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03 March 2005, 05:13 PM
AJ Jefferies has entered the Master and Servant 3D.

Challenge Page (

Latest Update: Lighting: Composition Testing (

Just playing with a rough setup of the composition. The deadline has made me resigned to just the one bot in the scene. It does make it easier to put together but I don't think it will read as comically as I had intended...

C'est la vie!

03 March 2005, 05:15 PM (

Extremely crude concept. Basically, the idea is to have two ballet dancing robots being controlled by their master who eagerly watches their performance from behind the 'stage'. Early days... early days.

03 March 2005, 05:19 PM (

Here's an idea of the robot's design, I really want them to look as humiliated as possible, despite the fact that they were clearly built with tutu's.

03 March 2005, 05:33 PM
hahahahaha love this man!

glad you joined , we really have to finish this one man :)


03 March 2005, 06:19 PM
the robot concept is hilarious, i love it.. . im definetly going to be following this thread, cant wait to see some more updates

good luck

03 March 2005, 09:33 PM
first I would like to say is how cool it is to know that another jefferies is here creating 3d designs..and as for your work i really like it alot and i wish you the best of luck..

handsonfire (

04 April 2005, 10:55 PM
Hooray! awesome, fantastic ... Aj, my friend. :- ) glad to see you here at last.

04 April 2005, 11:00 PM
I love the design! Please show me more!
Good luck!

04 April 2005, 08:59 PM (

Started to model up the first bot. Keeping it all fairly simple. I greatly need to improve my texturing & lighting skills so I'll try to get as much detail/interest in the image from those areas as possible.

04 April 2005, 09:03 PM
Sheep, tdawg217, Ila & Ke V2 - thankyou for the comments & encouragement so far! Very appreciated. (It's up to you to update your thread now Sheep, don't let me down!)

hands0nfire - It's a small world... Who knows, we could even be related! Good to see someone else fighting the 3D corner with a great surname :D

04 April 2005, 09:10 PM
Hahaah... Greetings AJ_23, your concept and wips look reaaly cheeky, pulled a smile outta me really early in the morn. Cheers mate, and good luck with it all:thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 01:48 PM
Refreshing entry you got there! :)
The scale thing is very interesting, can't wait to see how this one turns out.
Keep posting!

04 April 2005, 07:13 PM
lol... great idea mate

04 April 2005, 05:06 AM
hi ,just wondering if there is going to be a human character in the composition, because it is a requirement of the contest!

04 April 2005, 05:22 AM
I simply LOVE the 'lady robot' design!!

keep it up! :applause:

04 April 2005, 05:35 AM
Hey Man!!

Really great idea!! love the progress so far ;)

Keep it up. :bounce:

Vitor Vilela

04 April 2005, 08:57 AM
hi ,just wondering if there is going to be a human character in the composition, because it is a requirement of the contest!

Yep - those circles in the background are the glasses of the inventor who will be controlling the unwilling robots... My concept sketch isn't very clear really, I might try to update it this weekend.

Thanks for the comments guys! :D

04 April 2005, 10:18 AM
:bounce: Oh AJ..u can't possibly know how happy i am to see u working on this....Lady Robota is my favourite...(although i think the surprise will come from Master's i right)

Keep going man..i am impatient for your updates ..and have fun.

(sorry for my bad Engrish) :D

04 April 2005, 04:57 PM (

Not a great deal of an update, just some legs for the bot to prance around on. The horrible sausage shaped shoes are place holders at the moment. I haven't decided whether to opt for ballerina slippers or enormous ungainly robo-feet...

04 April 2005, 05:00 PM (

Just a little pose test to see what's working and what isn't. Safe to say the little bot needs some proper hands & feet...

04 April 2005, 05:57 PM
Hahahaha your idea is really cool AJ, i love the expression of those bots, simple but powerful :thumbsup:

Can't wait to see more of this scene :scream:

04 April 2005, 10:46 PM
Now I can tell that these little bots deserve a short animation!

[/british accent off]


04 April 2005, 12:06 PM (

A new pair of shoes (and fetching ribbons) for the bots feet

04 April 2005, 12:12 PM (

Just some more silly posing with the new shoes (note : I am not using reference for these poses, so my sincere apologies to anyone who studies ballet...)

04 April 2005, 12:14 PM
Now I can tell that these little bots deserve a short animation!

Well I'm no animator Mr S, but if you've got nothing to do after moogoo... they're all yours! :D

04 April 2005, 03:39 PM (

I promised myself that I wouldn't even touch the render button until I'd finished all of the modeling and was ready to UV everything. Then I thought - bugger that. So here's an actual render of the bot, not the right textures, not the right lighting & dirty as hell. Oh and I've started modeling a new tutu...

04 April 2005, 03:47 PM
Very promising. May I suggest something else for the hands? These dont look so elegant. No ofence :thumbsup: .

Yours truly

04 April 2005, 04:09 PM
Those bots really have character - lovely poses. THis is gping to be real fun to see completed, good luck :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 04:12 PM
a clap for you Aj.. i love this character lol... awesome.. very humourous.. which is great :applause:

04 April 2005, 04:39 PM
very funny concept, a robot in a tutu? brilliant! yet another one to watch.:thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 04:58 PM
no animator my ass :) you had the best anim session entry dude , animate those robots! :)

04 April 2005, 05:44 PM
well not sure it really feets the aim of master and servant but these are so really cool design, render and posing. And I agree with everybody : ANIMATION ! please....

04 April 2005, 07:05 PM
Thanks for the feedback guys, it's encouraging to get some responses!

NEWT# - You're absolutely right, some proper hands are the next order of the day!

Ali - You are definitely too kind. I'll strike you a deal, you update your M&S entry & I'll give animating the robots a bash... What say you? ;)

authentic - I know what you mean, I hope that when I've modeled the inventor/controller and put the bots dancing into some sort of context it'll look more 'master/servant'.

04 April 2005, 08:32 PM
AJ, the slippers are killer:thumbsup:
I love this thread:)
Keep the laughs coming man!

jake rupert
04 April 2005, 08:41 PM
Extremly funny design.
Love it!!!

04 April 2005, 09:24 PM
:bounce::bounce:this is realy nice AJ...the concept is realy good,,,that kind of fantasies which i realy like......i like therendering tooo...nice colors u've used ....
i'm forward to see the final..kep it up:thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 11:44 PM
Great stuff AJ. I've always loved your sence of humor in your designs and you posts.:D Nice render too. Keep it up.

BTW. It would be a crime if these guys weren't animated.

04 April 2005, 02:35 AM
bahahahaha~! you have my greatest support this piece is going to be wonderful!

04 April 2005, 08:05 PM
I like how this turned out a lot! Very fun to just look at. Maybe make the scene a little more "extreme" or "intense" than just one dancer catching the other. Try and think about what problems robots might have when dancing? I'm sure you'll figure it all out, you're doing good :)

04 April 2005, 08:36 PM
to good m8!

like the others say....these should be animated you know :)

04 April 2005, 08:54 PM
we want T. O . C . Z . S . E (*)


Decoding hint: HAL :)

04 April 2005, 06:47 AM

this is such a funny concept...
great modeling... keep it up

04 April 2005, 12:30 PM
thought for animation....

have the two dancing, fluffy, light, elegant ballet and what not. then have the female robot launch herself into the air (maybe doing somkind of turn or something) have the male bot arms out, sliding across the dance floor to catch her as she falls...then (whilst still in the air) have the female fall apart so all of here limbs fall to the ground. leaving the male robot embarrassing and confused

just a thought (hint hint)

04 April 2005, 12:47 PM
yeh animation would be so cool.... I think you will need to put a human master in their dude, as it is one of the requirements of the challenge.

04 April 2005, 12:51 PM
Very cool design I liked the poses you came up with in the last updates. The slippers are excellent! I think this model would be very fun to animate.:thumbsup:

I can't wait to see when you final piece!

04 April 2005, 12:54 PM
[QUOTE=AJ_23] (

QUOTE] know u have heard this from everyone....but ..please..PLEASE ...animate this ...hahahahahahaha:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 05:39 PM
Ok! I'll animate them!

Seriously, thanks for the comments guys.

Mat - thats a fantastic idea! But dammit man - you know how easily distracted I am, and you're putting excellent ideas into my head before I've even finished!

Eddie - I am putting a human in the scene, the robots are being remotely controlled by their master behind them. (I knew I should have done a better concept sketch!)

Ila, Dimitris & Tony - thankyou all (although I still haven't worked out what you said Ila...)

Back to Max for me...

04 April 2005, 06:17 PM
...although I still haven't worked out what you said Ila...

Use You JRSF!

04 April 2005, 06:15 PM

04 April 2005, 04:33 PM
Hahaha can't believe this threads evaded me for so long. Lookin great so far AJ especialy the last render ...nice improvement on the lighting. :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 10:48 PM
Back to Max for me...

I just wanted to aske you .....

04 April 2005, 11:02 PM
Yes yes my owly friend - Unfortunately my Brother's getting married in a couple of weeks and he foolishly made me the best man, so I've had to deal with organising & attending his Stag do the past few days (i.e: getting extremely drunk & forcing him to look as stupid as possible).

I can't promise I will show you what I've done tomorrow (as I have now realised that I'm going to the pub...)

04 April 2005, 02:25 AM
I really like the comedic character the lady robot has.

04 April 2005, 06:02 AM
I love your idea AJ... clean concept and good design fir the robot :thumbsup: I'm waiting his eyes to add him a real personality... keep it up man :bounce: that's so funny... and funny is good, our world need fun :D

04 April 2005, 08:30 PM
hehe i LOVE it :love:

keep it up and good luck

04 April 2005, 01:00 AM
jajaja man thats funny, i like this:scream:

04 April 2005, 08:59 AM
nice work man, i like the metal material alot, what did u do to make it seamed brushed. anyways the characters are absolutely amazing proportions for animation and i suggest you do some when this is over.

04 April 2005, 05:22 AM
I'm waiting for the updates, man! :buttrock: :buttrock: :buttrock:


04 April 2005, 07:00 PM (

Not an enormous update - but I at least wanted to wave and say "I'm still doing something!".

I've sorted out some hands, fashioned a new tutu (newtu?) & most importantly - started mapping the main body. It still needs plenty of work (some more tarnishing around the edges for example) but it's on it's way.

Unfortunately, I still haven't worked out how big the bot is going to appear in the final composition, so the texture is 4000x3000 to compensate for this, so I've possibly wasted a lot of time putting in details that won't be evident in the final image. In the interest of time (and my sanity) I'm going to have to figure out the scale of the scene before I texture anything else...

Hopefully this 'stop-gap' update will be replaced tomorrow with something much more noteworthy... (he says)

04 April 2005, 07:02 PM
what did u do to make it seamed brushed

It's Vray & glossy reflections - a mans best friend & a CPU's worst nightmare, hooray for multi-threading!

04 April 2005, 07:54 PM
AJ, your robot rules. I love it, it's so absurd

great work :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 08:14 PM
Yes, impressive texture and render :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 11:57 PM
hehehehhe so you decided to join a challenge once again!! :D
I'm so confident you won't finish this that I dare to ask.. r u game? if you finish I finish, if I finish you finish?

very nice work so far btw! the last texturing might have been subtle, but it really added alot!

04 April 2005, 03:00 AM
if you finish I finish, if I finish you finish?

Oh that's a deal my viking friend... That's a deal!

04 April 2005, 03:04 AM
hahaha priceless, great quality, good job man u pretty much have to animate this one for sure because we won't stop bugging u until u do it :D

04 April 2005, 02:24 PM (

Some more fooling with the bots textures/posing. Time to get cracking on the Master...

04 April 2005, 02:43 PM
brilliant work, i love the concept, its very funny and the result has a lot of character. great modelling and texturing in particular, the new pose is very nice. good luck, i'm looking forward to the finished product, this is my new favorite :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 02:48 PM
hey man, i don't know where did you get that idea for your trhead and your models.
but is very cool and funny:thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 03:39 PM
nice render ! and nice pose too!

04 April 2005, 03:41 PM
Lol, looking cool and very funny! :scream: Keep the fun comming! :bounce:

04 April 2005, 04:20 PM
looking sweet my firend

04 April 2005, 04:31 PM
A funny pose for a true beautiful rendering... simply nice :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 05:04 PM
Haha , nice render, great expression in the pose :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 05:06 PM
Ahahah-hahahaha.... Aw, this is my new favourite robot. Awesome.

04 April 2005, 06:36 PM
:scream: That's great, very cute and funny indeed

04 April 2005, 06:59 PM
ah yes! great to see you're still working on it, nice pose!
ooor well actually.. hm.. maybe we should decide what the punishment and price for the one of us who break the 'promise' shall be? :hmm:

04 April 2005, 07:10 PM
can't believe I missed that one; it's awesome ... keep going AJ !

04 April 2005, 07:30 PM
hilarious .. i could actually watch this ballet :bounce:

great stuff

04 April 2005, 08:38 PM
LOL AJ, it keeps getting better each time I visit over here:thumbsup::thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 10:42 PM
Can't believe I missed this! Beautiful and hilarious! The psoe is fanatsic, and the metal texturing is superb. Perhaps a little more work on the tutu?:D

04 April 2005, 03:02 AM
Ok you toped it by putting it in position, I love it even more.

Try using a mask in your oppacity of your tutu with, I did that for the lace of my puppets with a patern in it looks even nicer, just a sugestion.

Great work :applause:

04 April 2005, 04:55 AM
Excellent progress!
Look forward to seeing more...................................................................:thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 07:12 AM
Ahahahahah, bella danzarina,totally great. Congratulations friend

04 April 2005, 09:22 AM
where is the human charactar,i think its better to put some human in,coz thats the requirment of this topic, dono if robots counts,hope it does,anyway, very good shading and lighting for the robot;'s body/ like it

04 April 2005, 10:49 AM
interesting, genuine innovative approach (besides smell like 60' <sixties>) hard to explain

waiting to see the result

04 April 2005, 06:01 PM
keep up the good work- your idea is breathtaking, this can be the nuts!

05 May 2005, 05:14 PM (

Right, here's some wires of my progress on the Master for the scene. I'm not 100% sure how close I'm going to have his face in frame, so I'll need to work that out before I start on his expression...

05 May 2005, 05:17 PM (

Some more print screens of the master model so far. The hair & eyebrows are stand-ins at the moment, I might change the style/colour completely - I just don't like looking at bald models!

Now, to the pub! :beer:

05 May 2005, 05:51 PM
he he.... i like your style dude !:thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 04:28 AM

You got a super stylee i love it. :thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 05:40 AM
The nostrils appear a little too right in front view, but it's only one small details, I love much this character :thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 05:46 AM
haha, love the look of that master! He looks like the type of guy who enjoys tormenting little robots in tutus, well done :thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 06:18 AM
hi.....hahahhaa.....he is too funny IMO..

i like his face and specialy his neck..too funny.....any way keep good job,i'm watching....

dont you think he will be more funny if his right eye were a little bigger than the left one??

05 May 2005, 09:10 AM
Thanks for the feedback guys! :D

kmest - I might change his eye shapes when I model his expression & break up the symmetry.

My original intention was to have have his eyes magnified enormously (so they fill up his entire glasses) in the final image.

05 May 2005, 09:12 AM (

Just playing with a rough setup of the composition. The deadline has made me resigned to just the one bot in the scene. It does make it easier to put together but I don't think it will read as comically as I had intended...

C'est la vie!

05 May 2005, 09:26 AM
That's can be a good way mate... in any case, a very interesting composition :thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 09:33 AM
It's looking great AJ, i like the master face and the composition lighting, i can't wait to see the final result :thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 10:14 AM
great entery, love the robots design aswell as the textures,

keep updatin' :)

05 May 2005, 12:08 PM
Nice! I like it. And the Master looks like a good character.

05 May 2005, 12:36 PM
Thanks again for the feedback all!

Here's a quick & dirty PS of some magnified eyes:

It changes the character quite a lot so I'll have to think about whether this is what I'm after. Let me know what you think/prefer...

Once again, thanks! :D

05 May 2005, 01:51 PM
HI AJ, very cool:buttrock: , i like a lot the effect of the camera (the diffuse), is natural. but apply more meshmooth to the master, because he still needed,:thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 02:51 PM
AJ Clone her and lose the extra tutu & you got yourself the other one..just rearange him a bit ;) The final compo looks great :thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 03:05 PM
Very nice characters man! The old guy is veeery funny :D
Try to find some time to put two robots in your scene, man. Will be great to see some interaction between the robots :)

Keep up the great work,

05 May 2005, 04:59 PM
I vote for TWO of bots! ... you should add some Romance & Drama to the scene!

This reminds me the tale of 'little toy soldier' :)

05 May 2005, 05:08 PM
Bah! Here I am trying to save time & the masses (3 of you) have spoken against me... :scream:

You are all right, the scene would have more dynamic with two bots... I'll see if I can't rustle up a dancing partner from some spare parts.

05 May 2005, 05:56 PM
Great concept, AJ :thumbsup:
I'd definitely like to see some magnified/bulging eyes on the 'master' :D I'll see if I can't rustle up a dancing partner from some spare parts. Oh yes!!! that lovely little girl-bot's just crying out for a dancing partner ;)


05 May 2005, 01:00 PM
Hey there Alex!!, great idea the Robot is great...Looking forward to seeing this one finished:thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 09:01 AM
This is a great entry AJ, it has to be one of my favourites in the challenge, for both idea and execution, looking forward to seeing this finished:thumbsup:

jake rupert
05 May 2005, 06:14 PM
This is fantastic. I like the idea and style.
Maybe you should put the camera a bit more from below?

;>) jake

05 May 2005, 05:48 AM
Yet 10 days without update AJ... where are you... end is near... go Mate... GO GO GO... :thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 08:50 PM
:(hope you continue that scene anyway!

05 May 2005, 08:57 PM

Another challenge, another unfinished entry... :sad:

(I assure you I don't start them with the intention of leaving them like this!)

Just one more case of real world happenings (weddings, birthdays, parties, Resident Evil 4...) destroying my free time.

That said, if you don't see this ballet bot again in the next few weeks - I demand you have me banned from cgtalk

05 May 2005, 10:05 PM
That said, if you don't see this ballet bot again in the next few weeks - I demand you have me banned from cgtalk

that's noted ! hope you won't regret it .


05 May 2005, 10:58 PM



and other sounds of woe!

05 May 2005, 11:56 PM
What a pty AJ_23, you can't finished, your robot is so kind and funny. ARG!
I don't know if you'll wish to finish it later... It could be a great picture. Anyway I would have quite wanted to see it terminated.

great robot.

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