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03 March 2005, 02:41 AM
Mohanned Abbas has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

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...oops...I doodled with it...

03 March 2005, 02:47 AM (

a thought occurred to me and I liked it...

03 March 2005, 03:29 AM (

some colour for suggestions

03 March 2005, 04:33 AM

Nice Concept! Simple yet effective. Maybe a bit static, but if you can pull it off, and paint it to convey the mood instead of just the moment, that could really rock! I like the pose, but not too sure about the arrow in the neck... :)

03 March 2005, 04:35 AM
lol...the arrow was a protecting serving your country is a pain in the picture will be updated soon, kinda fining the details...

03 March 2005, 05:22 AM (

more colours, adjusted the image...the flag is in the hand, makes more sense to me, waddaya think?

03 March 2005, 07:38 PM (

adjusting colours, lots more to do, will add a tree remnant to the right, and a clouded sun to the left...

04 April 2005, 12:58 AM (

more adjustments, just makes sense....
anybody there?

04 April 2005, 06:22 PM (

omg is this taking its time, by the way it's my first painting, I normayl sketch, but not go further, so I apologize if it's taking time to get the quality up...

04 April 2005, 08:12 PM (

oh man, this is getting difficult(I hate being a perfectionist, that's why I only sketch...) I recoloured and reshadowed(perlimanery colour only mind you) 5 times(not kidding) :eek:

04 April 2005, 07:12 AM (

another concept, same theme...

04 April 2005, 03:17 PM (

hey guys, I know there are no replies, but this is for the viewers, I went with this concept because of the detail amount is higher, the light source is very suspicious, I'll try to make a choice later on, I ran the pic through a cutout filter, to decrease the details...

04 April 2005, 07:34 PM (

waddaya think?

04 April 2005, 03:32 AM (

hmm...getting my first painting, I know I know, needs work...working and listening to evanescence(great cd)....

04 April 2005, 03:34 AM
btw, the above is just the colour pallette with diffuse, to accentuate the lighsource( :rolleyes: )...waddaya think?

04 April 2005, 03:56 AM (

the colouring is getting to where I want it, but my experience level is so low I get lost sometimes :argh:

04 April 2005, 05:26 AM
looks like u've got sum potential sketch, keep it up dude, and goodlux!:thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 02:52 AM (

trying to work on the shadows...I've been toiling at it, kinda fun....

04 April 2005, 04:32 AM (

hmmm....can't stop, help...addicted personality kicking in....

04 April 2005, 07:52 AM (

just the belt, some shadowing too...

04 April 2005, 07:01 PM (

the flag and the background will be next(as soon as I stop obssessing over the character :rolleyes: )

04 April 2005, 04:12 AM (

more adjustments...will start the bg(if I stop obssessing) :cry:

04 April 2005, 06:04 AM (

Finally had the power to add the stick, phew...

04 April 2005, 11:46 PM
Bold and strong colours.
needs a bit of sharpness though.
great paint style.
start the shdow and the ground work already.
overall, this a good start.
Good luck

04 April 2005, 03:49 AM (

okay, so the addition of the flag is on...have to get photo reference for cloth draping...

04 April 2005, 04:19 AM (

this is for the shadow lovers, if u have suggestions please post...I am still learning shadowing correctly(due to the fact that the pose is not photo referenced)

04 April 2005, 01:14 AM (

flag positioning, and the study for the shading...

04 April 2005, 03:17 AM
Hi, I'd like to say that I'm quite disappointed that not a lot bothered to reply, I've been updating the piece and posting critiques and commentary on many others, after all this is a forum. This is my first painting, There has to be mistakes, lighting, colour scheme, something...well I just wanted to say the above....thnx for looking at it...

04 April 2005, 04:40 AM (

flag wip...

04 April 2005, 04:20 AM
hi all, I'm busy with assignments and exams, and a loss of inspiration...I'll be back when I'm out of my mood swings...


04 April 2005, 05:20 AM (

I did this to try to get some cloth draping results...It took 10 mins...pencil and paper...I think looking at michaelangelo's works(2 nights ago) affected me...

04 April 2005, 03:28 PM

i know. its annoying when you put in the effort and people dont reply. i know- trust me!!!

one question? which painting are you actually going for? then we can start to talk about it.
but they are good so far.
c u.

04 April 2005, 03:47 PM
thank you very much chrismoose101 for replying...

The piece I chose is the modern soldier, people can relate to it more, the latest sketch was a cloth study to help with the flag I'm going to wrap the stick with. The bg is still in works, my mood has been not very relative to painting...will update as soon as I start painting again...

04 April 2005, 03:51 PM
its looking good,keep goin.

no one is replying??,this is because iur supposed to be interacting with others also,and reply to there threads,u can't just sit back and expect floods of replies.

i don't how active u are in other posts,but if ur not doin so,that cud help.

keep at it!

04 April 2005, 05:01 PM (

this is the final sketch, I've decided to go with this one, funnier and a little more dynamic, anihialate it...

04 April 2005, 05:32 PM (

alright people, this is cleaner, your comments extremely needed, time is really running out...

04 April 2005, 06:08 PM
this may be difficult,but aim for a more dramatic pose,this angle looks flat ,and doesn't look dynamic.

hope that helped.

04 April 2005, 06:27 PM
I thaught about it, sketched a couple more dynamic, but I seem to loose the the military staticity, I kinda want the picture to feel obedient, yet the characters are too bored and tired to be. hmmm...I hope it's clearer...Oh by dynamic I meant the weight distribution on the characters' poses...

04 April 2005, 08:53 PM (

colour blocking and line light source chosen yet...

04 April 2005, 08:58 PM
Hum ya know, it might not be the best idea ever to first block in colors and some shading and Then pick lightsource. But that aside, how about placing the sun right behind the flag so that it shines through? I think that'd make the whole 'serving the flag' idea clearer. (As it is, it took me going back over your posts to figure it out.) And a question - why is the leftmost soldier kneeling? The emotion he is expressing and the logic behind the pose aren't clear to me. :\

04 April 2005, 03:02 AM
Oh, sorry, to clarify...

Soldiers are purely servants of the flag. One of the soldiers cares for the flag, and the other for the pole... I tried to capture the two sides of soldiers(as humans and as unargumenting servants of the flag)...the soldier on the left was supposed to be captured at a natural state(tired, absent minded, and caring about something other than the flag)...
I hope the above clarified the piece...thnx for the critique...

as for the lightsource...I'm gonna try my best to incorporate...

04 April 2005, 04:49 AM (

okay, I decided to go with a light from the right, I tried from behind, but it hurt the details...I isolated the line work from the the detail work is next...I'm going for a minimalist approach, due to my lack of knowledge in painting(not sketching), and due to the symbolic nature of the piece, I want the overall picture to be looked at, not the details...

04 April 2005, 04:50 AM (

okay, I decided to go with a light from the right, I tried from behind, but it hurt the details...I isolated the line work from the the detail work is next...I'm going for a minimalist approach, due to my lack of knowledge in painting(not sketching), and due to the symbolic nature of the piece, I want the overall picture to be looked at, not the details...

04 April 2005, 04:52 AM (

I posted wrong file

read the above for details

04 April 2005, 03:54 PM (

learning from W!ll, I posted the way I work...The amount of layers increases as the amount of detail is added...C&C are welcome...

04 April 2005, 07:06 PM (

okay, so I thumbed around with the bg, I adjusted the shadows accordingly, c&c are welcome...

04 April 2005, 04:54 AM (

hmmm... getting there, really difficult task, I would really appreciate some input...thnx...more to come

04 April 2005, 04:04 PM (

I worked on the flag abit, I think I'm going with this basic colour, I'll add a couple of shades for cloth pants, boots, then ground...last will be the flag pole...

04 April 2005, 07:50 PM
good work man.
I like the concept its very nice .and I wish a good luck for you !

04 April 2005, 03:14 AM
Hi Mohanned, Since the main lightsource seems to be the sun back there, you could try work in some backlight and on the frontside of the soldies some complemetary accents in the blue and purple spectrum. (not blue soldiers, just shadow tones) that would help the depht, i think.
keep on going:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 04:23 AM (

okay, so increased darkness, added a blue hue to the flash, hardly noticably, but more accurate, thank you very much all of you for the critique, it really helps, I am new to the paint world, so tones tips are a great help, more to come...

04 April 2005, 04:27 AM
You're welcome :) Well, i'm happy it helped you. am curious what kind of elements you're going to add to support your story, will be quiet a match to show the flag is the master, "ruling them all". keep it going, i'll be back to see how you get along :)

04 April 2005, 05:00 PM
hey we have the same knight concept... anyway. thnx for stopping by my thread, and looks like u got a lot of stuff to do on your concept, keep going & good luck!!

04 April 2005, 05:15 PM
Mohanned - Thanks for stopping by my thread! Can I suggest not oversaturating the colours too much...? How about the sun right behind them with some nice rimlighting... gee I'm cliched! :)

04 April 2005, 08:21 PM

the1st_angel: thnx man...I'll be right on it after the exam..

Poshspice: alright, I'll try to decrease them a degree or too, although it still have to have a darker effect...thnx vry mch

arkinet: yeah but yours rocks :buttrock: ... thnx 4 the moral boost :bounce:

04 April 2005, 12:45 AM
Boy as I read through your thread, have I noticed how lazy I have been in posting updates!! You have been literally very busy!

I am glad you payed attention to Sacha's tip. It seems to have aided your entry greatly... If you won't mind.. I would like to offer you to try one more thing;
Even in the desert, the sky tends to get bluer in the distance. Due to us seeing a more dence collection of oxygen. So what happens is, as objects get away from us; they get a bit more blue.
Like go out and watch the first sunset you get a chance to follow up on to. Even when the sky is dripped in red and ochre, you shall have the hill tops bleed to tints of blue.

Now all that said.. when you use a vibrant warm colour as your background (Yellow, Orange, Ochre etc...) You would sort of put the background to the foreground. these colours should be used wisely. Because they sort of demand to get a front row in your attention span. Just take a look at your image now and you will start seeing the way it is getting infront of your men..
A good way around this would be to introduc a colder spectrum as the distance increases. If anything in your sky.


Note: As far as I get it, you happen to have a very diffrent concept than that of Arkinet, since in yours the servivce and loyalty to the flag is what is depicted. Correct me if I got it all wrong.

04 April 2005, 05:01 PM (

working on enhancing the colours for dramatic effect, added a translucent gradient of purple, bg_wise: I'm thinking of wheat fields, tons of gradients to enhance emotion...

04 April 2005, 08:09 PM (

just testing the effect of the field...

04 April 2005, 04:35 AM (

slight changes and starting to detail the field, also added a flag thumb...

04 April 2005, 04:39 AM
oh, man I forgot to make a shadow for the did seem a little out of place...I'll do that 2morrow...I'm wiped...

04 April 2005, 01:11 PM
Hello Cha0t1c1;
Yes you seem to have been busy, would you mind if I try to blah, blah a bit again?

Now one of the first things that caught my attention was the size of the wheat fields. I understand your not wantint to have them higher than the composition, but judging from their colour staturation ,and there thickness, they seem very short.
If you have them in another layer, I would truely advise you to get them longer, or at least to mount the guys on a sort of hill that over looks the field.

The second thing is a little adivce for you to try out while colouring. It was a something I noticed more through your earlier sketches/colourings. You seem to be using the prush at it's 100 percent opacity. Try lowering that dramatically, and playing with it's blending settings. What it will allow you to do is to blend alot more colours into your forms. Sort of like for you to constantly change colours on your brushes like you had earlier. Just allosing transparent layers overlapping the previous colour. Thus makings a richer skin tone.
I thin I like the 'Mexican Velvet painting' effect that this image has. Especially on the soldiers. Such as to block out the colours. But then you would sort of have to do the same in just about the whole of the image.

One last thing that might work for you is on the flag itself. like what you hae already done in the back of the soldier in a controposto pose holding the pole.
You could add a highlight onto where the flag folds out. and where it attches to the pole. This would bring more depth to the motion of it's wavering I think.

Well going good. I think the field was a good idea to give depth. But I would have to say that it seems you may have to blend it in a little bit more to the whole of your image.


04 April 2005, 03:09 PM
Black: thnx lots buddy...I'll be incorporating your suggestions right away...I have been using layer for the piece, with transparency adjustments...I'll try the brush adjustments as you recommeneded, thnx again your critique is greatly constructive...

04 April 2005, 04:54 PM (

re-adjusted the field, thnx BlackDidThis... I played with the ground a bit...I put shadow for the pole...colours are still okay, but more work is needed...c&c are welcome...

04 April 2005, 07:58 PM (

alright people, this is how the composition is progressing...I think the development speed is on track...thnx for being an audience...more to come later

04 April 2005, 09:07 PM
Hi cha0t1c1
I've been a bit lazy to come to see your work. Well you've been busy about it. Nice progression.:thumbsup:
Don't forget the shadows for the grass. About the soldiers, their keens are touching the border of your canvas, i think you could keep some room there and play with their shadows.

Keep going on

04 April 2005, 02:32 AM
Boy that was fast!! :)

About the flag though.. you see where you have draw the line in the middle to indicate the fold to the back.. try to mak eit like lighter from there out. Especially to indicate that it is a shrp bend.. else the flag would have to be dearly long, then you would have a depth problem.

Would you like me to sketch on a screen grab?


04 April 2005, 02:59 AM
sure, I see no prob...thnx again...

04 April 2005, 05:12 PM (

wellllll, I thaught it might be fun and more expressive if I make the soldiers into ghosts...

04 April 2005, 03:53 AM (

I'm back to the real soldiers, man I'm in such a conflict...the flag is killing me...

04 April 2005, 04:35 AM (

alright, I finally found a way to sync the field to the characters(I hope)...your c&c are really needed...

04 April 2005, 03:42 PM
man I'm still wrestling with the bg vs fg...will update 2nite...

04 April 2005, 10:21 PM (

new bg, less intrusive more relative...I\\\'ll post the bg solely later...

04 April 2005, 10:26 PM
Dear God. those are alot of concepts. The last time i checked out this post i saw only on guy, so i guess it is safe to say, it has been a generation since saw it.
nice work.
By the way i love the background, it looks like a giant orange milkshake.
Keep it comin' my man!:applause::drool::arteest:

04 April 2005, 10:28 PM
sry guys disregard the above comment it is only my younger brother playing around with me...there is absolutely no need to take him seriously here or in his own thread... :D

hi bro...

04 April 2005, 11:52 PM (

alright, this is the updated bd...

04 April 2005, 05:43 AM
hey mate. nice progress. hope my pm helps u. my suggestion was to gove the scene a bit more room, also, uplift the flagg could help it a bit. check your pms, sent u a suggestion. Keep on rocking mate! the new bg has loadsa power, like it! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 06:32 PM (

I'd like to formally thank 1st Angel for the help... the idea was to expand to show more of the setting...this is a semi-rough, semi-done...waddaya think?

04 April 2005, 07:11 PM
hey thanks man....I know. Im so in the concept but I dont want to slash my scores due to the offensive nature...the religious aspect and all. I mean the concept is cool for the second and the lines are good but the first is so much more powerful. I hate to let her go but....any way, your stuff is off to a good start! ill be watchin for additions.

04 April 2005, 07:44 PM
thanks man. Ill keep that in mind.. im gonna color them both and decide then. im not sure but I think that your image would be more dramatic if you showed the face of the character holding the flag pole. or have him leaning a little heavier. to me it seems a little un personal. theres passion but im not close to it. I want to relate to them you know. I dont know if that makes sense but....ok. talk to you later

04 April 2005, 02:21 AM just gave me an idea, thnk u...:)

04 April 2005, 03:22 AM
So you're DULSHAD03's brother, nice to meet you dude. Your bro's been improving like crazy and i can see the same thing with your piece. You got a nice piece going on here with a cool concept. The warm colour pallete definately captures an audience attention. The overall composition is working, but i still think you are missing a couple of elements. Have you ever thought of adding a foreground and background elements to strenghten the depth of your piece, because right now it's looking kinda empty and it would also be cool to see a little bit more of cool colours. Maybe make the shadow's a little blueish to complement the warm orange of the overall piece. Oh and for the flag issue, the stick should be bending a little bit if someone is pulling it and the guy who's pulling the flag should have a little bit of a diagonal gesture. His upper body should be going towards the right while his lower body should be more in the left, because the weight should be more on the upper body. Play around with his gesture a bit more, because right now he's looking a little stiff.
Sorry for the long suggestions, hehe, but i hope this helps a bit. You have a nice piece going and i would like to see the end result. Keep it up and i'll check back later.

cheers :buttrock:

04 April 2005, 03:35 AM
I agree with the flag issue, will try to improve(thank you very much), but the pose I actually had my brothers try it. It is stiff though for militaristic reasons. As for fore ground and background, I'll be working on some birds in the bg( ;) ), and a soldier's equipment in the foreground, like a pack, cantine and others...

04 April 2005, 03:42 AM (

more colour adjustments...

04 April 2005, 07:02 AM (

more wip. added some bg and fg elements, adjuted shadow colours, to ease of the heat...

04 April 2005, 07:22 PM
Nice add ons. You know, i'm looking at your piece and just noticed that the camera is looking down a bit (above horizon line), i think you can add more depth into this piece. You see how you have a 1 point perspective going on and they look like they are on top of a clff or a mountain. if you could just play around with this idea of adding or showing mountain range fading through the distance, i think your piece will look a lot stronger. You kinda have it on your brush strokes if you notice it. Leave the 2 inches of the top part of your piece the way it is, but below that, where you see your brush strokes, evolve that into a mountain range fading in that one point perspective that you have. I don't know, it's up to you to try it out. Keep it coming, i really think it's getting better and better.

cheers :buttrock:

04 April 2005, 04:06 PM
oh man arc I was just deciding on that, I thaught that I could do the mountain range with gradient pallette(from warm in the center of the piece to cool in the shadows, right?
some snow caps for contrast...

04 April 2005, 04:26 AM
Wooow boy have you been busy?

Well firslty I have to say that I had really liked your wheat field before you applied the filter onto it. Do watch out while using filters as they really take from the depth of your works. filters such as embose are meant to be used for subtle changes or for surfaces meant to be left flat.
I understand your worry about trying to ensure that you have some extra dimension to the wheat straws...
I guess a good work around would be to set the history to just before you apllied the filter and then to slowly go around with the history brush; resuming the state of what it was like before the filter on some parts.. like areas you would like to put to the back ground.

I liked your new aprouch and especially the manner you have introduced some new elements into the fore ground infront of the soldiers. It has definately added more in.
As for the shadows of the wheat... It is a good idea to allow them to drop a shadow.. but when you are to paint a shadow onto them.. you may want to set your blending settings to multiply or colour burn. So you won't loose all that brush worked textures in the meanwhile. Not to mention that you should draw he shades onto the wheat also with a variaty of strokes.

I did your flag days ago, but never had the time to upload it.. sorrry.. well here it is:

I didn't do anything at all on it. I just took the dodge tool and highlighted a few areas to give it more logical a depth. I like your new aprouch so as to really have him stretch the flag; but in any case you are going to have to loose the habbit of contouring everything when you are trying to colour it in. Allow some things to be done with just plain colours. and tints.
And also.. I think you made the flag a little TOO elastic. Try to remember that it is a cloth. Take an existing cloth and try examining it. to sort of see what makes it cloth.

Well typed alot again.. sorry...


04 April 2005, 05:02 AM (

omg, the piece has more elements, if it weren't for you guys I would've left this piece as it was. thnx for the ideas, it's really making me see where my limits are, and what I should improve...

04 April 2005, 06:45 PM
Hey, cool. You added hills on the back. How about adding two more on the left side, fading. I still think that pole needs to bend a little bit if he is pulling that flag. Will be checking again later. Thanks for dropping by my thread dude.


04 April 2005, 06:55 PM
thnx arc80 , your support is always appreciated... :thumbsup:

will try to get some adjustments done, lots to do...

04 April 2005, 01:27 PM
nice painting.:thumbsup: and cool idea.
good luck to u.

04 April 2005, 05:36 AM

I'm quite flattered, I love ur work btw...

04 April 2005, 07:34 AM
I just noticed something in this last visit:

Because I always knew where the flag had come from and what the whole action was, it all seemed ok.
But shall you take a look a bit more objectively you will notice that it sort of looks like he is trying to rip the flag into two!
Probably because of the extreme distortions to the tips from the stretching... You may want to tone that down to a more natural feel/look.

I really liked your introducing some background elements into the image. It was really demanding for one.
I don't know if it is intentional; but the skirts of your hills being out of view suggests an illusion that they are not at sea level or anything, but at a very high altitude... like on top of a peek or something.

So whats next? Diffrent colour aditions? New elements? Tweeks? :)
It is very odd to look at what you image was at first and what it is now. It has come some way.
Good luck with it all!


04 April 2005, 07:40 AM
thnx black...Yeah I noticed how tense the flag is, thinking of re-adjustment...the hills will be turning into mountain tops, I just feel out of the mood, but will try to get on the horse again soon...

04 April 2005, 09:09 AM
Hi, maybe you can make the scenery more war torn by adding smokes and some debris. Also please try not to rely too much on the grass brush because it looks cheap and lazy. Instead of mountains, what about sunset with silhouttes of soldiers parachuting down and fighter planes sweeping and firing at one another. Exciting!

that was just my silly idea :)

You know, I kind of like the abstract feel of your figures. I think you should have used the same style all over. Make it like fabric/printed art. That would be quite unique! No need to go for realism at all.

04 April 2005, 02:57 PM
thnx dude, as for the grass brush, I will try to get the final by hand...I also might incorporate the war idea, I kinda like it :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 11:13 PM
Wow you really went trough a huge progress again, love the mountainlevel it gets now. it feels like your 2 soldiers are somewhere on a highland, and the valey behind the mountains is of an immense size. your work won a lot of dephg. i advise you, if you add some smoke of war, work very decent, so you keep that feel of the epic athmospher wich starts coming up :)
Keep on rocking my friend!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 11:31 PM
you know how the flag looks like it is about to be torn by the soldier, i dont think that it is a mistake, i'd rather look at like the soldiers are rebelious so they want to stop the killing by tearing the most important thing to them, the flag. (that was a little vague, and i know that this is not what you were going for, but it is a thaught for an abstract picture.)

all for the best my man.

05 May 2005, 03:49 AM
I disagree with my brother, I will be changing the flag soon...

05 May 2005, 03:50 AM
thnx 1st, I will try my best to keep the feeling...

05 May 2005, 06:49 AM (

so, another mountain concept, but this time with cool colours for contrast...It took some time to get back into inspiration, thnx all.
btw the flag adjustments will be done soon...

05 May 2005, 07:54 AM
Man, your piece had improve so much...awesome :thumbsup: Just make the shadow of the moutains a bit more cooler. I can see you are putting more details and texturing. That's great dude. Keep it up. I wonder what you are going to do next? i'm curious ;)


05 May 2005, 04:59 PM (

hi everyone...So, after long deliberation colour adjustment mountain refining, gradients, this look sprang, waddaya think?

Edit: shoot! I messed up the shadow on the left gu's leg, will re-adjust asap...

05 May 2005, 06:04 PM
THe grass is definately much much better. The orange and yellow is a little too saturated though. It's making the eyes loose where the focal point of your piece is. You need to darken your shadows a bit too. Your fore, core, and cast shadows almost have the same value range. Hey...what happened to the props? I kinda dig those props in there :D

Keep it coming dude...16 days and counting :twisted:

cheers :buttrock:

05 May 2005, 06:25 PM
lol whys everyone say 16 days left? blah blah,artists in the industry have to make illustrations within 3 days,16days is more than enough.

look good chaotic!

05 May 2005, 08:45 PM
This latest adition has helped alot for sure.

The background is very good with the introduction of colours. But the thing here now is that it is a little bit too liveley.
Try putting the lightness a bit up, the saturation a bit down and glide the hue more to the colds.. and see if you like it like that.
Cause in this state the background is going to do what the much earlier uniform background had done, and get up to the front.

I like the aditional care you showed to add a contour of dodging around the guys. Especially the one grabbing the flag. But remember this also.. if a character is between a lumination and us.. it is most likely for us to see him a dear bit darker from the illusion of the lumination.

It's all really improved massively!

Good Luck!


05 May 2005, 08:49 PM
wow, really like the colours and shadows. cool style youve got going here. i like it!

05 May 2005, 02:40 AM
thank you all very much for the support...

arc80: the items will be added :) ... the flag is in process, it's just hard trying to get the right stretch force...

Black: thnx, I did the colour adjustments, will post soon...

Mordalles: thank you very much...

05 May 2005, 02:52 AM
first of all, since this contest is coming to a bittersweet end, I'd like to thank by name(and in no particular order):

BlackDidThis: for his great and amazing help, and the push he gives me, and incredible modesty. Really he is a great example of the artist in the background(the one who produces amazing work, yet he never says he is the greatest-when he is).

Arc80: for his incredible insight help and encouragement. btw, if you only know how limitlessly talented he is...thank you again my friend.

Spacesnail: for making me feel good by encouraging me from time to time.

This painting is the result of the encouragement of the above and the rest who were amazing by setting a kind word...

05 May 2005, 05:18 AM
Hey Mohanned, thats quiet a big change. just a sm,all suggestion. athmosphere has a color. that causes the illusion of depht. also the frontpart, i'd keep the mainlumminance, to keep the highest amount of contrast in the foreground. i like the glow you added on the soldiers. as for the mountains, i'd add the layer of the sky over it and played with the amount of oppacity, that immediately tones the mountanis in the color of the sky, and would ballance the weighting a bit out. try to paste the sky between mountains and the mainscene on 30% first, if its helping, try 50% or whatever you like. and on the mountains behind the first layer of mountains, past the sky again and erase the shape of the montains in front of them out on the pasted sky layer. I hope i did write that a way it would make some sense. :D
and dont worry, there are still 18 days left to get the best out of your work you can :)

keep it up Mate, have fun c you soon:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 04:32 PM (

thnx 1stAngel... I did as you said...
I also re-adjusted the flag...

05 May 2005, 05:23 PM
Thanx for the visit! :thumbsup:

I'll try to help you out with your picture if i can think of anything.

I think you should try some techniques how to draw the viewers eye to the flag and the guys near it. Try graying down the background with blue tint.

Bring some of the harder hilites from the previous version back to the guys and the flag. Not all but some to capture the viewer :)

Just a tip if youre using hard sunlight also the foreground details and grass will have to have as dark shadows. Equal amount of lit areas and shadow areas.

Remember that even skin reflects light.

Strong points in your picture i recall are those sharp muscles. Good work specially back muscles. Got any reference for it?

Keep at it! Only two weeks time left! :bounce:

05 May 2005, 05:26 PM
thnx alot Falcor, I just realy like ur work :thumbsup:

I used noreference, but I do have an extensive knowledge in anatomy...

05 May 2005, 06:14 PM (

oh man, third submission...alright folks as Falcor said I re-adjusted hilights, but the grass I might leave for abstract reasons, I added a blue hint on top of the piece, as a sky reflection...thnx Falcor and 1stAngel...

05 May 2005, 06:20 PM (

read above post, this is the right image :shy:

05 May 2005, 08:28 PM
THat's looking good. Very nice improvement. Now the only thing i could critzs is your characters are looking a bit cut outs. So maybe fix the edges a bit. Everything else is looking nice. We'll be checking again dude. :wavey:

btw, you didn't have to say that. I'm always glad to help out others and it's also a learning process for me. I think i'm still a beginner and have a very long way to go. I don't think i deserve that complement, but thanks bro :blush:


05 May 2005, 05:46 AM (

oh man, trying to get rid of the cutout feel to the fg, I'm trying to add some sss...colour adjustments...the works...waddaya think?

05 May 2005, 05:57 AM
The colour of the last post before this (#115) is much much better. It's more balance too which i think it goes with your overall theme about the military. This one is, the warm colours got too saturated again. Oh about the cutout feeling to your characters, new layer - soft brush - lower the opacity of the brush - grab one of the colours of your background mountains and from there just paint the edges to blend it a bit. After that, it's up to you to adjust the layer blending mode (multiple, darken, etc). Just a thought, have you ever thought of setting your piece at night time and having a secondary light source in a warm colour.

Keep it up dude. I think you are doing great :thumbsup:


05 May 2005, 06:11 AM
the layer separation works fine, just... the colorscheme in the background still swallows the forground. maybe a bit more decent use uf the colors?
keep it up mohannad, and.... the sky may conntain a full rainbow spectrum, but you rarely will find it on a mountain, except there's a rainbowsegment in friont of it. maybe try a sunset and blue attenuation?

05 May 2005, 06:26 AM
thank u guys, ur great all I have to do is absorb some of ur talents to perform the adjustments :D :twisted: j/k ... will update on the weekend, or thursday...
Cheers all

05 May 2005, 05:42 PM (

quick adjustments, waddaya think?

05 May 2005, 04:24 PM (

night time? or the other?

05 May 2005, 12:16 AM
...BlackDidThis: for his great and amazing help, and the push he gives me, and incredible modesty. Really he is a great example of the artist in the background(the one who produces amazing work, yet he never says he is the greatest-when he is)...It is such an ironic feeling to come to a thread with the intentions of complimlenting the developments... And then ending up reading a compliment to my person! :blush:

Mohanned; I have little I can say other than thank you. I am very happy you think so But most of what was impressive was through your own learning. Just go back and look ath you developments.. how far you have gotten yourself. I know people that work hard to get to things, and I know those that be a bit ugly and ambitious.. you are definately one that examines things to find ways to apply them to your own work flow.
As much as it is so wonderful that you are able to not forget your thanks.. you yourself have done alot, much more than anyone you listed has done for you, me included.

I really like what you have done with your image... especially with this one and the last!.. they are really becoming something else.
I would like to how ever offer you two methods to try out; like firstly try to blur the mountains instead of smudging. And opition would be to add some noise or texture to it in places first, since you are going to blur them to get a better DOF.
The second thing is for you to keep the fog in a seperate layer and leave it more to airbrush strokes. once again instead of smudging it. Yes you are right... you DO see an amount of pulls and tugs in fogs.. but at that great a distanse they have to be alot more 'light'.. 'puffy'. I am not saying maek them into cotton balls.. I am just adivising you to find a method in between.

Not too much to say actually, since it is so much greater a pleasure to come by and see what you have discovered last :)

Good Luck!! :thumbsup:


05 May 2005, 03:07 AM
Quite a change there dude. I pretty much agree with BLACK about the mountains and the fog.
I would also go with the sunset/dawn kinda setting. The night time is not dark enough to be night time. Keep playing around with it more, but not too much that it'll make you miss the deadline, hehehe.

Oh yeah, does the green flag signifies something or did you just change it for the hell of it?

cheers bro and very awesome improvment I might add :thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 03:19 AM
thnx BlackDidThis & Arc80, I'll try to get the adjustments done soon...:thumbsup:

not much time left :bounce:

Edit: oh btw the green simplifies calm and prosperous country....

05 May 2005, 05:07 AM (

as dear as this piece is to me, I'm having doubts of presenting it...but the tips given by BlackDidThis and Arc80 have helped quite a bit. Also 1stAngel and Spacesnail have been great help...

05 May 2005, 05:52 PM
Ah here I am, sorry it took so long ot get to the thread! Anyway! :D

The poses are VERY expressive, very very bold and they sure show a lot of emotion - I'm loving it a lot!
One thing I would love to see on the piece is some bolder lighting - it would make it feel really complete. Say some sunset or sunrise, with some sharp light falling down on character's backs perhaps, making them pop out more? I think it would add to the overal drama :)
Just an idea though.
As for the background - are you planning on adding textures? The mountains would use some - not even "photorealistic" but it would be cool if they had some texture painterly hinted or something (sorry for the lack of proper vocabulary), also, it would be awesome to see some more defined clouds! I'll be definitely waiting for an update.
And again - I love those poses a lot!

05 May 2005, 10:06 PM (

I improved bg, mountains, but waiting for more crits...

05 May 2005, 10:13 PM
That is a nice improvement bro. I don't know what others will say, but i really like the way you painted the background. Now i see your piece as a fine art piece. If you can kinda replicate that kind of painting on your characters and the grass, then i think you have a really awesome Impressionistic piece here.

BRAVO DUDE...BRAVO :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 02:32 AM
thnx Arc80 and Blackeri

I will try to approach the foreground with the same hyperly diffused lighting and effects...

btw the bg is the result of a smudge stick, a brush, and an eraser over three layers set to different types ofblending options....

cheers and thnx again...

05 May 2005, 03:36 AM (

as mentioned above...getting close to the end view...I hope so...

05 May 2005, 05:06 AM
very cool. now it reminds me a lot of van gogh with those stuctures in the background. looks very cool Mohanned! keep it up mate!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 05:08 AM
thnx a bunch 1stangel...btw I dropped by ur thread, I just can't compliment anymore unless I start sounding like a kiss ass....:D

cheers m8...

05 May 2005, 09:29 AM
That's looking good bro. Just be careful now, because your bright areas on the foreground and background are becoming one value range. But the style is now becoming one and merging. AWESOME :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


05 May 2005, 03:59 PM (

okay, now it's C&C time, be brutal...

05 May 2005, 06:02 PM (

okay, now it's C&C time, be brutal...
Hey Mohammed....crit time..:twisted:
Remember, it's personal, not business :D . First of all, I like the light on the ground between the characters, that might just be my favorite part of the entire picture! I really think you should scale back on the smudge in the background, on the clouds and such- it is a little over the top and doesn't give a nice, soft effect like I think you were going for. If I were you, I would select a largeish brush with low opacity, select the 'airbrush' option and go for it.
Another thing is that the saturation is spread rather unevenly throughout the picture- the clouds are heavily saturated, but the figures/mountains/grass are not. Saturation adds interest to that area, and you are drawing attention away from the focus of the picture.
Also- the shadow on the kneeling man would not fall so low down on the back- pull it up a little higher. Sorry, hard to explain! One more thing- the bottom halves of both people are a little too small!
(I always make mine too big, we should pair up! :scream: )
Boy, these were pretty harsh crits. Hope you don't mind, or consider me arrogant or anything. Just trying to help, you have really come on in leaps and bounds during this project and I can't wait to see the final submission.)

Cheers, :applause:

05 May 2005, 06:10 PM
too harsh :D

I'll get on that tonight, it really helped thnx dudette...

05 May 2005, 11:02 PM
Hey Mohanned! i would say the smudge some how fits. if its all over your painting and working as an effect. work on various scales to keep most details, andkeep it going as an all over style. if not, then tweak it more decent. hope that makes sense. as mentioned in the post before, I like the van gogh style your work stats showing up like. to help plasticity, i'd suggest to paint the shadowareas in the grass around the soldiers with the shadow color and the grassbrush on the edge of the shadows, that will help the eyr to buy it as grass and not just as a texture, or eventually just smudge the shadowline on darken mode partitially decent upwards to break the straight lines.
keep up the great work my friend!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 03:56 AM (

this the final...I think...please crit before I submit the final...

05 May 2005, 04:48 AM
Dude, the flag looks like it's burning. I don't know if you intend to do that, but if not, then just put it back to the original form. You don't have to use the same technique to every element you have. Actually, it'll look good if you keep the flag to it's original way. It'll be a nice eye catcher that will lead to the two main characters. So in a way, your flag will simulate the theme of a MASTER and the SERVANT will be the two humans. Well, that's my interpretion. I don't know what others will think, hehehe. This piece is a very impressionistic style. The effect really works with your piece (somebody found a nice way of painting, hehehe. lucky bastard :argh: ) AWESOME and i give you mad, mad, props for one of the best improve here in this challenge :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :applause:

If there is a digital gallery somewhere, i suggest you try and submit this. I really think you have a fine arts piece here dude. GOodluck bro!!!

cheers and keep in touch, because this challenge is almost over :cry: :cry: :)
(man, i should stop abusing the smileys) :twisted:

05 May 2005, 05:24 AM
I agree 100% with archie, Mohanned. You really put in so much power, the strong bodylanguage and the burning hot all over work makes it a fantastic piece of neoclassical fine art. you went trough a huge process and I think you found your way to a very unique and strong digital style. keep on rocking my friend!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :applause:

05 May 2005, 09:09 PM
omg :blush: too much praise *ego getting larger*
thnx a bunch, this piece wouldn't have gotten to this stage without ur help guys and gals...

everyone helped greatly...thnx again 1stAngel and Arc80...

btw...I might keep the flag as a source of power in its burning look, just a little more adjustments :twisted:

good luck to ya all...gonna leave comments on ur threads too :D

05 May 2005, 10:25 PM (

thnx to all who helped, I will not embarrass them by mentioning names, but they helped guys and gals rock...

05 May 2005, 10:47 PM
Hi cha0t1c1

have you finally managed with the upload process ?

05 May 2005, 10:50 PM
yup, but my .tiff was uncompressed and the one here had to be under 150 was confusing to figure it out :D...

05 May 2005, 11:25 PM (

...oops...I doodled with it...

05 May 2005, 05:30 PM
Congrats on finishing Mohanned, you must be very proud!!

On to the next...!

05 May 2005, 05:47 PM
thnx....yup..I have a project coming up soon I'll post in the next weeks...

05 May 2005, 08:20 PM
So what if your finish... :rolleyes: hehehe, Looks AWESOME DUDE. :bounce: :applause: :bounce: :applause: :bounce:

Damn, too much coffee makes you abuse smiley's, hehehe. Keep in touch bro.


05 May 2005, 08:33 PM
of course buddy, my email is in the info...anytime u wanna talk...and I'll be bugging u often to get ur opinion...

05 May 2005, 05:21 AM
So you are finally done with it?!

Congratulations Mohanned! It was a great journey and I feel a privilage to be able to witness you walk it through out.
Some steps were smaller ones some were bigger, but in generally every step you took was a leap forwrd, in oth learning and in improving your image!

I have so much pleasure in looking at your first coloured impression of this composition to compair it to now... It is a great work with alot of expression flowing through out it.
The next rule from here on is to make one more.. and always force yourself to make it one step better... each time one step better than the previous.
I'm surethe magic has caught on to you and this will not be the only peace we shall be seeing from the Cha0t1c1 now is it?

Little left to say than to aplaud you for your hard works and efforts.. Good luck with the competition here on!


05 May 2005, 05:27 AM
Black: I guess all I can do is try not to disappoint the great people behind this piece...

now I'm blushing and trying to contain my joy as I read all of ur encouragement and compliments...

:clap: thank you my friend it's been a journey.....

05 May 2005, 05:31 AM
Congratulations on your great final piece, loving it! just wonderfull! Best luck on the Judgments and know you sure got my vote for your great work you put into here! best of luck and all the best!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 04:15 PM
Umm...did i say keep in touch.... i mean... oh crap, i did, did i. Man, me and my big mouth, hehehe, just kidding.
Anyway, since you and Sacha bombarded me with smileys (payback time), here's to you.

For one of the most improved and somehow found a nice nitch in painting (bastard :p ) i will :bowdown: to you bro. Keep it up and continue the good work my friend. You'll always have my vote and continues support :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

cheers (i hope this is enough tear jerker for you :D )

05 May 2005, 04:21 PM
bro that's just too hilarious(wipes tears from joy and laughter :D)...thnx a bunch(can't count higher than 2)

05 May 2005, 07:38 AM
congratulations!!:applause: :buttrock: :beer:
great work for ur final image.realy nice expression.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
goodluck to u.:)

05 May 2005, 03:53 PM
thnx's great to hear from you, all of you guys are making me filled with joy...kinda removes the nostalgic feeling...

05 May 2005, 01:03 AM
hi mohanned,
i havenīt posted so far but now i come cheering a little!
you finished! :bounce::bounce::bounce: and that is some shiny yellow you have going on here! :)

if you twinkle with your eyes a little it looks like a hot summer day.. with marram grass growing and seagulls in the air..<-- i think i definitivley need a vacation having such visions :eek:

good luck and best wishes! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:


05 May 2005, 02:30 AM
thnx was fun making it...

I know...I want some summer...

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