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03 March 2005, 04:05 PM
Simon Dominic Brewer has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

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Well, that's it! Thanks to everyone who's commented and good luck to all :D

03 March 2005, 04:22 PM (

Hello all. First off Iíve done a few thumbs, which took about 20mins in total. Luckily I have a good idea of what I want to do so thatís why theyíre all pretty similar. Once I decide on a thumb Iíll expand it into a proper concept sketch. Because I donít do line art Iíll use the concept sketch as an active starting point for the finished image.

My idea is that of a pilgrim or holy man on his travels. He sees his god everywhere he looks and just for the instant captured in this painting, we can see his god too, towering above him in the rock of the mountain. I want it so that the viewer understands that the mountain is not really that shape, itís the abstract perception of the pilgrim, who feels protected by his master. If we were actually there, viewing the same scene, the mountain would look likeÖ well, just a mountain. This is going to make it pretty difficult, in that I donít want to overly define the god-shape, but I do want it so people recognise what it is. Should be fun.

I would like to do some detail on the pilgrim, especially on the face (I like faces almost as much as I like landscapes) but unfortunately I donít think itís a good idea because the expression on his face is not really relevant to the concept. The pilgrim needs to be in the middle distance, like No. 6, but unlike No. 6 I donít think Iíll have him looking up at the mountain, instead heíll be strolling towards us.

In the finished version (which will be 5454 x 3986) I want a real impression of size for that mountain, and a overwhelming feeling of calm. This means uber-detail, so I expect the whole process to take a long time.

Please, if you have comments and criticisms along the way, I want to hear them. Donít waste time in being nicey-nicey, just tell it like it is Ė I promise I wonít be offended. I wonít necessarily do what people advise, but I will take note of everything thatís said.

BTW Iím using Painter8.1

03 March 2005, 04:47 PM
Hello Simon! Good to see you in the challenge! This is an interesting concept... Looking forward to seeing it develop... :)

03 March 2005, 05:07 PM (

5min sketch of the rock godhead, colours muted because it will be way in the distance. The trick will be getting it to look like part of the mountain *and* a recognisable face.

03 March 2005, 05:20 PM
Hello Simon! Good to see you in the challenge! This is an interesting concept... Looking forward to seeing it develop... :)

How's it going :) Yep, I'll post everything up here and everyone can go "WTF?!" at my WIPs. My first contest, so let's just see how it goes.

03 March 2005, 05:30 PM
lukin great so far!

03 March 2005, 10:24 PM (

A modern kind of pilgrim. Prob do a more fantasy-type one tomorrow and see which I like best.

03 March 2005, 10:44 PM
This will be intresting :) makes a mark.

03 March 2005, 11:45 PM
It's good to see a less literal concept on the go :)

The trick will be getting it to look like part of the mountain *and* a recognisable face.

You are right. It's obviously early days, but your sketches look a bit like Mt. Rushmore, which would give a misleading interpretation to your meaning. Perhaps if you tried to use more of the mountain and even incorporated other elements such as the clouds or foliage to help define the face it would look less like a head carved in the rock and give that transient instance you are after?

03 March 2005, 10:21 AM
Hey Simon!

Glad you're here - I was going to contact you to see if you knew about this contest.

Looks like a nice idea.

I'll look forward to seeing this develop...

Hmm... I don't feel quite so lonely now... :)

03 March 2005, 10:43 AM
nenne - I'm hoping that what I lack in technical ability I can make up for in originality! :)

adam - thanks for dropping by

OPL - Mt Rushmore - good call, that's exactly what I thought when I posted it. It needs some work but because it has to be so integrated with everything else (good ideas about the clouds, etc.) I doubt I can do it in concept, I'll probably leave it til the main image.

I hope get all the concept stuff done over the weekend.

03 March 2005, 01:31 PM (

3 characters for the pilgrim. I'll probably go with No. 3, he looks a bit more mystical than the other two. No. 1 looks like a student backpacker, which wasn't really my intention.

03 March 2005, 01:53 PM
Yes, definetely the third one, He is with bigest expreshion from all, and he is stronger then others. Choose him. Good luck!

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03 March 2005, 01:54 PM
Beautifull colours !!!
I can feel the mood just with your sketch....


03 March 2005, 03:27 PM
Very nice sketches ! You're right the third one is the one :)

03 March 2005, 03:30 PM
Nice embiance!I like the charcter researches.Indeed ,i thik too that faces are really fascinating in art.I'm curious what you'll come up with and how you'll work this out.(I know thats a little Nice-Nicey but Cant' say anything else for the moment):D
Good luck and espcecialy,loads of fun to you!!!

03 March 2005, 03:54 PM
Heh, looks like it's No. 3 then. Thanks for the advice, everyone. OKMER - don't worry, I'll give plenty of opportunity for non-nicey-nicey comments when I start on the real piece, which I suppose I should begin today... :eek:

03 March 2005, 04:04 PM
Wow, I really like your concepts and ideas. The mountain looks great so far from the concepts I've seen. The god is definitely there, but discreet. I also really like the pilgrim. His pose and expression really portray the fact that he is feeling protected. Nice work so far!

03 March 2005, 04:31 PM
Good Sketches and colors.. ^^

03 March 2005, 06:09 PM
i like thumb #6 because you can begin to see the interaction between the holy man and his god. the holy man is looking up at the mountain, he is not walking, but standing in awe, their is an artist named bev doolittle who i think will inspire you, good luck

03 March 2005, 06:43 PM (

First full concept sketch. I've done it fullsize (5454x3986) cos I'll actually evolve this into the main image (no lineart stage). There's a few things I need to change before I begin refining, mainly the guy who lacks presence and looks like he's just walked out of the tree. Anyway, it's a start.

03 March 2005, 06:47 PM
Yeah, this guy is really annoying. Pilgrim or not, he need a good kicking. I think I'll erase him and start again (it's at time like this I wish I used layers)

Thanks for the comments so far.

03 March 2005, 07:40 PM (

Expanded the canvas by around 20% and switched the guy around. If I hadn't have expanded the canvas he would've been too central. Plus, I think a bigger canvas gives a better composition with the god's head not squashed in.

03 March 2005, 08:00 PM
The quality of your concepts are amazing, but I have a hard time mkaing out the relationship between master and servant. I haven't had a chance to read through your entire thread, but depends what everyone else thinks too! I'll check back soon to see how your entry develops! Keep up the great work!

03 March 2005, 08:09 PM
AirbORn - thanks for letting me know, I'll see what I can do about that. I need to give the impression of a pilgrim, protected by his god (his master) as he goes on his journey. Perhaps I need to emphasise a few things. Hmm... let me think...

03 March 2005, 08:13 PM
Nice compostion and good color temperature in the piece so far. This is gonna be a good one to watch.

03 March 2005, 03:09 PM (

These categories seem pretty redundant for the way I work, so this will have to do as my "line art" milestone. What I've done is, with a hard brush, block in the main areas of colour to provide form / light / shadow. Flipped horizontally too, just to get that added perpective. Not happy about a couple of things yet, the god's hand and the guy mainly. Heh, looks like paint-by-numbers, doesn't it? Shouldn't do for long, though :)

03 March 2005, 03:45 PM
Beautiful can almost smell the breeze. Color and lighting are great, and your painterly style is awesome. Congratulations.

The way you put the man under the tree's shadow is just great.

By the way, a couple of years ago I took this photo of the so called "Gorilla Head" mountain near Rio de Janeiro. Perhaps it might help you in your rendering of the master's head. It's a bit out of focus, but I think it can help.

GorillaHead Photo (

03 March 2005, 03:53 PM
Lovely colour scheme! I would have preferred the 2nd concept for the man though- it seemed a bit more interesting. More aloof or something.

If I read it right, the Godhead in the mountain is watching over his servant walking through the forest, is that right? What is the relationship between master & servant here?
The man's pose though, sort of bothers me. It could be a bit more dynamic. Think about how to really convey his purpose and what he's doing there, right now he looks a bit bored, strolling through the forest.
I really do like your concept and I love your colours and values. Keep up the good work!!

03 March 2005, 05:48 PM
Andreas - thanks for your comments and the photo. That mountain is cool! Yes, I need to make this one a little more rock-like and a little less god-like.

paperclip - well, it's more that the man is feeling protected by his god, so in fact he is just strolling along, without a care in the world. So I suppose he's been a good servant and knows that because of that, his master is watching over him. The dynamics should improve once I get some detail in there. Cheers :)

03 March 2005, 05:53 PM
oh man i love the organic colour scheme.

03 March 2005, 08:13 PM (

Blended some of the stronger colours to get rid of the paint-by-numbers effect :) and now I'm starting on the background detail. I'll do the background detail first, then the foreground, then repeat as many times as necessary (hopefully none, but I doubt I'll get away with a single pass). For detail I'm using a 6px brush with pressure sizing and dollops of jitter, grain, bleed and colour variance - lovely stuff for landscapes! :)

03 March 2005, 08:35 PM
Although a minor update, the background really seems to recede, compared to the previous step. Your earth tones really "rock"!

03 March 2005, 09:13 PM
your work on this is really great. I like the concept of him seeing his God in the mountain, and how he is walking feeling safe under the protection n guidance of his God (master). Good choice with the character, he fits the scene more naturally I think.

03 March 2005, 09:16 PM
Thanks 2u both. Andreas - glad you said that about the background receding, that's exactly what I want.

03 March 2005, 09:35 PM
This is looking just lovely. Nice calm image. I wish you the best of luck!

03 March 2005, 10:05 PM
Hi there! As I see Im not sign here yet.. what a shame! Great art for now and Im expecting more and more :) Not crits yet coz I just came, so I'll look around a bit, get comfortable and then put some suggestions down, if there will be any. Good luck for now and once again, great style!

03 March 2005, 10:09 PM
I had not seen your work yet, but the concept is excellent with a big potential, the atmosphere is very maid, and well chosen color. Really I like the concept, I am attentively going to follow the continuation :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

03 March 2005, 10:56 PM
It's coming along nicely.

I agree though that you need somehow to unify the pilgrim with the god to demonstrate the master-servant relationship. Maybe you could do it with lighting/atmospherics, say a sunbeam originating behind the god and striking the pilgrim, or perhaps with the modelling of the god, e.g. the hands appear in a way that they are cupping the pilgrim.

OK, just a couple of throw away ideas that may be a bit cheesy. Looking at your image again I think the god is generally detached from the pilgrim. You have done well with the expression of the pilgrim, but maybe the god's expression needs some more work. Perhaps something to keep in mind when you move onto the painting proper.

03 March 2005, 12:17 AM
great painting style and colour choices. really looking forward to seeing this one develop. keep up the great work!


03 March 2005, 10:28 AM
I like your start. I was going to suggest clouds brushing up against the lofty mountain giving a sense that the impression you've made of god a strong celestial feeling.....but I believe from your early concept renderings you doing that. One thing you could consider is clouding the sky up a little more and have the light source from left to right..........manipulating a few shafts of light passing down around gods face dappling light straight onto the ground of the'll bring the two elements together to reinforce your concept, and visually it'll look like he's guiding his path.

Just a thought


03 March 2005, 11:34 AM
Thanks for the suggestions and encouragement, some good ideas there. I have actually changed the god's head slightly for the next WIP, to make it actually look a bit more like the pilgrim - i.e. the pilgrim was made in the image of his god. Also (and it's not clear yet) the emblem around the pilgrim's neck will be the same as the one on the ring of the god's hand. A bit tricky, that one, I'll see how it goes. The light beams is an interesting idea, I'll play around with that.

03 March 2005, 02:26 PM (

4hrs later and there's barely any difference! Apologies for my boring WIPs, it's just the way I work. Maybe I'll wait 8hrs before the next one :)

Anyhow, altered the god's head a little and carried on with the first pass detail on the backdrop. Hopefully it's started to give an idea of distance. Still thinking about relationships between god and man (I've made them look a bit more similar). Renamed it "faith", don't know if that helps :D

03 March 2005, 02:48 PM
Pretty starting and color sympathetic nerve,
Good luck for thecontinuation.

03 March 2005, 06:26 PM
starting out nicely, the distance is quite good, though you can always push it a bit now, can't you?

Just go for high enough contrast - not exactly sure about your pallette, but keep tweaking! I like your trees, by the way.

03 March 2005, 07:15 PM
Your painting technique is most impressive Baron, I really like where this is going :applause:

03 March 2005, 08:22 PM (

Nearly finished the first pass on the background detail. Messed about with the clouds a bit, started on the mid-ground trees. Looking forwards to doing the leaves on those foreground trees is something that I'm not doing.

03 March 2005, 08:26 PM
Thanks, Taz :)

03 March 2005, 08:29 PM
aren't the clouds a bit too planned??? each layer of cloud looks like a duplicate,like a story book type of style.if thats what ur goin for its great,if not u may want to re-work it to make it realistic.

the rest is fantastic!!

03 March 2005, 08:33 PM
Yes, you're very right about the clouds NOOB. Don't worry, though, there's loads of cloudy stuff to do yet, they're almost just place-holders at the moment.

03 March 2005, 08:49 PM
Simon, really nice work, this is going to look amazing

03 March 2005, 08:53 PM
Beautiful colors, love the mountain, very bright and peacefull mood, will be waiting for ur next one,:)


03 March 2005, 09:29 PM
Whoa man i just got goosebumps, is that Painter u r working with... now that is what i call an atmosphere. no crits here, u obviously know what u r doing:thumbsup:

03 March 2005, 09:31 PM
very original idea here, man. i like the way the wips are shaping up.

03 March 2005, 10:09 PM
Your work is going literally fantastic.

And impressively fast.

The thing I liked most abou tall this is actually the thin line in your original concept. Tha manner that what we shall see towering above him is going to be recognised as to be a ressemblence of his God rather than a mountain carved out such.
Honestly at this point it looks more like a carved out mountain (Mnt. Rushmore'ish) as it is. I have to insist that it is taking NOTHING from how impressive your work so far is. It is just that I was curious for if something more discriptive to the thought is coming? I am actually wondering how it is going to be tackled. Alsthough you are at so ar a stage... would an aprouch of the beams of light mentioned earlier hitting the side of a plane mountain-side creating an illusion of a face be more abstract to the concept? It's JUST an idea.

I would love to see what you come up with in the end of it all. Things are all looking great!


03 March 2005, 12:41 AM
Very nice. I'm really liking the composition.

03 March 2005, 12:49 AM
I love this piece, I really like the concept you used where the master and slave theme is not necessarily a struggle between good and evil. I really feel the serenity by looking at the pilgrim. Great Job!

03 March 2005, 08:13 AM
This is a great concept, Simon, and your image is looking great. Looking forward to see how this develops!

03 March 2005, 08:37 AM
very beutiful. the backround is very bierstadtish.. very nice touch of space.

03 March 2005, 09:21 AM
Thanks, everyone. Still not sure what I'm going to do about the "carved mountain" look, maybe when I get the clouds and all the detail in the mountain will look less carved. Beams of light, mist, trees, even lines of birds. Hmm, tricky. nebezial - yes, I use Painter. Ant4d - I spend a whole afternoon studying Albert Bierstadt's landscapes before I did this - if I can get 1/10 of the atmosphere he managed then I'll be well happy!

03 March 2005, 01:28 PM (

Playing around with the light beam idea as well as trying to make the face less like a face whilst still being recognisable as a face! :| Some more detail on the mid-ground, plus messed about with the colour a bit so I can get some strong hues in the foreground and contrast them with the distance-faded background.

03 March 2005, 04:49 PM
faceless? reminds me of my

anyway looking great!!

03 March 2005, 04:52 PM
Gorgeous so far!

03 March 2005, 04:52 PM
Love your process. It is interesting to watch. I think you have a very strong concept and look forward to watching it grow.

03 March 2005, 04:58 PM
whoa... very nice! the mountains really leave me breathless!!.... will be keeping an eye on this one! :P

03 March 2005, 05:07 PM
Very interesting work!!
You are an artist!

03 March 2005, 05:14 PM
Loving it so far! Great idea too. Your use of colour is superb, me so jealous. Looking forward to the final image a lot!

03 March 2005, 06:53 PM (

I'll be dreaming of blades of grass tonight. Damn, and you can't even see them this size! :) Anyway, more foreground detail added. Next I'll do the big tree, then add more foliage and sort the clouds and god-head, then the water and the guy. Loads to do yet but I'm back at work tomorrow :( so updates will be less frequent until the weekend.

03 March 2005, 06:55 PM
well..its only end of march...and we have to may,so theres no rush.

nice update

03 March 2005, 06:57 PM
Thanks for the encouragement everyone, appreciated :)

noob - yeah, I know, but I can't see myself spending more than a week on a single piece, it's just not me ;)

03 March 2005, 07:08 PM
lol the point i'm trying to make is u shudn't have even started the final piece yet

the reason we have so long is to plan.

still luv what u got though.

*runs away*

03 March 2005, 08:19 PM
"The reason we have so long is to plan."

Heh, you can plan when you're dead. Oh, no you can't, that's sleep. Ah well, you know what I mean. ;) To be honest it'll take a while til I'm happy with this, so no end in sight yet. Next update mid-week.

03 March 2005, 09:54 PM
Damn Simon!

Best concept I've seen so far!


wonder where you're gonna take it...

cheers friend

03 March 2005, 10:39 PM
you are amazing in background,I like it!!

03 March 2005, 11:17 PM
Absolutely stunning work on all fronts: Concept, technique, composition...

The fact that the person's face position is mirrored by the mountain... brilliant. I can't wait to see a bigger version of this and drink in all that you have put into it! It is a thrill to watch a masterpiece being created.


03 March 2005, 12:36 AM
Perhaps you've answered this elsewhere but I was thinking with the notion that the follower is surrounded by his god that it would reinforce that to have similar faces in the trunk of the tree and perhaps the water.

Otherwise I think this piece is amazing. Gorgeous pallette that seems very evocative of Native American lore and mythology.


03 March 2005, 01:20 AM
Very impressive Baron. It's quite interresting to see how you've progressed throughout the piece.

Good Luck.

03 March 2005, 04:32 AM
this is mad. good stuff, reminds me of paintings of native indians on the plains.

03 March 2005, 04:34 AM
Nice work. I will be watching to see how this develops. GL.

03 March 2005, 08:31 AM
Yes oh yes! It looks fantastic already! So like a traditional painting. And the ambient and atmosphere r so piecfull and quite that I would like to live there hehe. I have absolutely no critics at the moment. U r a great artist!

03 March 2005, 09:23 AM
This is starting to look very dramatic now.

(Damn... wish I could paint like that... mumble mumble...)

I think it would have been worth playing with the position of the character more - I feel maybe if he was closer, it would be a bit more intimate - and we could emote more with the painting as a whole. Just an idea - I am not an expert on such matters :)

Keep it up!

p.s. Don't forget 'the other contest' closes today. ;)

03 March 2005, 09:47 AM
I think your idea of a pilgrim, and the feel of God, is really great and your first sketches make it more interesting, but I'm not sure that it fits exactly to the contest theme...

I hope for you that it is, because you've done a good job 'til now :)

03 March 2005, 12:15 PM
Thanks everyone, some interesting ideas there. I've thought about the faces in the surroundings, not too sure yet. And about having the guy a bit closer. The only reason I didn't have him closer was to show his relaxed stride, and his interaction with the environment. I would love to do a bigger, more detailed face but I'm just afraid it would look to cut & pasted.

Mythmaker - oops, forgot about that one, I did it so long ago. If it's still open when I get back this evening I'll post, honestly!

bonestudio - thanks. I think the themes are purposely broad so that all manner of interpretation can be made, giving rise to more variety of entries, so I'm confident this will fit in :)

03 March 2005, 01:08 PM
Oh man~~~

that's awesome, love the concept and the colours!

03 March 2005, 09:27 PM
Really nice coloring WIP! Really like attention to details with the grass and the trees and mountain in the background! Colors are great too! I was thinking maybe the detail on some parts of the far mountain (left hand could be faded a little bit more to make the foreground elements stand out more? Can't stop.. looking.. at picture!! Keep up the amazing work!

03 March 2005, 01:11 AM
Nice Colors!! are you useing painter or photoshop??? :thumbsup:

03 March 2005, 08:07 AM
Cheers for the comments, I'll bear them in mind.

Samuraikuroi - I'm using Painter

Hopefully I'll post another update on Fri (too much time taken up by work *spit*)

03 March 2005, 08:18 AM
Hello Baron

Love the colours in this design, its really starting to take shape. The mood of the piece somehow reminds me of an old western movie (thats a compliment, I hope, by the way!). This is definately one to watch.

Best of luck.


03 March 2005, 09:15 PM
Hi Simon. Absolutely awsome piece of artwork. Makes me wish I could paint! Best of luck to a fellow UK dweller....! :applause: Claireabella

03 March 2005, 10:05 PM
Thanks mack & Claireabella.

Managed to do a couple more hours today and it's starting to transform from a mush of colours into something more interesting. But damn, I'm slow. Will update on Friday :)

03 March 2005, 02:32 AM
Simon... I've already voiced my great appreciation and amazement at this piece. The one thing that I noticed after spending A LOT of time marveling at your work was that something seemed slightly amiss with walking positions of the pilgrim. It appears, to me at least, that both his left arm with the walking stick AND his left leg are in a forward stride position.

The dramatic and emotional elements of nature in your works is beautifuly realized.


03 March 2005, 06:12 AM
This is a really gorgeous painting, I love the colors in it. The man's pose and expression are perfect, the whole composition is great.
I'm curious to see the grass by the way, why not post a close-up of it?

03 March 2005, 07:02 AM
**drools*** the details are simply gorgeous. :thumbsup:

03 March 2005, 10:08 AM
Wow hadn't seen this one before. Looking awesome:thumbsup:

I wouldn't make the man bigger (if you're still thinking about it that is) cause this way he looks so small next to this huge god creature, it works perfect this way.

Anyway, I'll keep my eyes on this one, good luck

03 March 2005, 11:11 AM
now this is a very nice concept! i like it! best luck!

03 March 2005, 11:54 AM
Thanks everyone for the encouragement.

MrWorks: Mmm, maybe when I define him better his stance will improve. Cheers for pointing this out.

sidchagan - I'll post a couple of close-ups soon.

03 March 2005, 11:53 PM
great! i thought i lost this thread, but here it is! one of my favourites!
nicey-nicey.. ok.. another quick look to find some flaws... iīm sorry... no flaws so far.. :)

i like your technique.. no lineart.. do you make sculptures too?

good luck to you :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 08:22 PM (

Original size shot of the grass. It's unfinished (that's easier to see at this size)

04 April 2005, 08:26 PM (

Started sketching the leaves in, plus a few other things. Messing with the colour, although I'll almost certainly de-saturate it before the final image. I reckon I'm more than half-way through. Still need to sort that guy, though.

04 April 2005, 08:29 PM
i like your way of suggesting details rather than actually painting them. Ive always wanted to be able to do that. Great job!


04 April 2005, 08:32 PM
I cant get over how good that background is..Just continue to add details and sharper the picture, this is gonna be a treat.

04 April 2005, 08:35 PM
this pic looks finished.

but the funny thing is ....its not.

its it possible to go on?

find out soon...

rated pg-13.

04 April 2005, 09:02 PM
So far it's looking great, I love the mountain and the clouds. Not a lot to say, you seem to know what you're doing so keep it up (if you insist it needs more work!?) :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 09:06 PM
The massive stone structure feels like a main focal point of this seen. I love how it penetrates the dusty clouds as the light shines down to highlight its features. The pilgrim also feels to be another point of attention. Do you plan to add more detail to him? This is great art.

04 April 2005, 09:12 PM
Hello all, thanks for the encouragement. To be honest, the further I go with this the more to me it starts looking like a shit-fight. I think it's because I easily get tired of seeing the thing again and again and my mind starts telling me, Do something else! Do something else! I will perservere, though.

And no, it's far from finished. A load of detail to go in there yet, pretty much everywhere. The guy - well, he's a good candidate for being obliterated by my big square brush. Makes me wish I used layers *sigh* :)

Anyway, keep on letting me know what y'all think, good or bad, it's very helpful amd much appreciated.

04 April 2005, 09:15 PM
hey man what resolution u working at? not 300dpi ,i mean the image size demensions.

04 April 2005, 09:18 PM
Er, lemme see... 3986 x 5454

04 April 2005, 09:22 PM
That is looking incredible. The light playing around in that scene is really superbly done. Very skilled with the wacom are you. /me says like yoda. Anyways I love it. I don't however like the pilgrim's cane. I don't think it works for this character. I'm not sure why, no reason why he couldn't have one. He just doesn't look like he needs one. Besides that it's amazing. So much loving detail.

04 April 2005, 09:25 PM
Damn! - You make it sooo... tangible! - Like you could jump into the picture.

But yeah - that guy is letting the side down a bit - especially when you consider the huge towering drama of the mountain in contrast up above. Maybe it's just about creating a stonger link between the two characters...

I'm sure you'll figure it out. :)

04 April 2005, 09:40 PM
I envy you skill with lighting Simon, in the trees, and the reflections in the water, and well... everywhere really! Interesting to read you intend to turn the saturation down a bit later... something I tend to do at a later stage also. What are you going to do for the next six weeks!? ;)

04 April 2005, 09:50 PM
it's very good so far..the compostion is very solid and i like the natural look of the colors u using specially the buttom area of the stones,trees and water

some critique: i think the character at buttom should get more detail..looks little simple now as compared to the rest..but i guess u're still working on that

also i like the clouds and mountains..but i feel if u experiment more u can make better mountains and clouds..i think they're not as realistic as the buttom part...may be it's just the shapes of the mountain..the left part of the the picture the mountains stand out a bit

but overall this is one of the best i've seen here so far..good luck to u

04 April 2005, 09:55 PM
Although aI have not been keeping up this is looking good. and good luck.

04 April 2005, 10:00 PM
Fantastic lighting...............superb development.

On track to be a stunning piece of work


04 April 2005, 10:02 PM
Hello all, thanks for the encouragement. To be honest, the further I go with this the more to me it starts looking like a shit-fight. I think it's because I easily get tired of seeing the thing again and again and my mind starts telling me, Do something else! Do something else! I will perservere, though.

And no, it's far from finished. A load of detail to go in there yet, pretty much everywhere. The guy - well, he's a good candidate for being obliterated by my big square brush. Makes me wish I used layers *sigh* :)

Anyway, keep on letting me know what y'all think, good or bad, it's very helpful amd much appreciated.

Wow you sound like your having the same problems as me lol...After looking at the same picture for awhile you can grow tired of it! just keep going though, this is too good to stop not. Trust me no one else is tried of it at all:thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 10:22 PM
I must say a couple things that I really see can help this piece.

The biggest one is the character, he personally is not fitting your great scene as well as he can. The first character sketch you drew I thought wa best for it with the 3rds garmetry used. I think what it is, is the 3rd character is looking off to the right where your environment is darkest. Try having him look ahead to all the possiblilities that are waiting for him. A well done face that fits the body will help this so much. If you cover the head with your finger, you will see more of what im saying, secondly have him move more to the left so you have some of the light hitting his flesh, that always helps with mood. I hope this helps at all as I think you have a fantastic piece thus far!


agent bone
04 April 2005, 11:41 PM
Man you are really jammin with this piece. I really like the enviroment, just so much stuff going on.

04 April 2005, 11:46 PM
Simon Dominic Brewer has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (

Latest Update: Coloring WIP: faith - more detail (

Started sketching the leaves in, plus a few other things. Messing with the colour, although I'll almost certainly de-saturate it before the final image. I reckon I'm more than half-way through. Still need to sort that guy, though.

Love your theme. Composition works really well to. Can't wait to see the final product. should be awesome!

04 April 2005, 12:31 AM
absolutely beautifull work.

2 small sugestions:
the foreground tree's highlights look too warm for me, like transluscent, (backlightarea) maybe make the specular color a bit less saturated solves that.
sky at the moment is a bit busy and draws attention away from the rest of your composition.

keep up the great work. this is an awesome piece you're coming up with! goodluck and have loadsa fun, cheers:thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 07:33 AM
subtle, but then to honest I rather like that, and some very nice colour work too

04 April 2005, 08:11 AM
So far it looks really good, I totally dig the montain! That one is the best, and also the soft natural look is fab. Good.

04 April 2005, 08:26 AM
Well done Baron. It really looks impossible how you make the lightning of the image.
Nice touch with that soft color. Good luck :thumbsup: (

04 April 2005, 10:05 AM
Wow, thanks for all the comments, and there're some great suggestions in that I will be seriously considering. I've got some ideas for the guy, as this one isn't really working, so I hope to post them soon. But damn, as soon as I get to the weekend I get a bad cold so maybe it will take me 6 weeks to finish after all ;) Thanks again, everyone.

04 April 2005, 10:23 AM
Yo Simon!

I'm also a huge fan of your original concept!

Very impressive lighting, but...

you've got back light well illustrated on the bark of the tree, but I recommend you character gets some of that too, if he's fully in the casted shadow area of the trees, I think he'd still have a bit of backlight falling on his right (his right, not our right :) right?! ) calf, and maybe both sides of his foot...

these are my calculations :)

big fan of your artwork, checked out your portfolio, and i must say you've got a really developed style! your avatar is a good crop of your piece "The Neuromancer".

keep it up!

check ya later

04 April 2005, 03:30 PM
Im drooling by ur work every time I came by. :drool:

04 April 2005, 07:28 PM (

Well, can't say I didn't warn him - the first guy was stomped by my Big Square Brush and another floaty-type dude put in his place. I think I like this one better. He'll look more like he's floating when I paint him properly. I put the wooden staff in there behind him to further force him into the foreground, reinforcing the idea that he's levitating. Because I didn't use layers I lost some grass and mountain detail, so I guess my next job is to fill that in *sigh*

04 April 2005, 07:36 PM
Thanks Adamos, NinjaASSN. Adamos - hopefully the light's a bit better on the guy now, although he's only sketched at the moment.

04 April 2005, 07:37 PM
thas just simply amazing. wow. This looks and feels like one of thoose Marel comic masterpeice cards done by the hilderbrant brothers (hopefully I spelled their names right).

04 April 2005, 07:40 PM
Your control of light and depth is fantastic! My only suggestion would be to change his expression to one of meditation, with his eyes closed and looking slightly down, and perhaps make him a bit thinner, specially his face and neck, as if he was fasting...and devoting his life to devotion. Just suggesting.

Great work.

04 April 2005, 08:12 PM've got great skill not many people can paint like that....

04 April 2005, 08:14 PM
i think ur worthy of winning at least sumthin in this comp.

excellent stuff!!

04 April 2005, 08:16 PM
try to work on his face a little...

04 April 2005, 08:18 PM
It's a very beautiful pic, with a nice ambiance, i prefere the floating character, he give an mistycal atmosphere at your concept, the head of the "mountain god", is very good, good work:thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 08:31 PM
The new levitating guy looks nice, but I honestly think the old one looked better- it had a more thoughful, wonderous look to it somehow.
Background's still coming along nicely.

04 April 2005, 08:57 PM
How is it that I haven't seen this thread until now? This is fantastic!

04 April 2005, 09:12 PM
i did like the walking dude too , nice to see some magic in both, though.

04 April 2005, 09:14 PM
To make him float has definitely added something to your scene. It makes him more intriguing. I must say your background is quite amazing. Your technique to render leaves... just so effective! Great work so far! :)

04 April 2005, 09:35 PM
Hi baron (Simon)....Just dropping by to give you a couple of these well deserved things......:thumbsup: :thumbsup: .....thats a very beautiful piece of art you got going here....real nice in every regard.....I'll be on the look out for more,wish you the best as you move forward....:arteest:

04 April 2005, 09:58 AM
Looking great so far. But at my first quick glance, the i didn't notice the guy was floating. It might be because the staff is looking too unified with the guy, i'm really not sure. It might be just me.
For a suggestion, I'm thinking a little bit of wind could spice up your piece, but it might be just a bit too much work so it's your choice.

04 April 2005, 10:18 AM
Hi Simon,

the floating guy idea is a great idea > gives the image a more out of world feeling. :thumbsup:. I love the way your image looks like > very painterly. I like your color palette and the water reflections.

Maybe you could increase the floating by painting more shadows. The sticks shadow goes along under the position of the character and his shadow starts at the bottom. This fixes the position I think. I hope it makes sense to you.


04 April 2005, 10:22 AM
Hi, mate.......looking cool. I haven't looked at your thread for a while, so I have a few comments from a fresh eye.

I like the floating guy (and the walking one) I think they both work. You can't make out god's face, If you didn't know that was your concept, you wouldn't get it. Maybe put more human-like features in there. Basically just work into it a little more.

Underneath the floating guy, carry on the lake underneath him, and move the bright rocks so they don't touch, at the moment there's still foregroung elements underneath him and it's playing around with the scale. If you could see under and past him to the lake that is in the background it will reinforce the illusion that he is floating and not grounded to anything.

I hope this makes sense.

On the way to becoming a killer piece


04 April 2005, 10:30 AM
Cheers to everyone for the kind comments, appreciated. Yep, I'll have to work on the guy's floatability. Fahrija - I'll play around with the shadows and see what happens. Paul - that's a good idea about the lake, I'll certainly give that a try. And the god's head, oh no! :D I just made it less human cos everyone said it looked like Mt Rushmore! Argh! :scream: But I think I can see where just a couple of brushstrokes will make the difference so people can see it's a head but not have it too defined like simply a person made from stone. Thanks for those suggestions.

04 April 2005, 10:42 AM
what's up dude,

Yours is really looking nice. I like the floating dude better than the standing one and really good attention to details.

My master & servant entry (

04 April 2005, 10:53 AM
wow! it's looks great!

-but i think the stick is not helps for the levitation, take it to the ground... (for exmpl).
and the face will better?

cheers: Kornťl

04 April 2005, 10:59 AM
This is looking great man. You need to add more contrast're going great. keep it up

04 April 2005, 01:02 PM
This is one of those choices you would call a very brave attempt. Since none the less the image was actually finished and complete with the guy hiking...

But inspite my first reaction when I saw the change, and inspite the fact that had I been asked about it I would not really call it a good idea. I think you did a right thing. The image has so much more into it now. And it has a much bettereasier connection to the storyline of the contest.

And if nothing the light areas under the darkness that his gifure imposses, add so much to the composition. It all looks like a brand new image.

Great and welcome change!


04 April 2005, 02:29 PM
I love the dude in the background I didnt see him at I am glad you went for the hovering dude the other one was a bit plain with such a fantastic backdrop.. :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 05:07 PM (

Think I've finished detail on the first pass. Now I'll go over the whole thing again, adding the really small stuff. Gonna stick some animals in there, too. A couple of stripy pig-things drinking from the lake, some birds, that sort of thing. Might add the dude's shoes on the floor, too. There's a deceptively large amount to do yet, it's just you can't really see at this size. I sharpened the JPG a bit, just to get a bit more detail visible. Thanks for looking.

04 April 2005, 05:10 PM
Oh yeah, also replaced those rocks with water, so his floaty-ness is more convincing - thanks for the suggestion, Paul :)

04 April 2005, 06:02 PM
nice idea to get the guy hovering! i love this one :thumbsup: keep it up!

04 April 2005, 06:24 PM
*dies of jelousy*

ered dium
04 April 2005, 08:03 PM
Great image, I really like the background it's a nice scene.
Also I like the details and the color, I'm agree with you about the birds and more details like that.
Keep going!

Master and Servant (
Leo Calv

04 April 2005, 08:35 PM
Your work is so deliciously epic. I just love it. :) The light filtering through his robe is the perfect touch.

04 April 2005, 08:58 PM
Really impressive !! Really great colours !! Like it a lot. :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 09:20 PM
Great! I love the colors, it's amazing! Just one thinks; i don't see clearly who is the servant and who is the master...

04 April 2005, 09:32 PM
Thanks everyone. I hope to post another update in a couple of days. I accidently drew two pigs on my working image, thinking it was my test image, which is a bit annoying, and I'm not sure I want them to stay. Never mind, these things happen.

Ke V2 - the big guy, the really really big guy... he's the master :D

04 April 2005, 09:59 PM
I am in complete and utter awe, amazing work! :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 10:04 PM
I'd like to echo NOOB!'s sentiments! I simply adore this piece, I truly hope the judges award this a prize.I just love everything about it, from the concept to the colours, to the amazing execution. The floating guy adds a sense of mysticism to the pic, though I really liked the walking guy too. The two elements of the picture and the contrast bewteen them is beautiful. On the one hand there is the meditator, calm peaceful serene, with the stillness of the water seemingly echoing those feelings, and then all these huge, dramatic clouds semi-hiding the face of his god. Honestly, if there was a musical score to go with this picture, I'm not sure whether it would be some simple reflective meditating music, or a large, epic, booming orchestral piece. The transition between the two, though, is smooth as silk, and that is what really impresses me.

Only teeny thing detail-wise I noticed is the guy's right hand (his right rather than ours). It looks a little awkward. The left is fine, as it's resting on the slope of the outside of his knee, but the right looks a little odd twisted so far round when it seems to be resting on the downwards slope of the inside of his knee. You may already know that though, so excuse my ramblings if that's the case.

Truly, though, an amazing piece of artwork. If I could stick a big illuminated sign outside your thread saying "Judges! Pick this as one of your winners!' I would. The best of luck with your entry!

04 April 2005, 10:11 PM
Excellent work m@ !

04 April 2005, 10:28 PM
wooow this is beautiful... perfect! i almost cried of jelousy. i also checked your website and you have a great style. it's so eyecatching. i hope you get awarded for this piece. good luck!!

oh and maybe you should check his hands again. they don't seem right...

04 April 2005, 11:07 PM
Hi Simon,

its simply amazing how you deal with lightning and color in your image. Stunning work. :thumbsup:
The water and the rocks allready looking very convincing but Iīm curious to watch how it will look like after your next detail step.

You just used a six pixel airbrush to do the details? How do you achieve this grainy look with in the image (the rock parts or the gras)?


04 April 2005, 12:36 AM
Your image is coming together very nicely... The overall composition is outstanding.

04 April 2005, 12:49 AM
Wow you really kicked the floating guys ass by letting the light up his anus! And that's how it should be, excellent rendering of (transculent) light going through his cloak!

I'll be patient about his face though, cause that seems to be unfinished, so when I check back later I sort that out....:)

check you out sometime again

04 April 2005, 01:54 AM
This is looking very nice, I much prefer the new figure too. :D

04 April 2005, 02:58 AM
No layers, the mark of a true painter! Well done mate.

I've just picked up on your work and the progression has been awesome. I didn't notice it mentioned in the thread , is it done in Painter or a photo editing program like Photoshop?

04 April 2005, 03:38 AM
I really can't say enough about how strong this piece is to me. I see only one potential flaw, which you will probably address anyway, but the guy has a whole lot of jaw/cheek action happening. He seems to be in full profile- even his face turning away a bit, but his jawline is still very low. Also, his neck is uber thick.

Other than that, all spades, my friend. I'll have to look deeper to find anything else.

04 April 2005, 07:52 AM
wow nice work, you add up alote since i last checked great work.

04 April 2005, 07:53 AM
coooll, i see u've got somethin new, floating guy, nice....keep goin bud :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 10:01 AM
Wow, thanks guys, all your comments are very welcome.

SofaKingLazy :D Cheers

Zepyhri - it means a lot when someone can relate to a picture, thanks. I'll check out the hands the next chance I get.

Xtronik - :D

marcheen - Nice one, and yes, I'll check those hands

Fahrija - thanks for the comments. For detail, I don't use an airbrush, just a "standard" brush I made in the brush creator. I get the grainy look by having grain at around 60%, but most of all by having around 4% colour variation on the brush - it's this that makes the difference. I also use 100% bleed. Oh, and for the landscape, around 0.6 jitter really helps with that rocky look.

HammaJamma - thank you!

Adamos - all holy men have illuminated anuses, didn't you know? :D Yes, I'll mess with his face a bit.

JMcWilliams - cheers, glad you like the new guy.

SteveV - I sometimes wish I did use layers (like now, when I have to get rid of two strange animals) but on the whole I prefer not to. I use Painter.

feeb - Hey there, thanks for dropping in. Face and hands! Yep, they do need attention. ASAP!

arlutik - thanks, glad you think it's progressing

eclipson - Yep, still quite a bit to do yet. I'm off work today with some foul illness, but I doubt that'll stop me loading Painter :)

04 April 2005, 10:13 AM
Wow....your last update is awesome. The pilgrim is levitating.
Looks great...I'll say again that your compositon is just great,
with those changes it looks even beter. I'll follow to your next
step to see how beter it could be!!! :thumbsup:

Cheers (

04 April 2005, 10:14 AM
i personaly liked the blind pilgrim walking with faith better, but dont get me wrong, it didnt stop my jaw from hitting the floor when i saw this, u sure know how to get the best out of painter, :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: my computer just cant hendle it :sad:

04 April 2005, 10:22 AM
always a very nice pic, very emotional. The lighting detail on the trees of the background is very nice. Good work

04 April 2005, 11:01 AM
Wow! great lightning, great color, great composition! Excellent! I really like the new character aswell.

04 April 2005, 11:04 AM
Argh... seriously stunning. One of the nicest backgrounds I've seen for a good long while, not to mention the very innovative fella in the front. I think that in some parts, there might be a little too much contrast and things going on in the back - like I said, the background is gorgeous but it's really taking attention away fromthe guy in the foreground (maybe this, however, is intentional - if so, nevermind me)

Lovely, either way :}

04 April 2005, 11:45 AM
u r almost there pal~superb stuff.!love the overall feeling of it

04 April 2005, 12:23 PM

Very good to advance on your painting, your clouds,
Mummhh! too much cool. :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 12:50 PM
Your color is amazing! I never did care for the Monk before, now I love it!!! Amazing detail, color, composition, etc, etc!!!

04 April 2005, 01:00 PM
awwww....'re good...just too good:banghead:

04 April 2005, 01:04 PM
Woah!..Have you done enough painting!!?:scream: The new pose on the central figure is much more interesting. I love how this is coming together! How long do you spend painting each day?

(If I spend half as long as you, I should DEFINATELY be able to finish mine!)

Great work!


04 April 2005, 04:51 PM
listen thanks for the comment you have given me the best info so far.the composition is really kicing my ass but i'll try at it again, any way your thread is looking good i like the idea the only thing is maybe the anatomy on the guy like his neck size and his hands may be a bit chubby ,fingers need more definiton .Although that may be minor to most is still a good thing to strenghten the basic form

04 April 2005, 04:53 PM
that is awsome, no crits... youve made this work great!

04 April 2005, 04:54 PM
OMG!! YOu nailed it my friend, you nailed it!!! THe relationship is perfect, and the funny thing is, there are only very subtle adjustments that have been made but they have done all the difference. I am very very impressed with your work. Keep it up!! :)

04 April 2005, 04:57 PM
Thanks everyone, your comments are an inspiration :)

Enayla - yes, it's a busy picture about to get busier! I know what you mean about the background and foreground competing. I may add some more stuff up-front. Thanks for dropping by.

mack72 - How long do I spend? Not as long as I should, to be honest. I reckon I've spent 15 - 20hrs on this so far. Hopefully not long left, though.

04 April 2005, 05:02 PM
Whoa, can't keep up :) ... thanks eupee & Airborn

Lynch - yep, you're right. I've already altered the hands to a sort of cliched thumb-against-forefinger set-up. I'll post it later although I don't know if it's any better. And the neck... I just like monks with thick necks. Actually, I'll reprhase that. I like painting monks with thick necks. Don't know why :D

04 April 2005, 05:15 PM
This is by far one of my fav. Looking great dude!

04 April 2005, 05:36 PM
Looking good Simon - It's definitely getting harder to criticise! (Not that it's that easy anyway!...)

As for those troublesome pigs - Maybe you could turn them into Bacon and Sausages - then the guy can have a full English breakfast when he's done meditating! :D

04 April 2005, 08:50 PM (

Trying a few things. Had a go at adding to the story. The guy puts on his bird mask and meditates, sending his soul into the eagle which soars above and communes with his god. The flamingos... well, I just thought he looked a bit like one, what with his staff and all. They're pretty thoughtful birds, you know. Erm... Needs a lot of neatening up, haven't really added the detail yet, just seeing if I like it. Oh aye, thought he should have some shoes and a bag of some description.

04 April 2005, 08:54 PM
XIA - thanks!

Mythmaker - those pigs are history already. Flamingos are much nicer (though you can't make particularly good sausages from them)

04 April 2005, 10:01 PM
Oooh! Swanky!... but don't you think Enayla will be pissed when she finds out some hippie's run off with her mask?! ;)

04 April 2005, 11:12 PM
How does one DARE to contradict Enayla's point of view... as her work is otherwordly beautiful and her conceptualizations always brilliant. That being said, my humble opinion is that the background in this image IS integral to the whole idea of the piece. To merely "suggest" the majesty that your character is surrounded by and "at one" with, would lose the purpose of his communing with nature posture. (could I have BEEN any more pretentious with that last sentence?) Being a nature photographer, I think the atmospheric effects are really nailed and work well at adequetely subduing the background.

Love the pose and look of the new guy. He goes a long way in telling your story and is much more dynamic and spiritual looking.

I think all the new additions look great... (hmmm, who woulda thought flamingos could look so stately and elegant and not like tacky lawn ornaments.) Have you put some of these elements on new layers?

Really enjoying watching your process and progress.


04 April 2005, 11:27 PM
that is a damn solid piece of art! question....
why coloring wip??? ;)

04 April 2005, 12:47 AM
It just gets better everytime I drop in to see it, from thumbnail to the details, it's all there.

04 April 2005, 02:53 AM
That scenery is just amazing! I love it :)

04 April 2005, 07:47 AM
Awsome, really awsome so far dude.

04 April 2005, 08:01 AM
This is looking fantastic!

I much prefer the floaty guy. It gives him mystic qualities that really fit with the theme.

And the scenery is just amazing. Really beautifully painted. The atmospherics look so natural. The only bit i'm not 100% convinced about is the position of the 'God' head and the clouds around it. There'll all painted well... but with the position of the hands, i feel like the head is a bit too far to the right and at slightly the wrong angle. It'd be nice to have some more transparency in the edges of the clouds too. Just a couple of my observations... i might be wrong... but thought i'd say...

It's a great piece of work....

04 April 2005, 10:44 AM
Great feedback, everyone, thanks!

Mythmaker :D Er... they have his and her's masks, it's one of a pair. Erm... I'll get me coat

MrWorks - thanks for the kind words. Everyone has their different views, so there's no disagreement, just seeing with new eyes. That's what's helped me so much in getting the piece to this stage. And the flamingos - no, I don't use layers (unless it's at the very early positioning stage). This means that when I make mistakes or change something - which I often do - I just splodge over the original with a Big Square Brush and paint it all again!

Goro - Cheers. I've put it under colouring WIP because really all my work is colouring. I don't normally do linart so it's simple refinement of the colours I put down on day one.

SteveV, Evil Gerbil, taz23 - :D

duddlebug - Good point about the head. I already moved it a little to the left several stages ago but you're right, it's still a bit skewed - or at least, off centre. I'll see what I can do with that. Thanks for bringing it up.

04 April 2005, 11:43 AM
Yo Baron!

I'm really in love with your flamingos. Wanna sell any? Leaving out the pigs (I never even saw any) was a great decision at least others said so lol! I agree with Duddlebug about the head, cause if that's one body, then either the hand behind the tree is out of place or the head is in an awkward position, but a mountain can afford to be as twisted as it wants to be, it's just natures way, y know...

thumbs up

04 April 2005, 12:00 PM
stunning work! oh man...the bird. :thumbsup:

hmm....but somehow youīve lost some scale because for me the flamingos are to big in scale compare to the trees behind them and the distance between the person. They must be much smaller.

btw: I also hate using thousands of layers but I often just duplicate the whole image and detail it. In case I mess something up I just have to erase it and the back-part is there again. At least you work with two layers and can watch the progress better by clicking the layer on/off. If you are pleased with the step just drop it and duplicate it and continue working on the duplicated image. just my two cents


04 April 2005, 12:26 PM
this is excellent... the character meditating is so muc better than when he was walking. he feels like he is in the scene now... still saying that, i do not feel that this image gives off master and servant feel as such . . . it is suturnly ominous with the moutain behind and the sheer power of nature, etc but with him meditating it just seems like the man is more powerful than the moutain . . . Like he is ignoring a kid throwign a temper tantrum, rising above it... just a thought.

but otherwise this is great.

04 April 2005, 01:49 PM
Thanks for the comments, everyone :)

Adamos - I've altered the head now and I reckon it looks much better. I'll post it later on.

Fahrija - I see about the layers. The reason I don't normally use them is that I find the process of scrubbing out mistakes and redrawing the surrounds tends to produce a more painterly feel. Then again, not everyone wants that so I agree layers are very helpful.

W!L - The changes I've made hopefully make the mountain a little more imposing, as the god is looking more towards the viewer. Maybe this will help. As I say, I'll post it later.

04 April 2005, 01:59 PM
Holy ****. When and how did you do this?!!??!! That is ****ing awesome. I always felt the dude was holding you back, and you come along and change it up like that. The new guy looks absolutley fantastic and gives the scene so much more force. I love the flamingos too. The only problem i have is the bird mask. Reminds me of Linda's works. She uses those masks a lot. maybe you could concept up some kind of more mayan looking mask? He looks like a cross between Navaho and Mayan, so maybe it would work? But I do love it Baron, I think you have a winner here.

04 April 2005, 08:30 PM (

Not much of an update this time, but I've repainted the god's head (thanks for mentioning that, duddlebug) and stuck a few feathers in the dude's mask (cheers, Gamoron). Didn't have chance to start on the detail (i.e. the stuff that's really messy but you can't see at this size) but will do soon. Thanks for looking.

04 April 2005, 08:52 PM
i think its crap cos i'm jelous.


edit: how long do ur work on this per day?,cos it looks nearly complete.

04 April 2005, 09:01 PM
Noob - :) To answer you question, I don't work very long, really. Today I did about 2hrs, although on a weekend I'll try for 4 - 6hrs. If I leave all the elements as they are, I reckon another 4 or 5hrs should have it finished.

04 April 2005, 09:03 PM
wow, this is simply brilliant! the way the rock looks like his hands! i love it!

04 April 2005, 09:41 PM
Hey man, just wanted to let you know I've been following this for quite awhile. I've enjoyed your backgrounds for quite awhile now and it was fun getting to watch this one form. Stunning rockery and a definately cool concept.

Out of all of the projects here I think this rates as one of my favorites so far.

And completely unrelated: Is that a new avatar you're sporting? Very neat.

04 April 2005, 09:47 PM
Mordalles - thanks!

Yrindale - Cheers, glad you like it. And yes, it's a new avatar from an old painting called "standing stones" :)

THE Wizard
04 April 2005, 10:18 PM
Sweet!! Beautiful COLORING.... Great job!!!

04 April 2005, 11:08 PM
everyone is changing the avatars here! :)

not that i would tell you something new... but your work is really stunning...
*waiting on that deadly boring 50 page-tutorial*

hmmm.. if you donīt mind, one thought: the flammingos seem to be a bit too huge.. the rest is perfect! keep it up!

04 April 2005, 01:28 AM
your coloring skill is great! it's like a great piece of fine art! , for me I think the feather on man head's color is a bit too saturate but it's not much , good luck!

04 April 2005, 01:32 AM
Hi Baron, thought i'd get over quick smart and post before you finish this piece in the next hour or so. I poped over a few days ago and 'BAM' you changed your composition. And might I say ,this looks AWESOME ! I loved it before, but now...Wow .
You see the thing about your piece to me is the landscape. it's just that I still struggle with landscapes, and when I see people do it with such ease I really am impressed. I think your Shaman dude fits beautifuly into the composition as well. Those flammingos are also a very nice touch indeed.
Can't wait to see this finished,

04 April 2005, 01:40 AM
Hi Baron,

Things are looking pretty active here.

I know these are fine tuning details. But the mask and the medalian realy lack the humble hand-madness. I wm sure that you would clean it out later on but the mask especially looks like the top quality turn of the century Venetian paper-machť masks that were made for the carnavals. too perfect... I hope you can get my point.

The second thing that I am not too sure about is the staff. I pressume you had him 'stab' it into the ground to stay... But it just doesn't look right there. Maybe if you would prefer to lay it down with the rest of the stuff, or if you would lean it by the tree or something.

The over all image is going really good.. as everyone has already pointed out; this is an outstanding entry.
Keep it up!


04 April 2005, 01:43 AM
What a wonderful sense of scale in this image. Great detail as well.

Nice work so far!


04 April 2005, 05:53 AM
WOW... great work!! :applause: :applause:

04 April 2005, 06:17 AM
It's brilliant deffinatly one of the best !!! It's master quality work like something I would see on a book cover so you deffinatly hit the mark .

04 April 2005, 07:11 AM
There is a very nice austere serenity presented by this scene. The master/servant influence is subtle but I like how that works in this scene. It reminds me of the kinds of sensations a puny human should feel when faced with the scale of his place on this planet. Very nice!

04 April 2005, 10:10 AM
I'm speechless

Great amazing


One of my favourites

Good luck

04 April 2005, 11:51 AM
Thanks for the feedback and comments, everyone.

THE Wizard, cgkrusty, olya, dloots - Cheers! :)

dunkelgold - Thanks. Yes, the flamingos are big but I think I'll leave them like that. They're super flamingos and they only live in that one valley.

monsitj - Thanks for commenting. My very last stage will be to slightly adjust the colours, so I may desat the feathers slightly then. But I'm not sure, I quite like the splash of colour. We'll see.

Tariq12 - Thanks a lot :) I look like finishing it a bit early, but at least that will give me time to step back and then look at it with fresh eyes before the submission date. Glad you like it.

BlackDidThis - Thanks for the comments. I see what you mean about the mask, and I did try painting a full-face, carved ceremonial-type bird mask but it was too dark and he just ended up looking like a monster. I'll think about other options. The staff - I think I'm going to keep that because it serves two purposes - It anchors the guy in the foreground by passing down behind him and also it provides a parallel between him and the flamingos which are standing "meditating" on one leg. I appreciate the suggestions though.

pogonip - Cheers :D Book cover, eh? One day, I hope, one day.

Russell_Collins - Thanks, I'm glad you get something from this, it's my aim to make people think about more than just the brushstrokes! :D

04 April 2005, 12:33 PM

04 April 2005, 04:00 PM
that's excellent the new character is sooooo much cooler now :)

What a great piece ! I have to say that I like the god's head before... It was more interesting more aerial... I think.

You use light so nicely it seems to be very easy with you

04 April 2005, 04:15 PM
awww shucks, I really liked your old monk, with his fuzzy hair., he seemed more... ordinary somehow, which I liked in contrast to the godly mountain figure. But in the scheme of the picture, this guy tells more of a story, you can place his character more easily. He does make you look and see the god-face in the mountain, which is defintely improved. Not sure I like the mask, it makes him rather impersonal, but that's purely a personal point of view, so ignore it at your leisure. And this piece still make me sigh in envy.

04 April 2005, 05:50 PM
calisto - :D

bonestudio - thanks. It's only landscapes that I find easy. Everything else is difficult as hell!

Zepyhri - I know, but that old monk had to go. At least it was painless. Thanks for commenting!

04 April 2005, 06:24 PM
At least it was painless


well I say if u got troubles painting other stuff
than landscapes it sure won't show:thumbsup:

I see you're changing avatars too...hmm...

04 April 2005, 07:47 PM (

A bigger version. Not much added, just tidying up, really. I'm going to leave it a week or two before coming back to it and doing the final detail, so I can get a better perspective. There's only so many times you can flip the damn thing and stay sane. But in the meantime all comments and crits welcome and thanks to everyone for your support - you've all made this pic 10X better than it would have been otherwise.

04 April 2005, 07:53 PM
Squibbit - Thanks for dropping by :)

BTW - I just noticed the image looks a bit grainy in my last post, that's cos the forum has resized it, it's not really that pixelly.

04 April 2005, 08:11 PM
wow! Your work has progressed very well, I love the idea of the mountain as a master, looking down across his land, brilliant composition. I would be happy if my work was half as good as yours :s

04 April 2005, 09:20 PM
Simon, this is just wonderful! All those tiny details spread over your image, really make it enjoyable and lasting to watch. Three suggestions:

1. This isn't really a suggestion, but more an opinion. The "master's" face was better before. He looks to human/personal now, like something out of Mount Rushmore (don't take this the wrong way, I think your image rocks...I would just like to help your improve). I think it is mainly because of his nose. It looks too characteristic.

2. The eagle in the background somehow shrinks the scale of the master's head. Perhaps instead of one eagle, you could have various smaller eagles (almost like dots), to really size up the mountain in the background.

3. The servant's right arm is too long.

Keep 'em comin'

04 April 2005, 09:28 PM
Well well well Mr. Impossible, this really is an outstanding piece of work. A brilliant concept that you've executed with some aplomb. The composition works well, leading the eye in then allowing you to explore the hidden details.

My only crit (and it is a minor one), I agree with another post here, the face chisseled into the rockface doesn't sit as well as it did earlier. The previous version worked through its subtlety, i find the alteration made undermines this and it becomes too apparent on a first look. Its the ethereal quality you had when it protruded through the clouds that i liked, as opposed to the newer version which appears "framed" by the clouds.

Still, thats only an opinion. Other than that...the jobs a good 'un :)

04 April 2005, 09:29 PM
kpbelsha - Thanks for the comments

andreasrocha - Cheers, glad you like it. To take your points ~
1) I know, I know :) His head has been alternating between looking just like a mountain and looking like Mt Rushmore! I altered it to be more central but in repainting it appears to be tending towards Mt Rushmore again. Doh!
2) Hmm, I see what you mean. Trouble is, I can't really add more eagles because the eagle represents the servant's soul, up there communing with his god. Maybe if I darkened it slightly? Or maybe putting a shed-load more detail onto the head would do the trick...? I'll give it some thought.
3) OK, I must admit I don't see that. This is why I think I need to step back for a week or so then look at it again. Perhaps it's how I've arranged his robe. Not sure.
Thanks again, it's comments like these that really force me to think and improve :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 09:30 PM
bumphluff - Thanks for that. Yes, I will be working on the head :)

04 April 2005, 10:27 PM
WAAH! SLAP ME IN THE FACE AND CALL ME A HAMSTER! Your pic is turning out great! it was a good idea to make the follower float and meditate instead of just standing there, i think it adds sense of peace... Love all the details too, and the composition is just beautiful!
Keep it up, and make a good finish! G'luck!:scream:

04 April 2005, 10:38 PM
Well... I gotta say I'm really pleased with how you've been fine tuning this piece. I love the fact that the dude is levetating! Soooo mystical! Technically, this piece has it all... great colours too. You gotta be near the end now, yes?

Will keep checkin' back for updates. Cheers!

04 April 2005, 06:09 AM
I really wanted to give some helpful critiques on this piece, but at this point I don't have anything to's looking really great! I love how his god is made from the mountains, that's just fantastic. When I saw the small version I thought he was formed out of the clouds which was a pretty cool idea, but I think it works so much better this way...makes him that much more substantial. Look forward to seeing this piece develop!

04 April 2005, 06:34 AM
I have been watching this piece from the beginning, and will kepp doing so 'till the end.
Just gorgeous, such intimidating feeling from the mountain, one of the best perspectives...The shaman is looking great...What attracts me though is the colour pallette, very rich and sublime...

04 April 2005, 11:55 AM
ogar555, artjunkie, jowens, cha0t1c1 - Thanks! :)

Next update in a week or so. Going to take a break from it. After all, I don't think there's a prize for finishing first :D

04 April 2005, 01:08 PM
man this is it, the mask on the guys face is dead on perfect, superb work man:thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 02:58 PM
have to agree the mask is the key...looks great now :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 04:00 PM
Wow. I must say that the is probably one of the most orginal ideas i have seen yet. You can look at it many ways you can look at it as well, aside from what was orginally thought of. The landscape is great, you def have my vote. nice job.

04 April 2005, 04:37 PM
The image has evolved a long way...

And it looks fantastic!

You could actually just give it in as it is. But I think you are doing the wisest so as to leave it to some time for now. (And give us a chance to sort of catch up!! :) )

Nothing much to say but good luck, and I wonder what changes you would have in mind.


04 April 2005, 06:25 PM
You have a wonderful painterly piece. It has that alla prima immediacy that is soooo hard to get and even harder to maintain.


You could add this, that or the other but I honestly think it doesn't need it. Put the piece away until the week before it's due. Then look at it with a fresh eye.

If you feel the need to paint, enter the contest again!!

04 April 2005, 06:38 PM
Hi Simon, I'm inclined to agree with cloudmover and t'others... don't overwork it! It's outstanding at the moment, and I love it! Don't do a George Lucas... Haha! Great piece of work! :D

04 April 2005, 06:44 PM
nebezial, oro, illOgic, BlackDidThis - thanks, your words are much appreciated, Poshspice - I've taken note of your comments. I will be leaving it a while before I look at it again, and only if I spot any obvious faults will I change it. Otherwise it's just a case of tidying some rough edges and submitting it. I actually have to really plan the final TIF submission because to get a fast enough connection I need to travel 50 miles! - my home connection won't hack it and my work doesn't allow FTP :D

04 April 2005, 06:51 PM
Wow. Wonder why I did not notice this one before, It looks Great!

04 April 2005, 03:02 PM
Now, i haven't seen all pics on this challenge but... i'm willing to bet that this will place among the top 5! AT LEAST! Gimme a cookie if it turns out i'm right! :P

04 April 2005, 04:10 PM
I really like your painting in the final result! Very good skills in painting! GG! :applause:

04 April 2005, 05:39 PM
Lady Medusa, k33d - Thanks for your comments :)

ogar555 - I hope you're right! If you are, I might even run to a full packet :D

04 April 2005, 05:48 PM
I like the face in the clouds. Very cool!

I don't know about the mountains below though. I can't paint but you can, so I'd suggest making them more hard edged, at that slop it would be a sand pile or a very hard solid rock with a lot of cracks, especially in a warm environment where flamingo's live. Just what I think though.

04 April 2005, 11:37 PM
The background is just looking more gorgeous with each update. I also like how the details on the man are turning out, the mask was a nice touch.
The top of the mountain looks kind of like a face...was that intentional?

04 April 2005, 01:01 AM
Very nice work!


04 April 2005, 07:26 PM
so far the most interesting entry.
you allready got my vote for sure ;)

04 April 2005, 07:29 PM
utter brilliance.

extraordinary fabulous extravagent studpendous amazing piece of excellence.

yeh...that about sums up me hah

ur painiting is ok i guess....


u know u got my vote too.