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04 April 2005, 02:45 AM
Lisa Cermak has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

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Well.. I'm finally done!

04 April 2005, 02:53 AM (

just the rough sketch, any thoughts?

04 April 2005, 01:38 AM
The composition is a nice balanced one, are you intending for it to be like a reversed role? the dog becomes the master?

04 April 2005, 02:07 AM
thanks for posting felix... yes I was intending the dog to be the master... I'm putting up some more work that I have done.. I think what I've worked on helps clarify that..

04 April 2005, 02:19 AM (

not exactly a line art milestone.. but I work on different things at a time

04 April 2005, 02:23 AM (

I resized it so you can see it..

04 April 2005, 06:27 PM
I recall a period of a friend trying to teach his Great Dane's to close the door behind them after they have opened it.. He would have to routinely get onto his knees and actually push and pull things with his head and nose.
I never witnessed it first hand. But I am sure it must have been a hell of a site!

At this stage your image sort of reminds me of what it might be like. I know that it is irregular that the man is on the lawn playing dead... and not the dog. But the dog looks like he is just looking at the camera while the guy is making a fool out of himself.
There is a sort of discriptiveness missing here for us to jump to the conclusion that the dog is the master.
Actually when I think of it.. if the guy is on his back doing things like that.. even if he IS the owner. I would hacve doubts on who is the actual master :)

None the less the concept is a good one. I'll try to tag along to see where it gets to


04 April 2005, 06:51 PM
hi lisa just dropping by to say hello and good luck...

too early to say anything about the image except keep the updates comming!

04 April 2005, 05:44 AM (

I started working on the body and the head of the owner a little more.. I was actually going for the master definitly being the dog and the owner being an idiot and rolling on the groung thinking that he's teaching the dog... when he's actually just looking like a fool... he could be playing dead.. thats another trick, but then his eyes would need to be closed. Do they look like they are looking at each other, or do I need to fix that?

04 April 2005, 05:48 AM (

ugh.. I did it again.. I made the file too small and you can't see any detail.. this should be better

04 April 2005, 06:56 PM
Eh eh eh eh!!!
Hi, u made me laught with this one!!! this is very cool concept! cant wait to see more, good luck!!!


THE Wizard
04 April 2005, 10:11 PM
Ha, ha ha ha ha...ahhh - funny, fantastic! Just lean the dog's head a little bit more to the left, to make his eyes say something like - What the hell is he trying to do?!

04 April 2005, 05:00 AM
Hi Lisa,

Your concept is playfully sweet. Warm and inviting lighting!
There is a tangent issue at the upper corner of the grassy area, where the man and the dog are lying on.
Also would it be more...narrative to make them look at one another?
My 2 cents.

Can't wait to see more.

04 April 2005, 07:11 PM
lookin really good lisa, I like the color relationship but I would say push the contrast between the man's outfit and the grass a little bit more.

04 April 2005, 03:09 AM
thanks you guys for the ideas.. I'l be sure to work on that... I'll be posting a new one at the end of the week.. maybe sooner..

04 April 2005, 11:00 AM
Hello Lisa;

Some changes I see! :)

I am glad to hear what it is you are actually going for now. And yes it is very humorous, and it sort of gives the feeling.
I really like the expression on the dogs face, but it is not really fitting the manner his body is depictedso far. Or the total of his stance just doesn't interact like I personally would search for with the rest.
What say you try out if he goes a bit better if you would move him more to the corner of the lawn.. so you would kind of be more eye-to-eye with the 'Servent'?

As for the guy, no, I think you did do a good job on giving the feel of trying to roll over. It is just going to have to show more as the details fill in.
Hey a crazy thought: have you thouhgt of going a bit more far and having him sort of make barking noises or at least have his tongue out? Sort of like really imiatating a dog rolling over?:)

Well it's going very good and the idea is fairly original. Good luck withthe rest of it!


04 April 2005, 03:31 AM (

well... I changed the postion of the sidewalk, I turned my dogs head more, I tilted the 'servants' head up and made his tongue stick out to be more dog like... and I started working on his shirt fabric... I really was thinking that I need to get more detailed in the face.. add some color.. and I'm going to start concentrating on getting his body done before I finish up on my dog.. then I have no idea how to do the grass... If anyone has any ideas of how to make the texture.. I'm all ears...


04 April 2005, 03:45 PM
Fun and humorous idea. The dog is looking great. Eventough there is a lot of texture in the guys hair, it tends to flatten because it's all in the same value. I know it's still in progress but you might add a bit more color in the skin. I look forward to seeing more.

04 April 2005, 12:42 AM
Nice Lisa, I like, you have some wonderful rendering skills. I want to see the rest of this polished off. Keepp an eye on the perspective. :D

04 April 2005, 02:08 PM
thanks you guys for the comments.. I surely will change that hair... I think I'm going to concentrate on getting the guy done first, then I'll move on to the dog and the background.


04 April 2005, 10:07 PM
Your concept is one of the sweetest amongst the others. Keep it up. Two thumbs up.
I am fed up with these demonic, thrilling creepy images of contestants.

Still you have time dont worry. Scene will be better I think.

04 April 2005, 05:14 AM (

Well... sorry that I haven't posted in a while.. but I was finally able to get to it again.. as you can see I've worked out his clothing, the grass, shadows and his face more... I'm open to any suggestions.. I'm still wanting to work on his facial expression more.. and I know that the hands and feet need work.. I appreciate all the feed back that everyone has givin me... I especially like the fact that everyone like the concept..

04 April 2005, 10:24 PM
Hi Lisa,
Your piece is looking very good. Very charming. I love the warm sunlight that you were able to captured quite masterfully. The textures of the grass, his shirt and short are just stunning. Kudos to you!
Just a suggestion of personal preference rather than a necessary about deepening the intensity of the shadow just a bit? The layout of your shadow now is already an effective framing device; however, would it not be more "to the point" if you accentuate it a little?

05 May 2005, 01:51 PM (

well... I started working more on the details.. got the idea of the hands and feet.. still needs work though.. I fixed his body and the face... I worked a little on the dog.. but she needs a lot of work... I'm getting there!

05 May 2005, 03:50 AM
Well.. I haven't done much since I last posted.. but I was curious what people were thinking and I haven't gotten any responces.. so I thought I'd post to get ahead of some of the pics...

05 May 2005, 11:26 PM
Hi Lisa,

His hands look great!

05 May 2005, 10:49 AM
Lookin great!!! the colours are workin good...this picture has a very nice warm in it! i really love the composition!

my finished MASTER & SLAVE: (

05 May 2005, 05:27 PM (

Well.. I'm finally done!

05 May 2005, 04:35 PM
You'r peice came out very nice! You have a wonderful rendering ability! I evny that.
And oh corse I will keep in touch. here is my e-mail


06 June 2005, 03:11 PM
Thanks to everyone who gave advice.. it really helped!

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