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03 March 2005, 09:24 PM
Verniers Vincent has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (

Latest Update: Coloring WIP: refined architechture

I refined and painted the whole top architechture...

there is only statues and rose left...

I have still LOT of work but I \\\\\\\'ll work hard to finish in time he :/

03 March 2005, 08:40 PM
Hello everybody^^

I'm very happy to participate again to this big great challenge that is CGNETWORK challenge !

But I hope this time I'll achieve to finish this one ^^ * hehe

So I'll strat posting tonight or tomorriw... we have only two monthes :/ erg

03 March 2005, 08:42 PM
yeh not allota time eh??well actually its just enough, get started right away!!

03 March 2005, 08:45 PM
Yeah man thx for support ;)
I'll go check your thread :p

03 March 2005, 08:51 PM
welcome Vincent and good luck
salut l'ami bienvenue, j'attend ta première esquisse bonne chance:thumbsup:
03 March 2005, 09:47 PM
Waiting to see the concept that you'll came up with :thumbsup:

03 March 2005, 03:59 PM
Woohoo, hiya! Thanks for dropping by my thread. ^___^ Can't wait to see what your entry will be!! :D

03 March 2005, 01:22 AM
Yappa hello Neo!!!Hey,what's up?Come on man!!!We're waiting:D
Hé,q la force soit avec toi man!!!

03 March 2005, 11:18 AM
hi vincent :) thanks for your comments.

oh, now show us some of your said that you post something today or tomorrow so I'll be very disappointed if something doesn't show up soon ;) Well we have all the time in the world but sometimes it just isn't enough :) two monts to complete this's gonna get tight for me atleast.

03 March 2005, 11:25 AM
I'm in the same boat as you man...just hoping I finish the challenge!! Best of luck to ya.

03 March 2005, 11:33 AM
hoho encore des français ici^^
bon bein serait temps de faire qqchose hein gnihihi allez hop au boulot!

03 March 2005, 12:27 PM (

This is a funny idea I had...

I ask the question , can one of the opponements be an object...
If yes... this is my vision: the slave of the guitar. He is enchained every day and nights to his instruments... he loves it and hates it at the same time. It is an entire part of his life he can't separate from.

anyway I posted this very very quick bad skectch because a lot of people asked me something ^^

Done in 30 minutes on Painter 7

03 March 2005, 12:32 PM
yep,great idea Neo!!!This guitar could be some kinde organic kind of lifeform with his own soul,etc,etc.
With this kind of "Lucille" feeling about it.kind a like the Witchblades gauntlet or something.
And so the difference between the look of both could be more contrasted..this old grunchy guitar,(gibson look or something) and this modern or punky guy attached to it.
Anyway just some suggestions.
Keep m coming!!!

03 March 2005, 12:34 PM
OKMER>>> EXCELLENT suggestions^^
Impressed that you know "lucille" too ...
I'll explore this idea in a more evolved concept sketch nearly...

and i'll also try some other ideas for the moemnt ;) let's it comming :p

03 March 2005, 12:39 PM
lol, crazy idea, but i LOVE IT.:thumbsup: just feel the guitar gotta look more dominating to portray the sense of being the master. great work!

03 March 2005, 12:52 PM
Yes, a great idea very original; you will must be develop it, :thumbsup:

03 March 2005, 01:30 PM (

This is a graphic work based on the MASTER...

As you can see it , I am very inspired by Final fantasys and Role playing game style for the evil...
remember me the sight of KUJA from FF9...
I love this androgyn aspect for evil people... some class and power at the same time.

painter7 . 25min

03 March 2005, 02:12 PM
Jop,ben avec plaisir Neo!!!Mais j'ai des croix rouges partout pour le moment:sad: Je repasserai tout à l'heure!!!And again I repeat"great idea"!!!

03 March 2005, 02:16 PM
des croix rouges? oO
bizarre , ca semble pas venir de moi... pourtant^^

03 March 2005, 04:45 PM
Très sympa tes idées!
Vivement la suite!
Good luck man!
Frenchie rulz!

03 March 2005, 05:53 PM
That is a very nice sketch. I like the long ears. I will be keeping an eye on this one to see how it turns out.

03 March 2005, 06:28 PM
anyway I posted this very very quick bad skectch because a lot of people asked me something ^^

Done in 30 minutes on Painter 7

Yeah right. You know that isn't a bad sketch at all wiseguy :P

I like the idea about the guitarist being the slave of the guitar, although not very original anymore, but from this composition it's rather hard to see he's not just jamming. It doesn't show that the guitar is in control, maybe if the guitar is more in the foreground, and make the head a little radiant/more present as a being with a soul. And the face of the player a little scared/angry in the background. As if he's not leading the guitar, the guitar is leading him.
Good work by the way, just in case you though I was being offensive, I wasn't, or didn't ment to be anyhow.

03 March 2005, 06:40 AM
FreakyDude ===> Yes man , for the guitarist , I have to improve a lot of things ...

Like OKMER said it to me ... The contrast between old guitar blues like "lucille" and the young punky boy... And all the scene will be reviewed to be more impressive ad original...
I'll pot another more evolved concept sketch :)

Dmonk ===> thx man , this guy is a part of my another idea... A gothik scene .

Riddick ===> hehe thx you too. I can't wait for your work too^^
* vive les tits frenchies :p

03 March 2005, 06:47 AM
I like your first concept sketch, you should do something among those lines. Like "enslaved to the music". Would be sweet. I Love final fantasy and role playing games too, so I know how that can be ^_^; Haha, keep up the sweet work. Cant wait to see what you do here.

03 March 2005, 01:45 PM
Vincent V. heheh i bet u just love your name and initials:D great work so far, i personally like the new sketch more, it has some seymour- sephirotish about itself:thumbsup:

03 March 2005, 04:46 PM
interesting concept!

04 April 2005, 08:23 PM
yo ! 8)
I'm back from my week of school^^ now I have two days to draw for the contest! and then another week of school and I'll have two weeks of hollidays so all will goes ;)

CoreyArte ----> thx , But finnally I have another concept I'll show soon

Nebezial / NOOB -> thx.

04 April 2005, 11:41 PM
very cool sketch, like your style a lot. hope you have loadsa fun the next 2 days and come up with some nice updates. keep on rockin'!:thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 04:50 PM (

I've finally decided to go in a more heroic fantasy icon image.
I avoided a bit the originallity to get a lot in composition and emotion...

I've chosen something gothik for background and a portrait format with a ratio of 1,666 (it came out like this alone hehe^^ perhaps a sign? lol) as everyone knows it it is the gold numer in all art.

04 April 2005, 05:04 PM
Bonne chance :)
Interesting ideas so far... keep up!

04 April 2005, 05:42 PM
Great sketches and ideas so far... looking forward to seeing more updates. Cheers,

my 2D entry:

04 April 2005, 06:02 PM
StormageJunior ---->Merci mec :) bonne chance a toi aussi . THX

ArtJunkie ----> A thx man , BTW I love your pseudo... so fun^^
I think I am a junky of art too ;)

04 April 2005, 10:52 AM
ho my god !! less than 36 days before the end...

I must hurry and find the final idea now...
I'll post nearly ,promise.

04 April 2005, 10:54 AM
lol thats still a month,no need to rush,but yeh i wud get started on the final

04 April 2005, 10:58 AM
ha thx for support NOOB ! ^^

moreover I am in hollidays dfor two weeks so I can paint during hours now :p

04 April 2005, 04:10 PM
Good luck to you, looks interesting, but too early to realy give any coments. Have fun

04 April 2005, 09:11 AM
don worry ull make it, i have a suggestion... well i did use somethin like this in my comic book but since it aint finished yet, how about putting shackles on the angel with chains leading to the neck cgokers of his inderservants, in that way they become extension of his arms, doing all the punishing and stuff and also give the impression of warrior bodyguards, just an idea, love ur style, oh and thanx for the comparison, that put me back on track, i owe u 1:thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 09:16 AM
thx Nebezial ! It could be a great idea but I have turned a little my final idea to anything else , I'll nearly post the line art of my final idea and then I'll be very carefull to criticizes...

I want something near of the "icon" depict of the evil in final fantasy games... like sephiroth of KUJA styled evil and servants ... I'll inspire myself to penitants in españa... :)

04 April 2005, 09:20 AM
hehe Seymour was also nice except for that gayish voice, i thouhgt i heard whispers of Nomura san from ur work, now im even more intreagued, so shall we take on that omega weapon aka enayla:D

04 April 2005, 09:22 AM
hey neo,i'm sure we aren't the only youngens in this contest....i hope.

04 April 2005, 09:22 AM
nebezial , I love you.... :)

lol very funny comparisson...
yeah but sometimes the atma weapon is weaker than the heroes ;)
work together MAN! ;)

we'll get it :)

04 April 2005, 09:27 AM

04 April 2005, 09:52 AM
salu!! jpe enfin m'exprimer en français!! cooool.. ton croquis est vraiment pa mal..bravo!! bonne tu peux donner ton avis sur mon image ce serai sympa de ta part..a biento..(jla fai en anglais pour les autres..enfin jvai essayer)

Hello... you're sketch is great!! good start.. good luck and keep it up!! you can give your advice to my image if you will be cool....

My Master and Servant entries:

04 April 2005, 10:18 AM
Quote : I'm back from my week of school^^ now I have two days to draw for the contest!
Damn school !:twisted: Like Riddick said : Frenchie rulz
Good luck

04 April 2005, 03:46 PM
Wicked pencil skillz, my man... and your only a wee bwoy too

04 April 2005, 06:33 PM
saw ur fairy liked ur fairy, but ur m s work looks 10 times better and that says a lot, take a look in the 2d works tomorrow, there is a surprise on the way!:D

04 April 2005, 06:36 PM
you got some nice sketching skils buddy.. like the composition as well. this could be greatness!

04 April 2005, 08:06 PM
Looks like it will be an interesting composition. You could really play up the dramatic lighting for added atmosphere.

04 April 2005, 08:17 PM
thxies all guys !

spacenails , Luis J browne ====> many thx guys , I like this support , I have hard time with this contest and those comments help me a lot :) for motivation.
I'll don't desapoint you ;) be sure of this.

nebezial ====> thx man , I saw you've commented and voted for my fairy^^ tkies for this so.
but I didn't find the surprise , but if it is the stars ok i've seen :D)

W!L ====> "this could be greatness" I hope man... I hope , but I'll need your help all of you :)

Chris that Guy ====> don't woory i 'll work and play around a long time before setting colors to find the rights to get good atmosphere :) But I want something polychromatic ... i think i'll do very luminescent colors in the front and less and less in the back... to enhence this foreground effect. And in the back some vitrails will make contrast ;)
a lot of details will be there :)

but , my god so much work....

Promise tonight , the first shot of the final scene...
and tonight even or tommorrow, the lineart complete and detailled.

then COLOR WIP you'll be mine ahhaha ^^ (sorry ^^*)

04 April 2005, 08:19 PM
look whoz mr popular now eh? with all his comments.

and u know its thanks to the power of NOOB! buwhaha

04 April 2005, 08:30 PM

Who's the dady? :D
you play the gangsta man? :D

lol only joking :)
hehe I don't think I'm popular yet... only 800 views and 50 posts...
enayla have 800 posts and 70 000 views ^^ (much post as I have view LOL)

anyway... When I'll start coloring :))))....

04 April 2005, 08:37 PM
i don't think anyone can compare themselves to enalya.

shes famous.

we are

oh...and for your information....i'm the daddy!!

04 April 2005, 08:41 PM
LOL ok you're the dady^^

of course nobody can compares to enayla... but I don't like popularity...
I have nothing agaisnt her but she is so popular than people commented on her topic before she posted anything... the popularity sometimes mask the real talent....

she did a good composition .... but I think a lot of other guys here deserve a lot of recognition .


and MINORS RULZ man!!!

PS : now we must stop free posting hehe^^
see ya man , i'll post soon.

04 April 2005, 09:13 PM (

This is my final idea caming out...
this is still concept sketch but it is VERY important part of the work because the placement of each carachters and objects make the next important...

The line art is coming :)

PS: I didn't precise the size pic :
9000X 13500 pix on painter 7.
My old comp is running down he ^^*
anyway I think i'll make the top of the rose to give more big impression...

04 April 2005, 10:00 AM
lookin good there! MINORZ RULE!!! and EEK poor computer, u sadistic animal:thumbsup:

oh and here is the link to surprise,

04 April 2005, 12:32 PM
I totally agree about the popularity thing, some peeps at the start were on their 6-7 page with not a single post while others had updated 4 or more times without one comment. What a terrible world we live in. to many fan boys around.

I now it far fetched but... I hope one day to see a 3rd page on my thread. oOW!!
The lighting on this should be sweet>

Dude whats-up with the mammoth picture size > my poor baby would just keel over at just the thought of those dimensions.

04 April 2005, 12:52 PM
Good concept, nothing has to see with mine as you thought, it would be necessary that you begin the colorization so that I see your mastery to painter, and there I would ask you for of the tips

Si tu connais des liens traitant de painter en français, je suis preneur

04 April 2005, 01:31 PM

I have so much hard troubles with painter and my old comp...
in 9000X 14500 pix it is SLOWW.... even without painting and any layer ... and I need a layer for the line (even If after I delete it) and I nee dto paint and detiala lot , it will never work...

i must find a solution...

04 April 2005, 01:38 PM
captain i can not do it shes gonna blow!!! u sick megalomaniac, reduce the size, my comp went berserk when i tried to pull a stunt like that, and it can easily deal with a textured 350000 polygon charactr in 3d studio:eek:

04 April 2005, 01:44 PM
lol nebezial....

in painter it is very diff of photoshop , I explain :
the painter brushes have big algorythms that make them so strange and bleeding like real paint... BUT the problem is that a brush of painter works well when it is AT LEAST 5 or 6 pixels EXTREM minimum!! So to have a great level of detail on a big scene... you need huge number of pixels...

you know my compo From Hell : 5000X 7500 pix ... and there is only a man on a chair... :)
even Visual suicide was in 3000X 3000pix....

for this one i'll reduce of course I have no choice... but I 'll not go under 7500X 12000.
If I go under I might don't have enought pixels to detail :)

anyway i'll find a solution :D

PS: I've reduced a bit because it was impossible without...
now : 7500 X 12 000
thx for supporting ^^

04 April 2005, 07:52 PM (

This is just a little part showing how I started the lineart :)

04 April 2005, 08:00 PM
hey there... really interesting work you have but i cant really see exatly what's going on here until you start actually blocking in some shapes!

cant wait for updates!

04 April 2005, 08:06 PM
Yes another painter person. LOL neozoom we will convert NOOB! to using this program.
And Neo change you signature to
"The godfather of IMPRESSIVITY!"

04 April 2005, 08:12 PM
Great Idea!

anyway :

SLAV ====> Don't worry in the newt days I'll post the final lineart withh all shadows and atmosphere feeling :)

PS : don't start FReeposting on my thread... We did this too much on NOOB's one ... we must try to stay int he subject :)

04 April 2005, 08:14 PM
Naw i ain't gonna do that I go with the flow of threads. NOOB! deserves his spam lol.
I will keep a close eye on this one!

04 April 2005, 08:16 PM
Looking great so far! You sure are working HUGE though. o.o I mean, I use Painter myself, but at the same time I keep the size at around 2600x3600, on some occasions 3700x5400 - and the small brushes work just fine, too... Unless you're using the liquid inks and/or watercolors.

The composition looks very promising! Could you tell more about the idea behind it?

Edit: uhoh, perspective alert, the tip of the hilt seems to be viewed more from above than the other parts of hilt.

04 April 2005, 08:39 PM
Oooo :D I like the concept, the main character has the cutest ears! I think it is going to turn out well. Looks very promising. Best of luck!:thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 11:24 AM
I know it's too early to give critics, but i think your composition seems a little flat, i think you should take a mor dynamic camera angle.
BTW, i like your character, and your technical abilities are improving again each time i see your works !
Good luck to you Neo ! :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 12:08 PM
Thank you Man for your advice...I will do that now...
Je ne comprennais pa pourquoi javais un si faible taux de visite et de message..maintenan je navais pas compris qu'il fallait autant poster de vai m'y mettre..encore merci!!

You're sketch look very good..quick quick!! I want see evolving!!

04 April 2005, 01:52 PM
very ff-ish. i love the sword.:D

04 April 2005, 02:08 PM
i love myself..i mean i love ur latest update.

04 April 2005, 02:19 PM
LOL!! idiot^^

If you really love it thx ... but I hope I'll nearly can post somethin correct :)
thx passing by NOOB and Calisto :)

world domination!

"very ff'ish" Calisto ====> yes a lot in my inspirations... nomura forever...

04 April 2005, 04:22 PM
Just so you know, if you want to dominate the world, you'll have to get past my coconut! :D (It got there first, ya know!)

04 April 2005, 05:22 PM
Love your final composition, has a nice 'iconic' feel to it - kinda reminds me of medieval iconography (love that stuff). Great line work on your main character too... great design.

Can't wait to see you post some painting WIPs! I'll check back for your updates.

bonne chance, mon ami
(sorry for my french... I'm not as bilingual as I should be :D )


04 April 2005, 05:25 PM
damn, ill summon the great monkey to dethrone the coconut, now neozoom, attack the coconut, while calisto casts magics!!!

04 April 2005, 06:11 PM
AHAHAHAHAH!!! yes man!! thank you..i'll keep going on this way:bounce:


04 April 2005, 06:34 PM
damn, ill summon the great monkey to dethrone the coconut, now neozoom, attack the coconut, while calisto casts magics!!!

You forgot about the slave army around the coconut, didn't you? :p But that's okay, I think that if you bow down before it, the coconut will forgive you and share an island or something like that.

04 April 2005, 06:44 PM
oo My god!! I don't want this thread to turn like the NOOB's one :)

stop freepost please^^ I don't deserve spamming as NOOB :D

04 April 2005, 06:47 PM
oo My god!! I don't want this thread to turn like the NOOB's one :)

whats wrong with my thread,stop dissin my thread.

04 April 2005, 07:03 PM
YEAH, and, maybe well do come diplomacy and give some to the coconut, and then we go for universal domination mwahahahaha:twisted:

04 April 2005, 10:00 PM (

ha!! some values and shadings on the starting lineart!

to give you more the "iconic" impression I want to show...


04 April 2005, 10:46 AM
looking great bro,gunna be very dramatic!

04 April 2005, 01:21 PM
it looks great! GO neozoom. kick ass!:buttrock:

04 April 2005, 02:11 PM
:thumbsup: this is very very best
i like your style
good luck

04 April 2005, 02:50 PM
alright neo...
this is looking great, but the torso line should be adjusted under the forearms...

04 April 2005, 04:18 PM
NOOB ====> thx man , yeah I really want this aspect , dramatic , iconic view of the master and servant , very ff'ish styled evil like kuja or else...

Calisto ====> hahah thx kind girl ^^
nearly some more lines. But I had a troubel so retarded.

xric7 ====> thx

cha0t1c1 ===> the anatomy probs will be reviewed nearly , when the line's finished , I'll post the whole story concept and idee behind and We'll talk more about soome eventual probs to correct thx passing by man .

04 April 2005, 04:22 PM
u are new tetsuyo some more!!:)

04 April 2005, 05:13 PM
aaahhh... not bad... not bad... could be better... will be better will be f#$%/n awesome:thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 05:20 PM
It is not badly all that!:bounce: good good good! I wait to still see the background.Thanks for your advices I have already a little more visits and Messages..Let's work!!:)

04 April 2005, 06:34 PM
I really like the style you've got going here. Very nice. I must admit that this looks like something that would fit right in with WhiteWolf's Changeling game. And that sword design kicks serious ass.

04 April 2005, 06:38 PM
haha MANY thanks FuturTense^^

your comment mad eme laught :)

a lot of people like this sword^^ I always draw swords and weapons ... I must have got some style and skills at drawing this^^

thx again. and others for suport.

Robert Longfield
04 April 2005, 06:51 PM
I cant wait to see the coloring process.

04 April 2005, 06:51 PM
Hello, good blow of pencil and design sympas, I await the continuation, good luck.

04 April 2005, 07:01 PM
good work dude! :)

04 April 2005, 05:38 AM
Great line art. Definitely keeping my eye on this one.

04 April 2005, 10:21 AM
kies guys ! that's so sweet!

I'll nearly post the finished line art with all the context around the story and such...
and NEARLY colors!!! promise!

04 April 2005, 10:22 AM
GET BUSYYY cast haste, hero drink, come onnn man:thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 04:22 PM (

some view of the penitents...

I wanted them looking like quite olg guys but graceful guys... around 40 y old with beard.

04 April 2005, 05:07 PM
really good sketches. i think the penitent is too young for a man who have 40 years hold. you should improve it with some slightly wrinkles, near eyes or somewhere else.

really good work anyway.

04 April 2005, 05:08 PM
cool an update, lookin good...ME WANTS COLOURS!!!:D

04 April 2005, 05:10 PM
NEARLY colors^^ haha

DAvid ====> great crits ! anyway I'll amke all this in the close up coloring process very later , then I'll set on emotions and texturing so some wrinkles here and here...

tkies for paying attention to my work guys

04 April 2005, 12:32 AM
Nice color scheme Zoom!

Before this grey concept the other one had some nics pale but fresh colors, you lineart is really tight, keep it that way!



04 April 2005, 01:54 PM
Looking good, i like your sketches. Nothing to crit so far.

04 April 2005, 02:01 PM
Hi, just a little reply to tell you that I'm really following your work here, I defenitly like your style !
Keep going !!
Bonne chance !!

04 April 2005, 02:52 PM
Nice job so far. It looks like yours is coming together nicely. Mine is falling apart lol.

04 April 2005, 03:00 PM
As an old man, more close to 40 years than you, I hope to be as cute as your character. He He:)
Crit : i think is face is a little too smooth... about the beard, unless he's been frightened a lot
it looks too white, Young Padawan. Lol

Keep it up :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 03:39 PM
Dude, 40 y old is young!

Art is long, Life is short. Paint. Paint. Paint.

04 April 2005, 08:55 PM
QUOTE by neozoom(I wanted them looking like quite olg guys but graceful guys... around 40 y old with beard.)

-well buddy you did a great job!:thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 08:56 PM
i wudn't say 40 was old. thats middle-aged.

but looking great.

04 April 2005, 03:55 PM
ahah Tkies all guys and girls^^

calisto -aww you're always so sweet :D

I'll change some things and add more detials on all those faces when i'll start painting.
in some hours I'll post final lineart complete and then some propositions of colors .. I'll need you guys ! :p

04 April 2005, 05:24 PM (

FINALLY done!! ^^ hehe *

this is the so long waited lineart of my idea I've decided to paint.

I'll make a comment later to explain the background and story...

Now you can see better how is the atmosphere of this piece.
Hope you'll like it.

04 April 2005, 05:29 PM
uhm...whats with the KKK members?

04 April 2005, 05:33 PM
no guy!!! don't go the wrong way!

the long cap for the KKK members is WHITE , in españa , PENITENTS (people who wants be punished for their bad actions ) walk in the streets with this clothes BUT in black our dark red colors...

IN MY FINAL comp : the clothes of the penitents in my picture will be dark red (blood color) or brown...
don't worry :) ahah
And I hope no other people will make this bad reflection... :/
I have NOTHING to do with KKK ok??!!!

04 April 2005, 05:39 PM
hhhhhhhhhmmm....i guess i'll wait and see then..:thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 08:35 PM
even will I remove those penitents or convert them to another kind of spiritists... because It'll make to much conflict :/

04 April 2005, 06:09 AM
hey, finally the full version :D...
I think the perspective feels weird, I mean the elf is gigantic, yet the sword is tiny, and his hands look disproportioal...but I don't really think it's such a big problem, from your talent the final version will far more polished. I hope that you don't take my critique strongly, because I'm just thinking from my POV. However, your details look great and well thaughtout...I didn't just drop by, I just had my finals(university exams) done, so now I can keep checking the contest threads more often...waiting for the next update...

04 April 2005, 08:28 AM
OH YEAH!!!:buttrock:

04 April 2005, 09:51 AM
hey, finally the full version :D...
I think the perspective feels weird, I mean the elf is gigantic, yet the sword is tiny, and his hands look disproportioal...

Hmm, I find it good, no prob to me :/
Really impressive, can't wait for the next one.

PS: I followed your advice, thank you :)

04 April 2005, 10:22 AM
Excellent work. Keep up!

04 April 2005, 10:22 AM
lookin great, hands too small, i ll msn tonight, my cable for the ijnternet got damaged last night and i had to reinstall windows... not my best day

04 April 2005, 10:27 AM
looks good :thumbsup: hope the painting can give it more depth cos the viewing gallery looks small and close to the throne right now. im sure itll work out

04 April 2005, 12:00 PM
G In THE M ====> Thx man , yeah the painting ass some atmospheric effect to give depth to the comp...

Nebezial ====> ha bad day yeah... Iwas wondering where you were^^ nice to see you back :)
for the hands I'll work a little more on some proportions on the painting , I'll ask your advices so :p

Stormage junior ====> Many thx guy

Freiyer ====> tkies , yeah the master IS giant! the painting add all the necessary effects to make this understanding.

Folkia ^^====> thx man haha. hope the final will make you more and more enthousiastic

04 April 2005, 03:47 AM

he looks a bit like you, doesn't he? :)
i like it - t'will be interesting to see it finished :D


04 April 2005, 04:50 AM
Nice job with the line art. You might want to tweak the BG alittle during colouring create that sense of wide open space behind the character. Maybe use a more brighter and less saturated colour palette for the BG and darker, more vibrant colours for the foreground. That's all I have say for now. Good luck dude!

04 April 2005, 09:45 AM
Naomi ====> ahhaha^^ thx , I would like looking like him^^

Wraidth ====> thx man . yeah in painting process, atmospheric effects (less saturated colors) will be added...

04 April 2005, 12:54 PM
:drool: :drool: :drool: this looks soo impressive, neo!! i cant wait to see it coloured...but even now it looks great!!! :love::applause: :applause:

04 April 2005, 03:31 PM
your work is realy great.
the man in the center is look like a very handsome hero.but compare to u,he can be only ugly one.ha..ha
good luck,mate
still wait for you coloring. (

04 April 2005, 05:42 PM
CALISTO ==== > "your new avatar photo is beautiful" thx for your support again...

Xric7 ====> hahah man ^^ this comment seems strange^^
anyway it is an hounour , thx

04 April 2005, 05:46 PM
yeah i agree, he is much more handsome then u :D u r just plain uglyLOL

04 April 2005, 04:37 PM
Gorgeous display.

04 April 2005, 05:01 PM
Gosh NEO ! (not the one from the matrix) that background is jaw dropping! I didnt know u could do backgrounds like that! man ! D you plan on coloring over the line art? or are you going to stay under? Either way this is amazing! You should widen the picture horizontaly so I can experience even more fo the background! And the have the main character looking upward or looking down! Man this is outstanding ! 3 thumbs up :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 05:12 PM
The composition is good, you should can be to see again the angel, it seems to me that there is a problem of proportion between the trunk and the legs, the good work

04 April 2005, 05:15 PM
CoreyArt ====> MANY thx buddy , don't know what to say... :'(
lol! No man , I took a lot of time doing this lineart but I'll after all paint ON it... like a real digit paint... thx for your point of view...

Widtomake it wider could have good effect for background yeah... BUT it 'll be already very hard to finish it all painted with good details... so for the moment it is wayy enought^^
anyway for the master looking up or down... I'll explose some of those aspects in painting process man :)

thx a lot passing by.

SnowKiwi ====> tkies

04 April 2005, 05:16 PM
Yeh, this is looking really good... first time i've seen this. Look forward to seeing the colouring come on.

04 April 2005, 05:31 PM (

there is some detaisl of the lineart . ^^
hope you'll apreciate until i'll start posting colors.

04 April 2005, 05:32 PM
man.. i can't belive you are being slower than me. can not wait to see the way you paint... like the composition.

04 April 2005, 07:21 PM
Okay, just read through most of your pages. I definately like the idea and composition. The character is definately looking cool. I like the detailing on it. Very cool line art.

About the background, it does seems off. He does looks big compare to the rest of the people at the top floor. Anyway, i'll check back again and see how you colour this.
Keep it up. It's looking good.

Thanks for dropping by my thread. Greatly appreciate the comments. :buttrock:

04 April 2005, 09:39 AM
WE'VE GOT COLOURS!! yaaaay! this will be great!:love:

04 April 2005, 09:42 AM
oh, wait its still monochrome... an update please?:D

04 April 2005, 12:07 PM
excellent bro,lets see mooore.

*goes back to work on his*

04 April 2005, 02:23 PM
update coloring please.
by the way
thanx for your how-to create signature(i found it in somewhere posted by u)

04 April 2005, 08:09 AM
oy, neo u lazy bum put some effort into it, WORK!!

04 April 2005, 02:35 PM
come on man, lets see the colours! lol:thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 08:01 AM
I'll come back from school tomorrow guys ;)
sorry i'll update soon promise ;)

the colours will be here in this week end :)

colour scheme and even start of painting work ^^

04 April 2005, 04:47 PM
looking great dude, maybe hurry up a li'l bit?:D more! more!

04 April 2005, 01:56 AM
Hi Neozoom, great lineart you have got there! By the way, is the master in front of or further back of the servants? He looks like he is in front and his wings are at the back. Hope you finish this in time. All the best, mate!

04 April 2005, 10:43 AM
Très bon travail, mec! :thumbsup:
Great work so far! Keep up!
PS:Mais à part ça, je pense que je vais laisser tomber le challenge... je me suis rendu compte que j'avais vraiment, mais vraiment, pas le temps. Je suis parti trop longtemps pendant les vacances... j'avais trop de trucs à faire... c'est dommage, tant pis. Je vais continuer à commenter dans le coin, cependant.
Good luck!

04 April 2005, 03:52 PM
..all I can do now is dreaming of ur update colors.
:wise: beautiful,mate

05 May 2005, 04:17 AM
I really like this design. I don't really have much to say at all. My only suggestion is a bit on silly side. You have two priests on each side with thier hoods up and one on each side with their hoods down in the same pattern. Was that intentional? Anyway, I just thought it might be more visually interesting of the two sides where a little bit different, but it's fine the way it is, too. Can't wait to see color

05 May 2005, 08:24 AM
Savege creature ====> yeah man , your comment is interesting , anyway , this is a kind of procession ... The penitents have a "guideline" of atitude to have in this kind of ceremonial...
that's all...

but even in painting process thoses things will be reviewed ;)

ALL OTHER ====> MANY sorry for the late , but I'll nearly post first colors heee... :/

05 May 2005, 01:45 PM (

now finally get colors!! haha

I REALLY NEED your comments and ADVICES for the color tones...
I made What I feel the best but the contrasts and tones still needs some improvements ... :)

05 May 2005, 02:09 PM
i think the color choice is perfect,no crits so far!

05 May 2005, 02:17 PM

BUT I NEED crits my friend! :'(
even if it is very very little things like a less saturated color there or there... you know.

anyway thx buddy ! ;)

05 May 2005, 03:39 PM
Those monks looked like those Western racists of old who wore similar hoods but all in white. So who are they prejudiced against in this one? :P

As for the crits, I think the depth of field is lacking here. Those people on the balconies looked like toy figurines on balcony-like shelves. The throne looks like it is attached to the wall thus making the wall seem much closer. The colours are conflicting with one another. Too much red doesn't work in a marble-like environment. Maybe make the place inside an earthen grotto, or a rusty stone dungeon instead if you really want to keep the redness of overall piece? Try applying extreme light and shadows (in other layers with screen and multiply filters) first to get an idea of suitable lighting and focus of attention before continuing to paint. Makes the job easier without so much guesswork.

Keep it up!

05 May 2005, 03:48 PM
If you allow me to make a little critique, I think you should not have choosen red for the monks, I think it's a bit to agressive (for the moment, because i don't know what U have in mind) and... Hmmm I don't know I'm not fan of this colour, I kind a focus on it and it covers the rest of the scene but that's only the opinion of a noob.
No crits for the rest that's look great, really waiting for the next one.

05 May 2005, 05:12 PM
what if you try off blue toward gray, It'll keep the colour flow and calm your piece for the thrown, try gold and red, It'll add to the depth... justa thaught...

05 May 2005, 11:24 AM
Jeromoo ====> Man , you really worries me!! my gosh I ever said What is the meaning of this monks looking like KKK members... take time to read informations in the thread ... THX

anyway many tkies for the comment...

Freiyer ====> ok man , yeah I totally agree... The red monks are a bit too flashy^^
I'll down the saturation and some lighting after coloring .. even change the color of them ...
anyway it is important to have some color scheme of red here^^

chat0t1c1====> most of this some blues tones will be added there and there even on the throne to equilibrate all the composition^^

thx for passing by men, good luck to you all ;)

05 May 2005, 11:30 AM
nice man like ur style looks like they are all in the middle of a ceremony
get it finished before the end man hehe this will look really sweet colored up

05 May 2005, 11:47 AM
OK OK OK.. Maybe you may put brown colors instead of red on your Prostrated caracters costums..and maybe add more gold elements on the main caracter..and put some beige colors(like ancient monuments) instead the grey and the green..Now It would have to be seen whether you intend to add more contrasts..And i think that you will perhaps obscure your image...

Good continuation..i'll come back soon see your evolution...keep it up:thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 12:23 PM
Hi Neozoom.
Just one more opinion about the coloring... ;)
If you want to keep the reddish colors for the monk's costumes than the turquoise-like coloring of the background seems to be not the strongest possible contrast. Maybe a small shift to a colder blue would do the trick?
I'd also agree with some of the other folks: the red clothes seem to be somehow bothering. I think this happens because the very dominating red draws away attention from the central character. Maybe a darker and less saturated color around the edges would lead the eye more directly into the center?

Just some ideas, great work anyway...
:) <- Lutz

05 May 2005, 02:59 PM
great great:beer:
finally i see ur colors!
no crits.let ur heart lead it.
only one thing i want to tell u is i like red.:banghead:
i'll keep my eyes 4 ur next post.

05 May 2005, 03:12 PM
wont thse candles burn his wings!

i actually like the red, but perhaps a bit more toward orange would be good. it is very symetrical which i can not decide if i like or not, but it works for the piece.

keep it coming

05 May 2005, 03:16 PM
Wow what a scene

good luck

05 May 2005, 04:12 PM
good composition you will can enjoy on the lighting effect, j'spère que tu travailleras la rosace en style vitraux, ce serait remarquable

05 May 2005, 03:48 PM
yaay! i like the colours.. lookin good so far! lets see more!:)

05 May 2005, 06:59 PM
HAhahaa LOL calisto , your avatar^^

You're all guys so sweet... tkies to everyones!! ;) :)

JackubFromOz ====> thx a lot man , don't worry I'll have some times to finish all this... hope it'll be done . Anyway I'll do my best to satisfy everyone keeping in mind my guidelines of the idea.

The OTHERS ====> don't worry I'll work on the contrast more and i'll of course put dark a bit the picrture.... anyway I'll KEEP the red clothes for the monk , but It'll turn a bit more browm/ orange and less saturated a bit. ^^

hope all this changes will satisfie you totally.

05 May 2005, 08:40 PM
hi neoz.:D
a little crit 4u
mind the lighting! ...about it's directions,brightness and colors.
good luck.:wise:

05 May 2005, 09:26 PM
its looking good Neozoom, i think you best just have a go with your colours - the main colour you have is white! :D

05 May 2005, 08:28 AM
oy , neo.. two weekends to do ur thing, open up that can of whoop ass!:thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 08:32 AM
Nebezial ====> yeah I will!! Don't worry ^^

GosthInTheMachine ====> MANY THX for your picture it helps me A LOT!! (kiss lol)
anyway I'll mix both to make somethin good and impressive .. but the idea to put more dark int he pic and add some diff lights si greatz ;)

ANYWAY : If anyone else want propose me some different colors by working on the pic I posted like GITM... it is totally OK . But of course I know well you must before work for you guys hehe^^

05 May 2005, 08:41 AM
this keeps gettin better! the colours are bright. looks great! wanna see more. cant wait to see it finished!:bounce:

05 May 2005, 08:44 AM
(kiss lol)

dude wtf??


05 May 2005, 08:52 AM
Originally Posted by Neozoom

(kiss lol)

eek ...follows NOOB!

05 May 2005, 08:55 AM
Originally Posted by Neozoom

(kiss lol)

yum! 3 cute boys chasing each other!*sticks around* *follows*

05 May 2005, 01:40 PM (

I added as everybody and myself were asking... more dark and a best contrast between colors... added some colors here and here and took notes of the help of GhosthInTheMchine...

hope you'll like this one most.
personnally I think this new one is really Better :)

If you have any othder suggestion before I start real detialled painting ... :)
it is the MOMENT ! ^^

thx to everyone for supporting all the time

05 May 2005, 01:54 PM
nope crits...looks great...GET TO PAINTING!!

05 May 2005, 05:36 PM
good luck.

05 May 2005, 06:27 PM
looks good keep up! lol:)

05 May 2005, 09:02 PM
yes that looks good, tho id try making it more saturated - overlay that layer or something - just to <50%> tho (dunno if ur using photoshop, too lazy to check).

ps. (kiss?) :argh: - hope that's just a cultural thing! :D

gl dude. :thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 05:40 AM
I know some neozoom from Gfx, I guess it's you:) Well your composition looking cool and your colors are working great. Good luck!

05 May 2005, 07:56 AM
Cool concept I like the style it is quite refreshing to see something different, keep up the good work.

05 May 2005, 09:32 AM
Kerem ====> yeah that's me^^ I know you two^^ haha

05 May 2005, 09:46 AM
no suggestion on the compo is good like it, i wait no the detailled painting ( i see your compo on finished 2d post and i think this pic will be great. One crit but i say an other time, for me there are a probleme of proportion in the legs of the angel but it's perhaps an impression, because there are no shadows for the moments. Welle, paniting mate, painting

05 May 2005, 12:24 PM (

now I started the final colors by painting overlay :)

hope it'll look good at final^^ hehe !
but the general problem I have is when the picture is reduced at seable size ... (1000X 1800 for example) the detials look a bit blurry :/

I'll must contrast more lines

05 May 2005, 12:43 PM
that looks excellent bro!

05 May 2005, 01:14 PM
Cant wait to see more! What program are you working in is it painter?
Any ways GREAT WORK bud :thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 01:34 PM
I'm happy to see your painting detail, good work on the face of the angel

One question C'est quoi votre équipe de domination du mondz?, ... pour savoir, comme ça

05 May 2005, 01:45 PM
C'est bien de former un groupe par l'intermediaire du challenge, bonne idée, je vous souhaite à tous vos membre une bonne réussite pour le futur site

ps : je ne pensais pas du tout a un quelconque avantage pour le concours, juste de la curiosité:thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 01:46 PM
looking excellent buddy. nice style

05 May 2005, 01:48 PM
soooo... i guess u r usin photoshop eh:D lol, lookin great neo, unleash the can of whoop ass this weekwnd , good luck

05 May 2005, 01:50 PM
am i the only one that can see painter 7 in the top left.

05 May 2005, 01:52 PM
i am gussing neb was joking.. if not he is stupid!

05 May 2005, 02:02 PM
Cant wait to see more! What program are you working in is it painter?
Any ways GREAT WORK bud :thumbsup:

was this guy joking W!L ,WAS HE!?!?!!

we live in a world on idiots

hahaha kiddin.

05 May 2005, 02:10 PM
Another world domination member using painter 7. nice.

05 May 2005, 02:10 PM
nooo this IS photoshop! haha
anyway great details neo! keep up!!:)

05 May 2005, 02:12 PM
come to think of it it does look a lil like corel photo paint:D

05 May 2005, 02:13 PM
Another world domination member using painter 7. nice.

hey,ur only half in pushav,u have to colour and prove to us ur worthy!!!

05 May 2005, 02:26 PM
Stoppp About FREE posts men!

I use PAINTER 7. Final Point. ok?


anyway nebz was joking ... the other guy just didn't had the idea to clik on the pic to see it full sized and read "painter7" that's all :)

05 May 2005, 04:04 PM
Now you can jump for joy Neozoom. I added some "real colors" to my work.

05 May 2005, 04:36 PM
Good evolution!! ^^. Maybe it's too blury because you work on too near ( 100% or 200% ??). I had the same problem for my picture...and i decided to work on's much better for put colors, nuances, lights and shadows...

come back soon see your evolution.Keep it up:)

05 May 2005, 06:08 PM
great painting,mate.:bounce:
keep it up and don't forget a mole on this neck.:D haha..
good luck.

05 May 2005, 10:37 PM
haha thx all!

don't worry Xric ^^
I'll try post some evolving tonight :)

05 May 2005, 11:08 PM
I have an idea for you. How about a huge eye floating inbetween thoose angel. Kind of like The eye in the lord of the rings.

05 May 2005, 11:29 PM (

I added more contrast and some details ..

the nose have been finishes and polished.
hope you'll like.

05 May 2005, 11:37 PM
its looking good dude, ur style is quite distinctive :thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 06:15 AM
hi zoom.:D
nice contrast.:thumbsup:
maybe i will finish my piece after u.
good luck.

05 May 2005, 03:57 PM
Thx a lot ^^ you two are great supporters haha !!

thx again for being always here :p

Hope I'll nearly can post A "real" update...

05 May 2005, 04:40 PM
This has really started to come out. Man I love your lighting and your style of blending is simply beautiful, c'mon man give us more!!

Check out mine and let me know what you think :

All feedback very appreciated!!

05 May 2005, 08:18 PM
Great coloring process man! Love ur style :)

05 May 2005, 08:56 PM
look whoz mr popular now eh? with all his comments.

and u know its thanks to the power of NOOB! buwhaha


I think that eye that I was talking about will make this piece soar even higher.

05 May 2005, 09:28 PM
Looking great so far! :thumbsup: You sure are taking your time with this. Seems like there's a lot of color in his face, I wonder how the overall picture will look. ^^

Edit: hold on. There are two candles, but his face only seems to be getting light from one? Correct me if I'm wrong, please!

05 May 2005, 10:48 PM
That is looking good dude. I really like how you are rendering your style. It has a realistic feeling to it, but stylize. Keep it up dude. Can't wait to see the finish piece.


Oh yeah, what's up with the world domination thingy? :D

05 May 2005, 02:21 PM (

I refined and painted the whole top architechture...

there is only statues and rose left...

I have still LOT of work but I \\\\\\\'ll work hard to finish in time he :/

because of bad quality I posta bigger version :

05 May 2005, 04:10 PM
whoa,looking excellent bro!!

05 May 2005, 04:49 PM
dude, your avatar & the main cahracter have similarities, is that intentional? overall, looks great!!

05 May 2005, 04:53 PM
tres bien monsieur, c'est fantastique! :bounce:

05 May 2005, 04:53 PM
Very cool! Hmm I just started wondering, is the angel very tall or are the guys next to the throne very short or is the angel much closer to us than the throne? Or, um, something.

arkinet, I think it's like they say, that artists often paint characters that bear certain similarities to them. Seen that happening a lot and to many people. ^^

05 May 2005, 06:53 PM
Love The World Domination And Neozoom Wording On The Architecture!!!

05 May 2005, 07:57 PM
i say you should push back the top most croud i think it takes away from the scale a bit... but its my opinion.

i really like the way you have started to color this... keep going!

05 May 2005, 02:59 AM
hi Neoz.
overall is look great.:bounce: nice nice color.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: i love ur red.
one question why the red someyhings(donno what to say in Eng.)hanging are not same?one is waving but another one don't.

05 May 2005, 08:04 AM
Arkinet ====> tkies bro , Not it isn't intentionnal in reality , but I often take myself as references so... And the overall form of the face is a lot taken on mine because it is triangular , I like this face form. ^^ that's all!

Liiga ====> not at all , the angel is just near the throne , and between penitents and the angel , and the throne and the background there is a space... T angel master is suposed to be huge like 10 metres tall or somethin...

W!L ===> Nice to see you saw this "important" detail to me ;)

Xric ===> I didn't understand well , but thx anyway , hope you'll love the final one...

others ====> tkies all guys for supporting , you're soo sweet^^
anyway i have stilla lot (like 35 or perhaps 40 hours of intensive work) o,n it... I hope i'll finish in time ^^ I have still a Week end . i'll just don't sleep even on night

05 May 2005, 11:38 AM
i'm Eng so weak as usual. :blush:
BTW. i'll wait for ur "real" update.
thank for your message.
take care.:)

05 May 2005, 12:06 PM
I think that what xric7 was meaning to ask is why one of the red curtains in the background is hanging straight down, but the other is waving/has a fold in it. I was wondering that, too.

05 May 2005, 04:43 PM
u made some nice architecture. cant wait to see more!:)

05 May 2005, 04:56 PM
Hey there Neozoom... a lovely style you have here... somewhere between elegant anime/manga art an realism. I love the character design, and in particular the way you've rendered the wings, they're so full of energy and light. The cherub statues are quite expertly coloured too, the initial impression is definitely of stone. In fact, the whole scene is just very well designed and coloured this far... good stuff!

05 May 2005, 04:15 PM
haha thx Zephiry! :D

to others too...
I 'm quite heal , i'll came back post before the end nearly :)

05 May 2005, 07:17 AM
Thanks man for your post!:) They is really cool this forum... Especially when I doubt on what I do... There is always somebody for saying what goes or not....Concerning your image...Maybe try to add some "real" textures like for the flag or for the stained glass and retouch them in Feng Zhu works for exemple...

Your caracter is looking very good!:thumbsup: Great work..I don't think that he's too looking good for me...

Time is running...

05 May 2005, 07:20 AM
ZUT!! :scream: J'avais oublié...Sais tu comment faire pour changer son pseudo...en m'inscrivant sur CGtalk j'ai mis mon vrai nom..mais maintenant je voudrais changer par un pseudo...J'ai été dans mon user cp et je ne vois pas comment faire....

05 May 2005, 08:36 AM
good luck my friend hope we both wont run out of time

05 May 2005, 04:16 PM
thx all ^^ I hope I won't run out of time too^^ haha

FA ====> je t'ais repondu sur ton post :)

05 May 2005, 04:34 PM
:) So to hold!

05 May 2005, 04:36 PM
Neozoom, hey this is progressing very nicely, have you considered some colors in the glass above the angel? Could give some really cool color options...

Just a thought, good luck in the challenge! :thumbsup:

My M&S:

05 May 2005, 06:17 PM
wish u finish it in time.
take care.:wavey: (

05 May 2005, 11:39 AM
the little red monks with the dark eyes are soooo cute!! :love:keep going and good luck to you! :applause:

05 May 2005, 12:46 AM
update....update...:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
let us see ur progresss.:twisted:

05 May 2005, 12:50 AM
Its a good work ! good luck!

05 May 2005, 02:07 PM
I see a great technique here, but still much to do. I hope u'll manage it, coz it would be a shame not to finish such a great concept in ur style. Good luck!

05 May 2005, 10:27 AM
Your image very light , i like it.
God luck.

05 May 2005, 12:35 PM
Sorry guys.. for some reasons ... I'll not finish this contest in time...

05 May 2005, 02:58 PM
hey..neoz.:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
time still left.
maybe it'll not be complete but u can do as u can.please don't leave it.
keep fighting, mean to u and for me too.
wait for ur final image always.

05 May 2005, 03:25 PM
Coming along nicely man! I haven't been on in a while, but in this zero hour I hope to pull something off.

And the clock goes tick...tick...tick...tick...tick....:)

Best of luck...I'll check in again @ Midnight tomorrow!

Thanks for all your help too, BTW.

05 May 2005, 04:32 PM
hey neozoom, go, go, go i want see your final image

05 May 2005, 07:46 PM
Hi Neozoom,

the challenge is almost over and I wanted to say thx for your kind comment. I really hope you could finish your own piece in time--it would be such a pity. This time it's me who has to say: Hurry up, man... ;))

Good luck,
:) <- Lutz

05 May 2005, 01:11 PM
sorry u cudn't make it man....real sorry.

05 May 2005, 01:44 PM
Lol all that talk about me finishing to be in the team and you did not finish. this is too funny. Oh well at least u tried.

05 May 2005, 01:51 PM
Lol all that talk about me finishing to be in the team and you did not finish. this is too funny. Oh well at least u tried.

lol..but he is still on the team,he invented it.

u however got lazy.... *smacks pushav*

05 May 2005, 02:08 PM
lol..but he is still on the team,he invented it.

u however got lazy.... *smacks pushav*

The deal was If i finish I was in. Therefore I finished. Lol. Can't back down on your word Neo Lol. Looks like I won.

05 May 2005, 02:38 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! You didnt finish! I am angry! I wanted to see this one done so bad! You better finish this and post it in the gallery! I will be angry with you if you do not! *Corey gives Neozoom an evil look*

05 May 2005, 02:47 PM
The deal was If i finish I was in. Therefore I finished. Lol. Can't back down on your word Neo Lol. Looks like I won.

lol,me don't think so!

05 May 2005, 06:52 PM
lol,me don't think so!

The leader did not finish. That is the point. And a half member did. Lol.
Nebz said that I was in the group so ha NOOB! lol.