View Full Version : The Journey Begins Challenge (2D) Entry: Brian Ward
02 February 2006, 05:04 AM
Brian Ward is entered in the "The Journey Begins Challenge" update: View Challenge Page (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/journey_begins/view_entries.php?challenger=9602)
Latest Update: Final Image: london burning
02 February 2006, 05:11 AM
haven't the slightest idea what i'll do. but what a great subject!!!
i entered master and servant during the second month so i'm glad to have caught this one earlier.
if you're in... good luck
03 March 2006, 05:55 AM
Nice to see you again mate. Hope you have more time to work on your entry. I definately remember your M&S. I'll be keeping up.
goodluck and have fun
03 March 2006, 04:43 AM
i recall your's as well. hope your storytelling is going well on this one.
should be limitless possibilties.
03 March 2006, 01:33 AM
this one is just a fun pic taking the piss out of how Australia is beautiful, but there are an aweful lot of things here that will kill you.
03 March 2006, 01:37 AM
I think that Dante's Inferno is one of the greatest journey stories ever told. This, to me, is where that journey begins.
03 March 2006, 01:40 AM
This is a similar idea. A very literal portrail of the beginning of a great classic literary journey. It should speak for itself.
03 March 2006, 01:41 AM
Great Ideas, They look funny and interresting. I can advice you to do more cinematic composition, the one of australia look a bit as a theater stage ( a strict side view ) the other one of Dante's Inferno ( Really Really good idea ) composition a bit symmetrical.
I hope it will help you , have fun :it will be a long journey.
03 March 2006, 01:46 AM
I've spent the last week and a half or so in my apartment with a very swollen pair of tonsils and no internet. Can you imagine??? i'm so glad to able to start looking at what everyone has come up with. looking great so far!!! a little too great. :)
I've posted three sketches that are rough sorts of ideas. i'm not too keen on any of them. i think i may need something less literal, but i like to start obvious and then progress from there. if you're reading this, i very much hope leave a little something behind to guide me.
thanks much, and good luck!
03 March 2006, 03:43 AM
I see some good ideas with your sketches. I definately like the second concept, but i would play more with the compositions. All of them are a bit too simple at the moment.
The idea is there, you just need to push it more.
will come back again.
03 March 2006, 11:09 PM
if i didn't throw out the classic d&d concept for this one my inner geek wouldn' t let me sleep at night.
ok, that's enough of the idea drawings. now i need to do some real composition. i wish one of these was talking to me more than the others. but it'll come.
keep those posts coming guys. i don't get online very much these days, but i LOVE the stuff i'm seeing. inspirational stuff!!
03 March 2006, 10:41 PM
i finally got around to making a better attempt at compostion on this one. i'm still afraid i might be cramming in too much stuff. but it is a lot of fun torturing those little Jackson Pallock guys.
03 March 2006, 01:06 PM
O_o wow!! you really have a lot of ideas! i like the one you chose..
hmmm if you are cramming things dont worry you can always add more depth...:D keep up the good work
03 March 2006, 07:33 PM
#1 looks good, but you should combine it with #2, cause that shows more space if you know what i mean ;)
keep it up mate. cant wait to see more
03 March 2006, 12:59 AM
I don't think it's good idea to use well known stories. The first one is more likely to be executed - it's original (at least to me), and it looks fresh...if it was up to me I surely would choose the first one without any hasitation, that's first, and second - the topic is about bug-tall creatures...think about that...good luck, and have fun!
03 March 2006, 12:09 AM
but this one really hasn't sold me yet.
i know i need to get cracking on one of these soon. but i have a couple more ideas i want to explore before i commit. none of my idea so far really lend themselves (im my mind) to a good clean composition. i think i need to get simpler.
thanks again, guys. it's really great to get feedback from such talented artists.
03 March 2006, 07:17 PM
I agree with Arc80. Things are looking great, just think about depth. I'm excited to see where you go with color.
03 March 2006, 07:20 PM
I think sketch #1 is quite dynamic, and pulls you in as the viewer. really cool perspective...
03 March 2006, 07:01 AM
sweet freedom wispered in my ear, "your a butterfly. and butterflies are free to fly. fly away."
self explanatory i think.
03 March 2006, 07:11 AM
London is emersed in the flames of incendiary bombs from germany's planes. St. Paul's cathedral is lit up in the background and a terrified mother and father try to get their children out of london before it's too late. i want to show that they are being parted, they are saying their goodbyes. i'm very excited about this concept. it will be difficult to be sure, but very rewarding if i can do it justice.
any crits welcome. more work on composition to come.
03 March 2006, 03:02 PM
Good to see a have many ideas to works. I see all ya ideas except the butterfly one are based on "dangerous theme" getting to dangerous place play with danger.
What I'm thinking is about to concentrate your own feeling to get the right idea to support, many idea ya create are based on danger but doesn't cocentrate what exactly you feel and want to express to ya works like dangerous adventure to get the treasure with the friend?, go alone?, dreaming of beautiful adventure but have unpredictable danger?, is that dark?, how to get that treasure? etc.
Think as you are the character that adventure and imagine what ya wanna see, where is the place ya really wanna go and who you want to get along. Think like this's your adventure.
Good luck man!!
03 March 2006, 10:03 PM
And I do believe your London is on fire. :D
I really liked your Dante concept. I think that would a great one to work up!
03 March 2006, 11:24 PM
FIDUCIOSE -- thanks for the great insight. i hadn't really thought about the pattern that was forming in my concepts. but let me give a little back story...
i've always lived in Chicago, in the US. a year ago i quit my job and took a job here in Adelaide, Australia. big move. so the topic of the journey begins to me really has to do with leaving somewhere. i think that's what was keeping me from getting too inspired by my first three ideas and what really has me charged about the london one. something has happened and it's causing people to leave their homes and their families for who-knows how long. Chicago wasn't actually on fire when i left, but that's artistic license.
craig -- touche', my friend. you need to link to your entry in your signature so more people can injoy your flaming foxes.
03 March 2006, 06:30 AM
tonsa fantastic ideas, and i just was too pissed off when i realized i missed your master and servant, grell royally rox.
subscribin here, better late than never, bst of luck and have a great journey, let it rock mate!
03 March 2006, 08:01 AM
1st Angel -
what an honor. i'm really humbled by your saying that. i'm so unworthy. hope i can step up to this one.
03 March 2006, 08:10 PM
nice concepts brian and a lot of good ideas...
i like your "london burning" story, it's very emotional... looking forward to see a more detailed version...
good luck for your further journey:thumbsup:
03 March 2006, 03:48 AM
i've been rightfully accused of collecting too much reference for a piece. but this is one that i want to look right. i don't know london well enough to wing it. i think i've matched my concept pretty closely. hopefully i've hit the right balance of putting these guys in the middle of it without making it seam silly.
look forward to some feedback. i'm going to start on some line art next.
03 March 2006, 04:34 AM
I think that this is a good concept to go with and has the possibility of showing lots of emotion. The composite image looks a bit off though...like the scaling doesn't seem right...and I'm not sure if I like the pose of the characters...but that's just my 2 cents.
03 March 2006, 01:44 AM
my butterfly iris -
i think you're right about the scale and the poses. i'll mess around a bit and see what i can some up with for scale. maybe one more comp and then on to the line art. gotta start this puppy sometime.
03 March 2006, 02:09 AM
Hi Brian, I like your idea. The elements and color looks good. I can't wait to see your next line art. Good luck and keep going.
03 March 2006, 10:27 AM
What a bunch of ideas you have ! They could all be good. I'll wait to see what you finally decide before commenting again. Good luck !
03 March 2006, 10:50 PM
at this point i'm pretty commited to the london bombing. unless something better pops into my head before it's too late, that's the one i'm developing.
if anyone wants to borrow anything from my other ideas, or if they inspire something better. YOU HAVE MY BLESSING. go forth, be fruitful and multiply.
03 March 2006, 12:48 AM
Hey mate you might find this or that usefull maybe. as fot the air, would ne breat to add swarms of the royal airforce and the german luftwaffe as well as the airdefenses lights and mybe slon flackfire that leaves thise trialy of light in the air. looking forward to your next update, nice concept so far, keep it up!
03 March 2006, 12:49 AM
and a bit of 1940's darkest nights over london
03 March 2006, 12:55 AM
and a bit of flak fire
03 March 2006, 03:07 AM
update to the reference pics
better perspective and poses
03 March 2006, 03:41 AM
Nice perspective, coming along nicley.
03 March 2006, 07:32 AM
Great concept sketch and I like the work you have done so far on the car..reflections are really good.:thumbsup:
03 March 2006, 12:54 PM
Hey there Brian, nice layout! I am looking forward to watching it progress. There is nothing wrong with having plenty of reference. :buttrock:
03 March 2006, 05:09 PM
another thread with loads of possibilities! I like the angle you've gone for, and good work on changing the pose of the references you dug out... i think the guy and his son kneeling are still a touch on the big side... if he stood up, he'd tower over the car. And if you reference the car closely, don't forget to change the reflections of trees in the front wheel arch to buildings!
I like the idea though, very emotional. keep up the good work!
03 March 2006, 11:58 PM
sasha -- reference? for me?? you sure know how to give a guy the warm fuzzies all over! :love:<-- me looking at the ref.
element5 -- thanks. just hope i can translate it into paint. SO LITTLE TIME! :banghead:
Samanthie -- ACH! um... that's reference. but thanks for the vote of confidence! :)
mmbenya -- word.
Zepyhri -- you know, you're absolutely right. i'm having a heck of a time getting that scale right. think i need to find a pic of a 1940's car with a dude standing next to it. that's OK, Sasha, i can get this one. ;)
thanks a lot guys for all the feedback and support. everyone's been right on with the comments and they're helping a ton. they're gong to help even more once i start painting this pig. so keep em coming!!
04 April 2006, 02:31 AM
here's what feels to me like a good composition with good perspective and scale.
PLEASE - let me know what you think. :)
starting on rough color and then linework for characters. (sounds backwards, don't it?)
04 April 2006, 02:39 AM
this is an idea i got from Torsten Wolber. i don't know if it helps. but it's kind of fun to do.
04 April 2006, 02:54 AM
Interesting compo, I am ready to see some painting, good luck bud! I will drop by and check up on u, good luck!:buttrock:
04 April 2006, 07:33 AM
I checked out your Master and servant piece and I think it was very cool. I loved your comments very much.Really thank you for the kind words and the constructive comments. Anyway I think in this one you need to show more that there are planes in the sky and maybe a bit of fire or smoke in some of the buildings won't hurt..I need to feel more danger you know. And the reflections on the car are like wooOOoow.Keep it up and I'm looking forward to seeing where you're taking this.
04 April 2006, 08:35 AM
i'm gunna start on some rough color, should have something up soon. i want to get a good loose feel for it before i go into line work.
yeah, that car reference is going to be great when i get into doing the metal.
04 April 2006, 10:45 AM
thought i'd wish you good luck, i like the concept , are you going to be using this color sheme in the painting?
i checked out some of the works on your web site, really beautiful stuff, what software r u using?
04 April 2006, 04:15 PM
this concept has alot of potential. I like the palette you're going for. Very foreboding. I'd like to see some smoke in the background and i'd fade the background buildings to add a little depth. These are minor details though. Good luck with the painting. So far so good.
04 April 2006, 04:38 AM
Man, i turn my head for a second and here you are wipping out a nice piece :thumbsup:
I really like the idea on this now. This should be interesting to see the progress. I think it'll be a powerfull piece when its done. So i'll be checking back again.
04 April 2006, 06:06 AM
Hey :D Thought I'd stop in here for a quick comment
I love the colors you chose, they definitely fit the mood of the image well. Compositionally, it seems fairly balanced, but my issue is with the positioning of the characters. Separately they are fine, but I feel like it looks strange with the two pairs of characters that seem to be detached and perpendicular to each other, they almost clash. I feel like you should just go for like a mother-son or a father-daughter and remove the other pair. Either that, or maybe make them one family, or push one of them back a good bit so that only one of the pairs is in focus. I really love the idea that you are going for here, and I would hate to see it be distracting in the end because of the two sets of characters.
Anyway, good luck, I can't wait to see where you go with this :)
04 April 2006, 08:44 AM
omer and dommclub -- thanks a lot guys. yeah i'm going to try to keep or improve the color scheme and i'll smoke em if i got em
thanks Arc. same goes for you, you've not been idle.
ramy -- AAAHH! good point. i've been thinking so much about placing characters as objects in the scene that i lost touch with the moment itself. hmmm. you've given me much to think about. :banghead:
rough color coming soon, i promise!!
04 April 2006, 07:16 AM
Thanks for the comment, you're my man Anzibon..
Its a sad shot too.. I love the way you paint the car, looks so metallic, yet so 3K.. :cool:
04 April 2006, 12:20 AM
finally started painting. it's been crazy at work, but i think the time i've taken to think through the concept is paying off. so much work to do. but l've already learned so much.
now the crits that i REALLY need can start rolling.
PS - and to those who thought i had painted the last submission. sorry to disappoint, but i hope i can get it a lot better than the reference by the end.
04 April 2006, 12:50 AM
looking good Brian
I really like the potential and you're well on the way. I find the edge of the painting distracting as it adds light which will eventually not be there and i think the composition will look stronger without this - even if you cover with a dark colour at this stage.
I can really imagine how this will look - strong reds from the flames reflecting on the houses and car - and shadows and reflections on the road from the car.
I would also consider adding floating pieces of ash and sparks as well as smoke (which always helps to add depth and atmosphere.
Hope this makes sense as I've been up working on my entry for a long time and I should really be getting some sleep...good luck and look forward to seeing how this develops
:) (sorry smilies are not working so only can remember happy face)
04 April 2006, 02:00 AM
Wow this really is a great start, I assume you plan to work more on the car lighting? I feel like the car is just too bright for the atmosphere right now. I think this is gonna turn out great, and hopefully you will come up with something good for the characters. Looking forward to future updates :D
04 April 2006, 02:29 PM
Looks like a great idea you have so far. I envisage it to have a powerful atmosphere and to evoke emotion. Rich and moody colours.
I like your latest image - especially the edges of the painting, where it finishes.
Good work, keep it up! :applause:
04 April 2006, 12:45 AM
ok, more persp work and all the main elements are in. i've added a guy getting there bags to add a bit to the story. and i think i've fixed the problem of the mom and dad being so far away from each other.
thanks to everyone for the super helpful crits.
we're rolling now.
04 April 2006, 12:48 AM
Oh I like this so much more in terms of the composition and placement of characters, and I feel more of an attachment to them now. Great progress since your last update! :D
04 April 2006, 08:33 AM
simply a classic. just finish up the detail work and its going to rock.
04 April 2006, 10:51 AM
thanks a lot guys. really great feedback comin.
i'm luvin the challenge this time. :D
AWaqas -- just getting started. i think i'll have to change the reflections as i start marrying the car into the scene more.
MrFreeman -- thank you sir. glad to hear you like it. i will definately add all sorts of atmospheric stuff. as soon as you said it, i pictured it too.
ramy -- thanks to your comment i took a good hard look at the composition. (yet again) and it was well work it. i feel pretty happy with the way it's laid out now. and yeah, i'm not really marrying stuff in yet, just laying out color and form.
Xeophex -- thanks! yeah i had a pretty easy time figuring out the mood in PS just combining images and stuff. makes this part pretty painless. i like the edges too, but MrFreeman had an excellent point... it distracts.
warpy -- * staggers back grabing at furniture to keep from falling. whaa? classic? gees. uh... thanks. i'll try not to let you down. but i'm really just learning. :)
04 April 2006, 12:41 PM
This composition tells the story very well.
04 April 2006, 04:07 PM
Hey Anzibon, looking really good! I like the positioning of the closeup pair, and the addition of the driver will close that gap in the middle micely, whilst not obscuring what it is they're running from. You might want to either make the closup pair darker, or the guys in the middleground a bit lighter to help with the illusion of depth.But keep at it, Mr Freeman is right, this could be a lovely piece with all that bounced light around.
04 April 2006, 01:59 PM
webwings -- thanks. in the end that's my main concern. that and evoking some feeling. even if people hate the pic, as long as they get some feeling from it.
Zephyri -- yeah, the whole thing is pretty ambient right now. once i get some stark light and dark sides to the objects and charactrers i think it will change the feel quite a bit. but i'll keep an eye on not having the characters all the same value. that's a very good point.
thanks again to everyone who has commented. i've learned so much on this thing already and i've barely even started painting.
04 April 2006, 02:09 PM
Nice job on the car :)
Thanx for the visit.
Uhm i dont really have any cool advices. Just hope you sharp it out and finish it.
04 April 2006, 02:45 PM
Hey anzibon, thanks for dropping by on my thread. Finally I found yours. Can I ask what this scene has to do with the journey begins concept? It is not immediately clear to me. Is it about starting a new life when the fire burn down the whole of London? Or world war 2 is starting and suddenly everybody's life will never be the same again, thus their new journey begins?
04 April 2006, 09:57 PM
Hey Brian, the elements of your scene are balancing out very well, and I really like the idea of adding the driver to the scene! It does give you that sense of completeness, now the journey can begin! :buttrock:
04 April 2006, 02:18 AM
Falcor -- thanks dude. i'll do my best.
jeromoo -- very good question. i haven't really laid ou the story for people, but basically this is the first really serious bombing of london that threatens to level the city. many journeys will come out of this night. one of which is the journey of these children to live with family outside the city. her parents won't be coming with them because the war effort requires that they stay in london and continue their work. the father especially has a very important job that has made him more valuable in london than at the front. soon after these events another group of youngsters will also have to leave their home and will discover a very mysterious wardrobe... but that's another story. mr Lewis' work is only a very small part of the inspiration for me to choose this concept. because of my recent move from the US to Australia, i am feeling some of the separation that this family is feeling. thanks, J.
mmbenya -- thanks a lot. i think the driver does help a bit. (but his pose sucks and he's a little too high) i'll get him a little better this weekend. I haven't been to your thread in a while. gotta check on steve soon. ;)
04 April 2006, 05:41 AM
sorry about not updating in a while. been really busy at work.
also, i moved apartments and broke my laptop.
have to get a new internet connection.
looked at my piece last night for the first time in a couple weeks.
SO MUCH LEFT TO DO!! :scream:
but the stuff i've been seeing is looking great.
REALLY great talent on this site!
04 April 2006, 07:06 PM
Really like what you've got going on here.
05 May 2006, 08:33 AM
finally had a chance to do some painting on this. between work and not having a laptop or internet at home it will be interesting trying to finish.
AAAAHHH!!! i just saw that there's only 19 days left.
oh well. here goes nothin.
thanks for any helpful crits.
05 May 2006, 04:00 PM
This is looking nice. I like the recent changes, the darkening of the left side and the working in of the man reaching for the bags. Maybe some warmer hilights and rim lgihts on all the characters now? But I know you still have a lot you plan on getting to... Good luck wokring on this without a computer! I'm sure you'll find the time and resources... :)
05 May 2006, 05:30 AM
thanks walrus! always a big honor to have you visit my thread. i definately need to work the warmth of lights on the characters and reflected glows and things. that shouldn't be too hard. first i have to detail the buildings some. that'll be a pain.
hope i get time.
05 May 2006, 05:53 AM
it's really dark right now, but i'm trying to get the smoke put in. no time. so much gong on at work. hope i get a few hours to finish it.
05 May 2006, 06:13 AM
It's really dark, but it's better i think, there is really depth now!
Good luck for finishing.
05 May 2006, 12:24 AM
here's some datail shots. i finally got a chance to put in some hours yesterday. so at least i should be finished enough to submit. wanted more time though.
05 May 2006, 12:27 AM
i'm gonna call this line art, cause i don't really do any line art. i just paint over areas a lot.
it;s the last leg and any helpful crits at this point would be very... helpful.
thanks and good luck,
05 May 2006, 12:58 AM
Wow this is really coming along well, time to really pull it together now. I feel like the biggest thing for me is that the boy's face has really defined wrinkles, I understand his face being a little bit wrinkled because he is crunching it in tears, but I feel like right now he just looks old, and it makes him look like a dwarf and not a boy. I feel like maybe you could try softening his features a little? my only other comment is that the sky looks like it's in a different style of shading than the rest of the image, might consider retouching it. Both comments are just my opinion though and aren't necessarily "problems" with the picture.
Oh and by the way, why are we able to see the sky in the windows of the buildings on the sides? it doesn't look like a reflection, and if we are able to see the actual sky then that would mean that they are just the faces of buildings with no inside. Do you see what I'm saying? If they were intended to be just reflections of the sky, I think they need some sort of glare or something to make it clear, not sure exactly now to approach it.
05 May 2006, 02:20 AM
Hey man, hope you get to work on this more. Its looking good so far.
I'll check back again.
05 May 2006, 03:14 AM
ramy - good call on the reflections. only problem is that they do sometimes look like that. we just know they're reflections so our brains are ok with it. i'll give it some more thought, thanks for pointing it out. definately WIP on the face and sky. so little time. :(
arc - me too, man. me too.
CCCCC - so it's not just this monitor. i'll try to keep it legible. for some reason i can't get my adobe gamma loader to load. :/
05 May 2006, 07:48 AM
I like the ripply water effects on the ground but agree with ramy badie...the face looked better in prevoious posts.
05 May 2006, 11:02 PM
I was away for a while and I can see that you've progressed alot...it's now more expressive and dramatic..so good work man..just work on the boy(especially his face and his left hand) and you'll be gold..and come check my piece will ya?
all the best
05 May 2006, 11:56 PM
here it is with everything in place. i'm sorry i haven't had the time to visit other people's work recently. haven't had interenet available. hope everyone is still having fun and is finishing so i can see what has become of some of my favorite threads. there's really some nice work being done and i've enjoyed this thread a lot. thanks for all your great crits. time now for just a few more as i finish off this pig. :)
05 May 2006, 10:47 AM
Sept 7, 1940. London.
Peter, age eight, clings to his father's shoulders and shuts his eyes and his mind against the terrible sights and sounds going on around him. He has just learned he and his sister will be separated from their parents. Nobody really knew for how long. His parents had kept the family for as long as they could. But today it beaome evident that they would no longer be safe in London. Today it bacame unsure whether there would still be a London.
The bombers had first come in the afternoon. They attacked St. Pauls cathedral within view of Peter's bedroom window. After a couple hours of serious bombing they stopped. The worst was over, the family thought. At sunset they learned how wrong they had been. The first attack had been designed to mark targets for the blitz that had now begun. The Blitz that would last through Christmas. Dark times would lay ahead for London and the world. But for young Peter, the journey was just beginning.
05 May 2006, 10:57 PM
Excellent show of emotion from the characters, you've done an excellent job with this image! Congratulations on your outstanding work, best of luck to you in the challenge! :thumbsup:
05 May 2006, 11:35 AM
i'm impressed with the dramatic mood of your illustration!:thumbsup:
05 May 2006, 12:18 AM
wow guys, :D
thank you so much. it means a lot to hear such a possitive response from artists of this caliber. i'm not completely happy with my result, but i've learned so much on this piece that i'm sure my next one will be better for it.
thanks again to everyone who has visited and commented and helped me through getting this done. this community rocks.
and congrats to everyone who finished and everyone who didn't finish but learned something.
05 May 2006, 02:40 AM
yay congrats on finishing this, turned out great. Love the overall lighting and mood, it looks really good. Just good work in general actually :)
06 June 2006, 01:52 AM
i feel like you and i have both taken great strides during this challenge. we can give ourselves a little pat on the back i think. now you have to work on your ftp skills. (hope you've gotten over the initial disappointment and can find that funny) i look forward to seeing more of your work.
and a HUGE thanks to everyone who visited my thread and especially to those who left help comments. it's those comments and seeing other peoples work develope that makes these challenges such a treat.
hope to see everyone on the next one.
06 June 2006, 01:52 AM
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