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03-24-2005, 03:15 AM
Gord MacDonald has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=6335)

Latest Update: Coloring WIP: colour wip update
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1116212994_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1116212994_large.jpg)

more colour work on the figure


03-24-2005, 03:24 AM
Hi there!

glad you dropped by

C&C always welcome - I thrive on crits (even brutal ones)

Thanks for visiting!!!

- Gord


03-24-2005, 03:31 AM
I like this good start can't wait to see the later stages. Good hustle.:)

03-24-2005, 03:56 PM
Aaah, another familiar avatar! Hi gordonm, have fun with the challenge! Aaaaand... difficult topic you've chosen. How r u going to visualise the master and servant relationship...?

03-24-2005, 04:43 PM
Aaah, another familiar avatar! Hi gordonm, have fun with the challenge! Aaaaand... difficult topic you've chosen. How r u going to visualise the master and servant relationship...?

Hey coCoKNIght

This is the first concept - I wanted to get something posted. I have been rolling that very thought around in my mind. If I follow this path, I will probably deviate from the original story, and introduce some supernatural elements.
I have some other ideas, to visualize - hopefully real soon!


03-24-2005, 04:46 PM
ok, keep em coming :thumbsup:

03-24-2005, 05:33 PM
Curious, never expected that. But it's kind of beautiful. Like it, I wonder what you'll come up with next.

03-24-2005, 11:51 PM
Looks painful but good so far. Do you intend the image you have up to reflect the final painting at all?

I'll hang around and check this thread out every now and again. Good luck!
P.S-- thanks for critiquing my thread! I can use all the help I can get!!

Oh, the pressure! Are you feeling it??

03-25-2005, 02:46 AM
Hey paperclip!

I hope to have some more up by 5:00am est (I work on drawing at night)

I have not commited yet, but intend to very soon - I want to get the right "vehicle" to capture the idea of "Master and Servant", but don't want to waste time humming and hawing.

Tonight I am going to work up some images the may be pretty good - MacBeth, Lady MacBeth, and Lady MacBeths sevitude to the quest for power at any cost. Two levels of servitude:
- Lady MacBeths desire for power (master) Lady MacBeth (servant)
- Lady MacBeth (Master) MacBeth (servant)

Oh, the pressure! Are you feeling it??

ya always :argh:

03-26-2005, 07:00 AM
***duplicate image***

03-26-2005, 07:04 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1111820673_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1111820673_large.jpg)

This image is based on a piobaireachd (pronounced Pee-Brok) (classical bagpipe music) - titled "Pipers Warning to his Master"

This piobaireachd is based upon a siege by clan Campbell against clan MacDonald at Castle Dunyveg , on the island of Islay around 1647.

The besieged MacDonald chieftan Coll MacDonald, slipped out of the castle to seek reinforcements from Kintyre, and Ireland.

During his absence, the Campbells found the source of the MacDonalds water supply and cut it off. The MacDonalds were forced to capitulate.

Coll MacDonald was returning in his Ship. His Piper recognized the vessel, and realizing the danger that his master was in, asked the Campbells if he could play a piobaireachd to lament the battles loss.

The piper went to the castle battlements, and played his tune. His master recognised the tune as a warning, and turned away from the castle.

Once the Campbells had realized what had happened, they forced the piper to play a number of lively tunes on his pipes, and then proceeded to cut off all of his fingers, as punishment for warning his master of the danger.

(notes derived from "The Art of Piobaireachd" by Ian L McKay 1966)

The image was not researched - just banged out

03-26-2005, 07:09 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1111820981_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1111820981_large.jpg)

this is a study of a rather nasty master servant relationship

03-26-2005, 07:51 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1111823500_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1111823500_large.jpg)

Study of an evil being

03-26-2005, 09:55 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1111830905_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1111830905_large.jpg)

Lady MacBeth (Master) MacBeth (servant)

03-27-2005, 03:31 PM
All my encouragement, for this new challenge, your first drawing
is very tortured and releases a rough art in the "Munch",
Good luck for the continuation.

03-27-2005, 03:38 PM
oo haven't stopped by here yet , seems u got your ideas flowing gordon,
have fun!

03-27-2005, 03:46 PM
Liking those studies, they capture the relationship between master and servant really well. Good luck! :thumbsup:

03-28-2005, 03:33 PM
Hi, gordonm!

Aparently, most of us are (or were) having trouble at clearly depicting the relation between master and servant. But I guess that's a good thing - it means we have a better chance of having the final images looking new, original.
That's a really cool technique you're using for the sketches - the one with the face actually looks like it was done with thread and needle!:)
I'm afraid I only dimly recall Mcbeth's story (and that from the movie) but quests for power always made good subjects.

Good luck!:thumbsup:

edit - Almost forgot... My firewall was blocking your popup thread and it never does that here at CG. I now have you in my favourites but maybe you should replace your link just in case other people are having the same problem.

03-28-2005, 05:48 PM
Hi Sónia - thanks for dropping by!

My subject has not yet been finalized, I want to get some good comprehensive overviews, of a few different themes up within the next week or so. I want to lock down the main topic sooner rather than later - but not prematurely.

Thanks for mentioning the blockup issue - I will have to look into it


03-29-2005, 12:05 AM
Some cool topics I gotta think about:


identical twins
fraternal twins (hey thats me!)

Siamese twins! - identical, fraternal

These topics send images racing through my brain - now I gotta see if I can catch any of those images (without killing them)


03-29-2005, 12:08 AM
Same as Tranchefeux!!and have fun!!!

03-30-2005, 01:04 PM
I like the Study of Evil Dominance the best. Very interesting drawing style! Your Macbeth image says it is a detail, can we see the rest?

03-30-2005, 06:59 PM
OKMER - thanks for the comments, and dropping by!

Jose -
thanks for the input - glad you dropped by!
I guess calling the MacBeth image a detail, was a bit of a misnomer, the drawing posted is complete - the composition is not - I am still struggling with getting "the big picture/concept" nailed down. I have been avoiding uploading any more image "fragments". I have got to suck it up and get a complete working idea in place!


03-30-2005, 07:00 PM
interesting , I'm curious to see how this will develope...Keep doing what you do!

03-30-2005, 08:19 PM
Hey, Gordon! Good luck in the challenge. I have to say I like the story of the piper best so far. Just the idea of a servant warning his master of danger, the servant being killed for his loyalty and the chieftain escaping safely sounds like a compelling theme. The chieftain seems like a rat bastid for ducking out, but the clan must live on. ;)

Any thoughts of integrating your more colorful designs, even just as a concept sketch? Maybe an illusionist or a Timothy Leary character who controls swirls of light and color for the amusement of friends? I haven't seen anything abstract so far, so it would certainly stand out among some of the other entries.

Looking forward to more ideas!

03-30-2005, 10:45 PM
CoreyArtE - thanks for the input, and dropping by!

ILikesoup -
Hey fellow DSG-er!!! Glad you came by!
I am still working on the "Pipers Warning to his Master", but I am looking at opening the idea/story up to give me greater flexability in creating the image.
I am also looking at other themes, but I do want to get some full compositions up here really soon!
Interesting you should ask about the more colorful images I do - That is how I worked on the "Grand Space Opera" (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=184212) competition. (sadly I didn't complete it). See ya later!


04-03-2005, 02:32 PM
Hi Gord! Nice to see you araound too!
And thnx for visiting my website :)

Good Luck!

04-07-2005, 09:29 PM
good luck gordonm.:thumbsup:

04-08-2005, 10:37 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1112999871_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1112999871_large.jpg)

concept drawing - a wicked man - not of his own making

04-08-2005, 10:39 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1112999970_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1112999970_large.jpg)

concept drawing (rough) nasty demon

04-08-2005, 10:43 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1113000211_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1113000211_large.jpg)

This concept attempts to set up a relationship between a tortured, wicked man, and a demon who is controlling his torment. I gotta add a good force, an lots of details


04-09-2005, 12:35 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1113006945_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1113006945_large.jpg)

a basic colour idea

04-10-2005, 10:42 PM
youve got some good sketches going here, keen to c what your going to do with it.
gl :thumbsup:

04-25-2005, 04:45 PM
Hey, is that Pazuzu? Scary!

Keep it up! :thumbsup:

04-27-2005, 05:48 AM
GhostInTheMachine - Thanks!

SoniaNotRed - no (I don't think) just some nasty demon (not nasty enough yet!)
I googled Pazuzu - - I am surprised that I had never heard of this demon before. It was an interesting read!


04-29-2005, 08:46 AM
hi! shame on me I weren´t suscribed yet...
I like the idea you have here, especially the torment coming out of his head, it´s readable.

Good work! keep it up!

05-03-2005, 06:07 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1115100475_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1115100475_large.jpg)

Wow so little time left! Time to hustle. I have got along way to go but I am determined to finish this competition

05-05-2005, 02:53 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1115261633_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1115261633_large.jpg)

Figure groupings - little demon guys, and tortured, tormented humans


05-05-2005, 12:20 PM
hehe.. you have some really hardcore stuff going on here. interesting thread:) i see you still working on the sketches, you have to hurry up mate:D go go go :)

05-05-2005, 02:42 PM
Hey, Gord! I love the anguish in post #37. Great pose and strongest compositon, IMO. I'd love to see you work with that one, but create a stronger link between human and demon. Maybe the demon is holding a voodoo doll or peering at the human through a magic cauldron?

In your latest concept, funny that the imps/demons are made in the same image as the humans. Is that you? Looks like your old avatar. :) The flame over the head is a really good, clear icon.

Final thought: Don't worry so much about choosing a perfect concept. Just find an idea you'll enjoy working on for the next 12 days and do your best!:wip:

Cheers! And thanks for visiting my thread. I need all the encouragement I can get.
Sooo sleepy. . .

05-05-2005, 03:38 PM
Ant4d - Thanks for dropping by

ILikeSoup - Yup thats me Ugh! - I needed some reference material for the composition - The physiology is gioing to change - just the poses will stay. I wouldn't want to subject the world to those images of me - way too scarey!

And Yes I have a major endurance test ahead !!!


05-05-2005, 10:00 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1115330429_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1115330429_large.jpg)

I am going to suck it up and finish this thing. I hope all line art will be done before I finish for the day

05-05-2005, 10:10 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1115100475_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1115100475_large.jpg)

Wow so little time left! Time to hustle. I have got along way to go but I am determined to finish this competition

OK - This is the concept I am going with. Time to hustle up and run with it!


05-05-2005, 10:14 PM
Nice drawing on the hands and expression! love it. Need more!




05-08-2005, 04:21 PM
Its looking cool, you've got some cool concepts going, awesome!
Cant wait to see where this goes!

05-08-2005, 07:19 PM
Cameron Gardner, the_mighty_m:

Thanks - I know Ive still got lots of work to do!!! :argh: But I am going to get to the finish line!


05-08-2005, 07:26 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1115580401_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1115580401_large.jpg)

More work on the main character.

05-09-2005, 02:13 AM
:thumbsup: Nice concept, I liked your lines too!
Let's start to paint it ! We are short in time but we will do it!
I can visualize your work finished ;)
It will rock!
Thanks for posting.
My best wishes and good luck!

05-09-2005, 06:08 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1115618920_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1115618920_large.jpg)

More work on the line art - and testing a variation on the comp.

05-09-2005, 06:27 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1115620039_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1115620039_large.jpg)

some small additions to the line art

05-09-2005, 06:33 AM
Hey, Gord! I love the anguish in post #37. Great pose and strongest compositon, IMO. I'd love to see you work with that one, but create a stronger link between human and demon. Maybe the demon is holding a voodoo doll or peering at the human through a magic cauldron?

You are right about the stronger link! Thanks!


05-09-2005, 10:44 AM
Hey gordonm: Your concept is really taking fine shape. I especially like the character in the background, in the middle, with the flaming head. Really nice!

Hey as a compositional suggestion, try bringing the character with the flaming head down into the middle of your composition and make him part of the foreground. Then put your two bat like demons upon on the mountains like bookends looking down on him. Compositionally, this will focus the viewer's eye on the flaming head guy and may still maintain your mood. The angle of the mountains tend to draw the viewer's eye downward. Just some food for thought. Time may not be enough to do much more on this though.

Keep up the good work. You've got to really push it to the end now! Best of luck!

05-09-2005, 07:55 PM
I quite liked those hairy brushes on the first page of this thread. I may have to steal yours ;)

The posture on that big chap of your's strong, can't wait to see the colour wip's.

05-09-2005, 11:11 PM
Hello Gordonm

Seems to me your piece is a drama of the mind.
Does not need mountains etc.
Maybe just have your little demon sitting in palm of main figure's hand;
holding up mirror; tormenting big figure with its own image.
Looked in the mirror, saw my enemy and it was me kind of theme.
Maybe have other hand on main figure in a fist ready to break mirror.
Confrontation of one's self theme.

A while back you wondered if just the top half of a figure could be made interesting.
Now's your chance to prove once more that it can be.
Just use those raw emotions that you seem to be so good at.
And you will have a great piece!:)

Just my personal thought and opinion.
Hope it can be of some help to you.
Take care

John Keates
05-10-2005, 12:13 AM
Hey, gordonm,

There is some real drama in that figure and it is interesting the way that they are repeated. I hope to see some more before the deadline.

05-10-2005, 12:38 AM
Hey, how's my favorite greek geek? :D

It's coming along really well, I love the hands of the main character, his pose and his face, everything, you nailed it so well...
... are you going to have time to finish it?! I'm so worried!


.... you still haven't run off to open photoshop?! Go, man!

05-10-2005, 01:10 AM
TMArtist - very good food for thought!

Kargokultti - LOL - hey you've already got my brushes - standard oil brushes in Painter 8 - well thats if you have Painter 8.

Glenn Gallegos - your points are well taken - I have pretty much reached the same conclusion.

John Keates - I am going for broke - I really want to finish this!

Paperclip - Yuk,Yuk :D . I am at the point where photoshop is open 24/7 :bounce: :argh: :bounce: !


05-10-2005, 01:31 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1115688665_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1115688665_large.jpg)

Whew - Finished Line Art - at least as finished as its going to get! Time to hustle on!


05-11-2005, 01:46 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1115775965_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1115775965_large.jpg)

This is a very basic first pass at colour


Robert Longfield
05-11-2005, 02:00 AM
From the way the 'lava' guy is positioned, you would see the other side of his mouth...teeth. Cant wait to see it coloured!

05-11-2005, 03:15 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1115781331_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1115781331_large.jpg)

Just laid in the sky

05-11-2005, 03:17 AM
Robert - thanks!

05-12-2005, 09:32 PM
Hey, Gord! Nothing like working on deadline to get the creative juices flowing! :thumbsup:
I know you're just roughing in color now, but I like the texture you've given the sky. Could be flames or storm clouds.

BTW, do you put your backgrounds and characters on separate layers? I only ask because the paint strokes of your sky hug the contour of the man's back. If your background has its own layer you can create a consistent pattern without worrying about painting over the key figure.

Glad to see you back in!

05-12-2005, 09:40 PM
Going on all 4 cylinders now, eh Gord?
I think you should give the lava guy a darker base color, that way you can give him brilliant highlights that will really glow out...
Either way, it's coming along really well!

05-12-2005, 11:46 PM
ILikesoup and paperclip -

glad to see you have dropped by - gets me (more) motivated! :) :bounce: :) .

Ya I am working with lots of layers - there are more layers in my image than hairs on my head - hey wait a minute - I don't have any hairs on my head :D Oh well you get the idea...

I want this guy to be glowing from the inside out!


05-12-2005, 11:52 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1115941936_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1115941936_large.jpg)

I am beginning to work up the colour and also get some volume into the figure


05-14-2005, 01:29 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1116034183_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1116034183_large.jpg)

Still at it - I have been 'spinning my wheels' on the main figure. Man I gotta knuckle down and just nail it!

05-14-2005, 01:50 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1116035410_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1116035410_large.jpg)

modelling and colour - going way too slow!


05-14-2005, 04:28 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1116044876_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1116044876_large.jpg)

more colour work and adding base texture

05-14-2005, 07:05 AM
Keep going on Gord :thumbsup:

05-14-2005, 09:31 AM
looking powerful color.:thumbsup:
keep up the good work.
thank for ur message.good luck.:)

05-14-2005, 09:42 AM
spacesnail and xric7 - thaks for the encouragement! It really helps, during this final stretch!


05-14-2005, 09:45 AM
Looking good Gord, I think you should brighten up the hands a bit more, give some dramatic contrast against that deep plum sky!

05-14-2005, 09:58 AM
Thanks Theresa - thanks for dropping around!

When all is said and done, I want the central figures, hands and face to carry the image. I want a powerful internal glow - but a glow of rage - not a complacent glow.
(This image is based on the proverb "A wicked man is his own hell") Hopefully I am getting there!


05-14-2005, 11:43 AM
Hey, this version is looking much stronger!
Way to go! :thumbsup:

Now, hurry! :)

05-14-2005, 02:43 PM
gordonm: Keep up the good work. It's like one of my art instructors once said, "You've got to keep laying in the color and get rid of all the white space. Once it all gets filled in, the painting starts to materialize." I see that happening here. Just keep going and you'll make it. In the end you'll be better for this experience, with all the time pressure and hurried work. At least that's what I tell myself. Stay focussed. It's worth it! :)

05-14-2005, 03:18 PM
Sonia - Thanks for the encouragement. Whew, still a long way to the finish line!

TMArtist - your advice certainly makes sense! Thanks for the encouragement!


John Keates
05-14-2005, 03:26 PM
Hi Gord,

Nice to see some colour in there. It will be interesting to see how you express his form whilst having him glow (I assume he will glow). It would be a good idea to try and keep the strong drawing of the hands as a central part of the image I think.

05-15-2005, 01:41 AM
put specular effects perhaps or lights effects...good luck!

05-15-2005, 09:08 AM
Interesting coloring. Great concept, Figures are very nice, piece needs more contrast but you already know that:) Keep it up and good luck:)

05-15-2005, 09:37 AM
Oh, I'm glad to see your progress on this. It's coming together nicely, composition wise. I'm still not sure what's going on, but I'm intrigued enough to stick around to find out..:)

much good luck with the challenge.

05-15-2005, 11:44 AM
You must run to finish it!

05-15-2005, 09:27 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1116192460_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1116192460_large.jpg)

More colour - main figure - this is going to be really close!


05-15-2005, 11:45 PM
Interesting idea. Can't wait to see your finished piece. Best wishes to you.

05-16-2005, 03:09 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1116212994_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6335/6335_1116212994_large.jpg)

more colour work on the figure


05-18-2005, 05:04 PM
Hi folks

I will not be able to finish this contest, and produce a good image at the same time. I would like to thank everyone who visited this thread, and esp those who offered c&c and moral support.

This was such a good topic, and there are so many good works that were created in response to this challenge. My congrtulations to all who finished.


05-19-2005, 12:20 AM
Hey, gord! Sorry to see that you've run into deadline trouble, but you've done some nice work on the piece. I'd love to see you continue it in the WIP section, but I'm looking forward to not playing servant to my my challenge entry anymore.:D

Thanks for all the encouragement!

05-19-2005, 02:35 AM
Thanks Chris :) :beer:


05-19-2005, 02:53 AM
Man... i feel so sorry for you, that's a bad new for me :sad:, but please finish your work i'm very interesed in the final image, thanks for your support in my entry and sorry if i don't give you the feedback that you deserve, see you around.

05-19-2005, 09:32 AM
Commiserations, Gord. I know what it's like rushing for a deadline...

Maybe next time....?

05-21-2005, 01:39 PM
what a pity!
next time, eh?
anyway, congrat for the work done, very promising. Are you finishing it?

05-21-2005, 03:54 PM
Is-boset, paperclip, bealobo

Thanks for the thoughts!

Gord vbmenu_register("postmenu_2301510", true);

05-24-2005, 05:54 AM
Gord, you still can finnish it in the WIP section, it has a great potential and its a pity you ran out of time! thanks again for your help and support in my thread, and hope you got more luck next time, see you soon and heads up, u won time to paint out the max of your work here! go for it!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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