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03 March 2005, 10:25 PM
John Bardakos has entered the Master and Servant 3D.

Challenge Page (

Latest Update: Modeling: ok (

oh i forgot this is the wireframes

03 March 2005, 10:43 PM
ok here is the idea ...

it has Freud oriented psycology interpretations ...

This guy Robert has a sexual affair with an older woman
(there is the Oedipus thingy..) and there into S&M ...
ok clear Master Servant situation ...(she is as dominant as his mother was)...
Robert is in his md 40's and Mama is well...old...90++

ths is one first atempt to create something like this for print
so i'll take it slowly.. :)

(not to mention that i have to work for the 2D challenge as well)...

the main point is fun and surreal with social family sexual sarcasm and punk ideology...
lets see how it works...


03 March 2005, 12:24 AM (

ok this is a first approach ...
thinking of Robert...and Mama
the lady with the black hair is Mama in heer early 50's when Robert was just a teenager...i am thinking of ways adjusting Mamas look to a slight SM interpretation..
but not too obvious ...maybe some piercings...or a goth tattoo on her ankle?
i dunno ...

03 March 2005, 10:31 PM (

i am not sure i\'ll go for that style ..
i wanna do something that i can handle
so i might change the design of himm...

the good part is he ha no clothes :)

03 March 2005, 11:13 PM (

i dunno i think i prefer this model better
the edge of the nose and the flying eyes ..but t would be kind f tricky in 3d....

03 March 2005, 05:07 PM (

slight altereations i havent started the ears yet...
i have had some problems with the toes..
didnt know how to handle those :)
.ok i am new at this it is easier in 2d ...
i also dont know much about the polygon flow i tried to follow the ruels of various tutorials about edge loops etc but i dont think i have it done right...

03 March 2005, 05:09 PM (

ok the subdivided thingy

03 March 2005, 05:11 PM (

i really hate the toes now that i see that....and i 've got to find a way to add more detail in some places of the face..
will start modeling the props (chaisn piercings etc..)
i will also use sasquatch for the pubic area and arms and legs...

03 March 2005, 05:19 PM
Tee Hee!

I can see his dinky wang.:blush: :D

Good Start!

03 March 2005, 05:28 PM (

hmm i'll beter start doing some work on
Mama caus that old lady is left behind...

03 March 2005, 05:58 PM
This project is scaring me, hahah. Looking freaky and good so far. Good luck.

03 March 2005, 06:38 PM
"dirty render" haha, well that's for sure. Good luck, crazy concept!

03 March 2005, 01:29 PM (

ok i am looking for the Mama design..
it is a bit difficult because i know in the end i have to create her with no cloths on..that same thought terrifies me...

03 March 2005, 09:03 PM
Please for the love of pete can't you just model her with clothes on... hahah. ;-)
Seriously these are really funny, to think; grannie with a tongue piercing!

03 March 2005, 12:02 AM
Hey John,

Absolutely funny!!! Am on your side (am a pierced guy). These characters are excellent no doubt! Keep it up!

03 March 2005, 12:51 AM (

some ideas about the mood and the bg of the final image...iam thinkinf of architecture NOT photorealistic ...and
walls,doors with lots of angles and edes
and a perspective distortion ...


03 March 2005, 12:57 AM
terrible news ...i have started creating the granny...
she is so horrible i keep hiding all the geometry in Lightwave
and cannot proceed ...i need to clear my mind ...

i am starting a new model she seems like an old witch ...but here is a fast render....

the geometry is all messed up btw...

u gonna love the detailed render that are following ;)

03 March 2005, 01:00 AM (

she has a totally different kind of design from robert that's the reason i am going to model her again this time being more obediant to my concept art..

03 March 2005, 01:03 AM (

ok various renders various lights various bgs various details various software various uses of the word various in this text...

03 March 2005, 01:06 AM
i corected i think the toes..
i followed the instructions of Kretin (J.G) for the eyelids (great book on characters)
i upgraded the ears to 2.2 (as well as the project messiah)
i added eyebrows
i added a few morphs
i added the piercings and the collar and lether leg-cuffs
ok that's it for now...

03 March 2005, 01:31 AM
You have an interesting style, and a somewhat unique concept, however, I wonder if you could be hurting your chances of winning by the subject matter. I was thinking about the part of the contest instructions that reads, " Any imaging deemed to contain content that depicts explicit acts that are overtly violent, sexual, cruel or brutal will be disqualified."
I don't know how hardfast that rule will be, so it's hard to say if your crossing that line or not. Something to consider I thought, anyway. :shrug:

03 March 2005, 11:57 AM
well the violence and the acts of sex etc etc exist only in the minds of the characters...
their background makes us imagine of such acts no pictures of wild sex between Robert and the Grandma will be shown (at least not here ;) ).

the whole process is for me just for fun ...+ the expierience..
3D is a new area for me these are actually the first models
i have ever created trying to apply what i learn and read...

and not to mention that for this kind of doing the process of doing is
the most important prize ...

03 March 2005, 01:55 PM
Haha! Those characters are great! Nice design. I would love to see an animated short coming from this entry.
Is that Lw you're using?

03 March 2005, 02:26 PM
Cgkoko : thx mate .. LW modeling and messiah renders for these ones..

03 March 2005, 03:21 PM
Oh my god, my eyeballs are burning! hahah Grannie is horrible! lol j/k

But seriously I think it might be worthwhile to try modeling one of the skinny granny designs also. You had a couple of really good ones in your sketches.

Is sonny going to get a prince albert?

03 March 2005, 04:29 AM
I really like what I'm seeing. But then again, I'm a bit twisted. =) Great stuff man.

Also, I really hope that there won't be any pc or ethics issues with this entry and that people can tolerate some cartoony nudity.

03 March 2005, 07:50 PM (

ok ...her s the grandma's updated aiding i dunno the name it's called Pi in greek
because it is Pi shaped (the letter ..u know the one that is something like :

03 March 2005, 07:52 PM (

i tried to remodel the grandma
using another concept ...i am not
so satisfied with the result ...
i have to add eyebrows and change a bit the face...
anyway i'll try again ....

03 March 2005, 08:18 PM (

oh i forgot this is the wireframes

03 March 2005, 08:24 PM
Ahh - she's georgeous! I think you should put pearls in her ears - as a small sign of vanity :)

03 March 2005, 12:42 AM
Grannie is so HOT!

03 March 2005, 12:54 AM
great model.. i just dont like the texture.. c ya !

03 March 2005, 06:32 AM
hey she is hot isnt she ;)

...i was thinking of using more detailed modeled props for her and for Robert..

gra7 : there is no texture man

04 April 2005, 10:58 PM
It's funny. I love your style! Keep going and show me more please!

Good luck

04 April 2005, 07:25 PM
hey John, if you ever thought I wont be coming here to critizise... you were wrong! heheheh just joking, Im Beatriz, remember me? I see you daily :twisted:

I like your idea, its so punk, a little freaking too :thumbsup: and very original.
and youre doing great with the modeling.

But I disagree with you boys... shes not hot, HE IS!

04 April 2005, 12:46 AM
Creepiness. It reminds me of Ren and Stimpy gone way to far.

I do like the little Grandma slippers. And pearl earrings would be a good touch. Large pearl earrings, mother of pearl like earrings that are so ridiculously huge and fake.

04 April 2005, 01:23 AM
I cann't stop looking at your work it's truely funny and very good at the same time just keep it up..... I'll have to come back and see your update on this..:thumbsup:

handsonfire 3d master and severant

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