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12 December 2005, 03:16 PM
i知 desperatly in need for some good advice on what system i should buy , at this moment i知 working on a pentium4 2.53 with 512 memory ddr
since this year i知 going to the art academy for graphic design but i知 also doing 3D for like almost 2 years in my free time (lightwave) , when working on my computer now i really get frustrated sommetimes especialy when working on 3d models ,i saved up some money and now i would really like to get a new computer ,also for school since we work allot with photoshop , illustrator , painter
i have no idea what to get or where to start ,every store that i go tells me sommething else ...take intel ,take amd , intels is to expensive ....amd has cooling problems ...etc...etc ,
the thing is i知 used to using intel all the time and never had troubles ,so i知 thinking i知 sticking with intel ..i dunno
could you people maybe point me in a direction on what graphic card , processor (dual or normal ) , what moderboard , memmory, case ...etc ....i should rerally consider getting
i知 not planning on buying a monitor so ,just the case
it took me ages to save this amount of money so i really want to invest it wright in a system that is really really good and that can last for like 3-4 years
my budget is around 1600Euro痴
thanks for you池e help
12 December 2005, 01:03 AM
is there nobody:sad:
12 December 2005, 02:35 AM
get a system with a amd dual core x2 4400 or if you have a budget go with the 4800, 2 gig of ram's a good start, and an nvidia geforce 6800 gt, 6800 gs or a 7800 gtx.
12 December 2005, 10:43 AM
Well, as I am also about to get a new work computer - i can share some of my experience of looking for it.
1st advice I can give you is don't worry about advice or suggestions from people who sell computers. Maybe there is 0.05% of computer retailers who deal specifically in computers for digital content creation - and (!) make it a point to stay up to date on the latest technologies and their benefits for this specific field. These kinds of outfits will also charge you a pretty penny for their trouble - and I dont think thats recommended for a single user trying to get the most out of his hard earned money. Sadly, most computer dealers can be described as aspiring to exist somewhere towards the opposite end of the spectrum from what I've described above.
On the other hand, on this forum are exactly the people you should listen to. You should do this by trying to create where possible an averaged overview of opinions on each pc component. Thankfully there have been quite a few discussions lately as well as lists compiled compareing the performance of most different computer builds available today - In tasks such as rendering (I found some here as well as at the Maya forum - perhaps you should look for information specific to Lightwave). So, look around.
As I have gathered there are currently two options for a new build which are cost effective each in its own price area. Both are built around AMD processors - as it is clear that Intel offers nothing at the moment for a Digital Content Creation computer. Its processors are currently lesser in performance, consume more electricity, and, experience higher temperatures - at the same or higher price.
1. The moderately priced yet good performing and very upgradable - amd X2 machine.
You should base this around an AMD X2 3800 processor which is considerably cheaper than the X2 4400 mentioned above yet offers almost the same performance and is better suited for overclocking (should you choose to).
Memory - Two 1gb sticks of DDR400 (pc3200) memory from a leading brand (OCZ, Corsair)
Motherboard - Asus A8n sli Premium (or one with the same chipset but without sli such as A8n E - but you should check for this yourself.) - Or DFI Lanparty SLI DR. (they also offer slightly cheaper versions with same chipset only without the SLI option) Basically what you want on the motherboard is the 939 socket and the Nforce 4 Chipset.
Graphics - Nvidia 7800gt or gtx. - Lightwave (as i gather) does not benefit from the more expensive quadro cards.
Hard disk drive: Hitachi T7K250 or Western Digital WD250KS - these have a good price point and are both recommended. If you want to spend a bit more get the WD400KD SE.
Seagate and Samsung also have Sata \ 2 drives with near the performance of the first two I mentioned.
DONT - forget a good Power Supply
This setup with or without SLI will give you the best value per your money as well as allowing some future upgrade to newer faster processors which will become cheap once the new AMD socket begins to replace the 939. For example this setup will perform about the same as a dual processor Xeon machine costing about twice as much....
2. Your other option - is to get the more expensive Tyan K8WE (no scsi) Dual Opteron board and populate it with one or more single \ dual core Opterons. With two Dual Core 275 \ 280 Opterons this Build gives Almost twice the performance of any other computer available today (obviously including Intel's Dual Xeons). For more details on this build and its options look at other discussions with wiser folks than myself.
12 December 2005, 11:29 AM
and thank you anevsky for the long reply , this helps me a bit more i'm going to start looking into the stuff you mentioned .
12 December 2005, 04:26 PM
...i知 desperatly in need for some good advice on what system i should buy , at this moment i知 working on a pentium4 2.53 with 512 memory ddr....
...i have no idea what to get or where to start ,...
.....it took me ages to save this amount of money so i really want to invest it wright in a system that is really really good and that can last for like 3-4 years....
...my budget is around 1600Euro痴
Given this criteria I would suggest purchasing 2GB of RAM and then save your money for another year or two. Currently AMD chips are the best performance but if it was my money I would increase the RAM (which has a significant impact on improving performance for a wide range of DCC tasks) and save up for a nice dual-core and/or dual socket system because by then the price/performance will be even better.
When doing DCC you can always benefit from more horsepower but "keeping up with the Joneses" is very expensive and if you aren't generating more revenue to keep up your habit then you'll go bankrupt. Best of luck to you
12 December 2005, 11:01 PM
If you want an x86 (Windows) machine, AMD processors are more powerful for rendering than Intel, and AMD's 64-bit implementation is more advanced than Intel's.
As for Windows / Mac, it depends on your software.
Lightwave runs slower on Macs because Newtek have left the renderer dangling like a carcass in the wind for the past 4 years. Some functions on LW Mac don't recognize multiprocessors or dual cores, so of course it won't be fast.
However, over at Luxology, the new dual core G5 Mac is beating all others at rendering.
So it depends what software you use as to which will be faster.
12 December 2005, 11:01 PM
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