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03 March 2005, 04:02 PM
Valentina Rosalia D'Este has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

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I adjusted the brightness, the curves and the levels. and added a little finishing tutch :).

03 March 2005, 07:36 PM (

This is the basic idea sketch.
I usually start all my artwork whit some scetchy lines to see if the idea works virually well. This is one of the things I spend the most time playing whit.
I started whit closer shot, but it felt "empty" so I re-made it whit a different angle and a little more far away. I was still "empty" and dull, so I added some action (being the boats and fairie-hunters).
I got a story for it all worked out, but it might get some changes, so I'll just keep it silent for a moment.

I'm a little un-shure about composition tho'

03 March 2005, 09:54 PM
good concept. I wait the next skretch. Good luck:thumbsup:

03 March 2005, 10:28 PM
looking good,keep at it!

03 March 2005, 11:54 AM (

I was un-happy whit the position and pose of the Bardic fairie (the master) so I moved her a little bit and changed her pose.
I added the colors to see if the colors would fit together, and so far it seems good

03 March 2005, 02:24 PM (

Clothing design! This is one of the parts I like the most.
I wanted to make her dress look a little like an old venezian dress.
I used the portrait of Beatrice d'Este by Leonardo da Vinci as reference.

03 March 2005, 06:54 PM
As my old sister is horrible with words I'll stepp in to do some talking. :)

I used the portrait of Beatrice d'Este by Leonardo da Vinci as reference
Not only that, the dress is mainly based uppon the style used in Beatrice's dress, but it's primarly based on the stye that was considered beautifull under that period.
Lines like that were great on noble dressed, but we found her front to be emty so a corsette was putt on.
As is visible, the design scetch is so ruff it's not even funny! :)
Basically she was just trying to get the dress right, she was also trying to get more desaturated "deeper" feel colorwhise, she's aiming from some colours that'll give a harmy like Linda Bergkvist's wonderfull art manage to express, deep and intense.
Falure is sort of obvious right at the moment as she's used to making pictures with less intensety and more saturated colours.
Linda goes with the name Enayla and her entry can be found here:
Enayla's Entry (
She's just as talented as Leonardo Da Vinci in my oppinoin.

I might pose as some of the faries, what could be turned into a funny issue for me atleast.

The bardic fairie is being drawn on the picture at the moment, same with the sky, so far I think that it is my sisers best work. No big deal as she's a horrible artist :D
The problem right now is that everything is happening at the same time, people visiting and stuff so she ain't got much time to work on it, so she get like 10 min now, 20 min later, and the first few moments is used to load the picture as she's seriously a layer whore, no dubd about it :) she's using 6 layers just for the seccond posted picture in this gallery. 10 min just isn't enugh to even start with intense working I think.

03 March 2005, 12:30 PM (

Sorry, I messed up a bit, so I'm posting the other ideas I had before I desided to go whit the "Fairies Under Attack" instead.

03 March 2005, 01:29 PM (

Here the idea was to have the fairy commanding the beast as a pet. She walking on the gound and he is following. The idea lacked action and emotion.

03 March 2005, 01:59 PM (

Usually I use the consept sketch as my "line art". For me cleaning up the lines would just take up to mutch time. I like the lines sketchy and a bit messy, they kind of tell me more than "clean" lines.

03 March 2005, 02:50 PM (

I started to roughfly add shading and some clouds. The pose of the fairy has yet again changed a bit. This time I used a picture of me posing as referance. I also used a little referance from a picture of some clouds and the moon, taken from my brother.
Some times I use Google to find referance images, but since my brother likes to take images of the sky, I usually use his images.
When I use a picture as referance, I don\'t copy the image, it\'s just to help me to generally understand how the object is made and sometimes how it reacts whit lights and casts shadow.

03 March 2005, 10:03 PM

keep up the good work!
about the composition, I didn´t find the faerie at first sight, and I think that would be important, I feel her to be far away from the other elements.
What do you think?

And of course you´re using references, not copying them. Everybody uses references.

03 March 2005, 09:50 AM
Great concept, Medusa!

Good luck!:thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 08:59 AM (

Usually I start on the backround, but this time I feel the persons should be done first.
Her "crown" will be moved down a bit, and her wings will turn transparent.
I started shading the dress whit a soft brush and "textured" it at the same time. On the skin and the cloth on her arms I start whit a harder brush.

04 April 2005, 09:21 AM

keep up the good work!
about the composition, I didn´t find the faerie at first sight, and I think that would be important, I feel her to be far away from the other elements.
What do you think?

And of course you´re using references, not copying them. Everybody uses references.
hmm, you say something there, maby she is a little too far away. I'll try finishing her at that place first, as she will be glowing a little, but maby she'll have to be moved a little.

As for the references... well, I had visitors and wasn't thinking clarly.

Great concept, Medusa!

Good luck!:thumbsup:
Thank you :)

04 April 2005, 03:24 PM (

I smudged and painted the skin, and gave her hair and make up. I also gave her a mandolin. As it's a little reflective, I'll finish it after the backround.

04 April 2005, 01:57 PM (

From here on, I dont usually follow any pattern. I color a little here and a little there. I\'m in doubt if the beast should be wrinkled or not in his face.

04 April 2005, 02:01 PM
oh, great... seems like there is an error on that file :sad:
Its neither green-ish nor is it inverted..
Its more yellow-ish.

04 April 2005, 02:13 PM (

The other file messed up, I'm just to get the right colors, so it would be more correct if anyone comments.

04 April 2005, 01:34 PM
I was looking at your picture yesterday, thinking there was something odd about it but I couldn't figure out what it was. Then - way in the middle of the night - it struck me: there's no moonlight!

The moon should be lighting the characters from behind even when your main light is in front of them. The black outline on the creature's back, for instance, should be blue or yellow-ish white.

Your main light seems to be coming from the front and below - are the humans in the boats carrying torches?

A little touch up on the lights and shadows of the image would work wonders, I think. Just my 2 cents...:)

edit - Oh, great outfit!

04 April 2005, 01:45 PM
Thanks for commenting
Yeah you're right about that moonlight-thing.. I totally forgot it, thanks for reminding me about it. :)
The main light is coming from some sort of lamps attatched to the human's boats. I'm acctually working on them right now

04 April 2005, 03:21 PM (

I desided to go for the wrinkled face. Hes eyes were looking rather dull, so enchanted them a little and then I smothened his body and sharpened the edges. I also added the moon-light that I had forgotten, but someone reminded me about.
I'm going to put a human on his shoulder.

04 April 2005, 04:04 PM
¨dette skjer skikkelig skummelt ut! klarer ikke stirre lenge nok i de øynene.. de går liksom gjennom deg :)
stilig bilde så lang. liker denne kontrasten med en så liten skapning kan bestemme over noe så stort.

takk for kommentar i tråden min :D

04 April 2005, 05:44 PM
dunno bout what da guy said, but yeah.

Some nice sketches here, especially the girl with the lute. Keep going!:)

04 April 2005, 04:37 PM (

I added another city in the mountain and made a little reflection in the sea.
The sea was too dark and messy so I cleaned that up a little. I've also put a man on the beast's shoulder. He was the beasts original master, before the fairie made the beast her servant.

04 April 2005, 04:41 PM
Thanks for the comments, mateys :)

04 April 2005, 10:46 PM
Hi Lady Medusa

your picture is mesmerising:eek: The beast is really terrifying.:thumbsup:

About the faerie, maybe you can flip her.
She seems to run far away from the monster instead of mastering it.
Adding some kind of magical musical bound would help ?
Maybe the man on its shoulder shouldn't be staying straight, but falling to the sea ?

Anyhow I like your gouache painting style:thumbsup:

Keep it up !

04 April 2005, 07:24 AM
Thanks for the comment :)

The beast is following the fairie's music, kind of like the guy whit the flute and the rats, just that she does not whant to kill the beast.
The magical bound sound neat, I'll try it :)
About the man... Sounds funny, but then there would not be any human in the master and servant relationship. I'm a little in doubt if he shoul be the master of the humans, the master of the fairies or just the former master of the beast. But I think I will let him sit instead of stand.

04 April 2005, 02:48 PM
i think the faerie is a humanoid class character but im not 100% :D like where u goin wit dis waiting to c ur progress this all has an eerie feeling to it which is great when dealing with faeries good stuff

04 April 2005, 10:06 PM (

Adding detail on the moon :)

04 April 2005, 09:37 PM
ooh! the moon looks so stunning:thumbsup: .

04 April 2005, 10:05 PM

this is looking good. :thumbsup:
the moster is horrifying, great design! :bounce:
Just a suggestion: why don´t you try to give the sky a blueish tone, I think it might work, the black is a color that doesn´t really put a mood or give color contrast. May be you´re thinking about something for the sky already and I´m talking too much.
Keep up working!

04 April 2005, 03:09 PM
Mordalles - Thank you

bealobo - Thank you, seems like pretty mutch everyone liked the beast :)
Youre right about the clouds, they do look beter more bueish, thanks again

I might have to do another consept instead tho'. That kind of killed the motivation for working on this one a little. On the other hand, I don't really whant to start on the new one before it is confirmed that I have to.

04 April 2005, 07:22 AM (

The Little fairie is the master and the man is the servant. He gives her food, drinks and clothes.

04 April 2005, 07:56 AM (

I usually don\'t make line art or clean up the sketch, but I do this on hard objects, I this case the bockshelf, the floor and the windows, to make shure that they aren\'t making a complete mess, and that they look more like they should look like.

04 April 2005, 10:00 AM (

Color test.
I'm not shure if thees colors are the final colors, but I'm shure about the pillow being red whit gold-like borders and I whant her to hold a green grape. for the rest, I'm not really shure.

04 April 2005, 04:16 PM (

Sketching the colors on.
I also changed the boockshelf into what you now see.
I'm sill not that certian about the walls and about the man's clotes.

04 April 2005, 11:18 AM (

I move them outside for a little test.

04 April 2005, 11:19 AM
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04 April 2005, 01:30 PM (

I change the subject, yet again, for now.
I got a dragon whit a human servant this time. The dragon is pointing at a bone that irritates him.
I usually sketch people whiout clothes in case I change them afterwards.

04 April 2005, 04:40 PM (

I make some modifications to the backround so it fits better to the story I got for the picture.

04 April 2005, 12:23 AM
This looks good, but I think that if you place the horizon lines further apart it would look more dramatic. because the shore line seems very long. Nice dragon, he looks really cool.:thumbsup:

Oh yeah, making the human a bit larger would make him more visible. Keep 'em coming!

04 April 2005, 01:28 PM (

I start on its tail and work myself to the face. I like to have the eyes on early so I get a bit more feel of the person. On the sketch they usually appear wild/desperate or angry, and that is not what I'm after. So I make an eye, but I know that I'll return to it once I'm finished whit the stage I'm on now (before adding texture and minor details like warts and scars).

04 April 2005, 02:04 PM
Oi, thanks for the comment sir. Boekestein.
I'm not really shure what you mean when you say "place the horizon lines further apart", but if I'm not wrong you mean that I should move the black line or the sand, and rest of the terrain, further down?

04 April 2005, 02:14 PM
I'n sorry for that, it was rather late actually:rolleyes:.

I meant could place the horizon disappearing points where you trac the lines to further apart. Since there aren't any other distinguishable marks on a line I presumed you'd understand and I could crash my sluggish head in a pillow. :blush: hih

04 April 2005, 02:30 PM
I'n sorry for that, it was rather late actually:rolleyes:.

I meant could place the horizon disappearing points where you trac the lines to further apart. Since there aren't any other distinguishable marks on a line I presumed you'd understand and I could crash my sluggish head in a pillow. :blush: hih
Don't worry, mate, I've just recently started to use those (I have not gone to any art shool :(, I relly whanted to, but too many whanted to aswell... ), I only learned a little about it in a tutorial.

By the way, Nice new avie.

04 April 2005, 03:00 PM
I like the dragon. *_*

04 April 2005, 06:27 PM (

I flip the image to check for errors continously.
The human was a little disturbing so I hided the layer he's on. I also modified the water a little and colored more of the dragon. His theeth were not shaped as I wanted and they became all messed up wile coloring, so I had to remove them.

04 April 2005, 06:39 PM
Well, here's a little extra for you then. Have you noticed how things seem to flatten and get smaller as they get further away from you? They start to point(become parallel) along with the horizon and the difference between perceived angles is a lot more obvious up close, as son as their behind it(beyond parallel they're invisible.

You just ran out of desktop space to place your points. Try widening the area or zooming out temporarily. And thank you, I like the movie, it's suits my frenzic behavior.

edit: ow, I forgot to point out that we can see the pink inside of his mouth so we must be relatively close by, at least not using a 1000mm lens, and his head is really huge which makes him seem to be really big or just very close. Hope this helps you understand what I'm suggesting.

04 April 2005, 03:26 PM
your new idea is great too. i like this so far :)

04 April 2005, 10:31 PM

I haven´t come around in a couple of days, and look at this!
I think like this new concept more than the other one, I think it´s more readable, fresh and funny, and the dragon is looking really good.

:thumbsup: great great great

04 April 2005, 02:18 PM (

I fix an error on the mouth, and continue on.
I'm not shure of the eyecolor, so I try out purple

04 April 2005, 03:32 PM
argh, I was a bit distacted, mixing verbs

Kristina: Thank you :D
Jan-Mark: You made it clarer for me, thanks :)
and yeah, we are pretty close.
Egil: Thank you
Beatriz: Thank you, I love making drangons

04 April 2005, 09:00 AM (

This is what I have in mind for the servant. Just a comic-ish sketch.

04 April 2005, 11:57 AM (

I changed the mans pose.
The dragon looked better whit green eyes, but I might change them again.
The closeup is 100%

04 April 2005, 06:30 PM (

I made the man ready for the next step aswell. Then I gave the dragon some theeth and claws, I got them on a different layer, as they will get in the way later.

04 April 2005, 06:32 PM
liker stilen din på tjeneren.. morsom og håpløs :)

04 April 2005, 08:37 AM (

I added a tent. The santbump or montain in the far back in going to cange a bit. The person standing next to the tent in to show size differense and distance, and will be deleted once I color the sand.

04 April 2005, 11:31 AM (

I shaded the teeth and put in some salad and meat pices, and a bone.

04 April 2005, 06:40 PM (

I added the the detail in the gingiva. I used several pictures of animals and a few humans yawning.

04 April 2005, 09:17 PM
Hello Lady Medusa
your actual work makes me think of De Chirico paintings.
It is very refreshing :thumbsup: (OK the story takes place in the desert :D...)
Do you work as illustrator for chidren book ? If no, you absoluty should try :thumbsup: I think you may have success with it.

Keep going on

04 April 2005, 09:56 PM
Thank you.
Do you work as illustrator for chidren book ? If no, you absoluty should try :thumbsup: I think you may have success with it.
That would be great, I think I might try it out if I could find someone searching :)

04 April 2005, 10:43 PM
wow! this is going really good
when I saw the character inside the dragon´s mouth I thought on this, it´s a little idea:
his hands are around the fang, and he has a brush on one of the hands, like he´s resting after cleaning the big canine tooth.

I like the style and the mood you´re giving to the drawing.

04 April 2005, 10:59 PM
Good idea mate. I'll try it out :D

04 April 2005, 05:16 PM
It looks really cool LadyMedusa!!! :thumbsup:

He has a good point about childrens books. You have a very clearcut style.

I think the pink in the mouth might be a tad bit too bright though.:)

04 April 2005, 05:32 PM (

I added the shoes and the footsteps and gave the tent a door. Then I fixed the shadows and the gingiva (Thanks Jan Mark).
I also worked on the dragons skin.
I also made the servant look a little more tierd (Thanks Beatriz)

04 April 2005, 06:54 PM (

A little update :)
I fixed some of the shading and lighting.

04 April 2005, 07:51 AM
very funny, but if I may say:

you bg is incosistent with the details of your fg...what if you try some blocks of light clouds(just a couple)...and maybe some desert bushes...


05 May 2005, 04:21 PM
Heisann! :) Ah! dragons are so great :) I also did a concept based on dragons, though I had my human beeing the master. Some ideas I get from studying this:

Have you tried having the dragon looking at his servant, if you'd move his eye so that it would - it would emphatize on the subject. That is, that your dragon is really the master of your servant, symbolized by him looking down at his servant. I think also that you should render some "dragon shells" at his skin, to make a more intersting texture (I know! it's a hell of a job). Oh, and the straight line of his nose seems abit odd, perhaps you could try out some new silhouettes that are not that straight, defining his shape better?

Just some ideas, keep updating! :)

05 May 2005, 04:48 PM
ca0t1c1- thank you, it looks mutch more intresting now :) (will post update soon)

am7- I was thinking of giving the dragon more of a dry frog skin, will be a living hell anyway :argh:, so I'm saving that to the end. You're right about that eye, I'll try to move it. I'll definitly try to fix that nose!

I also noticed the odd way the human is holding that cloth-thingie - I'll fix that too

05 May 2005, 05:56 PM
always happy to help...

05 May 2005, 06:55 PM (

I gave the background more intresting look (thanks Mohannet), and worked on the foot-steps. I made the tent look a little older, and it will get even older.
Then I corrected the reflection of the sun in the water a little.

05 May 2005, 07:06 PM
Hm, another idea.. Have you tried cropping this to only picture the dragon and the servant? I mean without the tent and the background. The way you have it now, it's in "landscape" canvas format, correct? Well, I think you could try a change to a "portrait" canvas. Would improve you'r composition alot I imagine.

Keep it up!

05 May 2005, 09:42 PM
you think?
I whant to hear more opinions about this.

05 May 2005, 09:51 PM
i agree with am7.

This way you could add some little wings on the dragon's back and set the sun much higher. About the sun , not sure with the small yellow brush strokes aroun dit.
And beware of the dragon's lower jaw : i don't see a clear articulation, it seems lost in the body.

Keep going on :arteest:

05 May 2005, 10:19 PM (

I know little to nothing about composition, hehe. Some people suggeted to crop it more or less like this (I think), so I'm trying it.
What do you people think?

05 May 2005, 10:32 PM
Yep! seems better now, perhaps you could go even further and crop more of the left side.. not entirely sure about that. You could also try to draw thoose skies wrapping around the dragon, like they'r leading the eye towards the dragon and the servant.

05 May 2005, 11:02 PM
I dont think I'll crop it more. That will just take away the water, and its kind of an important part, as the servant has to co back and forth from the teeth to the water and from the water to the teeth...
I'm not really shure what you mean by
You could also try to draw thoose skies wrapping around the dragon, like they'r leading the eye towards the dragon and the servant. but I think I'll try it.

gah.. only 17 days left :argh:! I'm going to stay up and recover the time vasted on the tent and the footsteps, or atleast try

05 May 2005, 11:11 PM
It's wonderful :] I like the sheer size of the thing, and the fact that he doesn't seem quite vicious at all. I don't get the evil vibe off of this fella - and that's a good thing. In spite of all the claws and big fangs, he's got the nice, intelligent eyes of a big, fat cat who's just not into the biting and scratching thing.

Composition looks fine to me :] Maybe a little less 'black' in the front to the right, because my eyes shoot straight there due to the concentrated darkness that's lacking anywhere else in the piece. Can't wait to see this one finished :D

05 May 2005, 11:48 PM
I'm glad you see the non-evilness in him =), thats one of the things I wanted to get in him.

Composition looks fine to me :] Maybe a little less 'black' in the front to the right, because my eyes shoot straight there due to the concentrated darkness that's lacking anywhere else in the piece.
Are you talking about the landscape format or the portrait format now? I'm assuming that you ment portrait format since those two guys suggested it, but I feel I have to be shure about what you ment. Mistakes are easyly created you know.
(sorry, I'm terrible whit names. please don't feel bad for that guys.)
I'll definitly try to brighten up the darker areas :)

05 May 2005, 11:58 PM
Very nice and funny pic.
It looks like the dragon is saying: "Not that tooth sweatheart, it's this one."

One thing I noticed is that the footprints in the sand look raised instead of recessed.
The light is comming from the left, so if it's an indentation the recessed area (footprint) should have the shadow fading away to the right (towards the dragon). The opposite from what you have now.

I hope I did manage to make myself clear...
(I often speak double dutch :) )

05 May 2005, 12:12 AM
Hehe, Thats among the lines of what I think hes saying too

One thing I noticed is that the footprints in the sand look raised instead of recessed.
The light is comming from the left, so if it's an indentation the recessed area (footprint) should have the shadow fading away to the right (towards the dragon). The opposite from what you have now.
OOoo youre right about that! I'll fix that too :D

05 May 2005, 02:30 PM
I hope you have time to work the texture on the skin - it would look pretty cool!
Weird as it may sound, I actually like his teeth a lot! LOL! :)

05 May 2005, 09:26 PM
hey Valentina!
I like a lot the way is going! you´re doing a great job!
as a suggestion... the water to be more reflective maybe. Or maybe it´s not finished and I´m talking too much hehehhe


05 May 2005, 05:26 PM (

I fixed his back, and made the water more like water. I also started "texturing" his nose, thats most probably the part I hate the most painting reptile/amfibian-like creatures, alltho' I love making them by some odd reason.

05 May 2005, 05:29 PM
bah.. this is supposed to be entitled "The texturing on the nose" :(
Another update is coming, I just mixed theire titles..

05 May 2005, 05:48 PM (

The water, the eye and the man. I made a close image because bouth of theese elements tends to get a little problematic.
I have to say I'm rather happy whit the eye tho\\\' :).

05 May 2005, 03:33 AM
Hei! Veldig morsomt konsept. Det ser veldig bra ut så*langt.

05 May 2005, 03:49 AM's cool!:bounce: :thumbsup: i love it.
and hope to see a little bit more pieces of bone or corpse between the teeth.
wiil wait to c more

05 May 2005, 07:38 AM
Sonia - haha, glad you like the teeth :D. Texturing the skin wil be a hell of a job :dies:
bealobo - that would be great, but unfortunally I'm not really shure how to get that effekt. I don't know what elements acctually would reflect there.
Einar - Takk :)
xric7 - Thank you. Well, youre saying something there, I dont got anything stuck between or on any of the teeth in the upper jaw at all. I'll add more bones and salads :)

05 May 2005, 09:58 PM
I have no idea either on how to make that, I suppose you have to make big contrasts without gradients like with a glass, but really don´t know.
Anyway don´t worry too much because it looks good.

05 May 2005, 10:20 PM
Thank you miss :)

05 May 2005, 04:57 AM
Great progress. I like the funny concept:) I agree with others on the AR issue. Portrait aspect ratio will work better then landspace with your composition. Good luck.

05 May 2005, 11:29 AM
Thank you :)

05 May 2005, 01:01 PM
Hello valentina .. that’s is a awesome cool and extraordinary concept you got there ..
And also .. wow what cool kind of detail grade !!

Some Simple Review

Hum… how funny ! ( (

And the details they are starting to get very spicy .. ^.~ (

And also you got some very cool concept ideas ! ( ( ( ( ( ( (

heh .. How about to join all those ideas in one picture hum !?
i guess you got talent for much more hum !!

it was very nice and would make the overall of your work a loot more rich !

But its extraordinary your cool ideas really ..
keep it up !

Keep it up – you got talent lady !!

hh ..

cherrs !

05 May 2005, 01:09 PM
hey cool idea , the tooth cleaner.

the big bird with immense boobs always
mad me go :surprised

05 May 2005, 01:32 PM
Rubyworks - hmm.. that would make to mutch mess, I think. I tried to put in some vultures, but I felt that they ruined the image, so I left them out. I tried later whit a butterfly, but I figured it messed up aswell.
otherwise, I thank you for your kind words.

Sqibbit -

the big bird with immense boobs always
mad me go :surprised
:scream: Hahaha.. that made me crack up!
I was going to flatten them to make them more horse-like, but it always failed due to me lacking knowledge and skills.
But I am going to finish it one day. :) Now my knowledge in photoshop is far more expanded :)

05 May 2005, 01:49 PM
Rubyworks - hmm.. that would make to mutch mess, I think. I tried to put in some vultures, but I felt that they ruined the image, so I left them out. I tried later whit a butterfly, but I figured it messed up aswell.

otherwise, I thank you for your kind words.

Haaaa.. hum yea! Yup yup ! for sure !
And .. hum ?.. vultures . .. lol ..
Anyway some coconots and the rest of the paradisiacal beach and also far far far away .. in the sea scape.. some monster with some big boobs .. getting in trouble some aldeans .. in the while this .. self almost .. Huh ‘ hero ? .. is here doing some .. huh .. – some Homework we would say .. hehehehe

and .. and .. the only one that coul alert him of that .. well the fairy .. and well she’s instead is playing and singing and swinging around a coconot on one of those paradisiacal big trees just near our eye perspective .. Wow .. just imagine


Well there could be also almost hidden in the tree foliage a monkey in the tree trying to get her without her knowing !! ^^; ...

haa just forget about it ..

i'm a saucer for details .. and I’m way too much mental flyer .. and also my vote don’t count much in here .. as you already have a submission way to better tan mine .. in spite of both off us having the dragon idea .. ^^

WOW LAdy keep it UP !

Thanks for the kind reply ..
love ya !

05 May 2005, 10:19 PM
i like how your pic is turning out, but i just have an idea.

the river going down in the left corner sort of makes the whole image very chaotic. What if you go by the front, middle and background rule. I think the whole image could look more solid if you made the river go horizontally in front of the master and servant. Sorry i didnt say this before. I might not be your thing, but right now everything looks pretty weird.. especially with the perspective

stå på!

05 May 2005, 07:01 AM
Yea, you could make it turn like a lying J like Egil sugested.

05 May 2005, 07:27 AM
Rubyworks - Thank you

Eparts - hmm. I don't really know about that rule, but I'll try what you said atleast. Water is one of my weak sides. I'm affraid it will look odd, but then again, it does now aswell.

05 May 2005, 06:22 PM
Medusa: I think he is referring to the idea about having your images objects divided into 3 different planes - The front, middle, and back. When I'm making layouts and backgrounds for animation/games, I tend to use this rule very often. Especially by using framing objects in the front plane, to help frame the focal point to whatever in your picture you want to have the most attention. Other ways to help focus the focal point of your viewer, is to use perspective or highlights (brighter - the more important).

I think you could perhaps try to see how your image would read if you'd put in some cactuses in the front (kinda like their up on a sandhill, having the camera look between them), as framing objects. Helping you to draw the focal points to the dragon and his servant.

05 May 2005, 11:02 PM (

I added more tones and detai in the servant and I made the gingiva more complete. I Painted the clouds and gave the sand a texture. I also made the skin in the dragons mouth more transparent :).
Then I painted on the river as suggested by Egil and my brother (thank you).
I whant comments on it before I start to add more detail on it and add textures.
The image is flipped to search for errors.

05 May 2005, 11:19 PM
Looks cool. I've a suggestion, have you tried putting some deep violets in the shadowed parts on the dragon's skin? I think it'd go a long way to adding depth. Also the shape of its arm looks somewhat stubby to me - unless, of course, it's intentional. Perhaps a little more shape to the elbow and some more curves near the wrist?

Edit: just realised, the roof of the dragon's mouth is lit nearly as brightly as it's tongue - shouldn't it be much more in shadow?

05 May 2005, 06:20 AM
Thank you.
I don't whant the shadowy areas to be too dark again. (I've brightened it twice. Bergkvist suggested it so that the wievers doesn't look stright at the shadowy areas.)
I'll try to add more shape to the hand and darken the gingiva in the upper jaw.

05 May 2005, 05:19 PM
Hmmm...the dragon seem's pretty dull to me, not enough lighting i guess, water seems fine to me, but i think not enough reflection of the dragon on the water...the sands is too flat, make it look more natural...hehe...and i think it would b lovely if there's sum textures on the dragon,...overall seems pretty good, its just lighting...i guess.....well all that is just my personal suggestions...sorry if i offended u...just trying to help u out.. ;} ... goodlux dude! :thumbsup: :buttrock:

05 May 2005, 06:13 PM
eclipson- hmm. I think he might seem dull, because he barely got any contrasts.
I'll try to fix the sand and the reflection. Textures are the last thing I'll put on. I hate that step :argh:
and its dudette, not dude here

05 May 2005, 07:25 PM
i believe this river made improvements.. dull.. might be, because your detailing and shading is very soft and round. I think you need some rougher edges on the dragon. Its a dragon with muscles and stuff.. not a balloon :) Sorry for calling him a balloon.. he needs more shapes, especially on his back leg.

good update! nice clouds.

05 May 2005, 03:14 PM
I'll see what I can do whit it. I'm giving him some "textures" aswell now.

05 May 2005, 10:19 PM
Hey, nice clouds! The one on the right needs to get the left edge a little fuzzier, but they look real fluffy!

I don't know if it helps but I remembered this tutorial on water:

Cute avatar. Say, is that the light-saber your were using during the Wars?

05 May 2005, 07:22 AM
Fuzzier? I''ll fix that! :)
The tut might come in handy aswell.

Thank you for the comment, also on my avatar :)
In the wars I used a blue one, but the purple one suited the avatar a little better.

05 May 2005, 03:05 PM
Looks great! Don't forget to make a better silhouette of the dragons nose. :) Its abit straight atm. I think?

05 May 2005, 03:28 PM (

I finally finished texturing the sand, the water and the dragon.
I tried to make the sand near the water look more natural, and I made the gum darker. I also added some food in the upper jaw

05 May 2005, 04:10 PM
I've been incredibly stupid not to check on this piece, wow the effect is alot more dramatic, very well done with the environment...

I really like it very stylish and modernisque....

05 May 2005, 04:22 PM
am7- Ai, still too straight eh? hehe.. I'll try to remember that, but I dont whant his noserills to be too close to eatch other.

cha0t1c1- Thank you :)

05 May 2005, 06:23 PM (

I fixed the problem Atle pointed out, or atleast tried. Now he isen't that square-nosed :)
I need opinions on the texture.
Does it look overdone or do I need more "bumps"? Or is it looking good?

05 May 2005, 04:46 PM (

The final coloring :D

05 May 2005, 12:17 PM (

I adjusted the brightness, the curves and the levels. and added a little finishing tutch :).

05 May 2005, 12:49 PM
I simply like your touching picture :love:

Good luck


05 May 2005, 12:54 PM
He he, you missed a spot... right at the back... CHOMP!!

05 May 2005, 02:09 PM
Nice, I like it!

05 May 2005, 03:23 PM
okay I found the weak spot :lightbulb:
the spine of the dragon and the ribs are inconsistent...what if u detail the back of the dragon with more apparent ribs...that should flesh out the dragon...

05 May 2005, 06:48 PM
spacesnail - Thank you
Jezzarts - hahaha :)
Lystmaler- takker
cha0t1c1- D:! I allredy sendt it, but I like how it is now personally, maby I could do it better tho'. I feel like I got the effect I wanted.

05 May 2005, 08:13 PM
Hey, you've finished!


:applause: :wip: :applause: :wip: :applause:

05 May 2005, 11:28 AM
great work!:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
congrats.:applause: :buttrock: :wavey:

05 May 2005, 12:01 PM
Thank you Sonia and xric7 :D

05 May 2005, 06:32 AM
Very sweet work. Like it a lot! If u got some time lft, maybe refine the dragonskin a slight bit to go for a few folds, wrinkles and dragonscales? :) Keep it up, and congrats on your great progress! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 12:54 PM
hey! congratulations!
you´ve got a sweet style and the image is really nice! I like it a lot!
good luck!

05 May 2005, 04:47 PM
don't worry about it Medusa...The piece is wonderful but I just thought you were still working on it. critics never stop, even when a piece is finished...

Congratulations on finishing such a beautiful piece...

05 May 2005, 04:13 PM
hey matey!!!
I love your desing! it's soft, it's cool, it's... great!:thumbsup:


I think that you'll add some texture at the dragon, but no matter, it's seen great, like a coverbook... :bounce:

good luck!!!

05 May 2005, 04:21 PM
good pic, i like the concept, it's originaly. Good work and good luck for the end

05 May 2005, 06:53 PM
thats a cute image val... great job!!:thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 05:40 PM
Thank you people :)

05 May 2005, 03:21 PM
Just very very cute! now came to congratulate you on your final image, you done such a great and sweet job. best of luck on the finals!

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