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09 September 2005, 04:51 AM
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09 September 2005, 07:42 PM
Spectacular eh? Very open ended...
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First idea I was playing around with was a concert, maybe something like a Gwar or Kiss concert, going for the Spectacle.

But that wasn't enough... So here is what I am going forward with...

Picture if you will the martian frontier. A dull red land of imense danger and immense potential.
A pioneer, aged by the hardships, struggles to eek out a meager existense. His oldest child disappears in the chaos of a dust storm.
Panicked, and without preparation he heads out into the unknown to save his precious daughter. He finds her miles down an abyss in front of an structure obviously not made by nature. Running low on O2 he grabs her and grasps the stone. Using every last reserve he climbs to save his daughter... and himself...

09 September 2005, 04:50 AM (

Finally got down to some concept work... I'm not totally thrilled with the framing, angle of view or the composition as a whole, but it is a good starting point...

After laying out the initial view I decided to add a beam of energy. Ancient Alien monument --> Energy beam, just made sense in some way, plus I like how it looks, it was missing something without it.

Probably need to pull in the on the face of the pioneer, and give his daughter a teddy bear or something to give her some reference as child...

Suggestions and crit VERY welcome.

09 September 2005, 05:07 AM
The composition you put is excellent. I like how the light shines throguh the body..that adds extra spectaculary to the scene.

09 September 2005, 05:09 AM
Great concept.
Would be an idea to be closer on the face of the guy on the edge of the cliff with a more downward camera angle, that way you get a better view of the girls face.

But i suppose you can work on that more later. Keep it up!

09 September 2005, 05:14 AM
I think this is already the furthest I have ever gone in one of these challenges... I had to force myself to sit down and draw/paint the whole concept and forget about the details...

I agree I probably need to rotate around to face down on the father and daughter... The monument could be brought in as well... But I'll play with that in the 3d world this time.

09 September 2005, 05:30 AM
Agree on the downward POV. Show the height and the risk of falling. Goodluck!

09 September 2005, 06:16 AM
So for the first time ever I will be modeling some of this in ZBrush... Should be fun, really like the ZSphere modeling aspect... Yay for new toys!

09 September 2005, 01:47 PM
whoa! i'm impressed with your work. Good luck.

09 September 2005, 02:10 PM
Nice concept - I like the theme. Looking forward to seeing some 3D...


09 September 2005, 02:32 PM
Great concept !:thumbsup: very spectacular !
Iike you style and color. I think... add a bird into the image ,is good ? haha~~
Good luck HammaJamma !!!

09 September 2005, 02:39 PM
i do like this concept as well i would have to agree fine work..

09 September 2005, 02:50 PM
Cool Concept, definitely raise the view and focus more on the face holding on, maybe he is crying with the pain of dropping his daughter.

The scene lacks scale I don't feel that they are high enough for spectacular maybe the view change could help with this or even when the scene is complete with other ground elements would help.

Nice work and concept can't wait to see more.

p.s. Reminds me of that Mission to Mars movie

09 September 2005, 03:38 PM
I've been thinking about this a bit. I like the bird idea, maybe some martian birds, that would be fun to come up with. Also thinking maybe this is after Mars has started top be terra-formed, could add some martian adapted plants. How would settlers on Mars modify their equipment to fit the reality they find themselves in? Gonna play around with these a bit.

I think the POV correction might fix the illusion of scale, maybe by adding the martian birds, and by bringing more of the cloud layer in below them it would help with the scale issue.... Also could add to the monument a bit and give the area around it the look of an ancient abandoned city?

Keep up the crit and suggestions, love it...

And thanks for all the positive notes, I really appreciate it!

09 September 2005, 04:05 PM
wow, great concept and idea. I'm impatient to see the 3D entry. Good luck :thumbsup:

09 September 2005, 04:32 PM
Looks very cool. I really like the composition. It is definitley difficult to tell that there is child in the scene, the teddy bear idea is good, or possibly a face shot could work as well. I look forward to seeing more.:thumbsup:

09 September 2005, 04:41 PM
So I will move the POV up to the cliff top looking down... The father is crying trying not to drop his daughter... She will be struggling trying to save her stuffed martian toy... Yes this will be good...

Been working on some sketches of Martian birds, and the spacesuits... Will post this evening.

09 September 2005, 07:42 PM
Can't wait to get home and scan in the sketches. I think I finally see what the martian "birds" look like as well as the space suits (kinda buck rogers circa 1950's)... I also sketched out the little girls stuffed toy... This one is alot of fun, WOOT!

09 September 2005, 07:53 PM
Intersting concept... it will be a challenge to make all this environment and the characters.

Good start, I whish you good luck :bounce:

09 September 2005, 08:55 PM
Good idea ! This is a very deep abyss !!! Is it a little idea of a futur Mars exploration by a human mission ?? ;-)

Great concept, good luck !

09 September 2005, 09:00 PM
Teddy bear huh;) Keep it up!

09 September 2005, 09:01 PM
The idea is a Martian pioneer/colonist/explorer goes out to save his little daughter who was lost in a dust storm. I'm falling in love with a mid terra-forming Mars, in other words a Mars that is begining to warm but is still not suitable to Humans without protection... I'm thinking that maybe life on Mars was in stasis, in a sort of deep freeze. With the warming by terra-forming the native flora and Fauna re-animate... Mixed with human brought in biology.

09 September 2005, 09:04 PM
It is more of a fuzzy squid thing than a teddy bear, but same concept. I had a name for it... What the heck was that name?

I've got some sketckes I will post tonight, but yeah, your teddy bear idea... Doh...

Oh yeah it's a qwid... Kind of a 3 legged squid/elephant thing...

09 September 2005, 04:33 AM (

Just a quick doodle of the space suit helmet and the Qwid plush "teddy bear" toy idea I had

09 September 2005, 04:40 AM (

So this is an idea I had for a form of martian avian. It is kind of a plant animal hybrid. It gets most of its energy through photosynthesis...

09 September 2005, 05:33 AM
Oh.I like the martian avian looking very cool and organic. Would be great to see it in a 3d scene (^_^)

09 September 2005, 06:19 AM
the moon ray looks excellent dude very original... i like it

09 September 2005, 09:03 AM
nice concept and idea of the bird :)! maybe u could model some low poly characters and pose around and place the cemera ... great for getting good angles, helped me a lot:)

09 September 2005, 02:01 PM
yunisirees - I'm definately going to do that, thanks, that will help imensly

The moon ray is going to be the first model I build... Because it lookd fun.

09 September 2005, 02:13 PM
nice martian bird, almost looks like a ray. I really like it especially if the wings are transparent.

Have fun.

09 September 2005, 02:22 PM
Just an idea. But perhaps tighten up the top of the martian birds "wings". Make it come more to a point. Also, might be interesting to have the "tail" extend out a little. Might make more sense to help control movement. I picture the wings as pockets, the wings filling up. Great concept! Keep it up!

09 September 2005, 02:28 PM
great work so far keep it up and good luck to you in the comp.

09 September 2005, 03:03 PM
Wings as pockets like a directional parachute? I like that... And bringing it more to a point would definately help it fly...

I keep going over the idea in my head... It would be fun to have someone trying to ride one of the moon rays... Maybe that is how they are trying to get out of the abyss, holding on to one?

09 September 2005, 03:14 PM
Cool idea to put a teddy to make sense of childhood. Willing to see more. Good luck!

09 September 2005, 12:45 AM
Your Idea is great no doubt. I think adding some evidence of an ancient city would highten more reason for your 2 characters that seem to be in danger. Bspecially explains the reason "why?" there in danger. Good idea indeed. Nice bird creature too, very imaginative.

09 September 2005, 12:47 AM
Wings as pockets like a directional parachute? I like that... And bringing it more to a point would definately help it fly...

I keep going over the idea in my head... It would be fun to have someone trying to ride one of the moon rays... Maybe that is how they are trying to get out of the abyss, holding on to one?

Hmm. I can see this. The astronaut has one had clinging to the cliffs edge. The other hand is holding onto the tail of the martian "bird" that is pulling on his arm. Some good ideas. Keep it up!

09 September 2005, 06:13 AM
Holy Guacamole... Z-Brush is awesome. I am having alot ... A LOT of fun learning it. Should have a really nice Moon Ray to show tomorrow.

09 September 2005, 02:17 AM (

So I was playing around with the Moon Ray and think I really like this version. The wings will be more like dragon fly wings... Atleast in shape and functionality.

09 September 2005, 12:00 AM
Okay as I've been playing around I fell in love with a little doodle I did... Same characters, same environment, new scene. The dad and daughter are riding a moonRay out of the deep canyon. The daughters stuffed toy is pulled from her hands by the air rushing past, she turns to grab for it...

So the shot is caught in the instant the dad notices his daughters grip on him has relaxed, he is already concerned for their escape, riding the back of these alien avians, away from an ancient alien monument etc... And the monument doesn't want to be found... So of course it has to use everything at it's disposal to catch these would be discoverers... The little guirl is just worried about catching her stuffed pal...

So what does everyone think? Not just on the story but also on the model of the moon ray... I'm not entirely sure what I think... It is kind of an odd jumble of creatures, a dragon fly, a ray, a squid and a tropical bird... oh yeah and a plant... And in an odd sort of way a human, at least in the "shoulders"...

09 September 2005, 02:20 AM
Amazing moonray you got there, looks like ZBrush's goignt o be used extensively ;) And it sure looks great. Did you use ZSphere for the base body?

09 September 2005, 04:26 AM
Yeah I used Z-Spheres for pretty much everything other than the wings. Then I started sculpting... I have never been so impressed with a tool in my life.

I have started working on the father character... You know what I need names for my characters. How about Randolph Mandorri or "Red" Randy, just Red to his close friends. And his Daughter Alexi. Her stuffed toy she calls Qwiddy.

Now that should make it alot easier to reference these characters. So I have started modeling Red, should be able to post up a WIP of him tomorrow.

I am doing the main characters first and then start playing with them. once I've got them roughed into the scene I'll go back and model the necessary scenery...

09 September 2005, 12:43 AM
The new concept sounds great. Will the dad and daughter have space suits or will the atmosphere be breathable? I guess you'll be able to convey a lot more emotion if you don't have them in suits.

09 September 2005, 03:05 PM
I think they will still be wearing space suits, Because the front is just a big glass bubble I can still show the emotion pretty easily.

09 September 2005, 03:29 PM
another cool idea, it could be more intense, put the sketch up.

btw your moon ray's look cool, can't wait to see them textured

09 September 2005, 03:45 PM
The creature's coming up Nicely ;) You learned ZB very fast, my man (^_^)

09 September 2005, 04:03 PM
I appreciate the warm welcome I have recieved here. You keep me motivated!

I need to finish up a freelance gig tonight, so I should be working on the challenge again come this weekend... I've got a few more sketches I will post up, give an idea of what I am seeing.

09 September 2005, 07:08 PM
There is something REALLY wrong with me...

SO here I am thinking about the project, working out the details in my head. And I keep coming back to the light, beam, ray, whatever the heck you want to call it, from my original sketch.

So throwing around ideas... I had this idea for a scene in some future city, looking out upon Utopia... The concept being that a society is caught right in the middle of the moment some of them are trancending into a pure energy state... Some of the so far unnaffected are confused, some are in awe... Wouldn't that be spectacular?

So I am not so far along that I cannot change concepts right now. But I need to decide today, and go down which ever path or I'll never get it done.

I have also considered merging the two, in a sense. I could see maybe some form of martian transcendant being helping... Basically the Yin to the temples Yang...

09 September 2005, 07:25 PM
HammaJamma.. whoah... heavy concept man... I really dig the latest evolution as it would present some serious challenges atmospherically... Good luck committing;)

09 September 2005, 09:17 PM
After wieghing the options I am going with the combo. As awesome as the new idea would be I love the original idea too much. I will probably create the new idea at another time regardless...

So tonight I'll finish some other work, tomorrow I'm going to build the martian ruins/temple...

09 September 2005, 12:18 AM
having fun with zbrush eh?:) ray looks good! and like the new twist to the storyline man!

09 September 2005, 04:58 PM
All i've got to say is if you are sick DON'T SIT DOWN at the computer... Nobody makes a tool to clean that mess up, blech!

Alright I did get some stuff done the last couple of days. I'll post up the father WIP tonight. I've never actually modeled a human head before so I am working my way through it. Had to start over several times as I just didn't like where it was headed (Pun intended)

Hopefully I'll have some time this weekend and next week to push on down the line!

09 September 2005, 05:26 PM
Hope you get well soon man, and get the challenge going ;)

09 September 2005, 12:22 AM
this was one of first entries that got my attention. nice. i'd stick close to the original painting will look cool in 3d.

09 September 2005, 11:28 AM
Hi HammaJamma! cool modeling in ZB, that should come out nicely. Your alien is original.
All my best for the development of this promising concept.
Will keep an eye on your thread. Keep up the good work and have fun with ZB.

09 September 2005, 03:23 PM
Back to the land of the living for me.

That was a rough week!

09 September 2005, 04:03 PM
Oh my goodness this is not a fun cold... I've been doing freelance work most nights so between the cold and that work I have been falling horribly behind. I have done a little work on the Father and the landscape. Won't be able to get back at it until next week. But here is what I am going forward with....

Father and daughter riding the moonray out of the area with the ancient alien monument. Daughter is reaching for her stuffed toy that has been pulled from her arms. The Monument has activated some sort of defense mechanism...

10 October 2005, 04:28 AM (

So you all thought I had given up? Well I haven't. Work has just been crazy. Thought I'd post up the father as he is thus far...

10 October 2005, 04:28 AM (

So you all thought I had given up? Well I haven't. Work has just been crazy. Thought I'd post up the father as he is thus far...

10 October 2005, 04:32 AM (

So you all thought I had given up? Well I haven't. Work has just been crazy. Thought I'd post up the father as he is thus far...

10 October 2005, 04:37 AM
One heck of a head! Makes me want to chuck maya in the garbage and use zbrush forever after!

10 October 2005, 04:39 AM
I only model organic forms in ZBrush... Maya is still my primary ap...

10 October 2005, 06:04 AM
hei HammaJamma
good to see ur still around!:) been wondering where u went off to heheh! nice work on the head man!

10 October 2005, 05:33 PM
Good idea. Nice modelling too.

10 October 2005, 01:49 PM
yunisirees- Really glad to be back pushing pixels(or in ZBrush pixols) around. Gotta say your entry is looking very nice. I've got a long way to go. But started modeling the rest of the father last night. I have been drawing hair styles for him as well... Should be able to post up a more complete version of him soon.

suk-grigorij- Thank you. I'm going to start adding the detail once I've got the whole father roughed in...

Just noticed I posted the model 3 times... Oops...

10 October 2005, 10:05 PM
Good work with modeling. I liked the head. Could you post the picture in other angle? Nice work so far. :thumbsup:

10 October 2005, 10:07 PM
Denverbz - Sure I am going to work on him again tonight. I'll post an update with a better material and several angles...

10 October 2005, 06:09 AM (

Quick update to the modeling. I have been playing around with the father figure. Going with a psuedo 1960's Flash Gordon spacesuit...

10 October 2005, 11:19 PM
Hi, cool. I liked the your idea about to do him with a flash gordon look, i think that will be great. You'll modeling everything on zbrush? Characters, scenario? Great work so far. :thumbsup:

10 October 2005, 11:21 PM
I am doing alot of the modeling in ZBrush... Not real comfortable with mechanical objects in their quite yet so probably use Maya for alot of the utility items and misc equipment... But for the most part yeah I am using ZBrush for the modeling and texturing.

10 October 2005, 06:55 AM
interesting idea, want to see it completed :)

10 October 2005, 08:15 AM
Hi. very interesting concept, and the modelling is looking great. good luck.:thumbsup:

10 October 2005, 08:47 AM
Good mixed use of ZB. I agree it's not ideal for mechanical objects though, specialy if you do the final render in another soft.

Cool work man!:)

10 October 2005, 10:19 AM
hi HammaJamma
nice zbing on the model so far!:thumbsup::thumbsup: ... looking out for some more cool updates man!
cheers mate!

10 October 2005, 12:51 PM
Hey HammaJamma, you have great modeling skills... this is looking very promissing.
I'll be watching you.

10 October 2005, 05:04 PM
Haven't been even able to think about this in a while... But I am refining the concept. Might post up a proposed comp soon.

10 October 2005, 09:53 PM (

I had a few minutes to spare so I started the helmets. This is obviously very rough, but it is a start.

10 October 2005, 09:57 PM (

The two parts to show more of where this is going

10 October 2005, 10:27 PM (

Quick update

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