View Full Version : Spectacular 2D Entry: Michael Dashow
09 September 2005, 03:28 PM
Michael Dashow is entered in the "Spectacular Challenge" update: View Challenge Page (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/spectacular/view_entries.php?challenger=8205)
Latest Update: Final Image: Prehistoric Fireworks
09 September 2005, 03:30 PM
Wassup Micheal, good luck with your spectacular entry, holla!:thumbsup:
09 September 2005, 03:32 PM
heh, what kept you ?
09 September 2005, 03:55 PM
He He Welcome Walrus :bounce:
09 September 2005, 03:59 PM
Well, I'm officially "in." But I'm also not usre how much I'm actually going to be able to compete this time 'round
Great to see you here, Michael!
I hope you find time to get something worked up (it's back to three months again!!)
Good luck! :p
(and congratulations on the new house and new job!)
09 September 2005, 04:07 PM
Good luck! Can't wait to see what you got to offer this time around :)
09 September 2005, 04:17 PM
wel congrats on the new horizons and hopefully will see you competing.. good luck
09 September 2005, 04:59 PM
Welcome to challenge!
But i really didnt want to see excuses. You have 3 months of time. Thats plenty even for a busy person :thumbsup: Just post 'em piccies already.
Good luck! Hope to be in the receiving end of your comments and critique
09 September 2005, 07:15 PM
welcome and good luck!
09 September 2005, 07:40 PM
Michael, hope you will find the time to put out a great work, your entries always are fresh and original and definitly something I look forward to.
09 September 2005, 09:15 PM
Best wishes Michael. It will be great to follow your work again!
09 September 2005, 09:41 AM
Hey Mike, great to see you back in the ring!! I loved your piece the last time and will definitely be following this one. Good luck!
Also: congrats on the new house & job!!
09 September 2005, 09:47 AM
hello michael~its michael here:D
good luck and enjoy the challenge ya~
09 September 2005, 10:02 AM
Hiya Mike! Lets have some more of that insane detail you do so well! :)
09 September 2005, 10:04 AM
Hi ! glad to hear you are in! don't worry , we have 3 month! I think you can do it! good luck man!
09 September 2005, 03:30 PM
Good to see you back, Michael; best of luck to you. :)
09 September 2005, 07:54 PM
Silly me i forgot to wish walrus goodluck. Looking to see what you will do on this challenge.
09 September 2005, 08:01 PM
Alright!!! Walrus is in!!! :bounce::bounce::bounce:
Good Luck!!! I'm sure your work will be fabulous!!! :)
09 September 2005, 08:31 PM
Yeah! :scream: Good luck Michael, I hope you'll find the time to come up with another blinder this time round. I do like the sound of your new art studio at home though ... something I dream of, since I'm still working at a desk at the foot of the bed in our bedroom. :shrug:
09 September 2005, 03:02 AM
09 September 2005, 03:12 AM
Well gee, thanks everyone! So nice to see all my friends here again!
Well, the way it works out, I have hardly any time for painting in the next month. (My computer time this very moment is cutting into my packing time.) BUT... I still have my daily commute on public transportation. And that means... sketch time! So here's my first doodles:
It's way back a long long time ago. Picture the most gorgeous sunset you've ever seen. Now add to that a giant ball of fire, lazily drifting down through the clouds, illuminating them from within, behind... everywhere. And just to add to the fun, the volcanoes are spitting up bursts of lava all of the sudden. The colors are unbelieveable, and they reflect off of the water on the placid swamp.
In Caveman Creek, an awed bunch of friends have gathered to watch the show of a lifetime. Of anyone's lifetime. It's:
- or -
'It's the End of the World s We Know It, and I Feel Fine."
Still got some bugs to work out... just can't seem to draw that perfect "Ooooooooooh!" expression. Oh, well, there's time. And I may come up with something completely different. But at least I got something up...!
Okay, back to packing! :)
09 September 2005, 03:26 AM
This could be so adorable!!! :thumbsup:
09 September 2005, 06:20 AM
Hey there Michael! Good to see you back here again! I'll be watching your progress!
09 September 2005, 06:48 AM
:thumbsup: I like the humor that you are trying to achieve, good stuff, great sketches. I'll check back, lata!
09 September 2005, 07:04 AM
Yo Mike...I immediately recognized your sketches by the character's eyes. I think that is your trait. I wish you best of luck...
hehe...the cutie in the corner running away also seems to be something coming only from you.
09 September 2005, 08:03 AM
I absolutely love this Michael!!
With your technique this could be incredibly spectacular when it's all tightened up. It's the first entry that's put a big smile across my face as i've opened the thread!!
09 September 2005, 08:03 AM
What a great concept, Michael! Really looking forward to seeing this develop if you choose to persue it. :)
09 September 2005, 08:28 AM
Oh dear... I'm following Jonny and Matt around again... This'll look fab Mike, and I look forward to it progressing if you go with it! :)
09 September 2005, 08:34 AM
GREAT concept man. Really nice idead!:thumbsup:
09 September 2005, 09:03 AM
Hello walrus!! good to see you once again! nice concept:thumbsup: ..very funny as always:)
Good luck for the challenge... i'll come back see next step.
09 September 2005, 09:56 AM
good idea with the volcano as prehistorical fireworks. I
Many new things happen > congrats to the new job and also for the new house. :thumbsup:
09 September 2005, 10:25 AM
ah master dashow ... good to see you here :D
09 September 2005, 11:13 AM
My eyes, huh, Andreas? That's funny, I thought that in this doodle I was stealing eyes from Matt Groening ('Life in Hell,' 'Simpsons,' 'Futurama')!!! :)
Well, we'll see how it goes: One of the problems I have with this right now is that it really demands a back view of all of the characters, and I'm having a little trouble cheating them to the side so that you can see their faces ('cause if you can't see their faces, the humour is lost.) And then there are still those "oooo" mouths...!
I have tons of time to come up with other ideas still. This one does appeal, though: It's not only got the funny characters but a beautiful sky. You couldn't tell from my last entry, but I am a total sucker for painting gorgeous sun-drenched skies. You should see my reference folder for clouds. I swear, half the reason I got a digital camera is so I could stop wasting film on vacations shooting... yet another cloud. :/ And this would be the sky to end all skies.
I apologize, I wish I had more time to reply to each and every one of you seperately. Suffice it to say, I appreciate everyone's comments, and it's damn good to see the whole lot of you all back here again for another go 'round! Later...!
09 September 2005, 02:06 PM
Great concept, Michael - hope they enjoy those fireworks, cause I don't think they'll get a second chance to see any. :D
09 September 2005, 02:11 PM
My One of the problems I have with this right now is that it really demands a back view of all of the characters, and I'm having a little trouble cheating them to the side so that you can see their faces ('cause if you can't see their faces, the humour is lost.) And then there are still those "oooo" mouths...!
I have tons of time to come up with other ideas still. This one does appeal, though: It's not only got the funny characters but a beautiful sky
How about having them facing the camera, but further back into the scene a little, and looking up..? Like the sky is all around and above them?
Just a thought (conjured up during a chat with MAtt Dixon)
09 September 2005, 10:54 PM
Oakland in the housez :buttrock: Good to see you again bro and good start. will be keeping up again.
09 September 2005, 10:00 AM
This is a real cool idea, I hope you stick with it and work out the kinks.
09 September 2005, 11:06 AM
I think Im not checked in ur thread yet! What a shame for me :) well, Im most happy to see u participating in this challenge and best of luck to u buddy!
09 September 2005, 11:07 PM
YEAH! I love fireworks.....Like the idea. Am looking forward to the other concepts you have in store for us...:)
09 September 2005, 11:52 PM
Great idea, Mike and a thumbsup for yuor skynutness, skies are just awesome!
09 September 2005, 01:23 PM
This should be really good, I love the black comedy aspect and know you'll pull it off a treat from your excellent M&S pic!
Keep it up :arteest:
09 September 2005, 06:07 PM
Hey, all, thanks for the notes and encouragement. I still have other ideas, but for now I'm still riffing on this one. I took Jonny and Matt's suggestion (thanks, guys!) and tried some doodles to develop the characters looking at the skies all around them, not just in the far background. These were all done on bumpy car-rides and trains, so they're not the best quality. But uploading something is better than nothing, I guess. It says, "Hey, I'm still alive!"
So the characters in these sketches look a bit lest forced, but now there's a slighter emphasis on the one big asteroid. So I added a lot of little meteors streaking down too, all around, so at least there's a plausible reason why they're looking other places in the sky.
And, of course, I'm still working on my "Ooooo" mouths! :)
I may try a version with more of a wooded setting. My wife noted that dinosaurs usually lived in places of lush vegetation. I wouldn't know - I was just thinking kinda Flintstones-y, and everything there was just big rocks. Fred and Wilma would have felt right at home in the Road Runner's neighborhood, no?
Anyhow, what do you think? (About the sketches, not the Flinstones sets!) Thanks! (And again, I apologize for not having the time to personally reply to every single post!)
09 September 2005, 06:36 PM
Cool idea. It was one big firework that killed of the dinosaurs you know, not a meteor like they'd have you believe.
What about doing a scene where dozens of huge dino's and cave men are standing awestruck in a circle round one tiny (but bright) firework - the first one ever made? I suppose it could be a sort of parody of spectacular, after all, it would be spectacular as far as they were concerned - they haven't even invented fire yet :)
09 September 2005, 06:41 PM
cool idea and funny.I love the face of ur characters a lot.:thumbsup:
09 September 2005, 06:50 PM
heh nice idea!
09 September 2005, 04:37 PM
Haha, funniest concept I've seen in this challenge so far! :) Keep it coming!
09 September 2005, 10:24 PM
And now, for something completely different:
Just thought I'd rough out a totally different idea before I settle on one. Last challenge we were required to use humans, but no one said anything about species this time around. So I was thinking, what would be spectacular to another race? Like dogs? So here we are, with our intrepid canine explorers just having landed their rocket on the mythical Bone Planet.
It's still rough (done in the car again!) Not even close to a final layout, merely is there just to get the thought on paper. So there it is.
09 September 2005, 10:34 PM
Brilliant Mike! Lol! I can just see it now; fleets of dogs eventually leaving Earth in spaceships for the new planet, all with their heads stuck outside the windows!
09 September 2005, 10:50 PM
haha, everything connects so well in the new concept. It would be an amazing sight and even more amazing to the dogs. But we will no longer have dogs:sad: , they would leave us for a better place.
09 September 2005, 02:09 AM
hahaha... interesting idea... I want to see more:)
09 September 2005, 03:42 AM
Looks great. Nice idea. Maybe there should be something in the sky, like a vapour trail, just to round out the composition.
09 September 2005, 03:40 AM
I'm still waffleing on which idea to go with, at least 'til a third one hits me and I have more to choose between. I'd be interested in hearing if people like one idea more than the other. So in the meantime... more cave-men! :)
09 September 2005, 03:47 AM
neat sketches, have seen your other stuff, very cool, good luck :)
09 September 2005, 03:48 AM
nice sketch mike!cave man concept is cool!:scream:
09 September 2005, 05:14 AM
Forget more cave men, give us more cave women:P . To me, both work just as well (as long as the dog one has that crazy frog eyed view of the towering bones). hehe, that probably didn't help much; you've got time though.
09 September 2005, 06:54 AM
Nice character sketches Michael.
I reeeeally like the dinosaur who looks like he's saying 'oooooh'!!
09 September 2005, 07:01 AM
Cool characters! I'm sure you alredy know it ;) But the Doggy is the best! Good luck, hope to see next image soon!
09 September 2005, 07:32 AM
Deffo! Lovely sketches! More cave-women please! :)
09 September 2005, 07:39 AM
Great Sketches, prehistoric fireworks does seem pretty spectacular =)
My own thread
09 September 2005, 08:16 AM
Supercook sketches dude! I love the concepts. Nice Disney style drawings here! (hope it sounds as a compliment). The dino is ACE!!!
09 September 2005, 09:23 AM
I have a vision....I see...more cave women, too. :D
Now seriously both topics look very promising. But maybe the bone-finding-dog-concept in the current composition has more a film-poster look. Maybe it would be nice to have captured moment of a scene. "like Armstrong who went down the stairway"
anyway great line drawings.:thumbsup:
09 September 2005, 11:51 AM
hi walrus! greeeat sketches man, but Im for the caveman theme for now. I think its not so often presented, so it would be a refreshing choice.
09 September 2005, 11:54 AM
Love your whimsical tone for this concept!:D Excellent character designs too. Can't wait to see you begin comps & paints. I know it's gonna look amazing!
09 September 2005, 02:56 PM
Hey, all! Thanks for the notes!
Korline & Sh@ke - thanks, and thanks!
Ace (and Aly and Fahrija) - Glad you like the cave-women. My wife thought they looked too "modern/sexy" as opposed to the cavemen, who are starting to look more... prehistoric. Me, I was thinking, just go for "fun." Once you're doing cavemen with dinosaurs, might as well throw logic out the door anyhow!
Jonny - Thanks! It's an easier expression to hit with a long face like a dinosaur's than a human's. :/
antTON - thanks, glad you like the doggy!
David - Don't know if you realized it when you posted, but hi, this is Mike from Innyard. How's it going!?
Xillion - Don't worry, it's most definitely taken as a compliment.
Fahrija - it's true, at the moment, it could definitely convey more of a feeling of being a specific moment, one small step for dogs...
ArtJunkie - You got a while to wait for colors and paints. The next 2 or 3 weeks is going to be spent packing and moving, not to mention all the time work is taking up. Sketches at this point are the only thing possible because I can do them on the train...
NinjaAssn - it's true, the caveman theme isn't very often presented... But it's not like doggies in space are either! :scream:
I still haven't decided which theme to go with yet. The cavemen really appeal to me, as does the sky, but i certainly wouldn't be the only entry depicting "something big going boom" as I would with the cameman pic. That seems to be one of the big running themes so far. Whereas, I seem to have staked out the "doggy" territory all to my own so far. (There's a joke in there somewhere about dogs marking their own territory, but it's too early in the morning for me to quite get there.) So I still don't know...
So keep dumping your opinions!
09 September 2005, 06:52 PM
oooh, i like the character sketches from your prehistoric fireworks. Love the style bro. simple yet effective and has good sense of personality. Can't wait what you decide to do with it.
cheers bro :thumbsup:
AHEM, go with the caveman idea, hehehe.
09 September 2005, 07:30 PM
Nice sketches. Do you have a stoy behind you characters.
09 September 2005, 08:04 PM
excellent sketch as usual.cool character design.I love it.cheers.:thumbsup:
09 September 2005, 04:01 PM
Donīt worry Walrus, It's the End of the World s We Know It but sure more worlds will appear with people who donīt hurt eachother:wip: and make more love:love:
Good and good luck with your project , Itīs a cool idea:D
09 September 2005, 12:38 PM
More rough doodles. It's all I have time for right now.
It's probably impossible to read, but the upper left corner is a sketch with some foliage and trees in it, just trying to concept out a rough feel of more of a lush setting.
And now, back to packing. That should be my new tag-line!
09 September 2005, 09:47 PM
really like the character designs and whimsy behind the piece. can't wait to see more! great sketches!
09 September 2005, 09:54 PM
I am diggin' those concept sketches really hot and hip holla!:thumbsup:
09 September 2005, 11:58 PM
This is looking to be a fun image ...looking forward to colour :thumbsup:
09 September 2005, 07:10 AM
nice sketch.love the face on the right below alot.cheers. :bounce:
09 September 2005, 09:39 AM
Nice cartoony characters, good luck with your entry!
09 September 2005, 11:55 AM
Hi walrus. I like the astronaut sketch. Looks really funy.
looking forward form your need and painted ideas.
09 September 2005, 06:46 PM
After seeing your pic during the M&S challenge i'm going to have to disobey you, concerning the "(Don't expect too much yet.) :D
09 September 2005, 12:47 AM
Aye Mike, happy i finally made it over here as well! best of luck and have loadsa fun mate! looking forward to your piece, hehehe, excited expecting your next update!:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
09 September 2005, 05:20 AM
More small scribbles. It's all I have time for right now. And all of my dinosaur reference books are packed away in boxes in the garage somewhere. At least by Sunday this move will be over with and I can start unpacking... and maybe drawing better dinosaurs! :-) In the meantime, this is it. In fact, now that this is scanned, it's probably time to pack away the scanner, so this'll be the last art update 'til next week some time.
Anyhow, thanks everyone for the comments!
09 September 2005, 12:54 PM
Clever concept and take on the topic! Your characters are awesome!
09 September 2005, 09:14 PM
just a quick stop here, buddy :) great sketches! keep going!
09 September 2005, 11:41 PM
sweeet! hahaha they look like children, love the expressions!
09 September 2005, 12:51 PM
hey walrus! can't believe i haven't shown up here till now... your m&s entry kicked serious asses :) and the sketches i've seen so far here are fantastic. Well, i'm watching now :)
09 September 2005, 02:06 PM
thats hilarious mate... on the right track buddy . . . keep it up
10 October 2005, 07:51 PM
Glad to see you back at it! Keep up the good work!! :)
10 October 2005, 02:53 PM
Hi there, Michael! Another cartoon style entry from you! That's quite a unique concept you got there: The dinosaurs are entertained by the 'fireworks' and not realising that it is the very cause of their total annihilation from the surface of the earth! Hilarious!
I think you can pull off another stunning entry this time! Wish you the very best!
10 October 2005, 10:12 PM
Thanks for the notes folks. Yep, I'm still here. I've finally finished moving, though there's still tons of unpacking left to do. But I did manage to finally find some of my Dinosaur encyclopedias and such, and so I can finally work at developing some characters that look a little more like real dinosaurs (while still being cartoony, of course.)
Until I fully unpack, I won't be able to really get to the big final layouty thing, but 'til then, here are a few more small sketches from this morning's subway ride, just to prove I'm still here! :)
10 October 2005, 10:16 PM
Hey Mike, I was just thinking that there wasn't enough dinosaur action in this contest! Good luck buddy, I'm looking forward to seeing where you take this!
10 October 2005, 06:39 PM
Whew, finally got the computer and scanner at home together enough to piece together all of the disparate sketches that I've done on the subway over the last month and shove them into the composition. So here's how it's looking.
I find it kind of funny - ny last 2 entries into the CGTalk challenge have featured charcters with utterly fearful expressions: One guy being dragged off by alien robot bugs and another facing the Boss from Heel. Yet here we are, witnessing the soon-to-be mass extinction of life on our planet, and everyone looks so cheerful. Party time everyone, isn't this cool? Oh well, they'll learn. ;-)
There foregrounbd is feeling more solid than the back, i really need to sketch that part out more. But in the meantime, let me know what you think! Thanks.
10 October 2005, 06:49 PM
Great to see you post an update! This is one of my favorite concepts! Watch her finger though, right now it is in a landscape "hole" of the bkgd.
10 October 2005, 03:49 PM
Thanks for the note, Jose! I think I got it covered in this version. What do you think?
And as for the rest of you... C'mon, where is the love?!? The sketch wasn't that bad, was it?
10 October 2005, 07:17 PM
Looking Good! Cant wait to see some serious color work from you on this! : )
10 October 2005, 08:02 PM
this will be a solid piece of work. I also would say the different things are covered so far.
I very much like the irony and the ambivalence of the content.
Like jose Iīm looking forward to watch the coloring.
10 October 2005, 09:58 AM
I like your idea very much! This's very impressive! Your work arouse a double feeling: 1. it's a impression from the falling meteorite and 2. it's
a burning sympathy for these nice creatures and people. I look forward to seeing a next stage! Good luck!
10 October 2005, 10:40 AM
dat's a cool idea, now give us some line art, man.
And some colors and I did mean like yesterday...
*looks at watch* can't take that long..
*taps foot on ground impatiently*
10 October 2005, 04:45 PM
Well, generally, Squibbit, I try to get feedback on my sketch-work before I turn it into final line art, but I'm just funny that way. :)
So anyone got any notes before I get to the line art? Overall, though, I'm feeling pretty good about it right now. My wife says it's her favorite piece of mine so far... But who knows, maybe I'll manage to screw it up in the coloring stage. :shrug: I just can't wait to paint that sky, fill of gorgeous clouds and light and fire - whooo, that's going to be fun!
I should have that all done in, I dunno, a few hours from now maybe? :P
10 October 2005, 05:25 PM
How about a sleeping lemur on the tree?:) about the evolution and things like that...hehe, love the little dinosaur on the right of the girl lol! as he said "heyy,look at that mann!!"
Oh, one question: is the other dinosaur touching the....emm... of the man?:twisted: perhaps a last funny time??:love:
Seriously, a great drawing hehe good luck again!
10 October 2005, 05:36 PM
HERE IS THE LOVE! :love: :love: :love: :twisted: :drool:
10 October 2005, 06:29 PM
...And as for the rest of you... C'mon, where is the love?!? The sketch wasn't that bad, was it?
Pretty good, actually. I like the concept. Maybe you should have one little creature that's figured it out and is trying to hide.
10 October 2005, 06:41 PM
Thanks for the notes, all!
Gonzalo - Hmm, the lemur might fit well with Chris's idea... As for the Camtosaur touching the caveman's... (ahem) club... er, entirely unintentional. I'll have to adjust that a bit. (insert blushing smiley here.)
Wil - thanks, man! :)
Chris - Thanks for the note. Interesting idea... I can't decide whether that will deflate the piece some, be too much of a "buzzkill." Hmmm. I'll have to give it some thought... other opinions on that, anyone?
hope your pieces are all coming along well, too... I'll try to stop in soon!
10 October 2005, 06:28 PM
Ha ha! Thats kinda hilarious... and cruel!
Nice style and expressions. I love the dino to the left from the girl, made me laugh!
10 October 2005, 12:23 AM
Nice! Look like quite the fun image here. I espcially like the fact it looks like they're so excited and oblivious to their impending doom!
10 October 2005, 02:42 AM
now lay some colors on it mike~*sit back and enjoy the progress
10 October 2005, 09:30 AM
hahaha, their expressions are great!:) I haven't seen as many pieces of yours as your wife has (I've liked a LOT the ones that I've seen) but I think I could agree with her, this one looks fabulous! (and spectacular too, hehe)
your style is so great... good luck with it!:thumbsup:
10 October 2005, 03:03 AM
Pretty good, actually. I like the concept. Maybe you should have one little creature that's figured it out and is trying to hide.
Well, you could have it so one animal is scared out of his/her mind running towards the crowd (far enough to not communicate to anyone but close enough for us to see his/her expression; you know, in that arms out in front, just about to fall over with mouth and eyes wide open, with the legs flopping around....fits the toony style you have). Also, the astroid looks like its coming straight down, maybe more of a coming straight at them from the sky (slight change of the current angle on the rock):shrug: . Keep it up, I love the toony style (to much realism now-a-days, and i'm still a kid at heart).
10 October 2005, 07:57 AM
Yes, I love the theme in this, it is self explanitory, great stuff by far. Love the characters and I love the drawing. I'll wait for the next update, holla!:thumbsup:
10 October 2005, 12:58 PM
AARGH! Still no color?! Just kiddin with you, cant wait, that's all. : )
10 October 2005, 06:19 PM
Hey, all, thanks for the notes!
No, no color yet, but I DO have final line art so color will be next.
I appreciate the ideas that people have been offering for the scared critter, but I've been thinking about it and it's just not working for me. It kills the happy mood I've set, and I don't want to introduce even a kernel of fear or impending doom. I leave that to the viewer.
10 October 2005, 12:48 AM
Great style~ :thumbsup: I can't wait till I see the color version. Keep up the great work!
10 October 2005, 05:24 AM
At long last, the moment you've been waiting for...
you, in this case, meaning ME, but no matter. Here are some early color tests. What do you think?
(Before you answer, hang on, I'll upload one more...
10 October 2005, 05:25 AM
...and here's the third. NOW you can give me your opinion! :)
10 October 2005, 06:39 AM
Hi! I like your color test 2 better. But only one, it is necessary a little more to light up the sky round the kernel of fear as it seems to me. And it would be great if you try to underline a skyline with the light. I wish you success!
10 October 2005, 07:10 AM
Hi ! how are you man! look like you are busy? I like number 2 for shadow color and contrast , but I like the sky of no 3 ,
good job as always!
10 October 2005, 12:41 PM
I look busy? This from the man who regularly enters (and places) in both the 2D and 3D categories? Ha, I can't imagine that I'm half as busy as you, Monsit! :)Anyhow, thanks for your note. I have to confess, I like the dramatic sky in #3 more too: The way I had always envisioned this piece was with the most beautiful, cloudy, sunset sky you've ever seen, and #3 comes closer to that.
Atris - Thanks for your notes too. Your points about making more glow and light around the asteroid, and about lighting up the background more are excellent. No matter which version I go with, I would do well to take your advice. Thanks!
One other thought-for-the-day: I'm thinking that the laval-plumes may be oo distracting and may need to go, or at least be shrunk a lot. What do you think?
10 October 2005, 12:59 PM
Hi Mike:) well,yeah I think the lava of the nearest volcano and the pterodactylus create a little perspective conflict with the meteorite.
About the meteorite fire, perhaps Iīd change the perspective. I think the "tail" of the fire should be smaller to increase the feeling that it comes from outer space. Now, it looks like the flames close the upper right space and I think this fact helps that the meteorite looks smaller, from my point of view:)
Anyway, good job!
10 October 2005, 02:01 PM
Thanks for your note, Zalo! Here's a new try, with the tail diminishing in perspective more. What do you think? I'm not sure whether I like it. True, it seems more now like it's coming straight at them... but it's a lot less "pretty" and a lot more "scary." Seems slightly less likey that they'd be as exuberant, eh?
I also combinedthe sky from 3 with the figures of 2, like Monsit mentioned. I doubt they'll get much darker: Thhey don't read well otherwise.
10 October 2005, 02:05 PM
looks awesome already :)
10 October 2005, 02:36 PM
Apart from all of this Iīll tell you a compliment: I love your art vision hehe I saw several posts of you over there and the way you tell advices is very very interesting, like this one:) Youīre right! Now I think that the scary thing is asteroid fault hehe Your characters look like funny. How if you change the traditional meteorite shape to become more funny too?Itīll become more funny-scary I think....64 % funny 36 % scary lol!And you could add more funny flames in front of the meteorite too.
An one thing more. (How weary am I!!:D ) I think the big dinosaur isnīt look at the meteorite but I love his face haha
10 October 2005, 07:18 AM
Man, that's going very nicely now! I have a suggestion: Change the humans into ape-people. You can have funnier expressions with them. RIght now they look like Tarzan and Jane of modern times in some Jurassic Park. Just a thought.
Keep going at it Michael! Dang, now if i could just find the time to continue mine!!
10 October 2005, 12:42 PM
Finally youre doing something :)
I told you 3 months is plenty. How does it feel like. You gonna finish it up?
Pretty dark humour there my friend. Being so happy and hyped up for that pretty shining stone.
10 October 2005, 01:58 PM
Looks great. Funny picture. I love the fisheye perspective, especially on the clouds. However, I think the shadows are still a little too cold. Looking forward to seeing more.
10 October 2005, 04:26 PM
Squibbit - Thanks!!!
Zalo - Funny flames and Asteroid shape? Hmmmm, there's definitely something to think about. I'm not sure what funny flames exactly are, but what I have in there now is just the product of a 15-second Google image search and cut-'n-paste. I'll be painting the final sky and comet from scratch, so I'll see if I can make them more... funny.
As for the T-Rex's eye, you are completely correct. I'll have to move the eyeball forwards some.
Jeromoo - Hey, good to see you! I agree with the caveman looking funnier if he were more ape-like - i tried it in some of my sketches - but the woman just looked weird. Okay, so you caught me, I wanna draw a cute woman! :D Anyhow, hope you get time to work on yours more... No vacations mid-challenge this time, okay! :scream:
Falcor_ - I have been doing something this whole time... just slooooowly. But this afternoon is the official house-warming party so no more unpacking to do after now. I should only have work deadlines to contend with. And a magazine cover job that happily just fell in my lap! :) But yes, I should easily be able to complete this.
SquishMe - Thanks for the notes. You are right that the shadows are very cold. I'm trying to contrast the foreground with the background. When I tried making the shadows warm and much darker, as would be more appropriate for the actual lighting, the characters blended in with the background too much. And the whole point of the piece is to see their faces. SoI've been kind of torn about that one, and am still waffling. Anyone got any ideas?
Catch you all later, hope your are all coming out okay...!
10 October 2005, 04:28 PM
Hi Mike, so there you are too, hehe, don't have that much time to browse either, to much work around on many projects. Your concept is very funny and it seems humour is a style that comes often in your work. I come from the animation industry and I use to draw a lot in that style, still do from time to time.
I like the perspective and the cartoony expressions they have, they are getting ready for a big splash of water fire and dust! Hope you can finish it like you want, more than 40 days left should be enough I guess. Will come back from now on to see your next updates. All my best for them and keep up the great work man!:thumbsup: :)
10 October 2005, 05:15 PM
I like the style of your drawing!
10 October 2005, 02:43 AM
This is a fabulous piece with lots of potential and easy to read story.
Of colour and contrasts, I prefer the higher contrasts. This version of the sky seems a little too "soft" (but that's just a personal taste thing, nothing of great consequence because the sky is still beautful).
I like the colder tones of the shadows on the people because of the contrast against the background. Perhaps you might want to increase the saturation of the shadow colour though. Not sure. It is something you may have to experiment with, I guess. Maybe include multi-toned shadow. That is, add in a small amount of deeper blue for more depth.
Great work! I really want to see this as a finished piece :thumbsup:
10 October 2005, 03:10 PM
Well, here's a newer versio: I reverted back to the earlier asteroid flames because it's less scary and more pretty, befitting the facial expressions. I've deepened the shadows on the characters a bit, but i don't want to take them too dark so that they'll pop more. I've added some more hilights in the background, and a little hint of depth-fog on the further-back characters.
I'm really not happy with the trees in the upper left, but i'm thinking that this is getting pretty close. What do you think?
And hey, is it just me or does this challenge seem a lot quieter than the last couple? :/
Sorry, no time for more notes and chatting myself! Off to work...
10 October 2005, 03:29 PM
Looking great! Your red sky clouds are really nice, I can see this coming together! One small suggestion, the rock would be hottest/brightest at the bottom not the top, but I have never seen anything this big fall to earth! ; )
10 October 2005, 03:30 PM
The only problem I have with the trees at the moment is that the creepers hang down too 'vertically' - if they were conforming to the delightfully subtle fish-eye perspective you've lent the piece - they should be hangin' away to the left alittle non? The characters are a little too 'Walty' for my tastes too, but then - I am English (and therefore probably just want everyone to have as bad a set of teeth as my own.) I'd be happier with uglier cave people and a tyranosaur that didn't remind me of... you know. But all this is nit-picking (which is what the cave-people I draw spend most of their time doing :)) and I really like it.
Avatarist like! Avatarist like pretty flaming ball!
10 October 2005, 06:21 PM
Jose - You're right about the heat starting on the bottom - I think of the heat sheild on the bottom of a space shuttle or apollo mission getting bright red on reentry. I will keep that in mind as I color it.
Avatarist - Ah, what can I say, I like 'em pretty. They may not be accurately grungy enough to be real cave-people, but honestly, i threw out all pretense of making anything accurate when i stuck cavemen in with dinosaurs. They may look a little Walty, but even more than that, they look very much like characters I draw/would draw/usually draw. They're very me. Don't think IO could have done them any other way! :) Great spotting on the hanging vines, I'll defintely have to repair those and make them work with the perspective I've established. Thanks!
10 October 2005, 05:38 AM
I like the changes you've made, the stronger contrasts with the highlights etc.
It really is a beautiful piece. Don't change your cavemen: I like em pretty too ;)
10 October 2005, 07:01 AM
I just looked at your website. Very cool stuff. I really like the "Future's Past" cover. You could certainly teach me a thing or two.
And your master/slave entry was fantastic. Lovecraftastic!
10 October 2005, 09:07 AM
Fun concept, man. I loved you M&S entry.
The choice of a fish eye lense is very good. Maybe you could add a beast closer to us, to add depth, and make the lighting more dramatic, more contrasted and violent. After all , they all gonna DIE....
10 October 2005, 04:35 PM
Hi buddy! I was away for a while and I see I missed a lot and I apologise for that. Love the way u r developing this image, although I think there r some problems with reading the perspective. The dinos that r in second plan look like that they r in the first plan with the others, just smaller, and flying. At least I see them that way :/ it could be coz of no floor yet, but I thought I should exposed that. What I really like is, how u used cool and warm colors in the pic (cool in first plan and warm all over the image) but I think u should even darker some places, although I know that this is an early stage of the process, Im just popping out some stuff that came into my mind watching ur piece. And for the last some smaller rocks falling from the sky wouldnt hurt I guess, yet not too many of them.. maybe more in the distance. OK... that would be all for now, keep the good work buddy, and I'll try to come here more often. :) I hope Im not interfering too much into ur piece, all that ware just suggestions, hoping that will help in a way.
10 October 2005, 04:57 PM
Just my two cents, but I respectfully disagree with Blaz, your perspective reads OK to me. The structure of the dinos faces tell me wether they are large or small.
10 October 2005, 07:38 AM
Oy, i've missed a lot, my apologies bro. Been too busy with other works and choirs that i didn't have the time to work on my entry or visit people's thread. Well, i am back and man, i can't complain about the style. Always dig your style. Perfect choice in colour and that sky looks TIIIGHT and the flames of the meteor ROCKS :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: I have no prob with the perspective. I think it goes well with the style.
Be back again for more bro :bounce:
10 October 2005, 07:34 PM
Okay, getting closer here... Let's see, what have I done in this iteration:
Added some more darks inot the characters. I did it really quickly, didn't do a lot of hand-painting... but then, this is just a color comp. I fixed the perspective on the vines in th tree on the left. I made some more glow oin the leading edge of the asteroid. And I adjusted the eyeball of the T-Rex.
Things I haven't got to yet: Adjusting the trees on the left, color and shadow-wise. Adding a ground plane for the front-most dinosaurs. Colored in any clothing for the cave-people. But the color is getting good to go, it'll be time to start flattening layers and repainting all of this stuff soon!
On to notes:
Lync - Thanks, and now I've made some more contrast, by popular demand.Glad you like how it's looking.
SquishMe - Thanks, glad you got to visit my site!
Arctis - Thanks, Pierre! I don't want to go too dark with the characters, partially because they start blending in too much with the background. But I also want to keep the tone light. Sure, WE know they're all about to die... But they DON'T and I want to keep the tone one of joyousness and blissful unawareness. As for another dinosaur, I can't imagine where I'd have room to squeeze another one in! :)
Blaz! Good to see another note from you. I have always appreciated your insight and comments, no need at all to worry that you are "interfering." Part of the problem that you are seeing with the foreward dinosaurs is that I tyook out the ground plane, so they're just standing there on the water. I need to add something in for them to stand on and that will anchor them a bit. I'm still getting darker with the shadow tones, as you and just about everyone else has pointed out! :) (I think my monitor at home must be really off!) As for the smaller rocks from the sky, I definately plan on it. I have sketches of them, but I was surprised to see when I went back through my posts that I somehow hadn't posted up any of those particular pictures. But don't worry, tehy'll get there. Anyhow, always good to get feedback from you, thanks for dropping by!
Jose - Thanks for the 2nd opinion! (and all of the other good ones you've offered thus far.)
Archie - Hey, good to see you back! Hope you will find the time to work on your entry more, too!
Take care everyone, good luck with all of your respective pieces too!
10 October 2005, 05:11 AM
Woah! I saw your m&s entry for the first time just now and I love it! I like what you are doing here as well. It seems very simple right now. I'm sure you will be adding in more detail though. Make sure to fill the space just above the characters heads and just below the mountains with something interesting. Right now it just looks like a blank red plane (sorry if someone alread said this or you explained this because I didn't read the thread :banghead: .)
10 October 2005, 05:40 AM
hahaha finally. couldn't wait to see ya get busy and then i missed your rocketlaunch... :rolleyes: the character design is really sweet and the sky and mood are fantastic, and the idea... how mean :p
burning hot start mate, and glad i can have a sneak visit from now on more often again to watch ya rock again :D go go go Mike! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
10 October 2005, 08:10 AM
nice cartoony feel to it! I like it! :)
10 October 2005, 08:17 AM
hello walrus!! like always, that's a very comic style! i like your work man, so funny..i'm sure that the finally composition will look very great like your octopus master!!(very great work)..so keep goin'on man and i wish you best luck!! see ya!:thumbsup:
10 October 2005, 09:37 PM
ahoy hoy... just stopping in to say hi :D
10 October 2005, 11:22 PM
hahah This is brilliant!!
I love the male human's gesture and expression! Once in a million! XD
I adore the "ooohs" and "aaahhs" hahah they look great. You have captured the expressions very well!
The idea and the composition are interesting and funny, i really like it!
Good luck in the challenge!!
10 October 2005, 03:24 PM
First thanks for your post !
I loved the colors from the sky!
I looked your work in your website , and im sure that this will turn out great !
10 October 2005, 10:50 PM
Hey, all! Thanks for the notes. As the comments on the colors and shadow levels has trickled off, that much mean it's time to call the color comp done (or "done-ish") and get to actually painting!
I've spent some time today with Mr. T-Rex. I'm happy with the parts that are working, I'm not sure what to do with the untextured large chunks of flesh (which, by coincidence, is also Mr. T-Rex's favorite snack.)
On the left is the untextured version. I'm happy with everything but the blank spots. On the left is one attempt at texture, but I'm not sure it's totally working.
So what do you think? Got any ideas for the texture there? Any references to share? Or do you think my solution on the right works? Please let me know what you think.
10 October 2005, 12:32 AM
It's not bad, but kind of looks different from the rest of the style of texturing on the rest of the body. Not sure what could be done with the cheek area though, but i probably wouldn't go for something too realistic. Actually, maybe that texture pattern could work, but maybe make it smaller? Hehe, I'm a bad texture artist:P . Hope you figure it out soon, you've got 5 other dinos to texture:) .
10 October 2005, 06:34 AM
Texturing is looking good, but i do agree with ACE about the difference in texture. It feels a bit inconsistant. But i really like both textures, maybe just choose one.
peace bro :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
10 October 2005, 07:16 AM
not everyday you can see such a cute and happy T-rex... :bounce:
try with the same texture but a tiny bit smaller and maybe not so strong...
10 October 2005, 07:25 AM
Very cool characters! The sketches are great too!
About mr. T-Rex: I like the second version, the textured one and I think you should keep that feeling. Good luck!
10 October 2005, 01:31 PM
I think mr. t-rex definetely needs some texture on taht part, but at the moment those scales r too big. Try making smaller ones, not so stretch ones.. more round or something. Other than that it looks great (those details r one of my favorite parts on ur images).
10 October 2005, 04:00 PM
The one with the texturing looks slightly better or atleast more interesting, but it is only a minor detail in the huge picture and most of the people couldnt spot the difference if they saw the finished artwork.
Even thought this is cartoony work. I think you should brake up them planes to slightly different hues and shadows.
They all seem to crammed up into one place. Not necessary a bad thing, but something to keep your mind into :) Maybe even adjust the linework?
Not bad picture, but i hope it will amaze me more later on! :thumbsup:
Thanx for the critique on my piece! :)
10 October 2005, 12:27 AM
Okay, thanks for the feedback, folks! I've been thinking about what you all said, and come up with this concept. I'm still not sure whether i like it or not. I do like the fact that there's some sort of texture on his face, but the way I approached it may be a bit too mechanical. I'll have to see what else I can come up with.
...Or, maybe I'm stressing it too much. As Falcor_ pointed out, it is a small detail in a much larger piece. If the TRex were the only think on-screen, that'd be one thing. But he is a small part of the whole. I'll have to dump him inot the entire composition and see...
10 October 2005, 12:55 AM
Wow, looking very good. That texturing is great! Keep it up.
10 October 2005, 09:09 AM
Awesome image .....
Cant wait .... no crit so far....:deal:
10 October 2005, 11:17 AM
Fine style... Beautiful work!:thumbsup:
10 October 2005, 11:34 AM
it is me again ! Nice scales in the dinossaurs !
Is very good to see the steps of a great ilustration.
11 November 2005, 12:15 AM
great bumpmapping ;), cant wait to see more :) prolly the cutest t-rex i've ever seen :) keep it up mate, go go go!
11 November 2005, 08:18 AM
Falcor_ has right. But the latest one looks the best, although I dont know why u used that line of scales there? I know... when u r doing something and it goes slow, than u see a nice ornament that could be done and u go this way to entertain ur self a bit :D at least I work that way hahaha... Well, the latest onw is the best, but dont worry too much about it. Go on with the rest of the pic and u'll see if it works as a whole or not.
11 November 2005, 08:05 PM
Yup, i agree, that is definately much better than the other texturing. This has more of a consistant flow with the rest of the texturing on the Rex body :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
will come back for more bro.
11 November 2005, 10:26 PM
My goodness! I love your texturing. Really beautiful!
Detail detail! :thumbsup:
11 November 2005, 12:52 AM
Thanks folks - both for the tips to make this better, and for the nice things to say once I did make it better.
A special call-out to SquishMe - Thanks for the tips on your thread: I took what you were doing and applied it to this, and it's working so far.
And also, NinjaAssn - that line of scales is something that I noticed in one of my many Dinosaur Encyclopedaea. It showed many of the larger predators, like Tyrannosaurus and Albertosaurus having lines of scales like that, so I figured, they know more than I, let's give it a shot.
You're right about getting too absorbed in small details, too. So This is it for TRex for now. I'm moving on to Caveman, and I'll come back and revisit the scales and anything else that needs revision once I can see it all integrated into the larger piece.
Catch you all later...
11 November 2005, 05:39 AM
Well, I figured out why everyone was saying the contrast needed to come up. I switched back over to working on my Mac after spending a while on the PC (The PC has "issues" with the Wacom Tablet) and I noticed that the two machines tweat the color on the same monitor differently. So what looked good PC-sde looked crappy Mac-side, and uncontrasted, as folks were saying.
Oh well, I'll do some color shifting later on.
In the meantime, here's a caveman.
11 November 2005, 09:02 AM
Cool updates Mike! :thumbsup: yeah calibrating monitors is so difficult, not even sure mine is correct either...
11 November 2005, 03:56 PM
Yeah, I know. I've done a lot more for-print work on my Mac with the current calibraion settings, so for print i know it's more solid. But then, people will be looking at this with their monitors which ALL have different settings! Oh well, thank goodness for the late-game Levels adjustment layer!
anyhow, starting work on the sky...
11 November 2005, 02:25 PM
Hi, wairus, graphic style good, I supervise the continuation.
11 November 2005, 08:15 PM
niceI love the choice of colors that u are using, great stuff so far!:thumbsup:
11 November 2005, 07:18 AM
Good idea. With impatience I wait for development...
11 November 2005, 10:33 AM
Glad to know I can be of some help ;-)
Your sky looks great. If only I can get my clouds up to scratch.
Have you written any tutorials about anything you do?
I would love to get some insights into how you work.
11 November 2005, 03:19 PM
Heh, I actually have written up a really decent-sized tutorial on how I did my last CGTalk Challenge entry. It should be showing up on CGTalk... well, any time now. Originally it was slated for last month, but things got busy. So any time now, that should crop up on this site. Just wait for it! :)
I spent a while last night working on the sky, I hope to update it here today or tomorrow... Thanks, everyone, for the comments!
11 November 2005, 11:47 AM
Nice progression !
BUT some anatomical issues can be corrected, I think.
The man's right arm has no biceps ; the little finger of his right hand is too bent, impossible angle.
Be careful about his left arm too : the biceps has to be bigger than the triceps, and not the contrary as right now. And the hand is twisted in a strange way.
Muscles that should link his shoulders to his neck aren't visible.
I don't mean to be harsh : I like your pict, and I sweat on anatomy like anybody else, it's the hard part of a drawing. But if you fix it, I think it's gonna be even better.
Keep it up !
11 November 2005, 10:25 PM
Whew, thanks so much for the detailed crit, Arctis! That wasa pot with a lot of good thoughts in it. You bring up some excellent points, and I really appreciate your posting them so I can make my pic better. now that you've pointed them out, I can see what i need to do to fix them. I'll have to get to that...
... but in the meantime, i've been working on the sky. Here it is!
11 November 2005, 10:27 PM
Here's a close-up of the sky...
11 November 2005, 10:45 PM
Okay, so a little more explanation about what I'm doing here:
first thing you need for painting clouds is good references. Most of mine come from my own digital camera, and I have a big folder full of good sky shots. But occasionally i'll run across a great picture in a magazine, calender, or on the web. Save those and study 'em! I open up a whole bunch while I'm working on clouds.
The second thing you need are good cloud brushes. There are 2 good ways to get these: One way is to open Photoshop, fill a blank canvas with a black and white Filter>Render>Clouds, and then cut out chunks, shrink them down, fuzz out the edges, marquee them, and then Edit>Save Brush.
The other way is to save this file and do the step about selecting them and saving as brushes.
they've got a bit of noise in them and they work really well. But occasionally there's need for a traditional soft-edged airbrush too.
Wish i could tell you more but all the rest is just "Pay attention to detail and paint them well!"
11 November 2005, 05:32 AM
Very cool, the sky is coming along really great. Can't wait to see the rest, keep it up!
11 November 2005, 07:42 PM
Yea, the sky looks really nice. Maybe some softness here and there, but in general, very nice brush work. And come on.. show us everythink u got till now in one pic. Not just parts, its frustrating watching pieces of ur work and not knowing how it looks as a whole :D
11 November 2005, 08:14 PM
it's been a very long time since I went to your thread.
Well you should first know that I've abandonned my rock band thingy... and it's entirly your fault. I had quite the same idea with the meteor :lightbulb:twisted:
Anyway, your picture is 10x times better than mine, so I've no regret.:beer::bowdown:
As usual, you've got a great great style
Keep goin on
11 November 2005, 11:57 PM
Blaz - okay, okay, here you go: Everything that I have all together for now. But hey, forgive a guy for wanting to show off all those beautiful clouds without some silly dinosaur heads and an asteroid getting in the way! :)
cLos - Thanks. Here's "the rest" so far.
Manu - Oops, sorry, didn't mean to push you off of your idea! What I'm doing isn't that original, though, only one of a hundred entries with soemthing big going (or about to go) 'boom.' Mine just happens to be my own quirky take on the reaction to the 'boom.' I wouldn't shoot down yours, though, it's coming along great!
Anyhow, I still need to do some of Arctis' suggested fixes on the caveman, as well as all of the rest of the chracters... and less than a month left! Eek! Back to work...!
11 November 2005, 12:44 AM
good goin, old longtooth :thumbsup:
11 November 2005, 12:24 PM
i love your work. the colors are great. good job :) nothing to add.
11 November 2005, 01:41 PM
This image is going to be a killer (no pun intended)!!
11 November 2005, 03:43 PM
No critzs. Just want to say that it is looking really nice :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Keep going bro :bounce:
11 November 2005, 10:20 AM
hey mate.. i am still in concept phase so i wouldnt worry about a month left.. looking greata s usual
11 November 2005, 11:12 AM
Hey!I like it, I like it, in Spain we say "muy chulo!!"=very cool:wip: Like the structure of the clouds. Hehe, I want to adopt the little dino whoīs nearest to the girl:beer:
11 November 2005, 11:28 AM
Very good plot for this competition! Style of execution very much поджодит is not assured that... But I can be not right...
11 November 2005, 11:12 PM
very beautiful sky rendering. This will turn out great. But Iīm really looking forward the development on the water surface.
>reflections of the surrounding and the fireball + some little waves affected by the speed of the meteoroid.
11 November 2005, 06:51 AM
Hi, all! It's late, and I don't have time to respond to each and every comment right now, so I'll send out a big global "thank you" to all!
And also, show you what I've been up to: Here are 3 more dinosaurs, the Camptosaurus, Stegosaurus, and the Herrerasaurus. Boy, don't they look happy? :)
... on to Dryosaur and Cave Woman next... or maybe those flames in the sky...? Well, gotta hit them all!
11 November 2005, 02:42 AM
BEAUTIFUL! :thumbsup: I really like the time you've spent on the clouds and detailing. And the dino details are great with the texturing.
11 November 2005, 02:57 AM
Looking really nice Micheal, keep it up! I Like the fun in this image good luck with finishing it!:thumbsup:
11 November 2005, 05:04 AM
nice going michael~i like the dinosaurs bumpy skin textures:scream:
11 November 2005, 06:25 AM
Hey, thanks everyone, glad you're digging my pics so far...
...But wait, what's that you say? You want to see yet another cloyingly cheerful Dinosaur? Really? ANOTHER one? Oh, well, I guess I must simply comply. Here you go!
11 November 2005, 06:35 AM
I love this! The concept is good. The clouds are beautiful! And those little dinosaur facial expressions are just too cute for words! *googly eyes*
11 November 2005, 11:55 PM
Just getting some mor work done... Here's the caveowman.
(yes, Blaz, i'll put them all together on one page soon. No time right now, though. Sorry!)
11 November 2005, 12:26 AM
Looking, very sweet, great to see you work walrus, no crits from me, good luck!:thumbsup:
11 November 2005, 12:25 AM
Thanks, Beelow, glad you're enjoying it.
Here's where we are today: All the characters are now colored, but I will be doing more tweaking, this being just the 1st pass.
The background elements are mostly painted: I got the upper left trees and the mountains and volcanoes, but haven't yet touched the asteroid and its flames and the water.
I went back in to the caveman and made many of the changes that Arctis suggested.
That's it for now...
11 November 2005, 12:58 AM
I love the detail in the girl: the light and colour in her eyes, the detail in her hair.
The clouds are awesome! The whole feel of the image is great, and the dinosaurs are adorable :)
My only comment would be that the characters, particularly the girl, seem a bit dark. Perhaps if you added a secondary light that contrasts with the colours of the rest of the image; maybe a bluish light source coming from the viewer's direction. You already have it happening I think on some of the characters, but it is very subtle.
Maybe you could also add a slight ripple in the water. I am just being picky though. I hope you don't mind. I love this image and concept. :thumbsup:
11 November 2005, 04:56 PM
I agree with the secondary blue lighting, that would really bring the whole thing to life and expand the color palette. My only other concern with this entire beautiful image would be the expressions on the face. Though beautiful and well executed...is there a reason everyone/thing is so happy to see a giant firey mass crash into the earth? I think even cavemen would fear giant firey things that crashed...
11 November 2005, 03:07 AM
very nice michael~the line art of the crashing asteriod wouldnt be visible at the final outcome right?just wondering though~:)
11 November 2005, 03:38 AM
very nice style its people like you that made me rethink ,why not have fun with it for once
11 November 2005, 03:01 PM
why not have fun with it for once
Well, hopefully it's more than just once! No need to limit our fun to solitary occasions, y'know? :)
Anyhow, thanks for your comments, Lynch (and everyone else!) Yeah, I really like to try to have fun with things. I could have done people screaming and horror-struck and fleeing from the asteroid... but where's the fun in that? And besides, that's what lots of other people are doing in their entries. And my last 2 CGTalk Challenge pieces as well as my last freelance game cover were all scenes of fright and horror.... it was definitely time to change it up.
And so that answers your questions too, Ste7en.
Michael, you are right, the lines on the asteroid will be very much erased by the time I am done. But I'm still pondering what to do with that thing... I'm not the best at painting fire! :)
But likely I'll go in and eliminate more of the lines all over the place...
Lync - Thanks for your notes. Funny, i thought I already had a blueing light-source from off-screen. But then, every monitor is calibrated differently. This piece looks totally different on my Mac from when it's on my PC. And I still wanted to add a rim light in blue anyhow... Maybe I'll try puming the blue a bit more, see how it looks. Thanks for the idea!
okay, time to squeeze in a little painting time before work. See you all...!
11 November 2005, 10:46 PM
Thanks Sir Walrus for your comments.:)
concerning your work, i've to say that you've done a really good job with your background. Your dinosaurs look very funny. i like especially your TREX representation:D . There is a little thing that i don't love in your picture... the girl.. indeed, it's just my opinion and my taste, but i think that surely comes from its eyes.. :shrug:
Anyway keep goin on..you do a very great job. i wish you best luck for the deadline.
11 November 2005, 01:42 AM
Your latest update is looking wonderful. After seeing all the frightened people in horrific situations as I sift through all the submissions I now welcome the excited, inquisitive faces of the different creatures.
11 November 2005, 04:24 AM
At work this looks good, at home it looks Spectacular! Keep it up! :drool:
11 November 2005, 05:19 PM
Okay, so I tried making the characters more blue overall, which I thought was what Lync and Ste7en were getting at, but it just pulled them out of the picture and made them look as though they were standing in front of a mural. So I ended up making them less blue, but painting in a blue rim light, which always makes a pic look more professional. I learned that last Challenge. Try it. It works!
But as for how you isolate all the blue sections of your image and color shift them? That's some tricky Photoshop work, so roll up your sleeves:
So your selection channels are all just 8-bit greyscale channels, right? Well so are your RGB channels... ergo, they can be used as selections.
So I duplicated the Blue channel. That duplicate channel is a selection of everything that has any hint of blue in it. I used Adjust>Levels to intensify the values (and increase the selection amount by making things whiter... in other words, more selected.) But that channel still has red and green elements that I didn't want. So I loaded first the red and then the green channels as selections and filled with black.... Essentially removing red and green areas for the selection. What's leftover is a selection of just purely blue elements.
I created a new Layer (Layer, not Channel!) and filled it with with a red color, and set it to some ink like Soft Light or Overlay or Hue - your mileage may vary. If I'd wanted to accentuate the blue, I'd have filled it with blue.
Fiolka - Thanks for your note. Glad you like the TRex... What don't you like about the girl's eyes?
Ste7en - Thanks for your posts and advice... Glad I've "brought you around!" :)
Jose - Do you mind if I invite the judges to come over and all view my entry from your home?
11 November 2005, 06:17 PM
I just love your style...
and for once I have something more inteligent to say than "WOW", hehe... I have to agree with Fiolka, there's something in the girl's face... I think that her right eye might be out of place, it looks further from the nose than the left one...:shrug:
The lava coming out of the volcanos looks great, and thanks for your explanation in your last post, though I can't say I understood it all :D
11 November 2005, 09:55 PM
I love the blue highlights. The secondary lighting always works well, though not always easy to do. Love the explanation too.. always good to see how other people do things. :)
11 November 2005, 08:34 AM
Well, here we are with the big intimidating fireball. Not intimidating to the local denizens, of course, but I sure found it intimidating to work on. Don't know if I got it right, but at least it's something new to look at tonight. What do you think? Too saturated?
I've also pumped up the yellow in the clouds to reflect the fireball, and added some sharp yellow/white rim lights on the characters too.
Still on the list to get to: The "beach" and all of the water. And elmasfeo, you may be right about the eyes being misaligned on the woman. Thanks! I'll have to get to that.
...but for now, it's time for bed!
11 November 2005, 09:34 AM
Hey! I like this saturation. Perhaps I should define the asteroid more but the flame clouds and smoke are beautiful. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
11 November 2005, 10:43 AM
Spectacular for sure and.... soooo funny. Great image
11 November 2005, 03:11 PM
ROFL! Ofcourse you can invite the judges over to my place, but you have to come along!
Your Fireball is looking much better now as far as the lighting! The smoke trail is looking good too, I think it lost a little sense of speed though. Get some rest, this is looking awesome.
11 November 2005, 03:18 PM
Yes, this is so cool, I love the saturation in this, it is really starting to work for you, great stuff!
11 November 2005, 10:17 PM
A bigger fireball before before a big splash !!
What about the lake's reflections ? Mmmmh ? Okay a copy/paste wil help...:D
I do agree with Alexandre : the girl's eyes are a little weird, like they're showing two opposite feelings... Joy in the right one and sadness in her left one.
Anyway this is (agin) a great Walrus' picture
Keep going on
11 November 2005, 09:59 AM
Waaaaaaalllruuuussssssss!:D Your girl is looking very good for me, it's just her eyes that seems to me less better . so...lets talk about the girl's eyes...I think that the problem comes from her right eye... it should not leave as much, I have the feeling that it leaves its orbit. you should bring it closer to her nose. I hope that I am explained well... so anyway walrus, i insist to say that you do an incredible work!! YOUR T.REX MAN!!! i like him:D . keep goin'n on and see yaaaa!
11 November 2005, 10:11 AM
Fantastic Dashow cartoon style! :D
I like this one very much, idea is excellent :thumbsup:
Most I like clouds and dinosaurs. Keep great working! :thumbsup:
11 November 2005, 06:10 PM
Wow, a big pile of notes today... cool!
I actually got several hours of work done on the piece last night, but it was late and I neglected my household chores for a while: My wife dragged me off before I could upload the new stuff. :) But I did a LOT of work on the reflection in the water... NOT just a duplicate/mirror but some actual ripple work. Still need to paint the water's edge more, but it's a start...
but who wants to hear my TALK about changes? I'll post a pic tomorrow.
'Zalo - Thanks, glad the sat is working well. Don't think I'll define the asteroid more, it looks pretty when it's so shiny! :)
ilusiondigital - thanks!
Jose Pardo - Great, party at your house! (And my chance to finally meet Linda and Darryl, too!) I don't mind that the asteroid is slower... makes it more likely they'd have time to stop and look in the sky and see it.
beelow - thanks, man, glad you like.
Manu - okay, reflections tomorrow, I promise! As for the eyes... Seems like Fiolka meant the bulginess of her right eye and elmasfeo was thinking more of distance-to-nose needing a fix, but I see what you mean about the mood of her eyes. I've finally flattened all of the character layers together so it's now a good time to go in and make changes like that.
Fiooooolkaaaaa! - Thanks for the explanation of what wasn't working on the eyes. You are right. As are the other 2 who commented on eye fixes... they're right too. Good thing I still have time on this piece! :) Thanks for your enthusiastic help!
Rawwad - Thanks. Yeah, I love painting clouds when I can! :)
Okay, more later... I need to finish this thing up soon (I've got freelance work awaiting... :D )
11 November 2005, 06:14 PM
Hi Mike... Looking good! The lighting's working really well! Those clouds are something else! :)
11 November 2005, 06:19 AM
Thanks, Aly... 'Though I'm sure you will certainly have your share of spectacular cloudscapes too by the time we're through.
Here's the first pass at a reflection (along with a refined sky.) I have no clue how to model the edge of the water... Anyone have any ideas?
i've also made a few passes at the cavewoman's face... Hope her eyes are working better for some of you, anyhow.
11 November 2005, 06:38 AM
Wow.. here is real talent!
I love the fire storm, the clouds, the colours (I love saturation), the characters. My only comment is that while your new fireball is awesomely painted and looks impressive n all, I think it might be too realistic. That's what I liked about the old fireball/meteor: it was cartoony and matched the rest of the image. But thats just my humble opinion. You have to go with what feels right for you.
Top stuff! :buttrock:
11 November 2005, 03:58 PM
you gonna have to pull reference on that one, I so love google!:rolleyes:
Looks like you are almost done, good luck on your entry!
11 November 2005, 04:38 PM
Well, I did manage to find some reference, Beelow. Google image search is great... And so id having tons and tons of art reference books... and often being able to remember specific pices in them that might help! :)
so here's a detail showing the newly-painted shoreline of the great inland sea. And, of course, some if the characters in the lower right.
As for the fireball, Lync, that's funny, i thought this one was more cartoony! I still need to work on it more, i'm not totally happy with it...
...but that's the only part, pretty much. Now's the time to hit me with your small, picky details, people. I do want to hear them, this is the part of the process where I have not much else to do but fix them all, so hit me with what you got!
11 November 2005, 05:54 PM
Hi, Mr.Walrus. Iīd say...add some light touches to the water. For the rest of the image,itīs coming along great!:bounce:
11 November 2005, 09:13 PM
Woah! Nice detail! How patient are you? :)
I love the beach and the water. You lucky lucky thing: you are almost done!
11 November 2005, 12:07 PM
very slick Michael. I really like the background, the clouds - sand & water - not sure about the round thing on the central volcano - it looks either like a meteor about to strike the water (in which case it should be hot) or it is a crater - in which case it looks a little too much like a meteor...
well you said picky. ;)
I really like it
11 November 2005, 08:47 PM
I like your image, it's positiv face to face to the end.
PS: like your M&S enty
11 November 2005, 03:43 AM
No crits. Coming along great! Well done.
11 November 2005, 09:25 AM
Soooooooooo much better! Your girl looks perfect now for me.Good job Walrus!:thumbsup: very great work man! keep goin'on and good luck.:D
11 November 2005, 10:17 AM
Heh, i like it! Pretty cool :) Good job, man :thumbsup:
11 November 2005, 12:28 PM
great progress mike, always loved the way you work, and the new image is sweet n funny. keep up the great work, cant wait to see ya finnish this!
lol, can't wait to see ya add more details on your beach! some prehistorical waterpets would be fun as well and some crabs.. always loved those :)
keep on rocking mate, go go go mike!
11 November 2005, 05:15 PM
Oh, swell, here I am thinking I'm all done, and now you're making me do more research?! :/
J/K, I appreciate the photo and will see what I can due. But I have this magazine cover gig looming too, and am not sure I will have too much time to add more details to this aside from the requisite polish.
Anyhow, thanks all for the comments and notes. I'll definiately be posting some new stuff - the aforementioned polish - soon.
11 November 2005, 05:38 PM
this looks better and better :thumbsup::bounce:... Especially the girls' eyes. But i must say I'm not totally convinced by the reflections in the lake... But since you"re a perfectionnist... i could better you'll fix this soon. Maybe some highlights with the waves ?...
11 November 2005, 07:46 PM
Nice update walrus, I like the foam in the water, I agree with spacesnail, a little highlight in those ripples will do the trick!
11 November 2005, 09:58 PM
it looks so cute!! i love the way you coloured it. the colours are beautifull! cheers!! keep it up!!!:)
11 November 2005, 02:04 AM
Looking really great.
How about some more lighting on the water and volcanos?
11 November 2005, 10:27 PM
hi my friend! Looks great everytime I came by. Love the way u painted the water. I believe that now is the turn to finish the beach right? Some sand texture will work really fine I think. And than? anything else to add? or will u call it finish? I'd love to see some more details here and there (nothing specific have in mind and I dont even know if it will work) just coz I love watching ur creations geting more and mroe really fine painted elements :) And that I dont forget to mentioned.. asskicking effects in the air!
11 November 2005, 11:09 PM
It is magnificent! From thousand works I find out where your, fine work.. Excellent style:thumbsup:
11 November 2005, 11:30 PM
Lovely freakin Details bro :applause: :applause:
awaiting for the finish piece
11 November 2005, 12:29 AM
Thanks, all for the kind notes. Tomorrow is a holiday here in the U.S. called Thanksgiving. It stands for being thankful for a lot of things, but in this case, it's going to be a holiday where I say Thanks for Giving me time off of work to finish this piece! :)
Manu, Beelow, Squish, and others - yes, i will get to working on more hilights on the water. I actually painted a lot of them out - specifically the reflections of the volcanoes... which came down and landed right on the Stegosaur's head. He looked like he was breathing fire, it was very silly. So I've been a bit wary about the shadows, and i don't want them to distract from the other bright areas on the page... but I'll go in and work on them some more.
I might get to a critter in the sand, but I won't be adding a sand texture. The sand is too far away, it just doesn't need that kind of detail. There's this tendency in digital art to go in and add detail to everything, because you can zoom in ot just that section and think of it by itself, not in the context of a larger piece. But as non-digital painters know, you don't need the detail everywhere. Some things can just be hinted at. I still need to practice that more. I got carried away on the Stegosaur texture, for example. He's further away, he daosn't need as much as the Dryosaur and the Camposaurus.
And then I really just need to add some more polish to the whole thing. Hope to get that in over the next few days, and then I really need to call this done. Other work awaits...
Catch you all soon!
11 November 2005, 06:12 AM
Okay, here you all go - reflection on the water. And some other tweaks...
more tweaks to come, but mostly small stuff. Getting close now...!
Oh, and Sacha, i looked into putting critters on the beach, but it's just too cramped already, I think. Thanks for the idea, though!
11 November 2005, 07:07 AM
Very Cool! I'm glad to see this finished up, looks great man.
11 November 2005, 07:15 AM
I especially enjoy the texture on the dinosaur scales, are you planning on having a texture for the people's skin? I'm not sure what else I can say. From an anatomy point of view, perhaps the cave man's eye is a little too far forward on his face, considering that it is almost perpendicular to the viewer. Usually eye's sit back a bit farther and the nose shows, but since they're stylized you can get away with that sort of thing.
11 November 2005, 12:37 PM
Looks Great! Congrats on finishing up! :thumbsup:
11 November 2005, 02:01 PM
Itīs coming along cool.Come on, the last sprint!:D
11 November 2005, 11:53 PM
Yep, you are just about done.. in fact, I am not sure what else you need to do with it. Great work! I love it! :thumbsup:
11 November 2005, 01:33 AM
Yep, looks finished to me too. Great work mate! Onto the next!! :-)
11 November 2005, 02:02 AM
First of, congrats on a job well done! Seeing your work is fun and refreshing and reminds me of just loosening up a bit on my own.
I do have one small remark on the final pic however, and that is why isn't the t-rex looking at the falling meteor as his eye seems to focus on something else?
Good Luck & Happy Thanksgiving!!
11 November 2005, 05:53 PM
Hehehe! That's great! I love the idea behind this and just kind of the humor I like! :bounce: Great colors too! Maybe the shadow side of the characters could be slightly stronger. But on the other hand it works already so well.. Just have to mention the only thing that came to my mind. ;)
Anyway, one of my favourites I've seen around here. :love:
11 November 2005, 07:48 PM
i love the colours!!beautifull work!!!:) :thumbsup:
11 November 2005, 08:51 PM
Iīve been following this thread with pleasure just enjoying the progress.
Since I canīt find anything crit I just can pay my compliments for a great job!
11 November 2005, 07:09 PM
Hey, all, thanks for the notes.
Just because I've submitted Final Coloring does not mean I'm done with this thing. I still can do lots of tweaks and polish... if only I see them.
Pat - Good call on the TRex Eye. I think it's been noted before, but I've never adequately fixed it. But I have it now.
IceKatze - I tried some work on the humans' skin texture... and while it's in there a bit, at this low resolution, you can't see it at all. Oh, well! As for the caveman's eye, I see what you're talking about. I'll tweak with it and see what I can do.
Teemur - Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm pretty happy with the values right now, enough to not want to mess with it that much.
And everyone else - thanks for your posts of support, praise, and enthusiasm! :)
Other things I've tweaked with in the past day or so: Adding some more complexity to the flames in the sky (they felt too big for the asteroid,) darkening the upper left corner, adding some brighter hilights to the far background, some touches here and there to make things read better, little stuff like that. Any other ideas...?
11 November 2005, 03:43 AM
I hadnt seen your image until today, and I have to say I love your sense of humor. The irony in your piece is awesome.:thumbsup:
I went back to the beginning of your thread to view how you started, up until the last wip you posted. Looks like you have put serious work into the piece and it shows. I love the way you blend colors... you have such a smooth style and the way you blend colors into each other like the browns into the oranges on the volcanoes or that subtle yellow on the clouds is seemless.... you make it look so effortless!
The texturing on the dinosaurs is superb, I specifically like the purple spots you put on the dinosaur just below the caveman. Your foreground tree is also beautifully done, especially the leaf work.
In all honesty, the piece looks finished and I cant find any flaws. Great style and awesome concept... your execution is insane. Top notch work! - Joel
11 November 2005, 05:33 AM
Okay, added a few more sharp hilights here and there, brightened up the Pterodactyl... and most importantly, took IceKatze's advice on the caveman's eye, moving it back a ways. He now looks so much more realistic... ha, ha, no, just kidding, he's still a cartoony goof, but a better looking one now.
Oh, and Joel, thanks for your kind words. Glad you like how it's come out, and the steps to get there, too! :)
so I think this is about it for this painting. Figured I'd bump it one last time to see if anything can spot anything else fix-orhy. Most of you have already called it done, but I fugred I'd give it a dy or two more. Last call, folks!
I'm also starting work on my write up... And I have to say, I really hate being required to add one. In my mind, a good piece of art stands alone, without needing the crutches of a description, or narrative context, or what have you. The best pictures are the ones where everything makes perfect sense (or has an appropriate amount of ambiguity) and can't be made any better by the addition of some well-turned verbiage. There is a time and a place for pretty prose, and I'm certainly not against it. (Believe it or not, my college degree is in English Lit, not Art. I merely minored in Art and Computer Science!) And take no offense, this is just my opinion... but where else am I going to post it but here? I'm open to conversation about it, if others feel like posting their thoughts on the subject, too. I mean, I'm all done with the art part, might as well start an interesting conversation! :)
11 November 2005, 06:36 AM
That is so good I think I'm going to faint :scream: You are done in my book. Congratulations!
And about posting a writeup... I think it can help casual passerbys to understand what is going on in the scene and find out more about it. I agree that the art should speak for itself, however, sometimes an observer will have an interpretation but want to hear from the artist what the piece meant to them just out of curiosity. For example, I see all of these characters in the scene and notice the curvaciousness of the young lady on the right hand side. Then I look at the dinosaur to her left and wonder if possibly he noticed her curvaciousness as well and is preparing to touch her breast. Possibly giving the viewer a smirk as he reaches his finger out to do the dirty deed. This undertone could be completely contrived by me the viewer and I would never know if the artist intended it to have that hidden undertone joke unless if I read a thorough description of the piece and found out about those little nuances and meaning that may be hidden throughout. In the end, I think a piece can be enjoyed with or without the written description. It doesn't make too much of a difference to me...
11 November 2005, 06:55 AM
I'm glad my observations were useful! :) Those are the kind of details which I never catch myself with, but usually see when I'm looking at something unfamiliar.
If you are looking for something to write about, you could always use your intentions as and artist as a building block. Rarely to observers have the luxury of knowing what the artist was thinking, or even the real life context behind the piece. You could use the write up as your opportunity to press the viewers to evaluate it with their own narrative context. You could form the bulk of you write up as a series of questions that you would want to know about the viewer's reaction. Is the piece Ironic? Is it satire? Is it a bitter tragedy of innocence and good will crushed without reason? Is it just plain humorous?
In any case, I don't think giving names to each of the characters and writing out a little story for each of them (including their favorite foods and blood type) would fit the situation. :p