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03 March 2005, 12:39 AM
Mark Sheard has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

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03 March 2005, 01:29 AM
its lovely to see some one of true talent eenter man...hehehe

i reall cant wait to see what you draw man....wicked...


03 March 2005, 10:08 AM
Mark Sheard has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Hey there Mr Sheard. It'll be interesting to see what us Moose boys offer up for this challenge...

03 March 2005, 02:41 AM (

This is my first concept Sketch. I just want to break all the rules with this one and let it roam as it pleases.

03 March 2005, 04:46 AM (

Just a Ruff Color Up of my Ruff Sketch.
I still need to do my Clean Up, then I'll start colorin it properly again from skratch.

03 March 2005, 02:20 PM
Good start. My only crit would be that the top right part of the image is a little bare. Maybe put something on the wall?

03 March 2005, 03:47 PM
Cheers Groady,

I was actually thinking the same thing. I think when redraw it 'll be adding in a sixth character by that wall. Not only to fill in the space, but to help tell the story. And so it does...with every piece you place.

03 March 2005, 02:38 PM
Well well well, he hath arrived. I hope all those DVD's you bought when you were in our neck of the woods are serving you well as inspirational material.

And I love how the guy has your moustache. ^-^

03 March 2005, 02:47 PM
Those characters are great, but the composition is strangely cramped and it's not easy to look at because of this. Best way I can describe it is it would be better if the camera moved left, panned right a little and pulled back, and the woman on the left because more prominent.

03 March 2005, 05:18 PM
Nice work so far. I agree with the Baron about the composition being somewhat crampd, but I think coloring could also help for the important parts to pop a bit more. The checkerboard floor and the 3 different colors on the walls and ceiling are all fighting for attention. How would it look if all of the background surfaces were a lot less contrasty and saturated? It could help the composition some, maybe.
And I have to confess I don't quite "get" the figure behind the master. What is it?

anyhow, good luck with it! :-)


03 March 2005, 03:52 AM
All will be resolved when I do my second sketch. This one was done in seperate peices. I was just designing the different characters I wanted for the story. Then I just cut & pasted them in the correct order.

Now on my second Sketch I'll be working more on layout and perspective. I'll be trying to draw the viewers eye Towards the devil in the chair, using the angles of the other characters and the perspective.

I also agree with the Baron, what I don't like about it is the way all the characters are seen head to toe. It's a little too unnatural.

Anyay, thanks, and stay tuned for the next installment.

03 March 2005, 06:52 AM (

Here's a revised Sketch. I've just shifted things about for a better layout. The statue in the back was just drawn with this crappy mouse here at work. Shocking, I know. The dude in the chair needs to be spun around a bit to fit in with the perspective of the pic. Any thoughts before I move onto the next stage of cleanup?

03 March 2005, 03:19 AM
tis looking really good man....i like the position of the guy on the groung...looks cool...

looking forward to see where you take it from here...are you gonna go for your older
style with realistic type painting or are you going for your usual work style of a more cartoony look...should be interesting eithr way....


03 March 2005, 03:56 AM
Kinda Realistic, but with a lot more expression. I have some ideas of using a bit of a graff style of coloring. A combination of bright, soothing and dark colors. I'm gunna use a bit of Joe Chiodo and Glenn Barr for refenance. Check out their works if you don't know em and see what I mean.

03 March 2005, 04:09 AM
Great style and funny concept, nasty :D

The door and the knight look a bit dominant to me, adds too much weigth now on the wall since the scene itself already is quiet busy, i feel like it distaracts from the main scene.
for readding ballance, how bout a logical object, an ashtray next to smokey dude and or this and something its placed on?
about the maid with the drinks, isnt she bringing the boys the drinks after their bloody work? she seems carry the tablet away from them.

hope you get something out of my silly bad english... keep it up shark, this piece really iis very fun and interesting, got me onboard, so keep it comin!
cheers :wip: :thumbsup:

03 March 2005, 04:40 AM
Some good points there Angel, thanks. the ashtray is a great idea, I'll have to make it nice and decadent. And I guess I wasn't thinking when I drew the waitress, lol. I'll have to put a glass in the devils other hand, and make the drinks she's carrying empty. That'd make more sense. I'll be completely redrawing it over the next few days, so I'll be resolving a couple of issues then, and deciding what to edit or evolve.

Thanks for your support.

03 March 2005, 04:46 AM
wicked idea~ love it.

just a small crit, or maybe its just me... the door in the foreground and the one at the back of the room doesn't seem to tally. the back one seems floating... alittle too high up from the ground?

03 March 2005, 05:20 PM
all i can say is..... i told......

any way you got it going on!!

rip it up mr beard1!



03 March 2005, 05:51 PM
I like what Sasha was saying about the dominance of minor characters -- I think it might be better if the devil were moved to the dead center of the image, maybe even from a more full-frontal angle. With wicked underlighting or overlighting he could be really sinister like that while his minions run around.

I've whipped up a perspective reference for the floor; I suck at perspective so I always do those sorts of things in 3D. Hope it helps; I took a guess at the angle.

03 March 2005, 11:32 PM (

My Latest Revision

03 March 2005, 11:37 PM
Thanks heaps Cloud, that pic will help heaps. I am going fo a more insaine angle than that, but it'll help immensly on the floor tilings. And I like your point about the Devil being centre and front on. I think that could work well. I'll have to do another revision. That would also lend itself better for the tortured soul to be behind his chair, which I think suits better for emotional tyings. I seems wrong him being open and prone as in my latest edition.

See you round man.

03 March 2005, 11:40 PM
Great! Though I think that front girl must have some expression on her face which differs from top model posing in front of camera. Maybe jealousy, anger or disgust... What do you think?

THE Wizard
03 March 2005, 11:55 PM
You know I realy think you should fix those devilish eyes on the other maid:) I mean she's got panties right?

:twisted: my master and servant 2d (

03 March 2005, 12:28 AM
The maid on the floor is supposed to have a very scared look, maically scrubbing the floor of blood that won't come clean, whilst the serving maid is supposed to be quite passive as if what's happening in the scene doesn't concern her. She just goes on with her routine. I guess in my next sketch, I'll try to emphasize that more. as for the devil, I'm still not happy with his look. He needs more of a devilish grin, He's the complete voyeur, and a very manipulative Master at that.

03 March 2005, 12:34 AM
I really like your drawing style... and you've captured a nice whimsical feel to your concept. Great stuff! Looking forward to your paints!


My 2D entry:

03 March 2005, 02:08 AM
Ooh, grinning devil would be good. Hey, do a search through the CGTalk forums for an image of The Joker from batman... this guy did a wicked one in 3D in XSI that had the most evil smile, like, ever.

That floor I drew could be turned into a more drastic angle in photoshop... Yeah, in your pic you've got this almost fisheye thing going and I couldn't pull that off in 3D. I'll have another look when I get back from Japanese class.

03 March 2005, 04:53 AM
Yeah, I checked out that Joker, It's quite Wicked. A little too extreme for what I'll be going for, but wicked none the less. And thanks for your help on the floor tiling.

03 March 2005, 12:12 PM
Yeah, that joker is extreme, but I guess that's why I love it so much. ^-^

Here's a few more reference images. I finally got the perspective thing working, so these are closer to what you're attempting, I think. I took shots from a number of angles.

03 March 2005, 02:44 PM
Hey man, don't gt me wrong. I totally agree, That Joker image is ewesome. But in the context I'm playing with, there's no need for a loonatic. There are players, and then there are pawns.The devil plays games that last thousands of years. He is intent, and patient.

Give me another three days. I will return with a difinatie Outline.

03 March 2005, 02:47 PM
And once again, Thank you for your help cloud. you'll be seeing over the weekend what an inspiration you've been. Cheers.

04 April 2005, 04:43 AM
Your latest revision is a good improvement from the others. I like the new expession and pose of the main character (devil?) One crit is that the knight figure is difficult to tell if it is a decorative suit of armor in an alcove, or another character standing in a doorway. And one other thought I had, was what if the waitress were in the process of daintily stepping over the bodybag- since she already has somewhat of a passively quizzical face, maybe she could be thinking "Oh! What's this I almost tripped on?!? Oh, good - it's only another dead body. " :twisted:

04 April 2005, 03:03 PM
looking good dude...

tho i still think the chair is way out of the forced perspective you have gotten going here
but the rest of the room is looking a little better :)

looking forward to some more colouring to see how your gonna tackle that...

but its really starting to come together man..



04 April 2005, 04:33 PM
But in the context I'm playing with, there's no need for a loonatic.
Oh fine. If you didn't want me around that badly you could have just said so...

*katt slinks away into the lunatic fringe* ;)

04 April 2005, 02:06 PM
Cloud, I think you got me wrong man. I ment the Joker was the lunatic, not you, lol. Your comments are always welcome, and well appreciated. You're one of the few I highly regard in this field. You tend to spot the things i miss.

I'll be doing a bit of work tomorrow. So I'll be back then.

04 April 2005, 09:02 AM (

OK, here's my Finished Line Art. Still deciding wether or not I should put the statue in.

04 April 2005, 09:12 AM (

Here's a Close Up of my Devil Character.

04 April 2005, 09:33 AM
yeah man....thats the mark that i know and love...

i think you need something along the walls but i think the statue may be a little too much and distracting...th8nking about it now....will drinks some beers and see you on msn...
ill try to think of some ideas soon....

but man is it looking awesome!!


04 April 2005, 09:50 AM
Hey that devil looks like you! Or do you just look like the devil?!?! :scream:
Looking good dood.

04 April 2005, 10:50 AM someone who has know Mr shark for a very good chunk of his life I can say that you are right in both counts :)


04 April 2005, 11:11 AM
Looking good Dreamshark. Nice linework on the Devil!

04 April 2005, 11:22 AM
man looks like the whole god damned moose crew is in on this one?
hope to see some throat slitting going on in the near future :)

04 April 2005, 01:40 PM
chair = soooooo much better :)

04 April 2005, 11:17 PM (

Thanks for the support fellas. As you can see the tiles are working alot better now. I like the style of this chair better, but wether the front on view makes a difference. One question I want to through out to everyone & anyone, what do you think of the statue in the back? I know the perspective of it's off, but is it too distracting and unneseccary?

04 April 2005, 12:49 AM
Nice sketch of the man in the chair. Your color choice is interesting. Though the two walls could have a bit more contrast in color. They are a bit too similar. Great concept! :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 01:01 AM
Right now it is distracting because it is whie on a colored background... Once it is colored it might be less so... I think the image needs details like the statue to give it a bit more depth, so I'd keep it in and maybe add more detail throughout. You can always decrease the impact of the detail through color.

04 April 2005, 06:53 AM
Thanks for your input Starman & HammaJamma. I've decided to drop the statue and replace it with a fireplace (Thanks for the tip Groady). It should add some warmth to the pic, some good lighting, and will also give me an immediate murder weapon to place in the vacinity.

Fire walk with me.

04 April 2005, 12:55 PM
Thanks for the support fellas. As you can see the tiles are working alot better now. I like the style of this chair better, but wether the front on view makes a difference. One question I want to through out to everyone & anyone, what do you think of the statue in the back? I know the perspective of it's off, but is it too distracting and unneseccary?

Actually I'd say the opposite -- I was thinking you need a lot more on the walls as they seem kind of empty in the current shots.

Everything's coming together really well, though. And the demon looks more... demony. It's all sw33t. ^-^

Jack Youngblood
04 April 2005, 06:18 PM
Splendid drawing!

Removing the statue might have been a good idea but it has lowered the apparent population of the scene somewhat. One master and two servants is a different social dynamic from (say...) three or four servants. Is this what you wanted?

Also are the figures the right relative size? The lady nearest us looks a bit big for her apparent importance. Dunno.

04 April 2005, 01:05 PM (


04 April 2005, 01:32 PM
looks sweet man.... i like the way that you have made th room mor liveable....excellent!!!

i think you mught need to move the devil chair formard.....before i thought it was almost in the wall (teh back half) and not theres a clock butween it and the wall....

but other thatn that man its really really really wicked step and much better...all is good :)


04 April 2005, 01:33 PM
What does everybody think?

As you can see I have made some large changes to the background. Which does change the whole perception of the piece. Before it had this eerie relm feel. And in agreeance with Youngblood, the Statue did give a good presence as the 6th character. Even though it's made of stone, it had the feel of an forboding entity.
But the new pic has a good strenght in place....I'm quite up in arms at the moment.

Any opinions? This is the turning point in the evolving piece.

04 April 2005, 10:44 PM
Much better with the wall details. My only issue is that the checked floor doesn't really fit anymore. It did before because it had a more wacky stylised feel. The wall details have really added a substance to the image and thus made it more tangible. I personally associate checked floors with kitchens and cartoons (see opening scens of Who Framed Roger Rabbit). It almost needs some elaborate red rug. That's my thoughts anyway :applause:

THE Wizard
04 April 2005, 10:37 PM
You know what, just add an umbrela (like in a cocktails) in the glass the dude holds...:)

This is looking reallly good!! Bravo

P.S. That's the look I was talking about!

04 April 2005, 04:02 AM
I like the business of it all. I think it makes the place feel more lived-in, and it was certainly the right choice.

The chair, I think, should be cheated out towards the audience a bit. Right now, flat-on, it loses a lot. Also, the perspective on the objects in the room is all different. ^-^;;

(Am I repeating myself by saying) I like the idea someone mentioned earlier about centralizing the demon and moving the leftmost maid into a more submissive position. She's the main draw of the image, but she's not the topic, you know?

Listen -- if you want perspective references for the image let me know. I'll make up some 3D ones. I don't want to do them and accidentally offend you, though, so I thought I'd ask first.

BTW demon's face rocks.

04 April 2005, 07:43 AM (

I've had enough of coloring this today. time to let it lie & I'll pick it up again on a new day. All comments welcome.

04 April 2005, 07:58 AM
Thanks for the comments guys. Groady, I hear what your saying. But you know me, and I love that cartoony look. As much as my theme is, this is not going to be a dark piece. Wizard, thanks for the support, but I'll have to disagree with the umbrella. You don't get one in a scotch on the rocks. But maybe I'll put in in the empty cocktail being taken away by the maid as a lil tribute. Cloud, thanks for the help man, but now it's time to move on. I'm not one to dwell on whether the perspective right or not. I am a cartoonist at heart, so a ruler's against my nature. I now what you mean about the chair though, it generally goes against everything I know to draw something front on, that'd be like dong something completely symetrical. If I get the time I might change it, but for now as I said I gotta keep truckin'. I like the green on the chair though, it looks like a tastey color....hmmm..yum.

04 April 2005, 08:36 AM (

After a bit of consideration, I decided to change the chair after all. Every time I looked at it it seemed wrong. Now I can move on.

04 April 2005, 01:49 PM
The chair is much better. Some times you've just gotta go with your gut. I must say I'm not too sure the white key lines are really adding anything to the picture. If it is possible maybe try flipping the guy in the chair horizontally to get the smoke away from the soul dood behind him. What else do you plan on doing?

04 April 2005, 04:07 PM (

Just in case you thought I was entering a coloring in competition, I thought I might add in an example of the style in which i'll be working.

P.S. Cloud, I now realise what you were talking about with the perspective problem. simple solution. I'll workon it, stay tuned.

And Groady, I was thinking the same thing about the devil. I'll see if it poses a big problem, then change. I need to have a bit of fun for this one for a bit. Gotta keep reminding myself, "this is art, not design". I don't want to tie myself down.

04 April 2005, 04:08 PM
lol this is excellent!

04 April 2005, 11:33 PM
Looking good, dude! Really coming along. Not sure about the white keylines, though. Can't wait to see the finished product. Two thumbs up!

04 April 2005, 07:59 AM (

Been workin on this for a bit now today, just subtle things. Dulling down the white key line, doing tests with the devil, but it's not going to work swapping his arms, it leaves to much space by the tortured soul.

04 April 2005, 09:08 PM
nice, i like your concept, its been turning out really well, nice original idea, and i really like the over all look of it....and girls dressed in french maid outfits, you can never go wrong with that

04 April 2005, 11:54 AM (

Just doin a bit more work on the Devils face and hair...still have a lot to go.

04 April 2005, 03:27 PM
looking funky man :)
sorta beastly and beardy..

more more!

oh i just sortqa looks like hes wearing a mask cause the beard/hair colour changes so sharply..

nay way...have a fun desu!!


04 April 2005, 03:58 PM
:thumbsup: great work, sorry i didnt answer earlier, but had a very shitty week and was definately too overtired to follow the challenge as i'd liked it to.
I have to say i preferred the expression he had in your initial concept, he looked a way of hellmaster wich is not often shown but well described too. dandy, relaxed, young and ready to seduce every girl, now sort of looks more like 50 and very pissed off about the mess in his sweet home :P
something ewlse wich bugs me a bit is the 2 diffferent colors of beard and hair, looks like 1 of em is colored... maybe both blonde?

the composition works fine now, the toning of the walls created a fine ballance, the messy brown makes em look worn and very cool. like em. keep on goin mate, looks funky fresh and really cool :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 01:41 PM
Looking good the colour up on the skin; nice subtle textures. Agree with Cyberones comment about the two different hair colous with the beard and it deliberate? If it is Maybe make the face more obviously a mask to clarify this... i swear that guy looks familiar though...

04 April 2005, 02:21 PM (

Doin a bit more work on it. As for the difference in hair color, I could say that happens, I know some people with blonde hair and a red beard, and others (like myself) whom in summer have blonde hair and a brown beard. But I must admit I have accentuated the colors in this piece. It is an image of the devil in hell..... Anyone else been to Hell recently?

04 April 2005, 02:44 PM
I like the sketchy colouring style. Suits the pic. The chair is looking great. You need to put a bit of the skin colour in his right hand as it's looking a little grey and unattached from the rest of him. Also put a bit of shadow under his feet and chair to anchor them in the scene a little better. I'm curious to see what you did with the smoke in front of the soul dood but it's a little cut off in that pic. I was going to say from your previous update give the 'ol golden fiddle a few highlights to make it look more shiny and golden. Keep it up.

04 April 2005, 11:34 AM (

Only had a little bit of time to work on it tonght. Just done some work on the waitresses' Just building up the face and body now.

04 April 2005, 10:01 PM
I was going to say from your previous update give the 'ol golden fiddle a few highlights to make it look more shiny and golden. Keep it up.

Agreed! I like the in-joke. "But if you lose the Devil takes yer soooooooooooul!"
Love the work so far. I agree about his hair though if only because the eyes are white like the eye holes in Batman's cowl -- it makes the face look like a mask with the beard attached, and the blonde hair his natural color. What if the roots of his (head) hair were dark like he's had his hair colored and the roots are growing out?

Anyway, it's all coming together nicely.

05 May 2005, 06:46 AM (

Done some work on the fireplace & bones. Will keep working. And thanks for the suggestions, I'll keep em in mind.

05 May 2005, 05:15 AM
Hey man!

Been without internet for a bit... just came back to see the marvelous additions to your image!

No crits for now. I think that if you just keep going with what you have you'll be gold to go.

05 May 2005, 05:37 AM
huy dude!!

As D.C. said we dont got no damn internet at the moment.. :(

but itd looking prtetty sweet..

are you gonna keep the white outline on everything? it sorta makes it look like all cutouts..

im really liking it though...keep up the great work...

will speak to you properly when NTT decides that they like foreign people


05 May 2005, 03:08 PM
looking very good, maybne add some decent glow on the bones too to have em more integrated into the fierplace illumination as well. Keep on rocking Mark!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 03:26 PM
:beer: Cooooool style, keep it the good work :beer:

05 May 2005, 11:28 AM
Nice work on the fireplace dude! That's come up a treat!

How's the new job going. It's kinda quiet in the studio without you there... no crazy music or anything. Anyway, hope you're enjoying the new job, i know it's what you love. Best of luck with the challenge, bud!

05 May 2005, 11:30 AM
i love it!!

wanna see more!! but the damn internet!

but well be back again soon!!

i wanna see more!!

man im drinking again!!


see ya soon bud!


05 May 2005, 05:28 AM (

Just working on te background more. Thanks for the support guys, all crits welcome. Deeply running out of time. M.

05 May 2005, 05:33 AM
hahaha same here. but keep it up mate, looking fine. the fine accents you set are working so great together, and the power of your colors is bursting all over the place. keep on rocking!

05 May 2005, 11:17 AM (

Just been doin a bit more on the BG, just have the two maids and the body to do now. Should get in done in time.
Thanks for your posts guys, Craig: works goin awesome, it's a refreshing atmosphere and the shifts give me plenty of spare time to work on my own projects. Cyber: Rock n Roll buddy. Angel: Cheers & thanks for poppin back.
See yall at the finish line!

05 May 2005, 05:15 PM
Just wondering about shadows -- you've got light and dark areas, but the shadows would have a more distinct shape with the devil so close to the fireplace. I've got burning candles in my own pic and it just dawned on me that I've got to account for the light and shadow around them. :sad:

05 May 2005, 09:27 AM
Hey man!

I really like how it's all ended up. The color palette is nice. It kind of feels like your signature palette, you know? The reds give it that visceral feeling that should be felt after watching somebody brutally killed. :)

I can't wait to download the final for my desktop wallpaper -- get to it! Good luck in the judging! (I'm of course giving you a vote ;))

05 May 2005, 06:11 AM (

More coloring, Luckely I've got the day off today to get workin on this and finish it. Out.

05 May 2005, 09:55 AM (

Finally done! Yay. Cheers everyone. Rock N Roll.

05 May 2005, 10:01 AM (


05 May 2005, 03:06 AM
awesome man...glad to see you got it finished!!!

i really like how its turned out...a very beard style...

will talk to ya soon....


05 May 2005, 06:36 PM
Mark, congrats on your fantastic and great final piece! Loved your great style from the moment i found it and just came now to wish you all the best on the finals, man, you rock!!!

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