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02 February 2006, 01:03 PM
Wil Hallett is entered in the "The Journey Begins Challenge" update: View Challenge Page (

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02 February 2006, 01:28 PM
Just wanted to stop by and wish you luck!

02 February 2006, 01:30 PM
Just wanted to say good luck and I hope you finish!

02 February 2006, 01:33 PM
goodluck wil~have fun and enjoy the challenge:thumbsup:

02 February 2006, 01:37 PM
hey yo,it will be great if she(linda) enter.did'n see her on judge panel.:deal:

anyway waiting to see ur update.good luck mate.:buttrock:

02 February 2006, 01:44 PM
Best of luck to you W!L! :) Looking forward to seeing some sketches.

02 February 2006, 01:44 PM
Hey W!L, Good luck buddy!:thumbsup:

02 February 2006, 01:45 PM
hey look who showed up, long time no see, have fun dude


02 February 2006, 01:56 PM
thankee everyone!,.. jus realised will probn hit the 1000 posts mark this challenge.. ! there is one journy complete! wahoo!

02 February 2006, 03:57 PM
Best of luck to ya W!L...!
Hope your not to busy with those other concept's(.org) :thumbsup:

02 February 2006, 04:39 PM
Good to see you back again, Wil! Hope you finish it this time... just don't change carts in the middle of the stream, or however that saying goes. Nail something and run with it! :)


02 February 2006, 05:57 PM (

hi all.. 1st concept. thats a made up creature about to journey into the wood..

15 min photoshop sketch. colour confuses me i find at these early stages..

02 February 2006, 06:01 PM
I wish a good luck and lots of creative energy to all of my buddies from previous challenges :D Dont be mad coz I'll post the same first reply to all of u, but wishes r sincere.. I just wanna to sign up to ur thread. Once again best of luck!

02 February 2006, 06:17 PM (

concept 2.

02 February 2006, 07:27 PM (

journey migrating burning city

02 February 2006, 07:37 PM
Hey W!L!
looking good.. what's happening on your second sketch?

02 February 2006, 07:54 PM
hey mike,.... it's some guy leaping off a cliff.. he got wings like icarus... just churniong out the crap :banghead:

02 February 2006, 08:04 PM
Hey oop Wil! All the best! Go Yorkshire!

02 February 2006, 08:17 PM (

kids runnign away from parents? anyhows think i be done for the night... see ya all

03 March 2006, 05:38 AM
about to go to work but ust cam up with idea so am noting it down i dont forget... guy leaving hours. skilloutte in door.... photo or otehr meangful stuff on table... wide world outside.... western maybe ....

03 March 2006, 11:16 AM
good luck and have fun mate :)

03 March 2006, 04:26 PM
Good luck on this challenge :)

03 March 2006, 04:35 PM
hi wil! great to see you here again! :bounce: best luck! have fun!

03 March 2006, 08:41 PM (

hi little moster awakening by a stream... doesnt know what it is or what it is supposed to do.... journy begins

03 March 2006, 08:46 PM (


concept 5 bought me back to an old charac ter sketch i found.. a little creature called pik that i designed for a childrens book i was working on... a it turns out he is now the star of a my childrends novel i am slowly writing (j k rowling bring it on) and i think i might do a painting of pik and his uncle setting off on a journy.. anyway i scanned in the sketch and painted over it to get inspired.. a few proper sketchs to come... maybe!

03 March 2006, 10:14 PM
Nice design and color pallette!
All the best with this !!

03 March 2006, 10:16 PM
hello wil..nice to see you again :bounce: good luck..let the ideas flow

03 March 2006, 10:17 PM
nice ur brush and character.:bounce: :thumbsup: :bounce:

03 March 2006, 10:35 PM
Heh heh! Cool character Wil!

03 March 2006, 11:15 PM
Nice to see you again mate. Really good start. I'm liking the new design for the character. keep it up. i'll be watching the progress.

goodluck and have fun

03 March 2006, 01:06 PM
hi all.. athnks for the love and all that.

it sucks.. just when i am getting into something i come down with the flu.. feeling quite groggy right now... and i wish i did not have to work so i could spend all day on this.... anyways hopefully do something tonight depending on how well the medicine be working..... laters!

03 March 2006, 04:02 PM
hey thanks alot for the comment. just wanted to stop by and show appreciation for your work :) but nothing i can really say right now throw some crits your way later if you would like. :scream:

03 March 2006, 06:02 PM
you'd better come back and crit me good and proper son.. nah think i am too tired and ill to even keep flicking through all these awasome artworks let alone update my entry.. gonna grab a mug of cup o soup and watch a movie...

03 March 2006, 06:09 PM
That put a happy touch on my mug...

Looking very good!

03 March 2006, 06:25 PM
I think cute character is good for this challenge ,thats mean haha I like yours
dog character is so cute

03 March 2006, 08:31 PM
Hi W!L

good to see you off to a good start.
I like your character design - well drawn nice technique


03 March 2006, 08:49 PM
aww.. what a charming fellow he looks like, your Pik... :thumbsup:

and hope you soon is better from the flu... :)

03 March 2006, 02:09 PM
looking good! keen to see how it goes.

"i love these quiet little moments before the storm"

03 March 2006, 09:44 PM
hiyaaa W!L so glad to see you,wellcome my friend and have fun!! cheers!

i love the sketches, and the character design is really good. hope to see more soon!:D

03 March 2006, 10:59 PM
Go go W!L! Good luck! :bounce:

Cheers, :)


03 March 2006, 11:46 AM (


this is a guy on his first day learning guitar.. his journey begins as he one day tries to emulate a master.

03 March 2006, 12:02 PM
hey good one, i had a similar idea couple of days back, never got around sketching
it tho. It had a small boy in school uniform lookin thru a music shop window at this
cool guitar on show on the other side . His nose would be touching the window, his
hands would be on the sides of his face so he could see better inside and the glass
would be all steamed up from his breath. Young Angus, u know.. :D


03 March 2006, 12:11 PM
lol.. yeah tahnks squib..

you can still do yours.... i think although i like this i am more attracted to do another idea i have.. maybe more cliche but more fun!

03 March 2006, 12:14 PM
Great ideas so far dude, keep up the good job!!

03 March 2006, 12:26 PM
you can still do yours.... i think although i like this i am more attracted to do another idea i have.. maybe more cliche but more fun!

yea u do what u like, and no i just mentioned that idea, i'm too busy with other, newer
concepts, hehe


03 March 2006, 12:48 PM
nice idea wil!!:D cant wait for more

03 March 2006, 04:55 PM
Interesting concept. Do you have any thougts fo who the Guitar hero will be? Personally I would try to do like someone for the 60s or 70s. Like Peter Frampton or someone.

03 March 2006, 06:10 PM
bwaaaoww bwah bwah bwha bwaaaow

star searcher i am not doing that idea now but i would have done stevie ray vaughn probably

03 March 2006, 06:48 PM
Im curious and asking, whats next then?

03 March 2006, 09:33 PM
I like the idea mate. Just a little suggestion, if you're going to go with this idea, it would be cool to see him struggling a bit while playing the guitar, music papers scattered all over the floor, and maybe sitting him down right next to a window to show a backdrop of the outside world. I dont know, just thinking out loud here :argh:

keep it up. You got some neat ideas going on here.

03 March 2006, 05:31 PM (

ok.. so i am thinking of a tribe of guiys like this one going of to war.... ths pic to get me inspired

03 March 2006, 06:34 PM
I don't get it...
Is he going to have a guitar?



03 March 2006, 07:52 PM
I don't get it...
Is he going to have a guitar?



Haha I think you won't get rid of guitarman that easy :)

I like the last one better though, I can see a whole tribe of them on the edge of a forrest or something, ready for war. Nice sketch.

03 March 2006, 07:53 PM you changed idea again? or not? nice sketch!!:D

03 March 2006, 08:01 AM
walrus- lol.. no.. new idea.
yoitisi- thanks i like it better too.. not completly sure on compositio yet butthanks for suggestion
calisto- not really changed ot different idea.. you know the big face of pik chracter.. well am making a whole tribe of them basically and getting them to go to war....

03 March 2006, 08:44 AM
sup wil,just got to ur thread,i'm basically going through the stage of replying to everyone that has replied to my thread,its only right! nice stuff so far an good luck.

03 March 2006, 08:49 AM
this character is one of my favorites in this challenge...

so I would love to see a whole bunch of them :applause:

03 March 2006, 01:33 PM (

this is composition i am thinking at mo.. father on beast is settingoff with teh army while little pik is eitehr giving him his sword or recieving a family heirloom... anyhow next i working on developing chracters and what emotions they are feeling then line art

03 March 2006, 01:47 PM
i am probably just a sucker for the story of Icarus, but I liked your second concept. It is one of the more dynamic of the images that you have produced so far.
its great that you are coming up with so many concepts, i am still running with my first concept right now..

03 March 2006, 10:48 PM
NOOB!- cheers mate..good luck
makaron- wow thanks for thAT

FalseEye- yeah not a bad idea but i think i am sticvking with this one..

03 March 2006, 11:04 PM
Maybe it will look even better if you dropped the perspective to that of Pik instead of looking at it from above. A bit like looking up at his father like Pik would do. I think it would add more drama to the whole scene.

I'll be looking foreward to the next update :)

03 March 2006, 11:11 PM
yo will you painter user good idea bad angle..drop the perspective down and make him look up to his father taking the sword his father looks to the distance cause that is where he must go..epic stuff man

03 March 2006, 01:04 AM
Well, I actually like the angle!
It's high enough that you get to take in more of the landscape, which makes the piece cover the journey, not just the relationship between the two characters (but without sacrificing that either.)

The biggest thing you're going to have to watch out for is how tall a full-grown adult (even if it's an adult dwarf) is when mounted on a steed compared to a small child. Here you've stunted the mount's legs, but it's a rough sketch. It's something you'll have deal with at some point... I know, I've been having that problem in my piece! :D What if the mother was holding up the boy to the father? While the father is handing down to the son... a guitar! (okay, forget the guitar, but the motehr part is a serious suggestion.) Good luck, Wil!


03 March 2006, 08:09 AM
wow! good advice here peeps!

yoitisi- i waas thinking this too and will have to go away and drop the perspective.. dont want to start painting and then realise it could have been done better.

nebezial- ditto.. good advice.. except and make a note.. I AM NOT A PAINTER USER. i sure u thought i was in master and servant to. cant get to grips with painter at all.. photoshop forever!

walrus - yeah i wanted to see the landscape and rest of the army cos in the brief it mentions that. will go away and do a few more comps. Also its not a horse. it will be a fantasy beast he is on... basically this is a very boring sketch of what is to come (i hope).

03 March 2006, 08:30 AM
I really like this latest concept, the composition works really well. :thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 11:01 AM (

ok.. so this is first perspective i was thinking.. does it work well. doing some more now

ps.. my avatar is his father

03 March 2006, 11:23 AM (

second perspective.. feedbakc would be apprecited as to which one prefer

03 March 2006, 11:27 AM
nr 2 has my vote. the father seems more impressive and a bit scary.. shows that Pik really takes his journey serious...

03 March 2006, 12:59 PM (

ok.. i think i am going to go something like this... jsut feels right. will do a few more of the overall persepctive

03 March 2006, 01:04 PM
dat ratbird looks cool , attitude


03 March 2006, 01:44 PM (

another way.. landscape.. close view

03 March 2006, 01:56 PM (

Hey there Wil! Sorry I've not dropped in for a while, was rather ill and stressed this last week, though am better now so need to get back up to speed on all my threads :D

I really like this composition. The way it drops down onto the child is nice and it gives you the opportunity to show where he's going in the distance - "epic landscape" quota opportunity there ;)! The colours are very nice, maybe the further out you go the more lively you could make them - at the moment the muddy, murky colours match the boys feelings very well IMHO.

Great stuff :thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 02:07 PM (

whihc one.. its the same except number 2 has he boy and father closer

03 March 2006, 02:16 PM
squibbit - glad you noticed it mate

elsie - o no... lol had dismissed that when someone said i should do it looking up from childs point of view.. but i do kinda like it... got too many ideas of how it should look... i think i have settled with the last one... just got to choose between 1 and 2... :banghead:

03 March 2006, 02:22 PM
Ah, no worries, the last ones are good too :thumbsup: I say no. 2 then, as its a little more focused.

03 March 2006, 02:36 PM (

line art.. gone with this for now.. might change when painting

03 March 2006, 08:49 PM (

colouring wip. just started and placing clours. and values. etc... goign alright? anything wrong? doesnt look right?

03 March 2006, 08:53 PM (

detail so far lots to do

03 March 2006, 08:58 PM
here we go again, haha... have to put a new character on my favouritelist :p

this little pink bird is a tough one, talking a bath in front of that beast...

03 March 2006, 09:03 PM
looking impressive!

03 March 2006, 09:04 PM
hell yeah now ur trippin!:thumbsup: hehe much better and if oonlyy you could finish it

03 March 2006, 09:07 PM
ok i will crit mysefl.. i think it looks way too dull and dark at present you all agree.?

03 March 2006, 09:14 PM
hey i feed on light hell yeah it needs a dramatic light :bounce:

03 March 2006, 10:14 PM
no comment..just : :drool::drool:

03 March 2006, 10:31 PM
nice update!! yeah i agree with nebz...more light-shadow!!:D looks great!

03 March 2006, 11:21 PM
yep I too agree on the lighting. And maybe it would look good to turn the creature his father is on a bit more away from Pik so his father has to twist his body a bit to look at him, so it looks like his father is really at the point of riding away with the rest of his group.

Also a little thing about the bird: look at how ravens (or crows) approach a bigger creature. I think it shouldn't have its wings streched out. Folded in would probable look better. To give him more attitude you could also let the tail feathers stand straight up, instead of with a soft arc. and the head looks a little bit weird now, I think the eyes are set to close to the neck.

Anyway, just sharing my thoughts, hope you don't mind :)

03 March 2006, 05:35 AM
calisto- thanks, will do

OrO- cheers mate!

yoitisi- great crits mate... its only like just over an hour painting into it so no probs to redo anything.. hell it might even end up looking nothing like this by time it done.... brilliant crit on the bird... i guess i should have studied more. will go away and get some refs. and now you mention it eye does look a bit wierd but i am making the bird up with no refs as it is fantasy.. will play with body language.. also in one of my earlier compositions i did his father slightly twisted and i liked that so will see what that looks like to.... keep em coming.

NOOB!- glad you like it

makaron- cheers mate. yeah he is

03 March 2006, 08:41 PM (

bitmore colouring.. added banner on hut and refined that.took away watch tower as i think looks better compotion wise... started on father and a bit on beast.

03 March 2006, 08:51 PM
wow, I'm really liking this. I'm glad that you brightened it up, I think that everything is much more noticeable now.

03 March 2006, 08:59 PM
chers mate.. yeah i plan on saturating it alot more and brightening it up.. mor i paint the more uninspired i am by it for soem reson.. i think i might have to do another composition and see whta i like....

03 March 2006, 09:09 PM
waaaaa this is the one!! i love this one!! its sooo cute!! great work mate!!:D

03 March 2006, 09:34 PM
this is getting better and better, I'm glad you didn't steal my concept lolol

keep going.

p.s- what is that little creature with more detail? it's a bird?

03 March 2006, 03:40 AM
your latest sketch is great and answer the challenge theme very well ! good luck mate!

03 March 2006, 04:25 AM
Ur painting has improve W!L, I will keep an eye on this thread!:thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 05:50 AM
calisto- much appreciated. thankee

budji- yeah. still wish i ahd stole yours though... cheers for stopping by! ps. taht is a bird i made up. no ref. fantasy.

monsitj - latest sketch!? ahhhh!:eek: its in colouring wip phase so hope it doesnt look like a concpt. i am the king of fretting about my work so dont make me paranoid.

beelow - glad you think so... i do to! lol.

03 March 2006, 09:06 PM (

secion of painting.. started on father and son.. been staring at it so much and not using any refernece for anthing since i started so cant tell if anything is lookign wierd.. please crit. on anything

03 March 2006, 03:30 AM
Nice, looking good so far mate. Saturations would definately help the other all colour comp. Oh and might i suggest that maybe adding a few houses receading at the far end (mostly on the left side area). Trust me, it will push the depth more.
Other than that, those are definately some interesting character designs. Cant wait to see more mate.

cheers :thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 10:34 PM
yeah there is going to e alot more... this is usta section anyways... gonna have a brak for a few days i think

03 March 2006, 01:47 AM
hey man,the facial expression gettin richer,haha simply I am expecting to see more
keep it up my friend

03 March 2006, 05:27 PM
Woww very nice begining!!
nice to see you here too W!L!

see ya buddy i'll check your works

03 March 2006, 05:32 PM
Awsome this looks great! I love the expressions. Great work! :thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 05:33 PM
nice update wil.i love your brush a lot.keep going.:thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 07:26 PM
wont do individual thing as all you all need is for me to say a great big thanks for the love:thumbsup:

however i am not liking it at present.. i have painted quite a bit more on the father but more i do the more i think the whole thing could be better... during a nap i had a vision of it being dusk... the band of warriors setting off, lamps on there beasts.. nice lighting- and perahaps a different composition entirely so might mess around for a bit and see if that will look good. at any rate i can the have something to compare this one to.

03 March 2006, 08:10 PM
hehe i like it so far ... they look cool, like a mix between dwarf & troll from wow :D :D

03 March 2006, 10:54 PM
Nice colour and form, looking forward to seeing more

03 March 2006, 07:17 PM
wow, loving the colours and characters. :thumbsup:

just a little crit thou, hope you don't mind... is that i don't really know about the angle which the camera is placed, cos it's alittle bland and straightforward to me personally. maybe a bug's view from the ground looking up will have a more dramatic effect....

or that the bird could be placed nearer between the father and son, with the similar 'looking up' angle... thus having the blurred bird in the foreground, father and son in the mid, and landscape in the background...

sorry about blabbering so much... better stop now... hehe.
hope you'll get out of your artist block soon

cheers :buttrock::buttrock::buttrock:

03 March 2006, 07:33 PM
Good goin , Wil :thumbsup:


03 March 2006, 07:36 PM
Artists Block?

Where do sign up?

Are there good facilities?

Whats the rent like?

03 March 2006, 07:39 PM
You've used a wide range of colours and yet they work together quite well. Looking forward to seeing how this develops.

03 March 2006, 09:57 PM
Like the progress you make during the proces :)

A few things (again :) ) though: Looking at your main character (Pik) en profile is not the best option here I think. I would like to see more of his face and expression. I could work this way but I think its easier showing more of his face. Also, his father is not really looking at him right now I think (more like looking over his head to me). And you used almost the same tones and colors on the fore- and background, I think you would create more depth by using different values, tones whatevah. Play around I'd say :)

Hope it helps a bit.

03 March 2006, 10:18 PM (

little more. mainly son's face.

03 March 2006, 10:35 PM
Vahn- that sure is cool.. had no real thought in mind.. just started painting.

FLCL- here is more. ty!

sloth79- thanks for the crit... i dont think you realise that this is just a section of the image though.. go back a few pages. and i dont mind crits at all i want them sir.

Squibbit- thanks for stopping by

Avatarist- its a dank hole, invested with foul beasties and no windows.

BaronImpossible- thanks. not sure if you really saying is calm down on the colours!. i htink i got too much going on.

yoitisi- yes you are right. same concerns myself about faces and tones.. will work on it.

i am putting this to the side for a few days as i have another idea entirley which takes my fancy so i wil do a detailed concept and show you my new idea.... i know, i know.. i never fin anything.... !

03 March 2006, 06:11 AM
nice progress mate! maybe you can add more lighting to over all image ! it's just start ! wait for more man!

03 March 2006, 09:32 PM
Nice going W!L I really like your style. You are showing a lot of good progress and I can't wait to see more, but maybe the new concept will be even better.

I hope you go back and finish up your Sequential Art piece on CA once your done, I think you were headed to a win there.

03 March 2006, 04:27 AM
absolutely awesome characterdesign, great painterly feel, wil, this is goin to be awesome! Keep up the great work mate! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 01:37 PM
great work mate!!keep it up!!:D

03 March 2006, 07:55 PM
Great sketch doode !!! keep it this way ! Good luck ! I'll keep an eye on ya !:scream:

03 March 2006, 11:15 AM
awesome character design, keep it up :))))

03 March 2006, 01:45 PM
it looks a little rushed but with stylish way make more details so we can critique deeply this is for now looks good.

03 March 2006, 04:11 PM
monsitj- thanks mate... am starting again so will work on it better this time

Sundance5000- cheers!. dont think i will fin the CA sequesntial... too busy with otehr stuff right now... not just this

the1st_angel- glad you think so

calisto- cheers luv!

-KiD-- you do that mate.. thankee

ppook- thnaks

FlaminGlow- thats cos it is rushed.. not much time in it yet.. anyhow its all changing.. but only slightly.

later! update soon!

PS. ou know the new cg portfolio thing.. well if i have to change my username if i want to log in as it only accepts alha numeric chracters and i have an exclemation mark in mine... o well.... guess i will be called something entirley differwent soon and no one will know who i am.... someone already had wil with an i.

03 March 2006, 11:57 AM
Didin't saw this before. COngratulations that's a beautiful work.

03 March 2006, 01:22 PM (

LINE ART REVISITED.... gone back a step as not happy... i have a few more ideas but will prob stick with this... nothing worth showing for tghe other concepts in mind

03 March 2006, 02:40 PM (

just putting all colur in place and setting mood... want it to feel more forboding as the father goes of to war, rather than a pituresque scene like before.

03 March 2006, 04:01 AM
interesting how you decided to expand the image... i was actually doing the same thing... trying to find the right distance from the camera so that the character's face can be visible enough and at the same time having the background work with the rest of the image. :) :bounce:

03 March 2006, 10:48 AM
nice going wil ... the comp is very good now :thumbsup:
just do something with the bird .. it looks like it was left on the ground by squibbits bunny :D

03 March 2006, 11:54 AM
hi wil,
great scene is coming here! :thumbsup:
im following your thead.

03 March 2006, 02:12 PM
Looks good! I will wait for your wips.:thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 04:59 PM
i love this new perspective that you chose, feels more epic, and scary to go on the journey, great pick

03 March 2006, 05:36 PM
why the radical change? the new compo loks great but i sort of liked your former designs very much, the piece ad something intimate I miss a bit now.
never the less keep it up mate looking forward to where this leads you :)

03 March 2006, 09:41 PM
Hmm I can't help but liking the other sketch better. This is maybe a bit too far off of the main characters, as the1st_angel said, it's losing a bit of the intimate feeling.

03 March 2006, 10:12 PM
luv the color pallette you've got goin' on here -- rich and emotive. looking forward to seeing this piece as it evolves...

03 March 2006, 10:21 PM
I like the color pallete that ur working with right, now! U still have a good 60 days to figure what u are gonna go with dude, don't linger too much though, u will stagnant, and get stuck! U don't want that to happen, good luck with what u go with dude! I will be dropping by!:thumbsup:

03 March 2006, 07:34 AM
ahhh! why does everyone think that the detail pic was the final composition? go to page six of my thread and you will see the original composition of my first one. It's zoomed out like this one... i was just showing detailing of father and son so didnt bother showing rest. anyway..

Slav- like i just said.. i ahvent expanded the image.. its just a different comp..

Vahn- thnaks.. dont get the reference to squibbits bunny but I will have to go check out his thead.

vader- glad to hear it.

FIDUCIOSE- thanks.. dnt know when i will be able to work on it as i have a fever.

adonihs- thats what i ws going for!

the1st_angel- as i siadgo to page 6 and you will see the original one is zoomed out and not close up.. that was just a detil pic.

yoitisi- the original one was far off the chracters .. as you csan see on page 6 of my thread.

jevinart- thanks mate

beelow- chhers.. good advice

right now i ahve a really bad fever and a chesty cough that feels like it is goign to rip my chest open. so not feeling up to painting... but thanks for the support and hopefully i want be out of order too long

03 March 2006, 10:20 AM (

new concept.. a girl escaping from a dungieon or somthing... white light from the door in the cieling is the beginign oif her jouney to freedom but soemthin gin the shadfows stands in her way... i quite like this.. might develope it

03 March 2006, 02:17 AM
the latest is indeed pretty cool,could play around with different angles and also the elements in the scene.the previous concept looks great either.looking forward to see more of ur updates wil:D

04 April 2006, 06:35 PM (

hello.. well after much messing about i decided to do a much neater detailed line art. i think this will help me from getting so lost and depressed. eventually the lines will disapear but experimenting with random pics of doing detailed line art first and then painting seems to feel more comfortable for me and produce a better results... i think i ran head long into this to fast but now i am happy and hopefully the painting will go well

04 April 2006, 09:03 AM
MichaelZHsee- thnks mate- decided to have a complete overhaul of my first idea

04 April 2006, 10:44 AM
this one is definitely the clearest concept. I like it. nice composition and it tells the story very efficiently. Look forward to the colour work on it. good luck with this

04 April 2006, 12:59 PM (

ok.. so it begins. again! Arghhh!
this is just about 2 hours work i guess. covering all the canvas on a layer under the line art layer, which is set to multiply. getting all basic colour and lighting in place. nothing extreme.. next i will flaten these two layers and wokring on a layer on top of it start detailing bit by bit. fingers crossed it goes well.... any crits at this stage.. any thing that doesnt look right?

04 April 2006, 03:59 PM
Well you could always check is the perspective correct and work according to it.

And you also need to decide upon the style.. Is the lineart really necessary?
Anyway Keep it up W-I-L :applause:

04 April 2006, 09:50 AM
i have worked according to perspective in my line art. looks right to me. you dont think so? lines are a foundation to have so i dont get too lost.

04 April 2006, 10:36 AM
So far: I like your color palette, particularly the sky. The biggest crits that I can think of at the moment are:

The beast on the right is facing out of the picture- this leads the eye OUT of the picture. This is a major composition rule- try not to have lines leading out of the picture. If I were you I'd change it so that the head is looking up and maybe twisted back a bit to look at the fire. This will naturally lead the eye to the fire.
The woman's legs make her look like she's about to fall over. Maybe add a foot to the front to make it look like her legs are bent and one in front of the other.
The puddle that the birds are in seem distracting and really out of place in this sort of deserty landscape.
Tis time to remove that line art and see the painting in all its glory!

I feel bad now- it makes it sound like I'm a really nitpicky person...I'm not, I promise! I see a lot of potential in this pic, I really do.

04 April 2006, 02:09 PM
I feel bad now- it makes it sound like I'm a really nitpicky person...I'm not, I promise! I see a lot of potential in this pic, I really do.

not at all mate.. thats why i posted this at theis stage- for crits. really well put crits you gave too and i was kind of ignoring the beast head even though i knew in the back of my head it would need to be chnaged.. as for the mother i didnt see that untill you pointed it out and you are absolutly right so i will fix that. also i think her forarm is too long. so will sort that out.

i was wondering about the little puddle.. might change it to some seeds or something.. cheers.
very helpful mate chhers... as for removing the line art i am simply painting on top of it now... the fun begins! eventual all the lines will disapear.

04 April 2006, 04:11 PM
hey wil been a while since i stopped by, and i have to admit where did the evening sky go? it rocked soo much. :( well never the less this palette is good too. the only weird thing that bothers me is the thing in front of the bull.... so far it looks like it threw up a broom :P (or part of one) anyways good stuff. :wip:

04 April 2006, 06:55 PM
that wooden thiing in the lower left corner is supposed to be a porch of some kind suggesting there house... dunno what you eman slav about a broom... maybe you mean the bird? anyways thanks for the comments.. and i have painted alot more and the sunset sky is workig its way back into it

04 April 2006, 07:47 PM
Hi Will, first of, thanks for your visits to my thread. I really appreciate your kind comments. :)

I really like the story and concept of your image, together with the character designs and the mood. I just love tribal warriors too. However, I'm sorry but I think that your latest comp isn't as effective as the previous one with the twilight sky. Perhaps you can try changing it to landscape? One thing I do like more in this is the closer view of the main characters and the presence of other riders, which suggests that the journey is really something important, as opposed to just a casual one. Good luck Will....btw..I missed your old portrait of the red-haired warrior, even tho your new one is a really good looking guy, hehe. :)

04 April 2006, 04:41 AM
that wooden thiing in the lower left corner is supposed to be a porch of some kind suggesting there house... dunno what you eman slav about a broom... maybe you mean the bird? anyways thanks for the comments.. and i have painted alot more and the sunset sky is workig its way back into it

hehe its alright man. i actually meant on the other side *right* of the image but its no big deal i am sure you will make it look like what it needs to be soon enough :)

04 April 2006, 08:09 PM (

I ahve taken out the second rider.. just wasnt working with the composition. the solo warrior will be lookign toward the horizon.

i am just detailing slowly.. covering all image.. please crit.

04 April 2006, 09:03 PM
I like the way you roughed it in...its coming out really smooth.

I would agree with the removal of the second rider...and I agree w/ Paperclip, the woman still looks...awkward.

Other than that, awesome work! With all the concepts you've put forth, i'll be looking forward to the final piece.

04 April 2006, 07:04 PM
good work Wil . I'm waiting your update .

04 April 2006, 07:20 PM
Yep, it's coming on well. You do have a small perspective problem, however. I reckon you could solve it by making clear that the rider guy is twisting at the waist, and also by moving the beast's front left foot (our right) further over to the right (our right!), and slanting the corresponding leg the other way (i.e. so its front feet are braced, it looks totally unballanced ATM). I'm sure that makes no sense to anyone but me.

04 April 2006, 02:48 AM
Great work Will...looking forward to seeing your uptdates...very interesting reading through this thread and noticing all of the changes/crits...good luck!

05 May 2006, 05:39 PM
nice work will!!i hope to see more soon cheers^^

05 May 2006, 12:17 AM
one thing for you!

:wip:, soon plx.

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