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03-22-2005, 10:46 PM
Michael Madic' has entered the Master and Servant 3D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=6072)

Latest Update: Rendering: Master and servant final.....
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03-22-2005, 10:49 PM
Hey Michael,
Nice to see you again, looking forward to your enthusiasm and your image . Good luck

03-22-2005, 10:55 PM
Time to get into that fastlane............It's a pleasure to be back in for another challenge.......

I'll get myself locked up into that Ol' Laboratory for the next 24 hours or so.........Get those creative juices flowing to the max.........I hope the Gods of creativity are kind to me.......

I'll be back with a storyline and concept/idea ASAP...........

Until then I can already say that the plot or basis of my concept will be ........."See no Evil...Hear no Evil...& Speak no Evil".........After locking myself away in the ol' lab i'll come back with a fleshed out storyline and concept.........Until then,great to be part of another challenge,should be a wild.....fun & creative time.........:arteest:

03-22-2005, 11:05 PM
Hi there master! Nice to see you here. I can't wait to see your evil models:) as usual I'm waiting for killing stuff here:twisted:

03-22-2005, 11:19 PM
loking forward for some new great stuff from you Michael. see you :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

03-22-2005, 11:21 PM
yey virtuoso \o/ always a pleasure to see you ! (i will try to shake harnelbe for this challenge)

03-22-2005, 11:54 PM
hahaha! Mate you just could'nt resist could you? I told yah so.;) This will be exciting.:bounce:

03-23-2005, 12:08 AM
have fun dude !

03-23-2005, 12:18 AM
Hi friend,

nice to see you again :wavey:

03-23-2005, 12:32 AM
Hiya Micheal,

Have fun and looking forward to you work :applause:

03-23-2005, 12:34 AM
MIKE! Nice 2 c ya!:scream: My best wishes!! You'll win this time! :buttrock:

03-23-2005, 12:40 AM
yeah! glad to see you here again!! have fun ,and good luck michael!

03-23-2005, 01:02 AM
Ready, set GO go GO! Looking forward to a HUGE fantastic trip! Best luck and laodsa Fun Mate!
Let it ROCK!!!:thumbsup: :beer: :buttrock:

03-23-2005, 01:06 AM
• So, mr Virtuoso is officially in! :thumbsup: I am really glad we are about to start a new adventure and with your paticular style sure it will be a very great experience to follow your thread :arteest: Good luck my friend, let's bring the magic one more time :thumbsup:

03-23-2005, 02:03 AM
I see Michael's back for the Challenge as well; good luck to ya. :thumbsup:

03-23-2005, 02:19 AM
Good luck. I'm glad you joined. Cant wait to see those ideas.

03-23-2005, 02:21 AM
Hi Michael,

I've seen your GSO work and I'm impressed :) Gonna follow this thread ^^
Good luck!

03-23-2005, 03:23 AM
:D Nice, love the "speak hear see no evil" idea, wasnt that a movie? Should be gret to see what you can come up with

*subbed* :buttrock:

Tommy Lee
03-23-2005, 06:10 AM
Good Luck mate:thumbsup:



03-23-2005, 06:28 AM
"The return of el virtuoso":thumbsup:, good luck, i wait your first skretch

03-23-2005, 06:32 AM
hey dude, welcome back... waiting for more...

03-23-2005, 06:41 AM
Good to see you! So now we can consider the challenge officially started - looking forward to all your splendid stuff. Good luck! :thumbsup:

03-23-2005, 06:56 AM
nice to see you micheal.:bounce:

03-23-2005, 07:00 AM
Good luck man! Nice too see the works of experienced and talented artist again!

03-23-2005, 07:18 AM
Hey Michael ! Welcome back California ! (it's a bit my home too !)
It's good to see you in this challenge ! It is going to Kick this time !
Good luck

03-23-2005, 07:53 AM
Michael good luck man... :D

julien - jddog

03-23-2005, 08:30 AM
Good luck mate , i'm curious to see the first concept to see what you've imagine this time... :cool:

03-23-2005, 09:35 AM
Ok now,the style and imagination meters just went up with your entrance bud.What wickedness and goodies you got in store this time I wonder?Cant wait for the curtain to open.Subscribed!:buttrock:

03-23-2005, 09:44 AM
MIchael! yo!! :D good luck wit the challenge:bounce:

03-23-2005, 10:27 AM
That's very nice to see you here an another time Michael... enjoy :scream: and take care to the evil... I think he's near us... :twisted:

yey virtuoso \o/ always a pleasure to see you ! (i will try to shake harnelbe for this challenge)
Hahahaha... very good idea Viag... I try to ask him too...

03-23-2005, 10:32 AM
Nice to see you again Michael.... and another time.... Good luck for you in this Challange looking forward to see your progress....!!!

03-23-2005, 11:46 AM
Can't wait to see what you churn out on your supercomputer Sir Virtuoso. Subscribing and waiting for some concepts...

03-23-2005, 01:24 PM
Expect'in that sweet style of yours once again dude.Love the see no evil hear no evil idea.This is gonna be sizzling hot.:twisted:

03-23-2005, 01:30 PM
have fun man...happy to cu again!

03-23-2005, 02:01 PM
Wooo all the official challenge ppl are there, nice to see you in again Virtuoso, i loved your last one, i'm sure it will be better this time !

Good luck to ya :thumbsup:

03-23-2005, 02:01 PM
Nice to see you again. :applause:

Bring on the polygons.


03-23-2005, 02:36 PM
Aiii! Madic's in!
This should be worth a quick look-in every now and again.. watching keenly :)


03-23-2005, 03:00 PM

Good luck Michael ! Give us again the best of U !:bounce:

03-23-2005, 05:09 PM
hey nice to c u again!!... this challange is gonna gr8er then ever!!... cant wait to c what u gonna show this tym! :thumbsup: :bounce:

03-23-2005, 05:43 PM
Good luck Michael !

03-23-2005, 06:46 PM
Hello Michael...im ready to see the Madic show!!!

i ll be watching to u closely man!

03-23-2005, 07:41 PM
Bring on the Virtuoso touch Michael.What you got cooking for this one I wonder.Cant wait to find out.The show begins.You always bring so much to the table in style and originality,with oh about 50 million polys.;) Good luck friend.:thumbsup:

03-23-2005, 08:33 PM
good luck Michael! I'm looking forward towhat you come up with. Whatever it is I'm sure it'll be great.

03-23-2005, 08:42 PM
hullo michael ...so hows it going so far .... no doubt good:) ! sure will see some refreshing works from u ....best of the best:twisted: !

03-23-2005, 08:58 PM
...waiting to see some good stuff again Michael. good luck.

03-23-2005, 09:33 PM
Hi Michael!

:bounce: Nice :bounce: to :bounce:see :bounce: u in :bounce: this :bounce: party :bounce:

Best luck!

03-23-2005, 10:11 PM
Good luck Micheal, look forwrd to see what you come up with!

03-23-2005, 11:55 PM
I am flattered,over three pages of welcome.Thanks very much to you all,it's very kind,and appreaciated.............:cool:

I dug myself out of the ol' lab for the past 24 hours or so :wip: ...........And came up with my concept and storyline......................I'll post up my inspiration and storyline,still fleshing out the characters and set designs,I'll have those up afterwards..... and will now get my storyline up in a few moments......

See you real soon with that...And once again thanks very much for your warm welcome all...........:arteest:

03-24-2005, 01:02 AM
Hi there Virtuoso!!!Nice to see you again!!!Looking forward for your show:D ,So me too I'll have a seat here.All the luck and fun to you,Micheal!!!

03-24-2005, 01:12 AM
Okmer........I reserved a nice front row and center seat for you...........Thankyou for coming by.........On with the show....this is it.........:arteest:

03-24-2005, 01:14 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6072/6072_1111626859_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6072/6072_1111626859_large.jpg)

My Inspiration and basis of my entry comes from a scuplture of mine.....

Hear no evil....See no evil.....speak no evil.......

The little guys you see here are just stand in's for my actual characters.......the servants.....

This sculpture of mine opened up my ideas and inspired my plans for this entry in the Master & servant challenge.......

The details are explained in the storyline below.......Character concepts are coming forth......

This is just a showing of where my inspiration comes from......Thanks.....

03-24-2005, 01:15 AM
Hear no Evil.....See no Evil....Speak no Evil......

Master Brute S.Maximus is one of the commanders of a clan within the Scalawag Empire in the World of L'eternel............... Together with his Rudes,called appropriately Brute's Rudes,he follows and lives to the letter,the Scalawag credo................The Rudes are a rugged,rough and tough bunch who fight,play and work very hard in spite of their size which is half that of a normal man...................... Their miniscule size seems even more dwarfed

next to the enormous size and bulk of Master Brute S.Maximus................
They are extremely loyal servants and devoted believers to Brute S.Maximus pratically to the point of worship..............They would defy death standing as a Rude shield in front of there Master.Of course,they also join him in all his battles whether they are for sports or for a great cause.They also take part eagerly in treasure hunts,skirt-chasing and Rum swigging!.......

Master Brute S Maximus has one main rule to be obeyed at all cost by his servants.It is a three-pronged rule stating: See no Evil......hear no Evil.... Speak no Evil..........

Brute is not an evil being but...............Sometimes when it is least expected some evil creeps into the very best.............It is those rare occasions that he does not want his faithful servants to see........hear......and most important speak about! If they would disobey, they would pay with their life.............Not that this had ever been necessary because the Rudes followed the three rules to the letter................not out of fear but out of total faithfulness............


I will depict the Rudes in the position of the sculpture above........bowing before Brute S.Maximus..........I will convey expression & emotion through facial positions........As well as body position and pose, for both the Rudes and there mighty Master Brute S. Maximus............

I will be going for a realistic human/toon caricature style for brute and his Rudes.......

They will be set before a mighty piece of architecture created for Brute by his Rudes.........Oh....Along with another surprise..........................but I'll leave that for later.........;)

Hope you like my idea........It's off to the "think tank lab" to flesh out the character concepts and set piece...........Lots to do,better get cracking.......:wip:

Thanks for stopping by...........:arteest: :arteest:

03-24-2005, 01:33 AM
heyyyyyy thats neat.. this is going to be very interesting I can tell :D

03-24-2005, 01:34 AM
• Great Story Michael!, all surrounded in your Scalawags chronicles, sounds very cool, the only think i think u should pay attention is that Rules specifically says: At least One human being should be either The Master or the Servant
• I didn't know u also do sculpture :arteest: :thumbsup: You are full of surprises my friend! I am also sure this is going to be a great work, looking forward to see how all comes together :buttrock::bounce:

03-24-2005, 01:36 AM
Thanks guys........well Brute is Human....a very fun looking one...as well as the Rudes.....Realsitic toon types,caricatures.......Should be fun....better get to the lab.......Thanks guys......:thumbsup:

03-24-2005, 02:03 AM
very cool story you got there :D bring on the sketches :)

03-24-2005, 02:49 AM
hi Virtuoso, i like ur idea :thumbsup:
i wait to see ur incredible work on this new challenge :bounce:

good luck :)

03-24-2005, 03:25 AM
Aha! Old compadre.Up to another challenge I see.Cant wait for the eye candy.love the story,the emotional impact will be great.Great choice on the hear no evil topic.Cant be a better way to show a master/servant picture.Cant wait to see these characters and espeacially the architecture.I see you still sculpt.Super cool as always.:buttrock:

03-24-2005, 03:37 AM
Great story Michael and a fantastic Sketch. Nice to see you have made big plans, thats how i like you :)

Keep it up my friend, bring it on bring it on!!!:thumbsup: :beer: :wip:

03-24-2005, 05:59 AM
great idea and a mighty fine sculpture.. see you.. :thumbsup:

03-24-2005, 06:45 AM
very cool concepts as always my friend...cant wait to see your top notch abilities...

03-24-2005, 06:58 AM
hello master ;),very interesting concept mate like always... waiting for update.:applause:

03-24-2005, 07:24 AM
cool dude, interesting concept into the mix

03-24-2005, 08:04 AM
Hello there Michael!

Nice to se you enter this challenge as well.

Im really exited to se what you will come ut with this time.
As allways a great story so now we only have to wait on the next step :arteest:

Good luck :thumbsup:


03-24-2005, 08:07 AM
Still a new history which ressemble you, I feel that will be still a fabulous history to be followed in details. Let's go Michael :bounce:

03-24-2005, 08:13 AM
Very nice concept Michael. Can't wait to see Brutes model.
I see it's all tied into you master plan...
If you keep this up you'll have a universe for a full feature CG movie on your hands in no time :)

03-24-2005, 08:16 AM
Cool concept , it will be great !
It's very diffrent of yours concepts on the others challenge , i'm curious to see yours firsts models :bounce:

03-24-2005, 08:28 AM
Hi Michael,

I was sad that I couldn't participate to the previous challenge, and thanx for you kind message on privates. Am lookin forward that huge amount of inspiration which will comin through your artwork. Best. My eyes will follow.


03-24-2005, 08:53 AM
Nice object of insperation you found :surprised they look a bit like Ewoks to me :scream: Can`t wait to see you starting to model them :thumbsup: Nice story btw...

03-24-2005, 09:26 AM
Super cool idea Michael.Give this that Virtuoso touch man.Cant wait to see those poly counts rise,and see them textures beautify it all.Be watching with eagerness.:bounce: :bounce:

03-24-2005, 10:35 AM
hahaha really funny original idea :thumbsup:

03-24-2005, 10:40 AM
hey michael, good to see you again!:buttrock:
your concept allready promises a great project, I can't wait to follow the progress.
good luck on this one mate! :thumbsup:

03-24-2005, 12:26 PM
Yeah! Finnaly, you come.... now this challenge can really start!! :cool:
Amazing story and concept!! Really nice and original.
Waiting to see the next update!! I'm sure we'll be surprised with every update... following your work to the final image... :applause:

I'm really happy to see you in this challenge!!!

Good luck my friend!! :beer:

03-24-2005, 12:30 PM
Hey Micheal, nice to see you have come up with a concept
I checked your other work and this will be another piece of original art.
Good luck :beer:

03-24-2005, 01:35 PM
Hey michael, good luck with your entry! With thats going on thus far I forgot to subscribe :eek: and this one thread I must keep up with. Look forward to your work.

03-24-2005, 02:35 PM
Hi there Michael:) It's been awhile. Yes, I changed forum names yet again hehe. At this rate, it's once every year.

Looking forward to seeing your progress my friend:thumbsup:


03-24-2005, 02:47 PM
Hi Michael, ruler of zillions of polygons,

happy to see u entered:scream: :thumbsup: your concept looks promising, mate ...can't await to see
things made in 3D....

I'm a little sad about not taking part this time, but actually the work's too much :cry:
Anyway, I will follow your probably eyestunning thread for sure:bounce:

best wishes, my friend, may the rendergod be with u:scream:

03-24-2005, 03:25 PM
Hear no evil....See no evil.....speak no evil.......
Reminds me a Burton snowboard video in the nineties...:shrug:

03-24-2005, 06:05 PM
Hi Virtuoso
Glad to see your participation for new large I am
delirious am in a hurry to see your first polygon, and cheer for your
Good luck

03-24-2005, 06:25 PM
Nice to see you again Virtuoso!!! Good luck with this!

P.S. Nice concept lol

03-24-2005, 06:56 PM
Cool story and a very nice concept to start! I believe this will be just as fun to follow as your last challenge - looking forward!

03-24-2005, 07:09 PM
Hi virtuoso, very nice concept. Can't wait to see the model.:)

03-24-2005, 07:27 PM
thats a nice sculpture :thumbsup: there michael ..... this should be good with the scalawag adaptation of it .....shoot em up:twisted:!

03-24-2005, 08:26 PM
Hey Michael,
The sculpture is very nice :thumbsup: , and I like the story line you have that goes with it. Hmm , what are these little creatures going to look like.

03-24-2005, 08:54 PM
Yes partner you already know I love that theme you came up with.Still cant get that sculpting out of your system I see.You going for Zbrush as well as Max and maya this time?By the way what kind of architecture you going for again?Alright tell me in msg.Go for it.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

03-24-2005, 09:10 PM
Hi Michael ! Cool idea :buttrock: i wish u luck!

03-24-2005, 09:37 PM
hey Virt .. thought i'd drop by & say hi .. anxious to see the morph into another fine work .. compelling as always :thumbsup:

say hey to the babes and waves

03-24-2005, 10:24 PM
This gonna be uber sweet dude.Locked onto your next moves.Bring it soon buddy.:buttrock:

03-24-2005, 11:41 PM
Interesting concept. Just clamping onto your thread, so i can see the fun unfold. I always learn something from waching you work. Good luck. :thumbsup:

03-25-2005, 12:34 AM
hey i c ur sculpture, but i cnat really imagine how u gonna picture ur final image, mayb u cud give us some hints with some other skatches and drawings.... keep goin, m following u :bounce: :thumbsup:

03-25-2005, 12:42 AM
Nice monkeys . What kind of background you gonna model?

03-25-2005, 03:11 AM
Back at it Michael.i really dig your story and idea here,major potential for emotion,and with your skill set this will be another great entry for you.i'll be looking in.Good luck.:thumbsup:

03-25-2005, 02:17 PM
your idea rox.................this is simply a genius opera.BRAVO!!!
I mean...everyone knows that you are an amazing artist in making awesome detailed 3d scenes....look like you have superpowers looking at you 3d jobs (Everytime i ask myself how damn you can model so much and detailed and well designed stuff...EVERYTIME!)
But....this time...the idea is amazing in itself!!!I mean...this time you start from a very very very cool concept.............add it to your skills......GOD!THIS THREAD WILL BE A WINNER FOR SURE!Dont forget that the judgment about this challenge is,on top of all,about the idea,before the 3d job......................im very impressed!You are a surprise challenge after challenge!
my compliments!


03-25-2005, 03:27 PM
go on Michael, concept-wise :thumbsup: i'll just sit here too...if you don't mind.

03-25-2005, 04:43 PM

How ya doin man? Good to see you here.
Like the 3 monkeys idea, its a departure from the standard concept.

Look forward to seeing this develope :thumbsup: .

The Force shall be thine!

03-25-2005, 06:42 PM
How's et goin mate? everything nice n smove i hope :) Am back on the track again, means, my shitty windows is glad i finnished the cleanout and works smove and clean again. thanks for your support yesterday!

03-25-2005, 07:53 PM
Happy to see you here michael !
i like your concept ! :thumbsup:

03-25-2005, 09:38 PM
Well sir you couldn't resist either huh...your entry has great potential of corse...I like the characters,,It will be cool to see how this develops ..and I will be following for sure...good luck mate...cheers :thumbsup:

03-25-2005, 11:55 PM
• I can feel the earth moving in this thread ....Something great is about to come, the couds are getting dark full of poligons waiting for the first vertex to come down, filling our eyes with sweet candy and making us slaver with shiny textures and colors....

.....The scalawags are close.... :twisted: aren't they Michael???.....:p

03-26-2005, 02:52 AM
your idea rox.................this is simply a genius opera.BRAVO!!!
I mean...everyone knows that you are an amazing artist in making awesome detailed 3d scenes....look like you have superpowers looking at you 3d jobs (Everytime i ask myself how damn you can model so much and detailed and well designed stuff...EVERYTIME!)
But....this time...the idea is amazing in itself!!!I mean...this time you start from a very very very cool concept.............add it to your skills......GOD!THIS THREAD WILL BE A WINNER FOR SURE!Dont forget that the judgment about this challenge is,on top of all,about the idea,before the 3d job......................im very impressed!You are a surprise challenge after challenge!
my compliments!


Yah as ideas go this is a winner.And with your slick skill set this will be one sweet ride.Portraying See no evil and hear no evil is a exceptional idea for master and servant.well thought out.Waiting for the action to get hot.Later on friend.:)

03-26-2005, 08:26 AM
Hello everyone.......Thanks very much for the interest and response......I am very grateful.........:arteest:

........I am excited to portray the "Hear no evil,see no evil,speak no evil" theme for this Master & servant challenge......

To give you an idea of where I am at this moment..........

................I have designed the environment and architecture for the entry.....named Brute S. maximus's...... "Tower of coral & Bones".........I believe a large part of character developement is showing there World,there surroundings......

...............I have also started modeling Brute S.maximus's head........He is my first Zbrush /Max/Maya combo work........I will follow this by creating his body in Zbrush and Max as well........

...............I have also finished designing Brutes Rudes the "Hear no evil,see no evil,speak no evil" ones in my entry.......I should get a sketch up real soon of them.........The rudes (servants) are also known as the ................................................ "Furwood-metalsteams".........The clue to just what they are is all in the name.......;) .....

I should be back real soon with a WIP of Brute S.Maximus's head......So stay tuned........And thanks again for the wonderful interest and support........:arteest: :cool:

03-26-2005, 08:38 AM
Can't wait to see what your cookin. Looks like you've set yourself quite a challenge.

Happy brushing Virtuoso :arteest:

03-26-2005, 08:40 AM
hey Mike, stop hiding stuff from us... there r some a lot of works u have done so far.... so please let us see tham...i'll b wating for ur update :deal:

03-26-2005, 08:46 AM
Hi greg....................Yes quite the challenge....but I would'nt have it any other way.......Zbrush is quite the toy........Coming to grips with it is a true pleasure......Thanks....:arteest:

overcontrast........Ok.....got a couple things in the oven.......and a couple sketches getting close to presentable......going back and forth now with brutes tower of Coral and bones and the Brute S.maxinus head.........Plus always adding to the designs.....but I'll be putting some things up real soon now......Thanks for your interest......:arteest:

03-26-2005, 04:17 PM
Hey Michael,

Good to see you back again! Looking forward to seeing your sketch work!

good luck dude! :thumbsup:

03-26-2005, 05:40 PM
hey Virtuoso nice to see you here again!
again an other crazy thread to come :bounce:

Good luck !!!

03-26-2005, 05:53 PM
talking talking talking but nothing happens:shrug:... COME ON SHOW US YOUR ART MAN :twisted:


03-26-2005, 06:02 PM
monkey boys! :D

03-26-2005, 07:22 PM
updates michael....:wip::banghead::argh::applause:

03-26-2005, 08:09 PM
Mate,mate,mate!What an idea,love it to death.And yes show us that update.:applause:

03-26-2005, 08:13 PM
hullo michael....dropping by ....i see no evil yet ;)....but somethings going on inside your think tank lab for sure!:)

03-26-2005, 08:51 PM
C'mon already, lets see some 3d!

03-26-2005, 09:15 PM
Thanks again guys for the interest and support..........I am getting things together for updates :wip: ......It's a little tough getting Brute S,maximus to sit still to take a picture of him to show you .................He's as big as a house and likes to do things his own way........But I'll get one or two up soon........See you then,and thanks very much once again..........:arteest:

03-26-2005, 09:22 PM
ahh, so that's how u get such awesome renders, they're actually Photos!

hah! ..

lol dude.. post em sketches - pen meets paper meets scanner, threesome oh yeh ;p

03-26-2005, 09:24 PM
I was about to say,

where the rest of the cool stuff! I like the idea, it's very original!

03-26-2005, 11:21 PM
Hi Michael,

Just a drop in..thanks for your posts and you could be sure that a crowd waitin for your updates. Till that, have nice day/night!

03-27-2005, 12:17 AM
Hi there Michael...and thanks for dropping by, how do you do that? thought I could hide in the 2D section...:)

Sounds good, this concept of yours...seems like the world L´eternal can be used for all kind of things...what a mighty world. And that sculpture...hehe, my gran mom had something like that when I was little, cut in wood. But they were seperated into 3 figures. Anyways, made me smile, when I saw it....

Go for this, and chain this damn Master(sorry master Maximus) to the chair...wanna see some updates...

03-27-2005, 02:06 AM
Looking Great! I'll watch to see how this develops!

03-27-2005, 04:27 AM
nice concept. it's good to see a broader, lighter take on the theme.

nice work. i'll be following this one.

03-27-2005, 04:37 PM
I can't believe it - this thread is already huge and you have barely got started yet! Well, I just settle down then and join the choir: "update, update" :)

03-27-2005, 04:43 PM
yeah upadate :arteest: can't wait anymore :banghead:

03-27-2005, 04:46 PM

Michael what are you doin?? My head's gonna explode !


03-27-2005, 06:37 PM
...ok until you don't start I have a chance to don't demoralyze myself... hahahah... I keep a eye on your next step Michael... :wip: + :arteest:

03-27-2005, 09:19 PM
Ok.............talk about super busy......Tossing up designs for the Rudes........And then going from Max to Z-brush back to max again for brutes Head and torso.......And then finally started to build Brute S.maximus tower's foundation ........my heads spinning.....:wip: ;)

........I got a couple renders in the oven of brutes head....I should be showing a couple concepts of the rudes and Brutes tower of coral and bones real soon,got the designs set for them.....

...........So the wheel is turning.....I should start showing things regular as of now....i'll be back within a few minutes with a couple WIP's of Brute S.Maximus head shots.....

Thanks very much for the interest and support,means a great deal to me.....See you in a few.......:arteest:

03-27-2005, 09:33 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6072/6072_1111959226_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6072/6072_1111959226_large.jpg)

Here is Brute S.Maximus........Say hi to him.......

This is a WIP 50% model....Done in Max and now off to Z-brush to get sculpted......This guy will be my first Z-brush creation...wish me luck...

Eyes are temp/////

No textures yet.......

I will now add some wrinkles,a touch,as he is still quite vibrant and young....Some moles,skin blemishes,a scar or two,and some bump and displacement.......

Please know that he is a "caricature"......A realistic toon,a stlyised human..........

Lots to do,,,,but the Old lab is in full production now......Look for the finished brute head with textures within a couple days.......

Again no textures and he is still WIP 50%......

Thanks for coming by.....until later...

03-27-2005, 09:35 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6072/6072_1111959328_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6072/6072_1111959328_large.jpg)

.......Another angel...no textures yet..

03-27-2005, 09:37 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6072/6072_1111959426_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6072/6072_1111959426_large.jpg)

And one more angle....50% WIP......No textures.....

Thanks for coming by...

03-27-2005, 09:37 PM
We'll all be waiting for the textured model. Hope z-brush gives you an extra boost

03-27-2005, 09:38 PM
thats gone be a mad on michael, looking foreward to zbrush session and good going,
see you later and :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

03-27-2005, 09:40 PM
Hahaaaaaaa Mate! Wicked cool.Love him to death certanly.awesome face structure,love the character of that face.Rugged,as they get.Love him Mate.Cant wait for the rest,this is inspiring.:bowdown:

03-27-2005, 09:42 PM
Finally the wait is over and we get to see what you are up to, and I must say that Brute looks really brutal :D.

Keap up the good work man.

I really like the eye texture really sweete :buttrock:


03-27-2005, 09:45 PM
atlast michael.... something to see....:) ..thats a nice Brute S.Maximus's head i see....keep hammering mate....and cheers!!

03-27-2005, 09:49 PM
:eek: :argh: :eek: :banghead: :argh:
... Damn, thats good. :applause:

03-27-2005, 09:49 PM
hehe, finally.. I was just about to post saying where's your updates..

awesome head model, caricatures add just so much character with exaggerated persona..

ZB is kicking ass in this comp.. waiting to see what you do with it Virt..


03-27-2005, 09:54 PM
..............................................Oh I forgot.....:drool:

03-27-2005, 09:56 PM
Question cousin.......when will you get that tower up?you know I'll be looking for that very much.

03-27-2005, 09:57 PM
After "Incredibles" I just mad with realistic crtoons!!
Hope this will come out an outstanding stuff!

my MASTER/&/servant XXX (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=224116)

03-27-2005, 10:00 PM
Onsloh.......You know me quite well enough Big "O".......The designs are up,and my favorite thing is set building.so it's coming,I am building the foundation now as I also go with brute and the rudes.....so look for some of it real soon,later this week I am certain.......Thanks buddy.:arteest:

Deryk..................Yes,you got to love the freedom and extra special qualities and options you have with them........Thanks for coming by......:arteest:

03-27-2005, 10:03 PM
3D raven....Alex H.......Onsloh....mr.carl.......yunisirees.......Artisticvisions........Versiden.....You guys are quick....thanks very much for your kind thoughts and support........back to the lab.You guy's make things all the sweeter......:thumbsup:

03-27-2005, 10:13 PM
finally ya showin some polys mate! Well, wish you much fun in ZB now, basemodel looks great. keep em udates coming! cheers :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

03-27-2005, 10:38 PM
Angel....Thankyou.......yes it's Zbrush time.....Wish me luck.Should be lots of fun.and quite the experience.....back to the lab I go.......Thanks again.:arteest:

03-27-2005, 10:43 PM
Haha , love this face :scream:
A pure brute for sure !

Can't stand the zbrushed version :bounce:

03-27-2005, 10:52 PM
Finally bro :applause:

I check your thread everyday man waiting to see some goodness and you didnt let me down. The face is awesome LOL , much character. Keep those polies moving...looking forward to more!

03-27-2005, 10:56 PM
Yes ! Realistic cartoon, that's an excellent choice :)

I love them and i'm sure i'll learn alot from you, keep update coming :thumbsup:

03-27-2005, 11:08 PM
Goul..............Thanks.....Thats why they call him brute....;)

Kid mesh............Thank you too......Mean's alot to hear......it's zbrush and texture time now.....also working on that torso......thank's again.....:arteest:

cipher.............realsitic toons (caricatures) Stylish characters offer such creativity and open ended options......i agree.Thanks for your support.......:arteest:

Ok lab time...Brute needs a body.......;)

03-27-2005, 11:28 PM
WOW!:eek: Killer head.Wicked and bitchin work dude.This is one bad ass dude.Keep on truckin dude.Exceptional as always.:buttrock:

03-27-2005, 11:42 PM
• Well done Michael, Only seeing this guy is necessary to guess his name!, waiting to see more of him! :bounce::bounce:

03-28-2005, 12:02 AM
Awesome.What a brute for sure.Looks Incredible.hats off to you.Subscibed.Loved your past stuff.:thumbsup:

03-28-2005, 12:15 AM
I like the face, I don't like eyes so much, :D

a greeting

03-28-2005, 01:20 AM
Very good work! I really liked eyes... I am awaiting progresses :thumbsup:

03-28-2005, 01:49 AM
Virtuoso it´s good to see you!! and you start with a nice part of your work. Have fun and good luck!

03-28-2005, 01:51 AM
wow, nice head michale!! it's your style , what!? do u going to zbrush too!?? ............ it will come out very great!!

03-28-2005, 02:03 AM
You make us wait, making are heads lean in closer only to WACK!! us when we are to close with and update like that: evil. Love the head, he looks great.

03-28-2005, 02:50 AM
Whew!Brute arrives in the flesh>Simply one bad mama jamma bro.I picture quite the beastly massive body.Having fun in brush?That tool in your hands has tons of possibilities..Ill be check'in you out next time.Super fantastic start!:applause:

03-28-2005, 04:00 AM
Hey nice to see you in again! I think your brute has a lot of character and style. There seems to be some pinching at the corners of his mouth, maybe too many 3-sided polys over there.


03-28-2005, 06:12 AM
Thankyou very much for the very kind support and interest.........I sure am keeping myself busy,but having fun too.your replies and support are really appreaciated.....:arteest:

I am busy tweaking Brute,getting him more fine tuned in Zbrush,learning this new toy and tweaking Brute as I go now......As well as creating his Torso......

Then I go back to creating his "tower of coral and bones"...back and forth like a tennis match......Ok,thanks again very much,back to the lab and another late night I go....:wip: :arteest:

03-28-2005, 06:57 AM
Brute has a name that suits him well :thumbsup:
Very promising start and I'm so looking forward to see what will happen to him in Zbrush - awaiting next update impatiently.

03-28-2005, 08:21 AM
A face full of expression and one tough guy.Will you give him morphs too?really dig him,got a fantastic look.Great modeling.Cant wait to see more.Love your stuff.

03-28-2005, 08:51 AM
hey nice head dude!!... i'll b wating to c it grow :thumbsup:

03-28-2005, 10:02 AM
great looking head. looking forward to seeing what you do in zbrush!

03-28-2005, 10:10 AM
hah finally 3d... looking good and curious how its going to look when it had its ZB pass ;)


~ R

03-28-2005, 11:04 AM
Nice eye shader btw, I need to work on that for my entry. :thumbsup:
look forward to your brute from zbrush!!

03-28-2005, 11:43 AM
Hey Michael Nice work man :thumbsup: Looking forward to seeing the scene layout... He looks like a master alright. Best of luck to you with this.... waiting for more.....L8r mate.

03-28-2005, 01:12 PM
Outstanding Michael.Your style remains your own.Cant wait to see this come together.Great features to him.Love them peepers.:eek:

03-28-2005, 01:30 PM
Hi Michael,
Ah!! super, have without already well the personality
of the character, I think that you goes after removing a little
symmetry in the face, of playing with the eyebrows, stops, etc
@ + for the continuation. :thumbsup:

03-28-2005, 01:44 PM
Hey Michael,
The Brute head model looks very good, lives up to his name , great job.:thumbsup:

03-28-2005, 01:54 PM
Zbrush time ok, but it would be cool if we can see another soft in this challenge ! :argh: :eek:

03-28-2005, 03:04 PM
Michael... the figure is really outstanding... :thumbsup:

03-28-2005, 03:10 PM
Hey, the head model is looking cool, waiting for more updates.

03-28-2005, 04:55 PM
hey !
i just dont like the eyes.. wainting to see moreee !
cya !

03-28-2005, 07:20 PM
hey !
i just dont like the eyes.. wainting to see moreee !
cya !

What? I just love the eyes.Those shaders are gorgeous.That brute has every right to be called brute V.Super clean and interesting design.Nicely done pardner.:thumbsup:

03-28-2005, 07:32 PM
there we go....:scream::buttrock::applause:
that is one TOUGH MOTHA............strong neck ,strong jaw...he is definitely brute....i am wating to be shocked again:argh::wip:

03-28-2005, 07:55 PM
Well now you are still the eye pleaser. WB Michael! I expect great things from you...

03-28-2005, 07:56 PM
hey mate your character modeling is going really cool... cant wait to see some more

03-28-2005, 08:07 PM
What an extremely kindly looking Brute, Michael :D (It's all in the eyes....)

Be very keen to see how the 'Three Wise Monkeys' come into the 'frame' of your well put together and intruiging storyline - good modeling, and look forward to updates....


03-28-2005, 08:27 PM
Greetings Mr Virtuoso, this is cracking along, awesome start to the model and I really like your concept too. I'd say his chin could use a bit more of a 'bum crease' in it tho, it will add to his heftiness.
Go hard!

03-28-2005, 08:39 PM
H& michael, the face of the brute is excellent, i like the style, very good work:thumbsup:

03-28-2005, 09:00 PM
A head of maximus really powerful, and funny, always the great control of the style and so much imagination, with your so particular style that we love all, it's really a great pleasure to follow... thanks Michael :thumbsup:

03-28-2005, 09:47 PM
Very nice, full of character!

I was lloking at the outer corners of the eyes, I think you could put a bit more sag/weight in them. Would give him more appeal I think, he has a lot of meat on him, looks like at least, so it just makes sense to me. Very cool eye textures.

Have fun!:scream:

03-28-2005, 10:39 PM
Brute has a name that suits him well :thumbsup:
Exactly, thought the same thing. When I first heart his name, I actually imagined a character very much like this. So it´s a cliché...no, just kidding:)

I like him, even though I would put some extra work into the eyeshape(Not the eyeball, know they are temp.) It´s like you are trying to express all of his "bruteness" in the eyebrowses, leaving the eyeshape rather doll. Your decision. I bet, having this fella thru the machinary of z-brush, will give him a nice makeup. And I´ll wait to crit further untill seing what you can do with this great tool. Which I btw haven´t tried myself, only seen the outcome. Stunning results. Might get a copy someday. But where to look for money...hmmmm

03-28-2005, 11:35 PM
Cool model. Huge neck, bigger than his head hehe (interesting model). Waiting for updates...:bounce:

03-29-2005, 12:55 AM
Wow excellent head creation Michael.Love the shape and look.Will you giveing him some hair for face or head. Great concept too,greatest idea with that speak no evil ,it will be great to see.Good luck friend.Not that you be needing.:applause:

03-29-2005, 02:04 AM
hi! may 9th virtuoso guy...!maybe I enter to the challenge the next week!

congratz for the opera space artwork, very impresive.


03-29-2005, 02:11 AM
haha man...i cant believe the fact that i didnt subscribe to this thread yet...sorry haha

03-29-2005, 02:14 AM
Hiya Virtuoso, came here to learn from you and see what you have cooked up so far! :D Please give us more soon!!! :scream: I'm sure i'll like that you have in store for us! :)

03-29-2005, 03:13 AM
we whant more, give us a sneak peak. see you mate and :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

03-29-2005, 08:19 AM
One of my favorites in challenges,I will watch this close.The concept is tremendous,and the head is funny and a great work,great personality.:applause:

03-29-2005, 09:22 AM
oooow the suspense! :P

03-29-2005, 09:32 AM
Hi Michael,

Haha! Pretty cool face! Those bloody eyes..:buttrock: Keep us posted master!

03-29-2005, 09:37 AM
Very nice character you've done:thumbsup: . I love the idea of the big neck. I can't wait to see the Zbrush version.
Good luck for this challenge have fun.:)

03-29-2005, 12:43 PM
more more more:applause:

great basis for ur char. cant wait to see what u got brewin
good luck

03-29-2005, 01:40 PM
we whant more, give us a sneak peak. see you mate and :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Yah! No pressure!:twisted: :p Superb design,yup he's brute,super cool look.The concepts the cats meow buddy,I told you already,and now I want more.Update demanded.:p

03-29-2005, 01:49 PM
Hello Michael .... glad to see you working again .... you are always a great inspiration for me .... I guess you good luck and nice times with this challenge.....

The head modelling is really great man, my only crit is about the eyes, they are too round .... but I think that if this is a wip you will fix it soon ....
Good luck!!

03-29-2005, 04:21 PM
Hi Michael!!

Nice modeling, this carachter is very good!! Great style as usually! :thumbsup:
I'm waiting to see some update...
Keep going my friend!!

OMG... already so many post!! We are all waiting to see your final image!!:beer:

03-29-2005, 07:38 PM
Yeah, Virtuoso,
your character does't leave me vithout emotions. I recnonize your style! Will you add to him some retro-tech details as I see you prefer (Machineflesh and GSO)?
Wait for more updates!

M&S (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=224116)
GSO (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/grandspaceopera/view_entries.php?challenger=5227)

03-29-2005, 10:46 PM
cooooooool :scream:

03-30-2005, 03:16 AM
very nice head. great style :thumbsup:

03-30-2005, 06:01 AM
Very nice style selection as always, I really the eyes, they look really good. I have to be checking this thread again soon!

03-30-2005, 07:00 AM
Awesome,love the style and character of this.Super eye shaders,really excellent depth and color.This is gonna be fantastic.:buttrock:

03-30-2005, 09:47 AM
Hey Michael.Get out of the surf and get this thing updated.You get them renders cooking bro.:deal: ;) :deal:

03-30-2005, 02:11 PM
:thumbsup: Hi Michael !
:bounce: Cool! great model.:) Hope to see work you coming.:bounce:

03-30-2005, 08:26 PM
He looks great so far. You're going to export with 3ds file format or do you have to use something else? How well does it work? I hope you give us some tips after you've done some fooling around.

03-30-2005, 09:03 PM
u going verrrrry slow with the updates mate :shrug:,bring them on:thumbsup:

03-30-2005, 10:50 PM
were isssssssss itttttttttt, uppppppdattttteeeeee.pllllllllleeeeaaaasssssseeee see you mate :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

03-30-2005, 10:55 PM
I was just sneeking around a bit... GREAT MODEL!!

Cool! i special like the look of the face & the eyes. Can´t wait to see the rest of the body.
keep on modeling

See u

03-31-2005, 01:20 AM
Awesome,I like your style and character :thumbsup: :buttrock:


03-31-2005, 02:07 AM
• Waiting for your next hit Michael, I can feel it is very close!....:scream::thumbsup:

03-31-2005, 02:50 AM
love those eyes... and still cant get over that neck.
with those proportions i cant wait to see the body
keepit coming

03-31-2005, 03:46 AM
As I browse the threads I see you stop by many of them and pay your respects, and that is very noble of you. So here I am to pay my respects to you. Great modeling and personal style, keep up the good work.

Master and Servent thread

03-31-2005, 04:24 AM
yooo hooo! Wheres the update man?? :bounce:

03-31-2005, 05:26 AM
So, Michael... how's it going with Zbrush - getting some good results? You're keeping us all curious here ... can't wait to see some updates here :wavey:

03-31-2005, 05:34 AM
great model ... have you ot time to share some techniques?

03-31-2005, 06:23 AM
Nice and strong expression ! Very impressive Michael ! I'm curious about the setup you 're gonna give to the final scene !:bounce:

03-31-2005, 06:50 AM
Yeah... as my friend Scooter... I'm very curious to learn more of your final goal... let's go Michael... you have the power in you... use it another time :bounce:

03-31-2005, 08:50 AM
NICE GUY!! SO YOU TURNED THE ENGINES ON? ? ?! ! ! ! SWEEEEET!!! c'mon m8!amaze us again!

03-31-2005, 01:02 PM
Wow now he has some personality Michael.Excellent execution.Great look to him,expression is boss.The style is yours again.This will be another special entry from you.Now bring some more my man.:thumbsup:

03-31-2005, 01:56 PM
good luck man!looking nice:thumbsup:
go on!

03-31-2005, 08:48 PM
Stellar head.love the style and personality.Super eyes,great shape.Love the folds and shape of jaw and chin.The eye brow shape is really make him standout too.Can wait on seeing more of your plans.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

03-31-2005, 09:09 PM
Good start but where's your sketch. Can't really say much until I see the composition. Keep going.

04-01-2005, 12:22 AM
Hi there ! I really like the head of your character ! Very nice design... :thumbsup: Great Job !!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

04-01-2005, 12:28 AM
Anxiously awaiting your next update bro... don't keep us in suspense too long.. ;)

04-01-2005, 12:30 AM
nice work you have and i like the idea that so far you haven't used any texture..thats real cool and I'm looking forward to seeing what else you have to offer...

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=223443 (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=223443)<- this is my thread...

04-01-2005, 05:52 AM
No sound of Michael ?? I'm that he's actually preparing a good surprise for us... an awesome surprise... a surprise so Michael :bounce:

04-01-2005, 11:02 AM
Hey Michael,

welcome back to another one of these great challenges. Its great to see you participate as you have a wild imagination that shines onto your work! I cant believe you already have 12 pages worth of thread already. Im sure CGTALK has to pay some extra bandwidth a month just to keep up with you :P. Its great to see you back in action, update is looking really good, hopefully you get around to reading this as there is always so many replys! I hope to see you at the end of this whole challenge with great pieces on screen. Good Luck!


04-01-2005, 11:05 AM
ths is some really great work truly admire people who can translate cartoonish style nto 3d:thumbsup:

04-01-2005, 11:14 AM
Is that a 'Bruticus update' I can sniff there...? Or just a steaming keyboard...?

C'mon Michael; the withdrawals are setting in, buddy ;)


04-01-2005, 11:27 AM
Man insane amount of views Virtuoso...the public is starving 4 updates (count me in) :D

04-01-2005, 02:01 PM
few days w/out update.. im getting worried.lol

when can we expect the next?

04-01-2005, 02:31 PM
nice modelling dude, keep it up

04-01-2005, 02:40 PM
Mmmmh...I was not in the 10 first pages of welcome...that's a shame ! :D
So Welcome !!

The beginning is already very interesting ! waiting to see more !

Cya and good luck !

04-01-2005, 03:35 PM
looking good so far!
and the concept sounds great/ ok awsome..lol
nice to see more people using zbrush, :)
good luck virtuoso!

04-01-2005, 10:24 PM
All of these Z-brush stuff is very cool, the speed of modeling is like a messenger of a new age in modelling!!!

But Master of puppet concept seems cool at the first sight but is puppet a servant? I mean how does a puppet serve to its master? I think this must be clarified...at least verbally!!!

THE Wizard
04-01-2005, 10:31 PM
I dont know a thing about modeling but that had looks awsome! great!

My Master & SerVanT 2D (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=225858)

04-01-2005, 11:56 PM
Oh! Common now Mate! Update.Your PM is full up mate,do some house cleaning.Oh and get me that update,cant wait to see all you got cooking.UPDATE!!:bounce:

04-02-2005, 01:24 AM
Updates Please :scream: I wanna see what you are working on in that lab of yours!

Waiting..... :rolleyes: he he....

Better get busy eh loads to do l8rz :thumbsup:

04-02-2005, 01:26 AM
hi ı grow impatient to see your composition...

jake rupert
04-02-2005, 05:17 AM
Great idea, great characters.
Brute is the coolest !
Maybe I will try a similar chara for my manga-girlie-pic.

;>) Jake

04-02-2005, 05:31 AM
Just browsed through your 'little' thread.. and MAN must you be popular?!!! I totally have to agree with Sel there...

As it being a WIP in the modeling stage, not really much left to comment from those that have cared to point a few things out.

There is an intresting story going here. I really can't understand how you are going to give the feel of the 'rules' to them. My first thought was that you were intending on mutating them by blinding, deafening and muting them.. but you say that they are obying out of complete loyalty.

In any case tagging along to see what comes up


04-02-2005, 05:49 AM
Duplicate post (The computer got stuck or somthing)

04-02-2005, 07:06 AM
he's really brute not to mention his name :D. keep up Michael!

04-02-2005, 11:24 AM
Arnold Schwarzenegger will look like a baby in front to your brute!
Can't stand to see it complete :bounce:

04-02-2005, 11:25 AM
nice start dude, looking forward to seeing more

04-02-2005, 02:12 PM
Brutally sweet head for brute ;) .Love the look,such personality.Hear no evil concept is spectacular.Can't wait for more.:eek:

04-02-2005, 03:14 PM
huh?.. all those trash talking and no update... no fare!!... that tough guy of urs seem to hang on his head and look at him, its like he is crying, for his body ofcourse ......huhahah i'll b waiting for ur update Mr.Tough-guy-creator :deal: :wip:

04-02-2005, 10:28 PM
Romans rullllllllz! I should know 'couse I'm making one as well

wating for more progress, I know you can do some major... emmm.... STUFF!

04-02-2005, 11:23 PM
Gosh i wouldnt want to mess around with this guy......Waiting for the Zbrushed model! hope u can post the screens of the wires...that would be interesting....:scream:

04-03-2005, 07:54 AM
Hello there...............Well whats one to say........except I am floored and flattered with the more than kind response and support........I greatly appreaciate the wonderful feedback and thankyou all for taking the time to show me such kindness and backing........

................I will be back with an update in a couple hours or so........I should be updating more on a regular basis as of now.......

................To let you in on where I am ......I am still working through the designs for the Rudes.....brutes Rudes (servants) but have a good idea of exactly what I want......

...............I have started in on brutes Torso and lower body.......Along with some extras for him........As well as come up with many tests for his skin tones.....many tests for hair solutions,and started in on weapons,and props creations too...........

...............I have also designed brutes Tower....a fancy prop really for the scene.....Something that I think is very important in "Character developement".......And helps escalate a character's personality.......

..............I will be showing "brutes Tower" foundation.......A support system for the tower itself........This tower will sit atop the supports which in turn sit atop a Coral like mesa formation which is circled by wild and thundering seas........

................So Look for the tower support WIP in a couple hours or so,and count on a regular dose of updates as of now......Things are in high gear......and the Lab is in full production........:wip:

...........So again......Thanks very much for your interest and support,and I'll see you real soon with updates..........one right around the corner.......See you then.....:arteest:

04-03-2005, 10:04 AM
good to see u still breathing.
when this sceen starts to take shape its going to be pritty fantastic.
so good to hear of a post ill be back in a few hours to check it out.

04-03-2005, 10:12 AM
Something great is about to be born here! :thumbsup:

Update! update! :scream:

04-03-2005, 11:17 AM
tilite..........I see you are into architecture....I am an architect ;) .....And sculpter turned Cg artist........ I have some architecture coming for this challenge....Thanks for your interest.........Are you in this challenge?//////////Hope to see you soon.......:)

Hooch...........I hope so.....Updates are coming asap...and more often......I hope///;) Thanks for your interest and words......:arteest: