:56 PM
Wil, Beelow, Flaminglow, SideAche...Thanks a lot!

I'm also sorry that I sometimes forget to respond to all the kind comments that I have received.

And SideAche....thanks for the great suggestion, I will try my best. I said my best because I know that I have a tendency to reduce contrast as I paint, I can't explain why, it's just difficult for me to use very high key colors sometimes. But your suggestion was a great reminder, so thanks again!

04-24-2006, 06:58 PM (

Not yet finished, just a mini update for the bottom left area.

04-24-2006, 07:01 PM
I can't believe I didn't see this thread before. I love it! :applause: Great colors, composition and concept. :applause:

The clippy :love: .

04-24-2006, 09:13 PM
ur starting to get into details, nice! Waiting to see more of ur progress!:thumbsup:

04-26-2006, 08:46 AM (

Moving on to the next area for detailing...that is Gandalf and Sam and the buffalo, even though the last is not complete. This way, I won't overdo any one area. Once the entire image has a uniform amount of details, I will then finish it with a final step, going from left to right as usual. I also find that posting updates has enabled me to chart my progress better and it's easier to spot all the places that need to be addressed in a cropped image. But painting at 100% zoom really is tiring, given its hi-resolution. I just realized that I'm not as good a detailer as some of the other guys here. Let's see how much more I can add by the end of the day....and I will post another update.

04-26-2006, 11:14 AM
i love your style. The characters are great. i also love the colors. The way you've painted the red leaves is beutiful. good luck with this.

04-26-2006, 04:00 PM
Great pic, with very nice anbiance, good job, i like this unique style

04-26-2006, 09:05 PM
id love to see this made into a film. I just watched Seven Samurai the other day (because u mentioned it) and its such a great film. This is a wonderful painting and id kill to have it as a poster on my wall in my apt. awesome man, i love the Gandalf guy haha! =)

04-27-2006, 03:18 AM
Hi there. I've come to your thread too late! When I look at your painting, I was thinking "What is Gandalf doing in China?!!!" :LOL I think you should give the wizard guy a proper chinese costume instead because you have given the 'hobbits' a Chinese makeover too, so why not Gandalf as well? Maybe some chinese dragon motifs on his robes for starters?

Oh, I just spotted a Chinese Gollum.

The light rays penetrating through the forest canopy is a little too bold and too obviously like a brush stroke. I don't know if that is your actual intention.

Nice homage to LOTR! :D

04-27-2006, 06:52 AM
Hi! The atmosphere turned out very mysterious. The red color of leaves
increases a sense of insecurity. Very good work! Good luck! :)

04-27-2006, 02:17 PM
Hey, Pat, it's looking really nice. All the details are coming along really well, as of course we all knew they would. I have no constructive criticism to add. Nor even requests, 'though I do like Jeromoo's idea of dragon motifs on Gandalf's clothes. Not that I don't think he fits the scene enough already, he's fine. But the dragons are a neat idea too. But other than that, all I can say is man, your detailing is looking fantastic! :)


04-27-2006, 02:39 PM
What a great piece of work, the composition and angles and use of light are all very impressive. I've read this thread from sstart to finish and have really enjoyed the piece coming together. I'm still a newbie when it comes to digital painting and this is the kind of thing that inspires me to get better!
Also, i had no idea that you could get such a painterly look with photoshop, any tips?

04-27-2006, 08:27 PM
Paperclip, beelow, domclubb, MDN67, adonihs, jeromoo, Atris, walrus, Vitreous, thank you all for your invaluable comments, encouragement and kind words. :)

Paperclip: Thank you for your appearance....I do really love your avatar and would just love to give him a hug.

beelow: Again, thanks for dropping by, details is all I will focus on now...

domclubb: Thank you very much!

MDN67: Thank you too very much!

adonihs: I was energized by your words and started painting til 4am into the night because of it. Not so much because of praise (thank you for that too!) but the fact u saw 7 seven because I mentioned it. Yes yes it's such as awesome film and I'm so glad that I brought some attention to it.

jeromoo: yes, now that you mention it...his attire does resemble very much the original doesnt it? Actually, I was going for a sort of Oriental priest/monk look and naturally picked the colors that I could remember Gandalf most by. As for the chinese dragons I really dont know if it suits the monk style....but thanks, I will experiment with it.

Atris:Thank you Atris...I'm glad you got that feeling from it, even though honestly, I didnt plan it, hehe.

walrus: No requests? I lose the chance of painting them the size of a few pixels, ahahaha....Thanks man.

Vitreous: Thank you. Your words inspire me to want to get better too! :) As for tips, I'm using painter and not photoshop so I dont know if they apply. But for this image, the brushes I use mostly are Oils Wet Brush and Acrylic Bristle...and I normally paint at 80% to full opacity (pen pressure dont matter much with these brushes) at first and then 30-40% for some details and blending afterwards. Sometimes I also use Oils feathering brush for that purpose. Best way I find however, is still to experiment and settle with brushes that most suits your style of painting. Good Luck!

04-27-2006, 08:35 PM (

My orginal plan of working from left to right didnt really work out, since I got bored very quickly just working on one area. Good thing about digital need to mix paints and you can move around the canvas at will, ha! At this point, I think good old strider deserves some more detailing and attention...

04-27-2006, 09:02 PM
excellent job !! very impatient to see it finished.

04-27-2006, 09:16 PM
im glad you got inspired because you inspired me, watch an inspirational film! WHEW lol..but ya man, the film rocked, keep up the great work. this is just a tiny suggestion, but how about some white birds near the waterfall behind our lead? i think thatd make it really peaceful looking, kind of a calm before the storm feel. but this is awesome, such a unique style, again, id love to see this as a friend thinks the image is awesome too (we talk about films that wed want to do together) and he even felt inspired. good work bro.

04-27-2006, 10:03 PM
Keep it going Patrick! Very nice atmosphere you have created. You are inspiring me to go back to Painter.. ahhhh

04-29-2006, 02:41 AM
Nice dynamic image Patrick! Really enjoy the a suggestion it might be worthwhile to varry the leaves on your tree a bit, changing the spacing, curling, and widths of their pointed edges? May look more organic or perhaps you are going for a stylized look?

Good luck!

04-29-2006, 08:38 AM
The lighting promised to be very effective....nice contrasts.

04-29-2006, 10:52 AM
Authentic: Thank you so much. So am I!

adonihs: Thanks again, I wish you and your friend the best! And great suggestion with the birds...I will add them in the end, and maybe some insects too. :)

jihei: Thank you very much!

oceanbluesky: Thank you and good point about the leaves. I will do what I can, but I can only leave it for the end, since my personal deadline (May 5th) is drawing near, and those leaves are too much. I guess I was careless and my mentality while painting them was "just get it done", haha.

webwings: Thank you, I'm glad you like the lighting, because sometimes I afraid that it may cause the image to be too dark.

04-29-2006, 10:54 AM (

Managed to add some details to this part of the image....but still more to go...

04-29-2006, 10:58 AM
Great pic the multitude of color is great, i like it good job

04-29-2006, 01:37 PM
wow !

amazing. some more details to the character, background, bottom of the pic. and it will look perfect.

04-29-2006, 06:46 PM
nice... :applause: as viewer I get this feeling he is showing me to be qiuet... like I´m sneaking around in that wood...

04-30-2006, 06:54 PM (

added some more plants to the bottom left...but still needs to tweaking for its lighting. Bg details are mostly done and will proceed to more character details and environent tweaks.

04-30-2006, 07:11 PM
looks so amazing man! im absolutely in love with this picture, finish it! now! =o

04-30-2006, 08:00 PM (

Just when I thought I can lay back for a while, I saw this terrible mistake, and that's the spacing between the rifleman and the tall samurai! There's no way they could stand so close and fit behind the huge trunk! So,I brought rifleman forward and also did a bunch of things. Of course it all looks weird now with the white border around him, but hopefully, it will make the error less noticeable later.

04-30-2006, 08:08 PM
Thanks a bunch adonihs! I hope you had a great weekend with your gf!

And dont worry, I will finish it by friday, guaranteed! :)

05-02-2006, 06:25 PM (

Just an update for the corrected Rifleman...more later.

05-02-2006, 06:29 PM
MDN67, warpy, makaron, adohnis.....thank you all very much for dropping in! :)

05-02-2006, 09:51 PM
your pic is so wow!

nice update.
i don't know if your need any advices for your dwarf ;) , but it will be a pleasure to exchange my knownledge.

i'm so impatient to see your final image...
great job!

05-02-2006, 10:06 PM
wow that's realy impressive. fantastic work that's all :bowdown:

05-03-2006, 05:04 PM
I like it. Colors are really warm and well balanced :thumbsup:

05-03-2006, 09:25 PM
Great illustration. Such cool characters. My only problem, is that maybe they blend too well with the scenery? Have trouble spotting the characters right away. Dunno what would help though. Maybe it's the highlights that confuses me. highlights seem pretty pale on all objects, which maybe is why it's hard(well not really hard, but..) to seperate the different elements? dunno

Apart from that, top notch.

05-04-2006, 11:18 AM
Pat-Piper, so great coloring, the waterfalls is not as good as the others.:)

05-04-2006, 12:29 PM
Terrific details!! This thread has been a treasure since the beginning!

05-04-2006, 01:35 PM
Pat - Looking good! I like the recent changes with the rifleman, and Aragorn has been looking great, too. Two things to point out, don't think they've been mentioned, but apologies if they have and I missed them:

Should the samurai have ablade to do with theat sword handle he's holding?

And secondly, Aragorn's hand: The positioning looks like we're viewing it head-on, but that angle doesn't match the position of his arm, stretched behind him. Wouldn't we see more of a side view of his hand? I think you could change it to something liek a 3/4 view and have it read as more anatomically correct and still have it clear what he's doing with that hand... Not that it isn't clear now, so you could just leave it, too.

Anyhow, just a few small observations, I still really like what you're doing!
Have fun with the last few bits...


05-04-2006, 04:24 PM (

one last night to finish image...unfortunately, I still see many areas that need polish. Not much I can do now but make some final adjustments and minor details. So whatever the result, I will post the final image tomorrow. :)

05-04-2006, 04:30 PM
Alouette, fouiny, CryingHorn, otre, Flaminglow, Jose-Pardo, Walrus! Thank you all for the wonderful replies and invaluable comments. Regrettably, I will have to submit soon and is unable to address many of the comments being pointed out. But you have my gratitude for the great support and appreciation!! :)

Sorry, I will post more personal replies once I get the time too.

05-05-2006, 04:59 AM
Oh such beautiful subtle colors Patrick! This is by far one of my favorites. Hope you do fantastically well in the competition. Love the light playing off the hat of the old man. Best of luck!

05-05-2006, 11:29 AM
I love ur style, Pat, ur approach to this entry has been awesome, a real eye feast! Keep it up! NOt much more to do with the piece, and getting close to the home-stretch!:thumbsup:

05-05-2006, 12:03 PM
Love you'r entry! Really amazing colors, and you'r designs are very strong. Nothing to critique on, great job man! :thumbsup:

05-05-2006, 05:45 PM (

FInal Image!

Story: This image is adapted from J.R.R.Tolkien´s ''Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship''. The little green goblins which are replacements for the hobbits are known as kappa, and taken from Japanese mythology and folktales. Although the depiction does not exist in the story, I thought it suits the mood of a journey with focus on the characters, rather than rendering them against an epic background which would mean drawing them really small. With this, I also wanted to create a sense of suspense and introduce the personality of each character with their reaction to a possible encounter with an unknown enemy.

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Front Section...

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...back section.

05-05-2006, 06:02 PM
this is it... congratulations man! Very cool ideea regarding the fellowship, beautiful oriental atmosphere, the different types of characters and their features, colors are well chosen, good contrast between shadows and lighting, very well done foliage, and details are lovely.

This is one of my favs, and I think it really deserves something. Love it... Cheers

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05-05-2006, 07:54 PM
That's it guys....I have just uploaded the final .tif, so I guess my journey ends here. But my new journey begins shortly as I have a plane to catch. I will be away for more than a month, and in that time, I wish you all the best of luck in the contest and the final results. Also, thank you all very much for being here, it was a real blast!

As for the story of the final image, I think the pictures speaks for itself and we already know it. (Adaptation of Lord of the Rings) However, I would be real happy if anyone can come up with japanese names for these characters. I may continue to work on it when I come back too, adding the final embellishents that time didnt allow me.

Good luck and adios!!

05-05-2006, 08:44 PM (

haahaa....corrected her feet....dammit! I promise this will be the last. I'm really cutting it too close. :)

05-08-2006, 07:09 AM
Nice work dude! Good luck buddy!:thumbsup:

05-08-2006, 01:16 PM
Congratulations on finishing and good luck with the judging! You've produced a very cool image...wish I'd hung around here more!

05-08-2006, 10:38 PM
Congrats Pat-Piper, you realised a great picture, I really like your 'simple' painting touch ( by saying 'simple' I use it to describe the simplicity of pure color areas you paint, but I know that to find the right color at the right place with a simple aspect as you did ask a best knowledge than to paint all smooth with gradient everywhere ). Your painting is a great one, and I hope you will have a price for this good job.

05-08-2006, 11:49 PM
Congrats, Pat, and have a great vacation! Maybe there will even be a prize waiting for you when you get home. :) Have a great time!


05-09-2006, 05:38 AM
have a nice vacation and good luck for the challenge

05-09-2006, 06:55 AM
stunning stuff man!

you make we want to start another painting right now. i think i found my next dual screen desktop for work. :):):)

good luck,

05-23-2006, 09:28 AM
Ah, finally I´m able to find internet access and some free time! :)

Beelow, paperclip, Deevad, walrus, iamawizard, anzibon, anarki3000, thank you all very much. I wish I have the time to visit your threads individually and see the latest updates and finished pieces, but I promise to do so once I get home. So best of luck to all of you in the final judging!! See u all later!

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FInal Image!

Story: This image is adapted from J.R.R.Tolkien´s ''Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship''. The little green goblins which are replacements for the hobbits are known as kappa, and taken from Japanese mythology and folktales. Although the depiction does not exist in the story, I thought it suits the mood of a journey with focus on the characters, rather than rendering them against an epic background which would mean drawing them really small. With this, I also wanted to create a sense of suspense and introduce the personality of each character by their reactions when faced with a possible encounter with an unknown enemy.

close-ups are on this page:

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