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03 March 2005, 09:29 AM
Volodymyr Dergachov has entered the Master and Servant 3D.
Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=6652)
Latest Update: Final Image: ok, finaly final!
Ehhhh, and this is definetely FINAL! Now will go to sleep...
Thanks again for your attention, guys!
03 March 2005, 09:40 AM
OK. I'm finaly in.
Breefly my idea. In this story we've got a stress and I'd say a tragedy of one who serves against his will - the hourse. Here I propose a problem without solution:a Master overcomed with hate and excitement demands to turn back to defeat the dragon which is
too far from reality...
There is no escape and no choise for the Servant whose being protest against deadly decision.
Forse and Submission, Fear and Madness...
03 March 2005, 09:44 AM
Well, actually these are only some versions of proportions which define general personality.
Still working on it.
And logo - going to change it I guess :)
03 March 2005, 09:54 AM
O.K. I think to finaly have made my decision about Master's appearence (only head for now).
He should be feeling himself above everyone - he is too over-confidently.
Our oppinion doesn't interess him.
And I guess e will not be fat as in previous version :)
03 March 2005, 10:00 AM
hey very interesting drawings u got threre... welcome to the challange man... wish u all the best :thumbsup:
03 March 2005, 05:14 PM
I'll steel need lots of time for drawing before passing to modelling. But it's always worth it, isn't it :)
03 March 2005, 08:07 PM
Finaly happy with Master's concept. As his arms and face are main "acting parts" I decided to make
them more expressive. On his left hand also will be a kind of shield (rough concept on right)
C&C are more than welcome
03 March 2005, 08:13 PM
And here is my dragon. Long and slim -"fast and furious" :)
03 March 2005, 09:03 PM
Hey deryk :) Nice angular style you got. Curious how its going to look in 3d. If you can get the expression right on the horse and the knight this is going to be great.
Keep going deryk
03 March 2005, 11:58 AM
itīs interesting what you have here... Iīll keep an eye on you hehheh
the master looks better as it is now and I think the framing is really interesting and has got a lot of depth.
03 March 2005, 03:56 PM
Those sketches are so cool and visualize your idea very well. I like the dragon a lot, very stylized, really great! :thumbsup:
03 March 2005, 04:51 PM
very nice concepts dude... keep it up.. les see how your horse comes along maybe i can learn a trick or 2!! :thumbsup: good luck
03 March 2005, 08:01 PM
Hey Deryk, hows it going mate? updates! give me updates!
03 March 2005, 09:34 PM
thanks a lot guys!!
In a couple of minutes I'll insert a horse concept (hope the final one:)
Next wanna pass to REAL modelling!! Can't wait.
Environments will arrive later on. Actually I dreamed of creating color drawing but time passes and...I'll see. Guess for lightning!
Reinier, I think angular style of a dragon can be maintained with some low-poly. I gonna see. Anyway he is far in the bg...
always happy for C&Cs
03 March 2005, 09:43 PM
ok Reinier, here finaly an update. Hope in this night I'll give a life to another one.
So, here I've got magior proportions and also props of a Master sitting. Horse is stylised (as all characters:), to underline the most important parts for my composition, so Neeno maybe this don't fits you as a full reference but anyway I tried to maintain main muscles. Sorry gyus for not good quality - this time was digital camera instead of scanner.
03 March 2005, 10:09 PM
Horse looks neat :). Style fits perfectly with the rest. Next up: modeling!
03 March 2005, 02:25 AM
And here we go: modelling finaly started! Half of a head mirrored. Well, there are still much to ellaborate (especialy seams) but I don't want to "stitch" all together now, couse later on I gonna fix some stuf perhaps...
03 March 2005, 04:13 AM
Slowy proceeding with horse.
Need to find some illustr. of teeth - don't remeber them good. Well, for now nothing more to say :)
03 March 2005, 04:35 AM
I really like your style. The closeup of the master is very nice. I see your a 3dsMax guy too!
The horse is lookin good .
03 March 2005, 04:54 AM
Oh yes - 3d max forever!
Thanks for looking in, feelinFroggy.
Well, the closeup, I'm not sure that this is final version, but close to it. Anyway I glad it is already looks good:D
03 March 2005, 05:17 AM
Clear scene, narrative.
Horse is lovely, when stylizing the animals you must keep eye on the rate of caricaturising dose just because sometimes they turn into another animal. Here your horse seem to be turning into a mule.
03 March 2005, 01:24 PM
Thanks for comment, kuzgunoglu,
Honestly, I didn't think that such a "trap" can happen! Thanks a lot man.
From now on I'll keep an eye on that!
For now I think it is not jet a mule (ufff!!). I gonna see later during posing how it's proportions will look and how much "horse aspect" it will have :)
Typycal head shape, long neck and high "back part" will maintain the horse appearing.
Anyway, maybe later I'll make legs longer.
03 March 2005, 02:55 PM
that modelling is looking lovely, I REALLY like the style.
Iīm just a bit concerned about the " chest" of the horse. Itīs very small and the legs therefore look out of place (maybe a little short too). Taking in account the perspective, I think it will be desirable the opposite effect, to give a powerful appearance to the horse. I hope you can understand all this.
03 March 2005, 02:58 PM
Hi Deryk, good to see you again! Oh - love that horse!! Looks like your going with quite a different style this time - coming on real cool so far. If you can keep those beautiful shapes from the sketches the 3d will be just great. Looking forward to see where it goes :thumbsup:
03 March 2005, 03:02 PM
suarly I understand :thumbsup:
Now I am starting to have real doubts abut my horsy...
Last night I was already thinking about horse's legs, but now I think it will come into reality.
Yeah, for now my model is legsless, so this evening I'll continue.
Hm, left leg close to camera... yes, it's gonna be longer http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon3.gif
I didn't take perspective into account.
Thanks for c&c http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon13.gif
03 March 2005, 03:07 PM
Come on... the horse IS great.
model it and then just make a little adjustment.
03 March 2005, 03:10 PM
Thanks for giving an eye Gunilla,
Now all I need is time (dam, human needs to sleep - difficult work at night:(
Uff, I really need to keep that shapes.
ok, now going to launch max http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon4.gif
03 March 2005, 05:25 PM
Ah yes 3d :)... looks good mate, and it seems you are retaining the style of the sketches perfectly. :thumbsup:
Good luck with the rest of the horse.
03 March 2005, 06:50 PM
it is always pleasant during work to take a look at thread and receive warm wishes!
Meanwhile, there are still bottom parts of legs and teeth remain, Oh yes, and hairs ;)
03 March 2005, 07:37 PM
Yes, yes, I know - almost the same:)
But, dam, I just can't wait till I finish!!
I wanna post, post and post images but not only text:scream: . I am not a DOS :)
ok, no comment, as I've said, nothing very defferent. Sorry :)
Don't abuse guys if today I will not post to your threads -
just at home I have problems with internet:( - have to vait for tomorrow...http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6652/6652_1112038628_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6652/6652_1112038628_large.jpg)
03 March 2005, 09:07 PM
Hi Deryk, this is coming along great, I think the expression in the sketches will transfer over to 3d really well;)
Great start on the horse, Keep it up!
03 March 2005, 09:40 PM
Nice start Volodymyr.......What a cool name.....:thumbsup:
The horse looks to be coming just as planned......Nice work flow there too.....I'll be watching you go forward.all the best to you......:thumbsup:
03 March 2005, 02:31 AM
hey mate nice looking horse so far man looking very suitable to the style your gogin for .. awesome man.. not bad dude.. good luck with the rest of your image.. i'll be watching.. good luck
03 March 2005, 04:33 AM
Yeah nice progress. Keep up the good work.
03 March 2005, 05:48 AM
Hi Daryk! Very nice your cartoon style! I liked very your start modeling!:) keep on... and good luck!
03 March 2005, 09:13 AM
Wow, thanks people!
I appreciate your attention much much much!
But I really got to work a lot - as I see time just runs incredibly!!
Eh, still so much to do, oh I'm waiting for this night to have more effective progres, that it is now.
See you on-line!:buttrock:
03 March 2005, 09:25 AM
a Horse is born... Very clean mesh btw. Keep up the good work :thumbsup:
03 March 2005, 09:52 AM
The head is pretty awesome, the rest of the horse is coming along nicely, and you're fast! :thumbsup:
03 March 2005, 07:25 PM
Thanks for your attention guys!
Hey coCoKNIght, now I'm feeling better (I mean speed:), but anyway - still do not have relaxhttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon12.gif !
ok, finaly I turn back to max, and it goes on...
03 March 2005, 01:56 AM
ok, horse modelling done, except tail and hairs. Oh yes, teeth still missing - to found jet a picture with their alignment. Now I'll leave it as it is and pass directly to master's head! Hairs will be added later on - during texturing as I think to use opasity maps for them.
Oh, have noticed only now - need to correct undesired mesh distorsion on bottom of back legs!
Ah, and tongue - how could I forget:)
03 March 2005, 04:07 AM
I'm glad I can proceed now to another stage - Master. Well now, as usual, is a rough beginning, but from this moment I turn off my 3d and bussy day starts - it has it's own duties to propose:) so I post this image at such a phase. Anyway now I've got an idea to what direction to continue. Distortions will be elliminated...
Future will be better:)
03 March 2005, 04:47 AM
Hi Deryk, great to see you really fleshing out this stylised concept in such a stylised way:thumbsup:
Keep it up
03 March 2005, 10:27 AM
Hooo Deryk! looking good ;) maybe the shape of the chest needs some tweaking? http://www.horse-net.de/images/Lena_Front_view.JPG
Anyways... all looks and it seems the master is forming nicely... very curious how hes is going to turn out. :thumbsup:
03 March 2005, 01:27 PM
Great modeling. Keep up good work :thumbsup:
03 March 2005, 02:32 PM
Hey Deryk, nice concept man!! The modeling is coming alog great!!!
Best luck my friend!!:thumbsup:
03 March 2005, 03:52 PM
Thank you ALL!
I do hope to figure that all out!
At this moment evolution of master continues...
Uffa, can't get a desired shape of nose wings, dam!
Reiner, thanks alot for the link you've provided, man! As soon as I'll get myself to some
better i-net that I have now at home I gonna check out that immage! Actually I plan to
make it during the night - as usual:)
Need to give a look at my horse anatomy reference also - didn't look at it since start
- maybe there is really some stuff to correct. Anyway, that horse's model is still fresh - after
finishing master gonna fix some proportions a well.
Now I think I need to sleep a couple of hours more...zzzzzzz
Thanks again to you guys for encouraging me!
P.S.: eh, I have to draw my awatar - still didn't got one, what a shame!
03 March 2005, 05:01 PM
The horse is really beautiful and the master character is coming on real nice - I really like your style with this.
You wanted reference for the horse teeth - here you go
Now you only have to decide exactly how old the horse is :)
03 March 2005, 07:11 PM
I'm increadibly grateful to you for the link - photo is allready on my HDD.
Yeah, I agree - there is realy some stuff to adjust. Will start that right nowhttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon13.gif
Wow, thanks Gunillahttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon4.gifhttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon4.gif
If honestly, starting Master, I have almost forgotten about missing details of my horsy...
Your help is more than wanted! Now I am working not at home, so it would be real problem for me to find some reference now. Life becomes easear http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon12.gif.
I have already downloded that image - very helpful!!
Ok, master, please wait a little - horse need some more attention:)
Gonna post more this night!
03 March 2005, 10:24 PM
Well, I've changed some proportions of my horse (chest, legs) and suarly - teeth with tongue (not much detailed due to it's stylisation and afterall, now I can't offer myself lots of details untill I have all in general mass:). Now go back to master...
03 March 2005, 10:39 PM
Looking quite nice Vol......... Well done.......Somehow when I look at him I feel he needs this something more.......It's really a taste thing so dont mind me much.....but if he were in my hands I would give him more exageration.....a bit more size....muscle........More like Donkey In shrek when he became the stallion.........Just thinking out loud here.what you have is real nice....but I would just add a bit more pop to it,more fun and exageration......Anyways keep it going,I;ll be looking in....all the best to you....:arteest:
03 March 2005, 11:51 PM
Thanks a lot for suggestion, Virtuoso http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon3.gif http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon4.gif
It is really exciting when one can refine his a work to push it closer to cool!
There were couple of times when I was sure that model is done in it's personality, but there always some idea comes! I just love it:scream: !
It is good that you remind me Donkey/stallion. That's an outstanding character! Why not? After some tweakin' with master's head I'll use again my plastic hirurgy http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
Dam, my mood becomes better!
03 March 2005, 02:29 AM
I guess I've finished with master's head modelling in general. Remains the same as for horse: hairs (think to make them also with planes and opacity maps). I've put some proxy eyes just to show their future alignement. Ah, the same mistake - forgot teeth:))
ok, add them later. And now - back to horse. Gotta make it cool!
03 March 2005, 04:49 AM
Here are some changes I recently add to horsy. Post it not finished again - but will not be able to post something new during next day, so that's I've got for now.
Virtuoso - a bit more exageration, but still not happy with it - will ellaborate more...
03 March 2005, 04:51 AM
C:cool: :cool:L............... :arteest:
03 March 2005, 05:12 AM
Oh my gosh, all of you concepts are just making me giggle! I just love them! That horse is so awesome, I especially love the image of him after you added the teeth. He has such a hilariously proud look! And the master's face is coming along so nicely!
Ok, I admit it, I know nothing about 3D rendering or modelling. I'm a 2D person. But I like this a lot. Keep up the great work!
03 March 2005, 05:28 AM
Your horse is amazing love the cartoon style. I can't wait to see it shaded. Great work.:thumbsup:
03 March 2005, 01:12 PM
the horse looks completely ok to me now, youīre doing a great job!
03 March 2005, 01:30 PM
i really love ur style dude !
it remind me some disney work or something like that. When i say that i think to ur horse.
continu like that good start!
03 March 2005, 02:12 PM
the horse got a disney touch,
maybe you should fix a noseholes to make them smoother.
anyway, i like it :)
keep on working :)
03 March 2005, 02:20 PM
love your design. cool horse.
03 March 2005, 04:30 PM
WOW, wow, wow!! I appreciate it truly!
I so glad you like it, people!
When yousome work you like - it bring pleasure.
But if you create something what you can show to others and receive feedback - triple ultra cool:scream:
I recently woke up, so now need to remember what I has finishing with...
In my last version of a horse I've got those #%^#* mesh distortions
whtich hard to get rid of if working with hi-res mesh! Those are in rear part of model...
Guess I'll turn back to my recovered version and go in another direction. Think this won't take
lots of time - just to be happy with it!
Thnaks for suggestion, 007cat!
After overal rifinement I'll analyse it's nose - probably gonna fix some details!
See ya soon!
03 March 2005, 04:36 PM
cool modelss !!
waiting to see more !!
good luck !! c ya !
03 March 2005, 06:58 PM
Ok, I'm happy (for now ;-)
I've added more evident and a bit increased muscles. Adjustet nose holes as well.
I leave it in this condition till texturing phase (well, if some day I will not notice something
which won't leave me calm:))
C&Cs form you, guys, are increadibly welcome!!
Yuor advices considerably helped me!
Uuuu..., i like so much using global illumination to present models:))) - and finaly I can!
Never mind - I'm sik I guess:)
03 March 2005, 07:41 PM
Ay matey... here i am again. :P
Horsy is looking sexy... Masters face is coming along real nice. Nothing more to add then keep going and i'm waiting for the next updates.
04 April 2005, 07:33 PM
It's funny! :) Good model
04 April 2005, 09:29 PM
Now if "Donkey"..............from Shrek got a look at her..............:love:
Nice xxxxageration Vol..........I knew it would work...it's come out real nice...I kind of pictured this......You did real well in executing the more toon and fun side.....I like him almost as much as Donkey does I am sure.......;)
Well done....and I'll stay tuned for more as you move forward.......See you then.....Well done..........:arteest:
04 April 2005, 06:19 AM
Well, this horse is perfect.
I like this "cartoony style" of your drawings also very much.
Very curious how the final result will turn out!
04 April 2005, 01:34 PM
yes i would have to agree with the others.. your sticking to your style and thats tops dude :thumbsup: the horse looks very stylised and original... fantastic stuff lets see more!!
04 April 2005, 06:00 PM
Happy you like it cg-people:bounce:
All this gives me a good acceleration you know! Gonna feel better rest of the day!!!
Ok, this evening/night have to finish my master's body (well, only those parts uncovered by armour and clothing). Now I've got head and hand comleted, so still need to stich htem, add neck (oh, recently remebered about this:) and define general corpo shape.
Ok,ok - less words, more action! In some time gonna post more images.
Thanks you all once again!
Virtuoso, now I'm really happy with the horse - shrek-donkey idea fits me superb! Thanks, man:applause:
04 April 2005, 07:11 PM
... very nice modeling ... i like the cartoon style of your characters ... that brings originality to your work ... waiting to see your others characters ...
Good luck :thumbsup:
04 April 2005, 08:28 PM
looks very good so far,
cant wait to see your master :-)
04 April 2005, 09:45 PM
Here is some of my progress with master.
No shading for now - only some diffuse color different from gray.
Bottom part will be added soon (more or less:)
Don't pay much attention on his chest and that what is lower it - that part will be covered
by armour, so just to create some volume...
Well, actually now got no idea how to quickly setup bones for neck movement.
Ok, that will figure out later (maybe will use just poly modelling - that's not an animation, but I'd like to practice:)
In some details he's a bit different from scetch but not much.
Now continue with the rest:)
Wait for your c&cs guys!
04 April 2005, 02:18 AM
one more update for this night - guess now going to sleep.zzzzz
Here all master's body is finished (middle body part - the same, only schematical to have some volume).
In the middle geometry is not connected - no need:)
Well, some tweaking could happen - no doubts (as usual:)
Boots are ready (in general) right now cause they were created from legs' geometry, but he is still nude...
Tomorrow - begin with clothing.
Maybe boots will be changed later on - could be they will not fit properly the horse.
04 April 2005, 01:45 AM
So, here is my master's model completed with just general coloring of different parts to make it clear what is what. Textures will arrive later:) Steel need adjust a little his hairs.
Wait for your C&C's !!
04 April 2005, 02:32 AM
The horse and warrior dude look very good, I like the style of the models. Good luck with this.
04 April 2005, 03:09 AM
Soon gonna be new updates...
04 April 2005, 03:11 AM
I specially like the horse of course the knigt looks mega cool, :thumbsup:waiting to see more! :bounce:
04 April 2005, 03:32 AM
:applause: great derky really great... love the model.. really awesome coming along nicely..
04 April 2005, 04:30 AM
Climax, Neeno! Thank you guys for comments. I really need to break up this scielence:)
Ok, now don't know what to start with : modelling a dragon or continue with details (weapon for master etc.)...
Anyway, now going to university and will try not to fall asleap there, which is not easy:)
04 April 2005, 04:53 AM
your master looks really good to me... keep it up....
04 April 2005, 05:04 AM
good work so far on your modeling from your concept. and i wish you the best of luck
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=223443 <- 3d master and severant
04 April 2005, 10:42 AM
Heeey nice going mate! looks really good... it is coming together pretty quick.
Still awaiting every update. :)
04 April 2005, 12:57 PM
Прикольный чел! :)
вот только по моему сугубо ламерскому мнению плечи уж больно грубую границу имеют с остальной частью рук, даже для мультяшного перса. И кисти рук совсем не нравятся, они должны заканчиваться там, где у тебя безымяный палец, хотя если они будут сжаты в кулак то мож и нормально будет.
Вобщем мои советы можешь и не слушать :)
Great work! Good luck!
04 April 2005, 02:10 PM
Your master looks splendid! You really made him match the style of the horse perfect - this is getting so cool. Can't wait to see them in the environment :thumbsup:
04 April 2005, 02:24 PM
I like how it's coming along so far. Style is interesting. Keep it up.
04 April 2005, 02:28 PM
Far out how did I miss this one??? This is Awsome work :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
You are very talented Volodymyr! Keep up the good work dude.....Already subscribed :0)
Can't wait to see more here... rock on :buttrock:
04 April 2005, 08:59 PM
Wow! Juha, hands0nfire, Reinier, Ellon, Gunilla, Brent_3D, blackdragoncg - thanks a lot for giving a look at my work!!!
So happy to receive comments after so long break!
Tomorrow will continue with increased feeling of sence of life:)
Hope to start dragon modelling!
Recently have tried to figure out some texturing method... Well, have some problems with unwrapping:( master's head - too many overlaping vertexes... Ok, no problem - only need to learn some tutorials:)
Still not sure - wheather use nuwrap on low-res or high-res mesh.
Ellon, спасибо за комент! Я хочу, чтоб руки были наиболее выразительными (на равне с лицом), потому и удлинил их. Да и пальцы хотелось иметь длинными... Ничего - при позиционировании погляжу - может чего и придется изменить. Да, плечами не очень я доволен, но хотел сначала проверить, как там будет сгиб при снаряжении костями, а там возможно придется подкорректировать немного.
Не скромничай - как так "не слушать"!!! Слушать, слушать!
04 April 2005, 09:14 PM
that is one really cool looking model. nicely stylized. i like it!
04 April 2005, 09:15 PM
Hi Deryk, this is coming along consistently fast and with a cool styling to it all. Keep it all coming mate:thumbsup:
04 April 2005, 02:47 PM
Mordalles, DaddyMack - thanks for your comments, guys!
Uff, couple of hours was struggling with unwraping, using different IDs... need to practice more, but finaly I've came to some results:)
Next few days seem to be heavy, so guess will not post much :(
But now I'm more or less sure with my time - beleive to finish it in time!
04 April 2005, 03:28 PM
hmm,i LOVED ur horse! lookin so nice!and neat! i think the palm of ur character could be more wide and must have some inner forms,i doono if i have said it truly!
anyway,nice and good luck!
04 April 2005, 03:34 PM
great modeling!!! :thumbsup:
04 April 2005, 03:36 PM
dont have time to go threw the thread but this looks fantastic. excelent modeling so far.
keep it up... im subscribing now!
04 April 2005, 05:03 PM
Ehh, new updates - just love IT!!!
I appreciate a lot your C&Cs friends!
tilite, pitty you didn't had much time, but happy you like my work. By the way, me also sometimes hardly find sufficient time for threads...with my dying connection:) life is not easy, eh :)
Hope to see you looking in sometimes!!
el_newty, thanks, man!!
Madlight_1988 - thank you for advice! Well, I'll make an overall look at charachter later on, actually I wanded to make fingers more important and expressive, but inner surface is not much detailed - you're right. Just crazy with time limits I have, so I was making everything as quick as possible to have more objects defined. Anyway - I'll see http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
04 April 2005, 08:12 PM
Awesome modeling job! You really have an excellent concept here and I can't wait to see more! :thumbsup:
04 April 2005, 05:27 PM
hey menĄ excellent work, I like the horse, I hope to see more :D
04 April 2005, 06:31 PM
Uff, I guess I've fixed up my "unwrapping problem" :) Only pretty much time needed... But that's later. Anyway, for now I've found new solution for characters' hairs. So I'm double happy now! I was so concentrated on max that I've completely forgoten about my old but good cinema4d (issue 2000 !). It has cool freeware (!) plug-in for creating grass and hairs (HairDepartment by BGS group). Well, it has bugs but for stills works perfectly and very fast to use! Here I've created hairs for master - before posing cause their shape will not chage due to their short lenght. But for horse I'll make them after posing because I'll be able to see what direction and shape to set up. Here hairs are not rich for polygons cause they will not be seen a lot and will not appear in big size on the final picture (weel, let's see:)
04 April 2005, 07:23 PM
Very cool character. Nice STRONG features. I love it! :thumbsup:
04 April 2005, 07:49 PM
hay dude ! lookin really cool !.. i was wondering if u could info us on how u did the hair ?? it looks really cool and i cant tell if u just used geometry ( thin cylinders or something of the nature) or if u used a hair program ?? either way it looks so sweet and i would love to know how u done it !
04 April 2005, 08:18 PM
Hey Deryk, really great job! :applause: I love the shape and style and the hair really works great with it. Keep the updates coming!
04 April 2005, 05:36 AM
Hi everyone! Pleased to receive C&Cs from all of you!
mmbenya, yeray, safe05 - thanks for incouraging words! In acouple of days (ohh, too long, but can't do nothing - so bussy these days, dam:(
hyperSasquatch, well, actually I've posted explanations together with picture, but anyway, briefly: I've usd hair-creating plug-in for cinema4d (suggest that you try this soft - good stuff, older issues can be obtained for free!), then I've exported model back to max and now hairs are just polygon model. If I want to change them, I'll have to put model again to cin4d and create new hairs, as plu-in uses model geometry for this... Pretty simple!
Thank you once more, guys!
04 April 2005, 08:37 AM
Hey Volodymyr, can you tell us how you did the hair?
Looking very good dude....I love your style.... awsome work man looking forward to seeing the complete work.... good luck with all mate... rock on :buttrock:
04 April 2005, 11:02 AM
Hey:bounce: blackdragoncg, love jokes!!!
You know, these days forum is the only thing that connects me to the challenge (as my creative proc temporary freezed:) so now I'm always happy to write more and more - as long as my modem connection can handle:)
Anyway, glad you like it!!!
04 April 2005, 11:33 AM
Glad to see you've rediscovered hair dept, for a freeby it can't be beat. Great style with your modeling. Looking forward to see things progress. http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon7.gifhttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon13.gif
04 April 2005, 01:53 PM
Yep - the hair really works :thumbsup:
I read that you've had problems with doing it in MAX. It's probably to late now that you solved it with cinema4d, but have you checked out Ornatrix (http://www.ibmr.net/Ornatrix/)? There is a free demo to try. I've just tested it briefly so I can't really say much but I've seen some pretty good results with it. Might come in handy another time.
So, what's next? The environment? Looking forward to see more - splendid so far:)
04 April 2005, 02:31 PM
handlebar, Gunilla - thanks for passing by people!!!
Yeah, handlebar, thanks to your thread I've discovered that solution!!!
Gunilla, appreciate a lot your help! No, it's not too late! Horse still remains!
Already downloaded plug-in! Gonna try it as soon I'll have timehttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
P.S.: Yeehaaa! Have new hope with texturing - vertex paint approoved by me and for me!!!
04 April 2005, 07:23 AM
hey there dude models looking great man.. i love the hair suits the character very well.. great progress..
04 April 2005, 09:01 AM
Hey, your character start to have great personnality. Keep going.
04 April 2005, 09:31 AM
Just browsing through and woa...
the stuff just looks funny... great to see folks going this route on this subject...what creativity...
keep it coming!
04 April 2005, 12:10 PM
ok im back.. and read threw, most, of ur thread.
i love the concept and ur sketches are awesome... the modeling is great too
cant wait for this to develop
this character remides me of the general in the Nijai (http://www.ninjai.com/index.php)animation strip
keep it up
04 April 2005, 01:22 PM
Hoooo! What a pleasure to receive posts more and more!!! Thanks a lot!
Dam, I feel so sorry not to have made nothing significant since my last update (other duties grrrr!!!)...
Ok, this night I hope to have some time to work.
But there is also a good side of a medal - I've got lots of inspiration from your works, people!
Now really have to continue someting if I want to arrive to finish:)
Neeno - thanks man for incouraging and keeping visiting my thread!!!
authentic - good to hear positive oppinions (well, actually it is good to hear all kinds of them, but these are better:)
smallone3d - hey, I really wanted it to be a bit funny, glad you like it. Thanks!
tilite - thanks a lot for link. I've already visited it - but unfortunately for a very short time, as my modem connection doesn't permit staying on-line for sufficient time. Need to view it from other pc :(
thanks again, glad to see everyone herehttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon4.gif
04 April 2005, 06:06 AM
No way.... u need to see all the Ninjai... its one of my favourite anumations. u need to sit down one evening with a tub of hot cocoa and watch all 12 episodes
04 April 2005, 11:47 AM
Continue with modelling. This time Dragon, as promised:)
I don't want ot split my workflow, so first gonna do all modelling
(well, maybe will start texturing right after all character models done and will continue with surroundings later).
For now I've got a head. Main body mass will not take lot's of time but wings and especially claws require more accurasy:)
Happy to have finaly moved on. Last night I was sleaping despite my plans, so hope to continue today/tomorrow...
And as usual - all kinds of C&Cs are my sence of life:)
04 April 2005, 11:57 AM
Ok tilite, this night I plan to have access to faster internet than I'm having at home, so suarly gonna see that animation http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon4.gif
I'm very curious, man! http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
04 April 2005, 03:56 PM
Looking good, Deryk! Really dig your style. (strong features) As far as crit, the only thing that sticks out for me is the mouth seems a little "empty"...I think it's the width of the jaw compared to the tongue...You might want to try bringing the underside of the tongue (near the back) down to meet the bottom of the mouth and maybe widen the tongue a little in the back. It seems to be floating in the mouth. The eyes, snout, etc are right on and very cool. Keep it up! :thumbsup:
04 April 2005, 08:22 PM
safe05, thanks for advise. You're right, now I need to review it once more (as usual...)
Now will continue with all other, but the tongue will be ajusted for sure.
04 April 2005, 11:28 PM
tilite, you were more than right! Unforgetable animation!!
Just can't stop watching http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon10.gifhttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon4.gif
I'm inspired so much with it's environments that I think to try that cool coloristics for my bg (actually till now I was not sure about the kind of nature around but now I understand how to make it simple and cool looking!).
Wow, it's sounds are wonderfull, especially actor speaking as boy-ninja! No comments for music - very, very good work!
I put a link once more to make others see it: watch it! (http://www.ninjai.com/index.php)
04 April 2005, 12:24 AM
Just keep rolling it in Vol.....safe05 gave the best tips.just what i thought...just thicken that tongue out,flare it more from the back towards the front....tapered,smaller as it goes forward......Ok keep this thing rolling,looking real nice......:arteest:
04 April 2005, 03:46 AM
Ok, more or less I've defined dragon's body shape. Well, some artifacts on wings still remain - I will see wheather to correct them with textures or doing more adjusments in model...
Dragon will be dark in general so I beleive some stuff will not be visible!
Anyway, tongue is corrected a bit - safe05, Virtuoso - thank you for suggestions!
04 April 2005, 04:35 AM
i agree with the boys above about the tounge to jaw ratio... maybe it would just be easier to redesign the tounge... i mean u would assume that a dragon has a tounge like a snake but really they would probably have a crocodile... see if u can find some images.
its a really cool dragon.. very streamline and he talons on its feet rock!!
i think u need to express the flexability of the tail abit tho
great work keep it up
04 April 2005, 04:15 PM
I like your horse, style and modeling, very cool man ! the haed of your Master is kinda cool too!
Your dragon appear more as a bat to me though ;O) ... it could be much thicker, keep in mind it's got bones structure underneath, organs, muscles... I can feel that on your horse even though it's stylized... but with the dragon I don't... and its head is a bit flat to my taste.
Anyway, good job and good luck!
04 April 2005, 08:29 PM
Thanks a lor C&Cs !
Now I have no doubts that Dragon is still too fresh!
tilite - poor tongue:) Comments form other people always make stuff more clear! It will be changed!
Adriano_Zanetti - yes, I agree - it really needs more "meat" inside, gonna fix it after I sleep a bit ;0
But the head I prefer to be flat - due to it's stylisation. Thanks for your oppinion, man!
Hope to finaly finish my character modelling and start texturing and rigging!
04 April 2005, 09:20 PM
dude thoose sketches are asume.........i like the dragon and the knight and the horse!
04 April 2005, 09:27 PM
you came a long way keep up the work!:applause:
04 April 2005, 06:16 AM
I like your style and modeling
04 April 2005, 09:47 AM
What a cool stuff having new visitors!
Riddick1 - thank you for giving a look at my thread. I appreciate you've looked through all of my work!
Maxter - happy you like it, mate!
Soon gonna post more updates, guys!!!
04 April 2005, 04:35 AM
ohhh yeeeeh how kewl is that dragon deryk looks man.. He reminds me of a shifty little dragon. the work on the claws looks great man.. great clean modeling cant wait for the textures.. i love how your keeping to the style of the scene from the horse to the character and now to this.. its a very stylised piece and i likem it.. way to go my friend
04 April 2005, 05:28 PM
Really like how the dragon beasty is coming along. Do you plan on rigging the character too? Keep up the excellent work! :thumbsup:
04 April 2005, 06:10 PM
Hey, there's a dragon! And just as good as your other models :thumbsup:
I'm beginning to get very curious about what the environment will look like - any chance of a draft layout? Keep it up, it goes so well :)
04 April 2005, 07:06 PM
Sorry - still no updates... Well, actually Dragon is already textured and even "boned" but now I don't like it's textures! Gonna change it and also overall mapping style :(
Begin onece more...
Lost one night:(
Anyway, I've got an experience - need to learn on own mistakes.
Neeno - thanks mate for warm words! It is good to hear that you agree that style fits for all models. Already planning textures but still hesitate with horse - not sure about it's overall color scheme.
safe05 - glad you like it! Appreciate your comments! Yes, I'll deform them all with bones - more flexible (except face - gonna be fixed expression)
Ok, ok Gunilla, I just can't wait to start some environment draft! Actually I have finished already decided it in colorrs. Dam, don't know what to start: redo dragon tex, start enviroment... Ok, I'll make this way: first figure out stuff with dragon, than set color map for horse and after - color layout!
Thanks guys for giving me your supporthttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
04 April 2005, 07:50 PM
Hi Deryk, your creature looks great mate:thumbsup: I dig the form all round, It contains some good details around the bendy bits. I'd maybe add a little more strength around his jawline tho...Keep it coming man
04 April 2005, 07:49 PM
Hey Deryk, wow so many great updates, I just had to go and check out that horse again it is just too cool! I also really like the shape of the dragon's head, very smooth! :applause:
04 April 2005, 06:44 AM
Good to hear from you, guys!
DaddyMack, appreciate your comments! Now dragon is already finaly defined but I'll post image together with textures.
Thanks mmbenya - that always encourages for more!! Happy you find it smooth - had to make somewhere very dence mesh to achieve that :)
now back to work...
04 April 2005, 12:54 PM
I think the dragon looks great, you've got the body mass just right for a believable 'flying' dragon. The expression is also really cool. http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon7.gifhttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon13.gif
04 April 2005, 01:38 PM
hey deryk... about colour scheme for horse i say a nice shade of brown.. that would be my idea .. brown would suit your scene or even a nice greyish/white horse.. see hwo you go.. i keep my eye out for your next post.. good luck man!!
04 April 2005, 03:06 PM
hi! the models are very stylish, keep on! update!
04 April 2005, 09:53 PM
That's an evil looking critter you've got going there. If I was to add anything I'd say give him bigger muscles around his wing joints. Perhaps take a look at a fruit bats structure, I know it's fantasy but it helps to have refrence. Looking good i'll be watching the development. :thumbsup:
04 April 2005, 08:14 AM
Ups, sorry, have deleted this image... posted above!
Thanks for all of your comments, people!
Every of them successfully entered the model !!
That helped a lot!
04 April 2005, 08:18 AM
oh yeh...this is great...good progress here man if your saying your just learning this thats some great work for beginner.. fantastic.. since its still a wip im not going to crit anything .. really good deryk sticking to style i love that
04 April 2005, 12:37 PM
Sorry guys, I've deleted previous post so i post the same image, as I don't know how to correct it other way...
Little confusion :)
04 April 2005, 12:52 PM
And here as promised more informational stuff :)
I've put unwrapping coords, example of main color map (as there couple of them mixed) and some clearer veiws of textured model.
Well, don't laugh, but now I find color scheme very close to "Incredibles" style, but I swear that was not in mind :) - I've noticed it only at the end!
Obviously that animation have caused great influence on my mind:) But I like as it is now - black lines to underline some important parts, like eyes, long tale etc.
I want it to be bright, so I've choosen reddish/orange colors. And it will have a smoke going from it's mouth, so these colors are appropriate for FIRE feeling I guess.
What do you think?
P.S.: ah, now have noticed unsutisfactive opacity on wing... Dam, need to corrrect it.
04 April 2005, 12:56 PM
Neeno, thanks a lot, mate!
Well, not totally beginner:), but I really didn't do unwrapping with complex models and some cool bone tools in max before (as previously I worked in cinema4d). So actually i was doing the same work twice - mistakes and progress always go together:)
I like to learn new things! http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
04 April 2005, 02:47 PM
Really like the patterns and color choice. Really changes the mood of the character. Makes him look meaner. :)
04 April 2005, 04:01 PM
Way to go on the texturing Deryk, it looks great! :applause: Very well done, I like the eyes a lot, they appear to gleam.
04 April 2005, 10:23 PM
hey! colors are a great choice! I thought it was going to be green but red is more powerful and... violent!
hereīs a couple of suggestions: Iīll try to add a little more bumpiness to the draki lol, and just watch out the silhouette to make it readable, like it is a pity to loose the great shape the dragonīs head has. Well just suggestions, anyway it looks very good now.
04 April 2005, 10:33 PM
Great modeling, I really like the look of the characters. :thumbsup:
I agree with bealobo about adding more bumpiness to the dragon but maybe youve only applied the color as yet?
04 April 2005, 07:40 AM
Hey, good to see all of you here!!
Wave666 - hey, thanks mate! Glad you like my characters! Actually bump now is not very strong - gonna be changed later on.
bealobo - bueno to see you on my thread! Actually I was thinkng of green too, but I've found it too standart. Just want to make picture bright and all in warm color scheme. Amout of bumps will be suarly corrected whem there will be final composition (when I can see wheather it is visible enough from camera point or not). And position - yes it gonna be another. Here I just put it as an example of rigged character. Thanks for looking in!
mmbenya - thanks for comments! I really gave the eye high amount of self-illum. to contrast with black pattern.
safe05 - good to hear that you find colors really influence the mood. That where I'm experimenting :) And yes - he is MEAN!
Appreciate everything http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon4.gifhttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon3.gif Now will continue with master - I missed him http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
04 April 2005, 02:25 PM
Iīll be waiting for the new updates!
04 April 2005, 03:20 PM
yeah i agree colour choice is good.. works very well with lighting.(reds oranges) etc.. good job dude.. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
04 April 2005, 03:41 PM
cool dragon, how r u?
all the best man
04 April 2005, 11:36 PM
Your cartoon style and paint, texture etc. is striking.
I am waiting for the result.
04 April 2005, 04:25 AM
Ok, finaly new post from me. Sorry, I was so bussy these days (and I'm afraid will be:)... Never mind :) So, here is Master I'd say finished with textures (just a little tweaking with uvw for metal plain near his neck and shading hairs). I want also add eyebrows but after posind and making face expression. Still rigging remains. And horse of coures:) Sorry Gunilla, guess I'll finish all characters before envirobment :(
Wait for C&Cs!!
Now wanna sleep increadibly zzzzzzzzz
04 April 2005, 09:20 AM
i think the arms need a lil work but the rest is great.. i dont have time to examine but ill be back with my full opinion... but if these proportions were ur intentions prevent me from posting again with a simple "shut-up dickhead"... that should do it :)
04 April 2005, 10:57 AM
he looks fantastic deryk !! great Job! dirty his hands up a little more.. the spec map on the metal is really good i think.. works well.!! cant wate to see this composited! great stuff
04 April 2005, 12:24 PM
Now I'm awake and impatient to seee what's new...
I know I repeat it not for the first time but anyway I'll be saying it more and more: it rocks receive feedbacks!!
thanks so much for your C&Cs!
Neeno - well, guess you're right. I think hands really seem to be too light and therefore gonna be "darkened/dirtied" partly a bit later on. Even more at bottom area. Thanks, man!
tilite - thanks a lot for comments, mate! Eh, sorry but actually I really wanted arms to be exagerated in such a way (especially fingers - more expressive this way)... Also taking into consideration little time left unfortunately I'll be able tweaking only texturing/shading for him :(
But newer "shut-up" !! Can't wait to receive full oppinion!
04 April 2005, 12:53 PM
Wow! this is coming together great! i really like your textures, fantastic work. http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon7.gifhttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon13.gif
04 April 2005, 06:40 PM
Looking good. I think the viens in his neck and arms may be a bit too large; maybe they'd look better toned down a little bit. But otherwise, I like it a lot.
(...Yay, more dragon entries!....)
04 April 2005, 09:56 PM
great texturing. i like the armour. looks cool with the rust and stuff.
04 April 2005, 07:41 AM
Hey people, thanks for comming in!
Happy you find it interesting to discuss!http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon3.gif
Mordalles - thanks a lot for incouraging! Close to deadline we all need it!
ChrisThatGuy - appreciate yor advice, mate! Yes, after positioning all together I'll check bumps a nd speculars more precicely. His viens probably will be less "bumpy".
handlebar - good to hear positive words from you! Really can't wait to put together that suff but... Ok, just a bit more time!
04 April 2005, 02:31 PM
Really nice texturing for the master :thumbsup:
... and now, could we see the environment, please? :)
Just kidding, this is coming on really well - I'm sure the full scene is worth waiting for ;)
04 April 2005, 09:00 PM
Ok guys, now I can finaly start thinking about my horse's texturing!
Some more tweaking with master and it's done! Horsy, I'm comming for you!
04 April 2005, 10:40 PM
I like a lot the textures there, good job!
04 April 2005, 12:23 AM
Deryk way to go mate hes looking fantastic as ever... a very very good choice of character in concept and look at the (close to final) result fantastic deryk!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: from me!
04 April 2005, 12:25 AM
Great Job, you old pal, tell the strange one that he did a good job in you!:thumbsup: but also tell him that you will need those weapons to be really ready for action! :scream:
04 April 2005, 12:31 AM
master looks cool!
good luck with the horse
Volodymyr Dergachov has entered the Master and Servant 3D.
Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=6652)
Latest Update: Modeling: master rigged!
Ok guys, now I can finaly start thinking about my horse's texturing!
Some more tweaking with master and it's done! Horsy, I'm comming for you!
04 April 2005, 01:34 AM
Thank so muchMUCH to everyone, slaves of digits, as well as me :)
bealobo - this is my first exp with texturing with such kind of chracter, so it's undescriably cool hear good oppinions about it!
Neeno - thanks greatly for continious support, mate! It's really important for me you like how it's appearing!
Climax - suarly I'll tell him - those artists so difficult you know! Do what they want to do and I have to wait... Oh, it's ok - he just has finished my weapons (rather simple but appropriate for concept). Ufff, now I feel better!
monica.ta - yes, thank you monica, I'll need all luck - all possible :)
This night I'm finaly with fast net, so gonna visit some threads - dam, can't remember even when I was participating in forum normaly.
I'm grateful for your feedback, guyshttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon4.gifhttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon4.gif
04 April 2005, 06:03 AM
It goes better and better as i see, i dont know if you need a good luck if you will continue like that. (if you see what i mean:)
05 May 2005, 05:40 PM
Hey there again, it really looks like he is ready for action! I can't wait to see him on that horse. Great job all around! :applause:
05 May 2005, 10:10 AM
For now i have my hrse's texturing. Would have posted earlier but I had to learn some stuff using mentalray (as this renderer is new for me). For now I leave it as it is, but later on want to add hairs (ok, told that before, sorry) and some little hairs on bottom of legs.
But now I have to hurry up with the stuff to put on the horse, rigg it and let master to take his place. After - envir.
Dam, last day haven't appropriate mood for work - shame on me :( today must work better!
Look forward to receive guests with C&Cs !!
05 May 2005, 10:29 AM
Hi vol.......You have come around quite nicely.......I like the idea of "Wispy hair"......possibly a thick mane of hair too would look nice.......Lots of nice creations here,keep up the good work,it's coming along real well.....i'll check back as you go forward......See you then....:arteest:
05 May 2005, 11:45 AM
I've just walk on your thread... very interesting Volodymyr... really :thumbsup:
I like your style... so sympathic... I hope to see more nearly... good continuation and best wishes mate :buttrock:
05 May 2005, 01:38 PM
The front legs of the horse stick out a bit too far at the lower joint, are you going for an anotomy correct one or is this intentional? :hmm:. Other than that no real crits.
Love how he looks with the eyes. Great style :thumbsup:
05 May 2005, 01:47 PM
He's so funny with that little smile ... I think you should give him curls ;)
Now, let's see the rest :twisted:
05 May 2005, 04:45 PM
ok, I'm going on step by step... Thanks increadibly for feedback you give me! Always work better when feeling myself not alonehttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
Virtuoso - ohh, happy to finaly see you back! I was about to think you've forgotten about my thread forever :) Good you like the process! Hope to see you more here!
Lemog - thanks for kind words, mate! I really wanded toacheve sympathic and king look of my servant.
3dRaven - happy you like my style! This was my first serious try in this direction, so always pleasant to see others find it interesting! Unfortunately probably I'll be not making corrections tio modelling as this can be done forever :) Anyway some exagerations are intentional, hope not too much http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon12.gif But thanks a lot for suggestions!
Gunilla - yeah, you're right - now THE REST! Btw, that smile is temporary - he's usually very bad one! Be aware of him!
05 May 2005, 05:06 PM
Great work... amazing modelling and well done textures... I like your cartoon style...
see you friend :thumbsup:
05 May 2005, 08:37 PM
This has to be one for the coolest cartoon horses that I have ever seen! :thumbsup: I like the way you worked the front legs out, it really makes the servant pop. Keep these excellent updates coming! :D
05 May 2005, 09:28 PM
that actually is great great great!
05 May 2005, 03:50 AM
hehe great horse... i like the certian comic exagurations uve made... if hat was ur intention...(if not:shrug: sry... lol)
its a great lil model... when u update with hair can u just explain ur process a lil.... not a full on tutorial (unless of course u want to :)) but just a pic of 2 and some words.
05 May 2005, 07:31 AM
Wow, so many kind oppinons !! Grateful to you guys for support!
Recently i've discovered that deadline is 18 but not 15 as I was thinking before - that's great! Now if I go to mountains for week-end for couple of days i'll not loose nothinkg!
Wandddo - good to see you here after a while! Your work continues very good as well - already visited!
mmbenya - hey your comments can turn me into a self-confident one :twisted: ! Thanks for incouraging me contiously, mate!!
bealobo - thank you Beatriz for comming in! Really nice you find it great!
tilite - wow, you're finaly here! I was waiting really long time ;) Suarly I'll post some explanations with pleasure, but what part you're interested in: modelling and tex in general or adding hairs etc. ? (the technical way they appear actually I don't like much but for now have no choise :(
Everything what is demanded http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
See you all!!
05 May 2005, 08:50 AM
That is great...
I can see the heavy black tail twirling back and forth as the horse galops on the trail...
love it ...want to see more.
05 May 2005, 12:06 AM
Always enjoy your work, Deryk. :) Nice, simple colors work really well for your characters. Will be checking in more often. ;) Keep up the good work.
05 May 2005, 08:33 PM
uff, these days were not much productive (ok, ok, no more negative comments from me;)
but anyway for now I can show my object composing process. I've defined general frames with square aspect, camera rotation to the left and the first layout of characters. Evironments are quick dravn not to leave empty soace around but it already defines color scheme. There are still some details in modelling and posing not done (stirrups, refine position of shield, tiny fur for "on-horse" clothes sides, master's fingers have not 100% correct positioning etc.) I'll also make some texture tweaking (first candate - dragon's wing transarency)
And ligthning - just rough setup to illuminate unioformly my scene. Have to work more (still not a lightning wip jet :)
Yes, yes, horse's hairs will arrive soon - just was so excited having arrived to overall composition that I've completely forget abuot them! Sorry ;)
As always I wait impatiently for your c&Cs!
05 May 2005, 08:50 PM
Looks great, Deryk. I really like the overlap of characters and the space occupied by the dragon. Really makes him seem like a threat. :thumbsup: While playing with the poses, try turning the dragons head in a little more towards the horse + rider and see how that looks. (e.g. turn the dragon into more of a 'C' shape) His head/neck just seems a little short this pose. Keep on rockin'. :buttrock:
05 May 2005, 09:30 PM
Hey interesting image, love it
05 May 2005, 10:00 PM
heheh ... very funny :bounce:
The characters and the expressions are great. :thumbsup:
A plus could be a helmet to the horseman ... and the background could be more detailed ...
05 May 2005, 10:27 PM
looks like a 3d cartoon film! great!:thumbsup:
Iīd try to change a bit the dragon thought, it is soo great that dragon that it is a pity itīs little seen in that position.
05 May 2005, 07:14 AM
Good to have more guests! Appreciate guys you're here!
Thanks greatly for priceless advices ;) Gonna fix much stuff here!
smallone3d - you see, now horse galops indeed, but tail will arrive soon :)
safe05 - thanks mate! Yes, I'll ellaborate dragon's pose more towards longer neck. It is really pitty for me that his head shape getting lost from front view but otherwise he will ot fit general "look at" between characters. Will try to do something here.
ilusiondigital - appreciate kind words!
JR.BRAZ - glad you like characters' expressions as I had little doubts about them! This background is just "proxy" - there will be also 3d objects suarly. But in general I want to leave it simple because of time limits and due to low horison there will not be visible many details and I just want ot create huge open space.
bealobo - thank you Beatriz! Really pleasant to hear about 3d film when talking about my picture! Ye, that's soe kind of puzzle - I was creating dragon just for fun and didn't think much wheather all his shpes will have good angle towards spectator... But hope to fix it a little!
But now I feel much much better - now have some general stuff almost alive so it becomes easier!
05 May 2005, 07:21 AM
Finally an overview - and it's looking great! I really like what you've done in this challenge - congrats :thumbsup:
05 May 2005, 08:00 AM
Volodymyr the camera is setup great :thumbsup:. Can't wait for more updates. I'd add in dust coming up from the horses hooves. Maybe a small pack with equipment behind the sadle? A bottle of water, maybe a sword, and stuff like that...
05 May 2005, 08:24 AM
Really great the way you havec captured movement and relationship. There is still work, especially on the bg but it's growing up well.:thumbsup:
05 May 2005, 09:54 AM
hmm,Great deryk! is it the final composition?!:thumbsup: am lookin back for more...
05 May 2005, 08:32 PM
Life becomes more optimistic after receiving such precious attention!
Actually i'm very glad that overall positioning and composition looks good to you, people. Suarly I'm a master of work but if there were many suggestions of changing and redoing I'd have to think seriuosly... Uffff, so now can continue!
Gunilla - your comments gave me a strong "push" to move on to composion! Thanks a lot for input you make!
3dRaven - thanks for passing by! Yes, I want to make dirt comming out horse's legs (still thinking wheather make particles or post-fx). I gues you're right about those additional details. Hmm, don't know about sword, but some stuff gotta put definetely!
authentic - yes, still got work to do but now it seems faster! Thanks for incouraging!
Madlight_1988 - thank you man! Yes, this compositon is final but witth extra additions suarly! Come back soon!
05 May 2005, 09:27 PM
yeah, this i like! really great layout! everything fits in so nicely. and i like the colour scheme! great work.
05 May 2005, 05:05 PM
Great job Volodymyr, I love the dynamic feel of the scene! The poses look excellent, sweet work, keep those updates coming! :applause:
05 May 2005, 11:28 PM
Real nice pespective.....and nice drama and action to the scene Vol........I wish you the best with your next steps,and will look in to see more.........Work hard and well.....:arteest:
05 May 2005, 10:07 AM
Life becomes more optimistic after receiving such precious attention!
haha im glad... well when u create work like this can u expect any less attention ??:thumbsup: its great work:)
i cannot wait for the lighting... i think that this will really help you soooo much, there is so much potential for excelent lighting here... so egar to see what u come up with.
in reply to the hair comment on the previous page...
i can never get hair to look GREAT!! is always very average. so im trying to find out all the different ways ppl can create GREAT hair... and hope that i can learn and start to make GREAT hair:)
so i want to get ur opinion.. for example this (http://www.cgtalk.com/showpost.php?p=2193330&postcount=74) is a basic idea of how 'hhssuu' placed hair on his dog. and this is simple the best tutorial (http://188.8.131.52/ffa/tutorials/max/joanofarc/joanmenu.asp) i have seen anywhere (in this u can see in great detail how this person created hair u just have to go through a few pages to get there, i thought i would post the whole this coz it is just fantastic)
ok this is turning into a really long post so ill stop here but great work and good luck... i hop ei explained myself appropriatly
05 May 2005, 11:05 AM
I reapeat itīs so funny, and great colours
05 May 2005, 11:49 AM
I really, really like the way this image is coming together, fantastic style and bags of character, they all fit very well together and the colours are great. Wonderful. http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon7.gifhttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon13.gif
05 May 2005, 05:16 PM
Yes, now deadline is sooo close but I feel myself really good! And mostly thanks to all your post here! But also I guess to begin final renderings in two days, though when finish revealed in perspective I can be calm... But not to sleep.
I've recently finished modelling of missing accesoires and "ground part" of surroundings and in couple of hours will post some update - just need to finish texturing.
Mordalles - appreciate you're passing by my thread with so optimistic comments, mate!
mmbenya - really incouraging to see you like the dynamics in my scene - I wanted so much to avoid still look of models (as sometimes happens with 3d still images) that now I'm happy I succeed in that!
Virtuoso - thank you for warm wishes! Glad you're here again! Yes, hard work is always needed, the only thing is one's will :)
tilite - wow, really long post, but I just love long posts!! Happy you like the result comming out! Thank you sooo muuuch for that links! That tutorial on second link is wonderlful indeed! Unfortunately for now I only viewed it quickly coz my e-net at home can't survive during openng pictures but I will visit it very soon for deep study - will have some free and fast net! Anyway, I've already made all hairs and I'm afraid to have no time for redoing (as I'm sure the technique described in that tut is better than myne :)
But this will give exp for future work - life has just began!
Thanks for your support, friend!!
ilusiondigital - happy you're back! Great you find it funny - that means I've brought personalities in desired way!
handlebar - thanks man! Now real fun begins - maintain those colors in 3d objects http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
Hope to c u backhttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon2.gifhttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon2.gifhttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon2.gif
05 May 2005, 05:19 PM
deryk... great work mate.. rough composition looking good.. not long now but as always deryk your flying right through mate.. all tha best dude! :thumbsup: see you soon
05 May 2005, 07:35 PM
Ok, as promissed here is another update to your attention!
master and servant: added some equipment and hairs for horse (as it is frightened I wanted hairs appear "curly" and not "wavy beatiful" :) Tail is supposed to be burbned a bit - otherwise why horse is so afraid ? Also added particled comming out hores'e legs.
dragon - changed a bit his head's position according to your, guys, suggestions!
surroundings - general layout of "terrain" parts - still need to ajust colors, add some fog for mountains to make them appear far away, more dust around horse, some smoke from hores's tail and dragon's mouth :) And sky suarly is not done yet. And of course final tweaking (especialy materials' shading) after applying defined lightning model and changing render engine (now it is max default scanline without gi - just to show models and textures).
So, want to share my process with you!
What do you think, people???
05 May 2005, 07:57 PM
Nice work on the terrain Deryk. I'd add in some rock formations sort like the ones you can find in Arizona.
05 May 2005, 08:26 PM
hey nice goin man... i like the cartoon feel in ur work...keep it up mate
05 May 2005, 01:02 AM
Great1 I can really feel the action in the pse. The only thing getting me is the position on the horses leg. Wouldn't the front/right leg be extended? But that's just a nit pick. Good luck in the comp and nice entry!
05 May 2005, 10:20 PM
hey!that pose is much better and well... what can I say... I canīt wait to see the background!
05 May 2005, 06:34 PM
Been busy, huh? ;) Looks good. much better pose for the dragon, easier to make out its head. The horse's mane seems a little uniform in color almost as if it's missing shadows. Are you using global illumination for your scene? I've noticed a similar effect with some of my hair models when using GI or Max's "skylight". If you ended up using a hair plugin, you might want to try setting the root color to something darker. Regardless, it's coming along great. Keep it up! :thumbsup:
05 May 2005, 07:31 PM
Good job man! Environment could be much better. Keep it up!:thumbsup:
05 May 2005, 04:30 PM
Sorry sooo much for not beeing here for pretty long time!
You're right, safe05 - I was really busy, but busy with challenge - that's optimistic fact!
Actually now I work on lightning as all modelling and surroundings I've already made! Uff, only sky remains but I guess that's will not take lots of time. I'll make it with particles and in post it will be blured a bit.
Ok, for now I've devided scene onto three "planes" to render separately but using the same lightning model as my pc now begin to die with horse and master :) Well, soon I'll post lightned image with master and servant in foreground but still need to do some tweaking and after all - it takes 15-20 min for each test frame 500x500 so not much work but much time needed!
3dRaven - thanks for following my work! But I leave those mountastins as they are... Following your suggestion will really incrase feeling of desert land but in my image I want to create only "middle" between dry south terrain and some fairy-tale. Anyway, thanks a lot for support, friend! by the way - already downloaded that max file - examining it now!
Thanks for warm oppinion overcontrast!
dmonk - pleasant to hear you like it, mate! Actualy I'v moved a bit horse's leg - check it my future post ;)
bealobo - bg (sky) is comming soon! Sorry, little delays :)
safe05 - that image rendered with scanline without gi and hairs with some self-illumination - just to show models. Now I'm testing in mental ray and hairs appear different. And after all I've discovered great and FREE plug-in for max to create cool hairs! And it is really easy to use! Guess I'll make new hairs!
mmaxx - thanks for comming in! Environment will be a bit more ellaborated!
Once more sorry for delays in responding! All of you make me really happy!
05 May 2005, 02:22 AM
ok im at uni in class so i cant really look at this threads updates just now, but it looks like it is going well and i am very keen to see these renders.
ill try get back on soon to give u more feedback.
05 May 2005, 02:57 AM
very cool i like the cartoon feell of it.
05 May 2005, 02:16 PM
Well, this is lightning of the scene. Foreground with master and servant darker while mountains and dragon - brighter (to achieve contrast and to add some feeling of hot evening). Scene is outdoor so lightning model is not complicated - two directional lights (one for speculars and another to fill darker areas) and skylight to produce diffuse light. Hairs are not jet defined - as usual :) Sorry...
When I finish with hairs I'll launch rendering full-size foreground, dragon and mountains with sky. Dust and slight fog will be added later on.
Please, make me happy with some words :)
05 May 2005, 08:55 PM
Maybe have the dragon breathing fire?? You'll get a nice backlight showing your characters silhouette...just a thought
05 May 2005, 04:12 PM
Hey Deryk, looking good! IMO, the hairs look much better with this shading. Might also want to darken the nostrils of the horse, the fact that it's the same color as the skin is kind of throwing me. Are you planning on adding anything else to the background? The reason I ask is that the sky looks as if it could use a little something extra. (clouds, maybe another dragon way in the distance, etc.) I really like your choice of colors. For this piece. Keep going! Almost there! :bounce:
05 May 2005, 05:28 AM
Hey - you're almost done! Latest updates looks really good - just keep on moving, this will turn out really well :thumbsup:
05 May 2005, 11:14 AM
yeh this is nice... i would possibly add some more dirt and stones beling flicked up and ry to ge more of a shadow... soemthing the sun migh create??
05 May 2005, 12:01 PM
kool rendering and WIP
bst of luck
05 May 2005, 03:09 PM
i like it :thumbsup:
05 May 2005, 07:26 PM
Glad to see all of you on my thread!
Grateful to everyone (othervise can't be ;) !!
franksmithy, Gunilla, manikantkujur, eddieellis - great you add optimism, especially close to deadline - good for acceleration!
tilite - well, I want to reach the feeling of dusty/foggy environment with "smoked" sky so I prefer very soft diffuse lightning (like that on summer days just before rain) when shadows are almost invisible (just slight "dark zones" under objects). But maybe I'll add shdows casting to key light - need to do some test renders... Thanks a lot for attention, mate!!
3dRaven - dam, really great idea! But I don't have enough time now - everything is already defined except tiny details :( Anyway, I guess contrast is already present with sky/ground/characters. Learn all the time :)
safe05 - welcome again, friend! Suarly this bg is not a "sky' as it should be! Soon will post post-prod wip where I'll show all main layers with final sky as well. Actually I wouldn't add more characters - this scene can become too heavy.
Sorry, can't concentrate myself well to do work and post images here... Yes, I know, word and words - not much fun :) but I promisse - it moves on!
05 May 2005, 12:52 PM
Its all coming together wonderfully, its all looking fantastic, can't wait to see the final render. No crits just admaration for a very strong image. Good luck with the final touches. http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon7.gifhttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon13.gif
05 May 2005, 07:14 PM
handlebar, thanks mate! Actually I'm about to start my work for a whole night, so reading so kind words gives great push to further work! Thanks again!http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
05 May 2005, 07:27 PM
Hey Deryk if you're gonna pull an all-nighter than maybe try the fire idea?? Hope you have a hefty amount of coffee ready :)
05 May 2005, 08:09 PM
awesome work on the movement of your scene this is gonna be very nice when you're done
05 May 2005, 03:36 AM
Hi Derik:) Your work's great my friend... I like the movement in your scene... Your characters have cartoon soul... it's really nice!!!:thumbsup: good luck in the finish of this work, mate:)
I'll return to see your next step... see you :beer:
05 May 2005, 05:49 PM
Ufff, ok, finaly I begin working on post processing!!
I\'ve rendered scene in splitted layers (as was planned :) and than worked on them separately in photoshop to sdjust colors etc.
For foreground (Mas & Serv, ground with stones) I decided to add reddish tint to create a feeling of heat which is going to arrive ;)
Still some tweaking remain...
In couple of hours will post final image!!
05 May 2005, 06:35 PM
heey,Deryk,great work so far! i loved the mood,and nice touch-ups....liked them!
keep it up,! i want to see ur Final!:D:thumbsup:
05 May 2005, 07:27 PM
Ok, this is my most recent decision abot this work!
Tiff image will arrive tomorrow - will make final overview: color balance, tint...
What do you think, guys?
05 May 2005, 09:31 PM
What do you think, guys?
well.. beside the fact that this poor horse is getting its ears pierced from side to side by the master's spear... it's really great dude :) !! hehe... just kiddin, I love it, I really like cartoonish characters, great stuff man ! Congrats !
05 May 2005, 10:28 PM
I love the atmosphere, full of dynamism!
great go on the fire!
05 May 2005, 10:45 PM
Hi Deryk :) Hey my friend you did it!!! :bounce: Congratulations to your final image!!! Nice modelling and colors mate... and nice comp too...good luck to you :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
05 May 2005, 10:57 PM
You did a good job on this:thumbsup:, you really followed your concept through to completion. I like your character designs and the image has a nice feel to it. Good luck.
05 May 2005, 11:54 PM
From paper and pen to pixels and Image... I love ti deryk looks so much like the original concept.. you did a very good job my friend.. it was great to see the way you progressed and handled crits and comments well.. hope to see you soon in the next challenge and all the best in the voting process! see you soon mate..
05 May 2005, 05:50 AM
It's wonderful! You really did a great job on this - clearly moving forward right from the start.
Love the style and I'm sure the fanal will come out just great. Good luck! :thumbsup:
05 May 2005, 06:04 AM
Very cool stuff and very funny... congratulations Volo... very fresh piece :thumbsup:
Best wishes for the final... :beer:
05 May 2005, 10:55 AM
I can't begin to say how much i like this image, everything has come together wonderfully and all your hard work has payed off. It's been great to follow your thread. Congrats and the very best of luck to you.http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon7.gifhttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon13.gif
05 May 2005, 10:59 AM
Whoa glad you were able to fit in the fire. Guess you must have worked some heavy overtime on it (it's tough to get that stuff to look just right) You nailed it my friend. Great finishing touches on the atmosphere too.
The image really comes to life. Be proud Deryk you've done a magnificent job on this challenge. :thumbsup:
05 May 2005, 05:53 PM
Woooooow! Didn't expect sooo much kind comments here!! Thank you increadibly, people!
Your attention was just vital for me during my work! Your priceless advices and critics as well as proffessional suggestions helped really great!!
You gave lots of courage and trust in myself being among proffessional cg-artists!
I'm grateful to all contest participants and forum guests:
overcontrast , Reinier , bealobo, coCoKNIght, Neeno, feelinFroggy , kuzgunoglu, Gunilla, Wandddo, Virtuoso, DaddyMack, Abishai_ , mecman, Sylanya, arlutik, dominikmk, 007cat, smaddl, gra7, Ellon, jake rupert, Fred76, mmoir, Climax, Juha, hands0nfire, Brent_3D, blackdragoncg, Mordalles, Madlight_1988, el_newty, tilite , mmbenya, yeray, safe05, hyperSasquatch, handlebar, authentic, smallone3d, Maxter, Riddick1, Adriano_Zanetti, UK3D, Wave666, sioyong, ChrisThatGuy, monica.ta, David01, Lemog, 3dRaven, ilusiondigital , JR.BRAZ, dmonk, mmaxx, franksmithy, manikantkujur , eddieellis...
I hope I didn't miss anyone :)
If you notice some mistake - tell that instantly - will be corrected!
All support you gave was used indeed - useful reference images, links for tutorials, animations, sites, and even 3d files provided!
It was pleasure working with all of you and follow your work - I've got so much inspiration!
Hope to see you all in future!
New challenge http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
05 May 2005, 05:55 PM
oh man, this is simply wonderful, one vote from me too..all the best:bounce:
05 May 2005, 06:03 PM
Nice work man. Simple, punchy, stylistic, and there details too. Nice composition and colours too. Congratulations with finishing and the best of luck. Love the expression on the horse's face btw i think he's great :)
05 May 2005, 06:19 PM
jdsb, hhssuu - thanks for company on my thread!
Yuor comment appeared just on my eyes!
BTW, I guess that image is not still final! Will render tiny but important detail for horse's chest to increase feeling of volume and shape - and gonna insert as new layer to final image!
Uff, after I beleive it'll be done! This night - crutual!
05 May 2005, 09:27 PM
Excellent work all the way through man, you did a great job! Your final image looks awesome! Best of luck man! :D
05 May 2005, 10:18 PM
I really like your final image and congrats on finishing up strong!:applause:
05 May 2005, 10:56 PM
Ehhhh, and this is definetely FINAL! Now will go to sleep...
Thanks again for your attention, guys!
P.S.: mmbenya, dmonk - glad you find my result interesting! Grateful for passing by!
05 May 2005, 02:23 AM
Great finish, Deryk! Congratulations! I really like all the little changes you've made. (fire, colors, details on the ground, etc.) Really nice work! :thumbsup: :bounce:
05 May 2005, 05:24 AM
You can be proud... you finish really with a good picture... congratulations :bowdown: ahahaha, you know ? I can't stop to watch the horse with it particulary glance... really good and also really funny :thumbsup:
05 May 2005, 07:24 AM
This would make a pretty mean short if you had more time :D I can image all the stuff that could be happenning to your whack knight.
Great final Deryk.
Good luck :thumbsup::thumbsup:
05 May 2005, 01:25 PM
mmbenya, dmonk, safe05, Lemog, 3dRaven - you make me happy!!
It is really great challenge this time for me! I've learned huge amount of new stuff, got so much fresh experience and watched workflow of numerous good artist to have a possibility to learn more and more!
Idea of such an event is just genius!
CGnetworks/talk opened for me real world of digital creativity - before it were just magazines and some sites with galleries and tutorials but not INTERACTIVE - just to watch as a book! And here I could really participate and receive feedbacks during existing actual work process - like if I was at some kind of masterclass or a school!
Now I can relax a bit and have a pleasure to watch finished works during public voting...
It is unforgetable atmosphere here on cg-talk!http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon3.gif
05 May 2005, 04:02 PM
deryk just looking at your image again i noticed a very poweful connection between the Master and servant here.. a typical everyday Master servant relationship for example a dog and its owner when the owner is introuble the dog tries in everyway possible to save his owner.. and i just noticed the ever so slight look in the masters eyes basically telling the horse to save him.. a look of trust yet horrified at whats behind him.. and the horse looking back at his master sort of not wanting to loose his trust in him but scared he might fail.. its a powerful image you should be proud and very happy at what you've created.. i really like ti deryk and once again all the best my friend i hope the judges see what i see... its a fantastic and well thought of image with great original style!!
05 May 2005, 07:25 AM
Hey Neeno, wow - so unexpected philosophical flow!!
I guess I would not be able to explain it better than you did!
Ha, it's strange but I was planning a bit another story at the beginning, but during workflow different ways appear and beeing free to choose (an advantage of creating not for clients :) I really decided to make a feeling of runaway for both - fear for both (but with different aim for each one...). Master made a dangerous mistake estimating his strenght and servant, as you told, again comes to rescue... I hope this escape gonna have happy ending (ok, I don't regret about the master but I worry for horse :)
Thnak you for support even after "hot" race ends:buttrock:
05 May 2005, 07:46 AM
05 May 2005, 11:49 AM
the final result is excellent, the atmosphere and the dust and the details... as I just said before, it reminds me of a film. Congratulations!