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wireFrame
03 March 2005, 05:23 AM
Louis Salvio has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=6723)

Latest Update: Final Image: Master Mourning Over His Wasted Servant
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1116415849_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1116415849_large.jpg)

Ok. Here it is!

The story about these characters in this scene is plain and simple. The servant went out into the forest to prove her faithfulness and obidience to her master by obeying his order to kill the forest demon. She did kill the demon, but unfortunately, she was severly wounded and wasn't able to bring back the demon head to his master. Few days passed by and the master decided to search for his servant in the forest. He found her dead along with her kill. He mourns for her demise... She was wasted!

Rhenia
03 March 2005, 05:45 AM
Good Luck!

wireFrame
03 March 2005, 06:27 AM
Thanks Rhenia!

I'm still working on the site-linking for the image(s).

wireFrame
03 March 2005, 06:37 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1111905472_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1111905472_large.jpg)

A rough idea for the layout.

eclipson
03 March 2005, 06:45 AM
not pretty clear abt the concept, but i'm sure it will turn out pretty cool

GoodLux!:thumbsup:

wireFrame
03 March 2005, 06:45 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1111905937_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1111905937_large.jpg)

I woke up this morning and improved what I did last night. I haven't dressed up the characters and they are still wearing temp clothes. The magical bird is also temporary and maybe replaced with another servant creature.

OrO
03 March 2005, 06:22 PM
great skill..keep up the good work..

OrO
03 March 2005, 06:23 PM
try to do something about her face..make it more feminine..again..great work

Rhenia
03 March 2005, 07:54 PM
hi there again.....nice to see u moving along.....i was wondering what ur storyline is.....did he rescue the girl with his faithful animal servants?????......let us know where u are gonna take the sketches.....keep it going :)

wireFrame
03 March 2005, 12:09 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1112184595_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1112184595_large.jpg)

Here's an update. Did some clean ups and is halfway to finish the line art milestone.

Continue this later; got to go back to work.

Groady
03 March 2005, 12:31 PM
Looking great so far! Are you using a reference? If this is off the top of your head you certainly know your proportions! (well a million times better than I do :eek: ).

wireFrame
03 March 2005, 12:49 PM
Hi there, Groady!

Thanks for replying. Acutally, I'm working without reference whatsoever at this stage. I have to admit that at some point I really hace to use some 'coz there are problem areas that I find unproportional. The line art will be revised after I completed this milestone. That is when I finaly got some reference materials.

Rhenia: Yes, you got it! The master was able to rescue the fallen girl with the help of his animal servant.

Oro: Did some improvement with the girl. Hope it suits your taste.:D

sidchagan
03 March 2005, 07:19 PM
Great sketches, you draw the characters very well, and the little details are well handled. I'm curious to know how the whole master/servant thing applies here though?

MoonVisionStudio
03 March 2005, 07:25 PM
Very nice drawings and compsition, look forward to some color!

brianl
03 March 2005, 07:27 PM
The line art is beautiful! My only little crit is that in one of the previous sketches the guy seemed to be looking at the bird now he seems to be looking somewhere else past it?

Brian

wireFrame
04 April 2005, 02:27 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1112452056_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1112452056_large.jpg)

Did some improvements on the the last submitted line art. I'm quite happy with the proportions but I still have to make some minor adjustments later.

The servant eagle is missing 'coz I have to make a separate drawing for that. Maybe i a while, I'll post another line art with the servant included in the final line art.

wireFrame
04 April 2005, 02:56 PM
Hi, it's weekend and I'm free to work on this entry and respond to some feedbacks I received here.

sidchagan: Thanks man! The simple story behind this concept is that the male was able to rescue his female friend in the forest through the help of his servant bird and he is giving orders to the bird to get a magical potion somewhere. This potion will help him save his unconscious/dying friend. The female battled a demonic monster and almost cost her life.

Jose Pardo: Thanks!

Brianl: I haven't finish the bird/eagle sketches yet. The creature will be landing on his finger. I'll work on it tonight and have it posted later.

Aradiael
04 April 2005, 03:26 PM
good, another thread to follow, they're beginning to become to many!:scream:

about your artworks only one critique: somewhat his left arm looks a little strange to me (but maybe I'm just influenced by european falconeers who keep theyr falcon on the arm in a different way:rolleyes: )

wireFrame
04 April 2005, 06:35 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1112466939_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1112466939_large.jpg)

Added the eagle. I've been trying different posture for the bird and tried to avoid the usual position by modifying her right (facing) wing. I want to stick to the circular layout and putting the wings in the "usual" position throws her off.

Wel, this is close to finishing the line art milestone and what it lacks is the bg and fg elements.

wireFrame
04 April 2005, 06:49 PM
Aradiael: Well, I think the arm is ok. What I'm struggling at before was his left hand. I was wondering with options where the bird will be coming from and if he'll get the bottle first or let the bird land first on his finger.

It's for composition reasons that he's arm is positioned that way. :)

THE Wizard
04 April 2005, 12:52 AM
I have no critic, just one question why don't you make a little phoenix out of this bird...? Kind of sparkling little red fiery bird

Other than that everything is great!

My master And Servant 2D (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=225858)

wireFrame
04 April 2005, 03:21 AM
The Wizard: I thought about that initially. As a matter of fact I was determined to make the bird mysterious and magical in the beginning (like in the preliminary sketches) with very long tail feathers. However, I find it too "dominating" for the master so I have to tone it down and came up with an eagle (which is by the way is not a common eagle). Don't worry... she is not an ordinary bird and when the coloring starts, you'll appreciate her.

By the way, someone is doing a phoenix bird here-- so I'll avoid duplicating that. :)

Aradiael
04 April 2005, 04:40 PM
I see your point:)
and let me say that now with the bird it looks definately better!:thumbsup:
I'll wait for further progress ;)

AirbORn
04 April 2005, 04:43 PM
Very nice composition! I like how there is a master servant relationship happening between three character! The line quality is very nice. I can't wait to see some colour applied to this concept. I'll check back soon to see how your progress goes.

wireFrame
04 April 2005, 02:00 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1113012028_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1113012028_large.jpg)

It's weekend again and time to do this stuff. I wonder if it's I can finish this piece and working only on weekends.

Anyway, I'm quite happy with the revised version compared to my last posted images. The eagle might be replaced with another creature or totally removed.

I will now proceed in making rough color ing startinng now.

wireFrame
04 April 2005, 10:52 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1113043948_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1113043948_large.jpg)

My initial coloring of the servant.

artjunkie
04 April 2005, 11:47 AM
NICE! Great start on the colour!

Y'know... I love your sketches, but I think I like the orginal pose of the dead servant girl better (I really like the new pose for the master). Anyhoo... you've begun paints, so I guess as long as you're happy with her pose, then rock on! Looks like it's gonna be a wonderful piece.

Cheers!

Tariq12
04 April 2005, 12:18 PM
Louis, WOW man ! that's some nice looking skin tones. Great concept too. Can't wait to see this finished.
Cheers,
T.
My Master & servant : http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=222506

My Web Site : www.tariqart.com

:thumbsup:

wireFrame
04 April 2005, 06:19 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1113070777_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1113070777_large.jpg)

Here's what I've done so far for the day. I'm tired and time to get some sleep.

Zzzzz.......

NOOB!
04 April 2005, 06:25 PM
wow thats looking brilliant.

almost 3d like.

wireFrame
04 April 2005, 06:47 PM
artjunkie: Hi! thanks for posting! With regards to the two layouts (previous and now), I decided to revise the original position and layout of the concept after a week of personal criticism. Although the first one looks fine to me, I kept asking myself what else I want to see in this drawing? Of course, I feel like I can still make the artwork better (especially the posture of the servant girl). Now I'm happy with the poses and I immediately jumped in coloring it. Before I have doubts and I just kept staring on the old one. Now, it was just a snap putting colors on it.

Tariq12, NOOB!: Thanks guys! Stand by for more updates tomorrow!

wireFrame
04 April 2005, 08:09 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1113120558_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1113120558_large.jpg)

Ok, For a change, I've worked on the master. Please feel free to C&C.

Thanks!

Imriela
04 April 2005, 03:14 PM
Aw, this is so, so...sad. *sniffles madly* Anyway, great idea, great composition, great expression, GREAT mastery of form--but I'm not quite convinced that she's dead. Sleeping or otherwise unconscious, sure, but her skin tone feels a little on the warm-n-healthy side, even for the newly-dead.

Maybe make her slightly paler and add a hint of blue, especially to her lips (I really hate to suggest that, because they're bloody gorgeous as they are!); that should sell the "dead" idea.

wireFrame
04 April 2005, 06:02 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1113156145_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1113156145_large.jpg)

Hi, Imriela! Thanks for your comments. Making her look dead will be done later after she's done with the initial coloring. It's in the plan so standby for that.

Anyway, here's what I've done so far for the whole day. I have to stop working on this for a while...

I welcome all your C&C's

OrO
04 April 2005, 06:29 PM
dammm! you have an eye for detail!..it's beautifull

jugeras
04 April 2005, 01:47 AM
anak ng tipaklong. wala ka talagang magawa ha. kamusta na.

i had so much extra time here that i decided to do something with it. sumali rin ako. its always great to see an artist go back to their first love - illustration - especially you.

say hello to the guys back in manila.

madone01
04 April 2005, 02:37 AM
MAN i'm sitting her looking at your work it amazes me how people achive such realalitic skin tones which 3d quality if i was near you i would shake your hand for a work wel done so far

jugeras
04 April 2005, 02:58 AM
hows the new machines?

MDN67
04 April 2005, 04:30 AM
WoW, excellent painting of characters. I'm glad to see a other person paint with the same technic then me, piece after piece. Good work:thumbsup:

wireFrame
04 April 2005, 08:55 AM
Hey Joni! Parang kagagaling mo lang dito nung isang buwan ah! It's really good to see you here and still an active cgtalk member!

It's good that you have spare time to draw again like you used to. The good thing about here in this discussion group is that I'll somehow forces you to "join" and do your art. Me, I have to squeeze my time and accomodate what I love to do.

Doing great so far with your entry! Hanep ka! Reminds me of the Taekwandogs characters you did years ago. Me, I had a very hard time drawing again. I thought I lost the ability draw. Back then, photoshop was just in it's infancy and this is the first time that I'll do a painting in photoshop. Makes me nervous 'coz I'm not into this really.

For all you people seeing this, I'm a first-time painter in photoshop. Last night I memorized keyboard commands and try messing with the new brush tools (which I use to ignore). I know about photoshop are scanning and retouching. Now PS CS is somewhat different.

Keep it going Joni! Dalawa lang ata tayong pinoy dito, e.

By the way, congratulations on Ge's pregnancy! Lalaki ba o babae?

The new *smoke is doing great! Really fast. And It's going to be tested in Mr G's new movie.

I'll be watching your entry as it progress.

wireFrame
04 April 2005, 09:09 AM
MDN67, madone01, oro: Guys, thank you for appreciation. This is my very first time to do a painting in photoshop. If you're familiar with the traditional airbrushing style, my work looks like that; 'coz I'm an "airbrush artist" and fior me, it looks like an airbrushed artwork. 3Dish? well, I do 3d too, but I almost forced myself in jumping into the other category (3D) after seeing so many (very) good digital painters here-- they really intimidates me. Now, I said to myself that I'll be joining this for the enjoyment and appreciation of doing what I loved to do traditionally; in a digital way though.

Thanks again!

digitalhadz
04 April 2005, 09:36 AM
wireFrame, pinoy din ako noh!...

nice work dude good luck!

wireFrame
04 April 2005, 07:11 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1113246677_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1113246677_large.jpg)

Just another update. I've worked on the legs of the servant. It'll be a slow pace these days for I have to attend to my work at the office. :)

digitalhadz: Thank you! Nice to see another fellow Filipino here at cgtalk. That makes us three now. Haha!

wireFrame
04 April 2005, 05:04 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1113325493_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1113325493_large.jpg)

I was not happy with the master's head so I revised it. Doing the coloring later.

NOOB!
04 April 2005, 05:46 PM
whoa extremly great!

oatz
04 April 2005, 06:27 PM
Thats a nice process you have. Anatomy is top notch. I'd like to see some more charcter in the faces, though.

Khye

arkinet
04 April 2005, 04:45 PM
great job dude... is it malakas & maganda concept? i love seeing kababayans in this contest & you did a good job considering you're new w/ photoshop. Im a newbe here too, but been doodling w/ photshop for a while, currently been using corel painter, u know free stuff when u get a wacom. Anyway, keep it up dude!

wireFrame
04 April 2005, 01:37 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1113615472_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1113615472_large.jpg)

It's weekend once again and time to do this wip. This is just an initial coloring of the new master's head.

C&C are welcome.

wireFrame
04 April 2005, 02:23 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1113747814_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1113747814_large.jpg)

I don't know if I could finish this working on it only on weekends...

Anyway, just another update.

wireFrame
04 April 2005, 03:00 PM
oatz: Thanks for posting. I'll try to add things that would add character to their faces. Expression is my utmost priority and I still have to improve them. Thinsg like jewelries and head dress would help enhance their characters.

arkinet: Thanks, kabayan! Good to see you here as well. No, this is not "malakas at maganda". I'm sticking to the master and servant theme and I would like to create an emotional scene between these two. Have seen your entry and looks very promising. Keep it up!

jugeras
04 April 2005, 07:05 PM
ayos! :buttrock:

BlackNull
04 April 2005, 07:28 PM
I am soooo speechless...2d is not my area of expertise but damn, I can tell this is some fine work u got there. I think you should increase your bump map and lower your final gathering and ....hahahahaha that's all the kind of critic u would hear from me. But on a more serious note, I love it so much!!! I'll keep an eye on this :bounce: BOUING BOUING!

wireFrame
04 April 2005, 12:49 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1113785377_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1113785377_large.jpg)

Did some updates before leaving for office today.

arkinet
05 May 2005, 05:51 PM
update pre!!:) wag mag tamad tamaran:bounce: .... lagay kita sa unahan:thumbsup:

wireFrame
05 May 2005, 05:24 AM
Thanks =BlackNull=! I was able to find some motivation to continue this piece.

arkinet: Thank you for doing that. I thought of giving this up but since you want an update, this one is for you.:)

I'll try as much as possible to finish this. Lot of things happening to me lately and severely affected my drive.

But I'm back and I'll proceed in doing this!:deal:

wireFrame
05 May 2005, 05:43 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1115185392_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1115185392_large.jpg)

A late update of this piece! So hard to do with so many things happening...

Just added a shoe and sword for now. Later, I'll try to make some considerable updates after neglecting this for weeks.

jugeras
05 May 2005, 06:17 AM
tama na trabaho. tapusin mo to para may pakinabang ka naman. ang kulit ni orville n archie.

say hello n kamusta to the guys dyan. hows the new smoke and your new trainies. :banghead: :bounce: :applause: :thumbsup:

arkinet
05 May 2005, 06:29 AM
looking good pre, be back for more:)

Arc80
05 May 2005, 06:55 AM
Looking great dude. Mukang pilipino yung dinorowing mo ha, hanep. Always support my fellow kababayan. Meng, kailangan kong lista kung sino-sino tayo dito. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Dalian mo rin, hehehe.

cheers

O.Martin
05 May 2005, 10:24 AM
One of your sketches look very much like Talisa Soto! :thumbsup:

Looking forward to next update :)

wireFrame
05 May 2005, 05:55 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1115747732_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6723/6723_1115747732_large.jpg)

A new update! Finally I have a background. Don't know if I could finish this before the deadline. Thanks anyway for dropping by...

arkinet
05 May 2005, 06:16 PM
hanep pre, very detailed ang grass:scream: ... nah, alang tulugan, tapusin mo na:twisted: kape pa nga... be back for more:thumbsup:

snowkiwi
05 May 2005, 06:41 PM
I really like her body. I really like the colors too - the plant life is really nicely done. The colors are really unique and attractive.

wireFrame
05 May 2005, 08:58 AM
jugeras: Everything is doing fine here at home. The new smoke trainees are cranking into high gears assisting the film projects.:thumbsup:

O.Martin: Thanks for dropping by. I'm not that familiar about Talisa Soto--but I'll try to look up his/her name and artworks in the internet when I have time.:buttrock:

arkinet/Arc80: Mga 'tol salamat sa supporta. I'll try my best to finish this on time.:eek:

snowkiwi: Thank you for appreciating this artwork. I really mean it. :)

THECLYKE
05 May 2005, 09:11 AM
I LIKE MAN REALLY REALLY COOL...COULD YOU GIVE ME SOME ADVICE ABOUT MY ENTRY....I'M A FAST WORKER AND I NEED SOME CRITICT TO BRING ME OFF MY HIGH HORSE?:bounce:

HERES A LINK TO MY POSTS

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?p=2271035#post2271035

wireFrame
05 May 2005, 12:00 AM
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Just added some details on the bg. Later, I'll focus what're missing on the characters plus the missing demon on the fg.

xric7
05 May 2005, 12:49 AM
very beautiful color.:bounce: :thumbsup:
nice comp and characters.
keep going.
good luck to u.:)

wireFrame
05 May 2005, 03:28 AM
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It's weekend so I have some time for additional updates.

xric7
05 May 2005, 01:44 AM
wow..:bounce:
realy nice update.
can't wait 4 final image.:buttrock:

Arc80
05 May 2005, 02:50 AM
Malapit ka na tol. Bilisan mo naman. Just a bit more definition on the forms and some shadows and you're done.

cheers and Ingat

wireFrame
05 May 2005, 03:51 AM
xric7 & Arc80: Thanks for checking this out. I'll be working on this piece whenever possible starting tonight after office. Got to finish this somehow. :)

arkinet
05 May 2005, 04:18 AM
kaya mo yan pre, konting kape pa para sabay sabay na tayo ni arc80 sa rehab hehehehe.:twisted:

wireFrame
05 May 2005, 04:51 AM
Thanks arkinet! Arc80 is first to go to the rehab. :applause:

wireFrame
05 May 2005, 08:49 AM
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Almost complete... Few details left to be done.

xric7
05 May 2005, 09:18 AM
no crits.
only be here to cheer.
go go!...tomorrow is too late!!
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

MDN67
05 May 2005, 10:34 AM
the painting of the characters is really nice, good work, and go, go, go for finish

wireFrame
05 May 2005, 11:09 AM
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Few more tweaks...

wireFrame
05 May 2005, 11:30 AM
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Ok. Here it is!

The story about these characters in this scene is plain and simple. The servant went out into the forest to prove her faithfulness and obedience to her master by obeying his order to kill the forest demon. She did kill the demon, but unfortunately, she was severly wounded and wasn't able to bring back the demon's head to her master. Few days passed by and the master decided to search for his servant in the forest. He found her dead along with her kill. He mourns for her demise... She was wasted!

Arc80
05 May 2005, 12:09 PM
WOohoo, CONGRATS TOL!!! Very strong finish. Goodluck and hope to see more on the next challenge.

cheers at INgat ka dyan sa pinas :buttrock:

wireFrame
05 May 2005, 01:57 AM
xric7, MDN67, Arc80: Thanks guys for your support! It's finally done! I don't have enough time to perfect it much the less tweak it. Congratulations to all of you for finishing your piece and catching up before the deadline.

I hope to see more of your works here 'coz fro me this my starting point. I have never ever done a digital painting in photoshop before and this piece is a breakthrough for me. I planned in doing a series of works and post them here in the near future.

Be here for the next challenge. I'll be glad to join along with you guys!

Again, congratulations to everyone!

Thanks!

arkinet
05 May 2005, 02:34 AM
bro congrats! see you sa kapehan ni jugeras w/ archie hehehehe... good luck sa judging too & see you around, nasa 3dpinoy ka rin ba? kita kits tayo doon...:thumbsup:

wireFrame
05 May 2005, 04:55 AM
arkinet: Thanks pare! Good luck to you too! An lakas ng dating ng gawa mo. May laban yung mga gawa ninyo! :thumbsup:

Anyway, I visited 3dpinoy a couple of times and I have a friend that is a moderator there (si Null). I'll try to sign up and look at your stuffs there soon. I'm more of a mainstay here at cgtalk and it was only a recently that I knew about 3dpinoy.

Are you into 3D too? Maybe next challenge try natin sa kabilang category. Hehehe! Ano ba gamit mo?

Thanks again 'tol and hope to see you here more often. :applause:

xric7
05 May 2005, 05:35 AM
very im pressive work!!:thumbsup:
love ur style a lot.
congrats on ur final image.:applause: :applause: :buttrock:
best luck tou in contest.:)

Tariq12
05 May 2005, 09:03 AM
hey Louis, very cool image mate. Those cuts look deep. best of luck for the final. :thumbsup:
Cheers,
Tariq.

jugeras
05 May 2005, 12:14 PM
ayos. ano ba. tama na muna kasi trabaho. youre always an illustrator first. get back to it. anyway. for the extra time your putting into youre piece - you get my kudos. great job.

ok laaaaang. had fun during the challenge. had greater fun with the baby. hopefully makauwi ako august. kita kits uli.

arkinet
06 June 2005, 09:57 PM
pre, on to the next challenge na!:)

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