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03 March 2005, 06:05 PM
Melody Waller has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

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Latest Update: Coloring WIP: dead indian (

So I've been working on the dead indian... so i thought i would post...still needs more work, but it's looking better than it did
seriously, c&c is much appreciated even if it is i hate it

03 March 2005, 06:07 PM
Well this is kind of for fun... good luck to everyone who entered...I salute you all...
And I will be happy if I can just get an image completed and done on time for this challenge :)

03 March 2005, 07:28 PM (

My concept in short, is about a homeless man and his dog. This is my first concept sketch for this and as such, I\\\'m not sure if I am headed in the right direction or not. In this I was thinking about trying to portray the lonliness, hopeless, and dispair of the master and the contrasting optomistic, sensitive, supportiveness of the servant. And overall, the reality of this scinerio. I\\\'d love to know what people are thinking about this concept, etc..

03 March 2005, 07:44 PM
I do like your concept, next to the master servant theme you portray other subjects, interesting. It's probably not your intention and it is offcourse your first quick sketch, but IMO the man looks like he's dead, could be very interesting though, the servant trying to wake up his dead master.

good luck to you

03 March 2005, 08:05 PM
Welcome! I like the form of the dog -- a nice figure sketch. Your characters appear to be companions now rather than servant and master since neither is taking control here. I'd like to see how they interact otherwise -- does the dog stay with the master because master has food or offers protection? Is it sheer loyalty? Have they always been homeless?

03 March 2005, 12:25 AM (

Just got my scanner up and running...woo hooo...! Here are some more doodle-like concept sketches. I am really starting to take a much more serious approach to most people's that I've seen. This is about abuse and domination. ...I haven't completely decided if I want to narrow it to domestic violence, war abuse, etc... I don't know if I will stay on this path or not...need to do more sketching.

03 March 2005, 12:26 AM
sorry it's so light, still learning scanner. Hooked it up last night actually. :)

03 March 2005, 06:50 AM (

Well, I just have too many ideas running around in my head for this...that\'s all there is to it. So, I\'m not sure if I am settleing on this one or not... I don\'t know if I can handle the previous topic:\'s so depressing that it might be too graphic and such for my taste.... so this is the oposite. In this the lady is the master. She is very wealthy and thusly somewhat bored with life. There are two servants in this. One is an animal (possibly a kitten, haven\'t decided yet) whom she is playing with, with one hand. The other is her man-servant/slave (?) whom she is allowing to kiss her other hand. However, she seems to care more about the animal (kitten) then him, however even so she seems slightly bored. He kisses her hand not out of love, but of duty while the animal plays with her happily (i think).

03 March 2005, 06:27 PM (

decisions, decisions, decisions...if you haven't caught on by now, I'm a very indecisive person. Anyways, I think I like this idea the best so far. I think I would like to do something based in reality really which is really the problem with the last one I posted. So this one I went with the enslavement of Native Americans. So this is like a "battle scene" where the calvary (backed by government) is the master coming in and wiping them out for the most part and "putting them in their place". I think this one is a good senthysis of the ideas in my head... and I think it would be fun to work up. I'm thinking along the styles of Delacroix, Rubens, and Carvaggio (hope those are spelled right).

03 March 2005, 06:55 PM
yeh looks very interesting.

maybe make the horse more dynamic,have a stronger line of action!

03 March 2005, 03:59 AM (

Just playing around with colors and things... should be working on a different project that is due on Tues. but can't bring myself to for some reason... But I do feel in the mood to work on this. :)

03 March 2005, 05:11 AM (

just another color test/study...trying to work stuff out still

03 March 2005, 05:24 AM
good old horse ( indeed it seems young here :) )

03 March 2005, 08:54 AM

You've got lots of nice ideas. Hope you finish them all.
good luck.


03 March 2005, 09:02 AM
love the ideas, i'm sure ur gonna do sum kickass artwork


04 April 2005, 10:13 PM
You're definitely adept at drawing horse. And I'm glad you have more than one idea. You're figure drawings are very good as well. They hint at a lot of talent. I wouldn't commit to a single piece until it just takes off. Try to work and develop them until one starts to steam ahead or capture your imagination/motivation. Good luck.

04 April 2005, 12:11 AM
very classical way to approach. the horse lets expect a great work. keep it up and have much fun n good luck:thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 01:25 AM
Thanks for your comments everyone. I am currently so overrun with work I have had absolutely no time to work on this, which saddens me greatly. Hopefully I can get some progress made this week. I want to focus on composition, mood, and expression more. I'm not satisfied with it quite yet. So I think I'll be doing some research in the library and try to get the poses more dynamic as well as the expression and mood a bit more intense.

04 April 2005, 06:44 AM
Honestly I loved your first concept you started out with. Just as I read through so many scenes just popped through my mind. I couldn't help recall the dogs I would see around those that are asking for help or fod in the streeets. The contrasting of the painful pleed of the man for how much he is starving and the joyful look on the face of the dog as to him it is not a bumb standing right next to him, nor a lost case. The dog just loves the guy and unconditionally, and all he see's is a delay before the next time they play together.

It is a great tisk that you decided to not go on with it.

On the other hand I love your latest aswel. It would be very fitting to bring up the unjust situation that was brought upon the natives.

Your going for a very impressive selection of 'touchy' subjects. But with a much more mature approuch than a few I have unfortunately came across in this challange. It is a pity that you are so busied with work. It would be great to have seen some more updates turn out. Your colouring is fantastic.

Good luck!!


04 April 2005, 07:50 PM (

Ok, so I've worked on the composition more, and i think this is an improvement. I've lowered the eyelevel and tried to make the positions more dynamic. I scanned this and uped the contrast so you could see it better. I'd love some opinions...and hopefully I can get to some line art soon.

04 April 2005, 09:40 PM (

Line art is\'s done in a bit of a hurry, but this stage really isn\'t too critical because in my process no line art is in the final it all gets painted over. So this is just like a road map telling me where to go. There is still some stuff in here that isn't set in stone and I may change it as I color it. This is all I have time for today. Oh and the top one is just a close up of the overall which is the lower one in case you were confused.
edit: i just noticed that the lft front foot (the farthest one away) of the horse that is blown up is just wrong...will correct later. And I forgot to mention earlier that the light grey shading stuff is just to show lighting concept.

04 April 2005, 04:23 PM
I like the theme your going for alot and your drawing in excellent. I saw you mention you were going for a ruben's type style and I think you really hit on it with the rearing horse. I think it would be more evocative and have a neater composition if you could have the Natives horse falling/sliding almost underneath the hooves of the dominant horse, And have some interaction between the two horses eyes so not only the rider's are master and servant but the two horses are master and servant too.

04 April 2005, 04:35 PM
WHat's up,

Nice sketches. I love your theme too. The movements of your horses are very expressive and realistic, which merges and strenghtens your storytellin. I can't wait to see your progress too and hope you post more.


04 April 2005, 04:58 PM
He-Hey.. An update!!

Things are getting pretty active in your lay-out!
I can't help but reffer to a study from one of the most greatest masters, Da Vinci: Battle Of Anghiari! And that can only mean good!
The dynamism and action has been very well captured all through out.

I KNOW this is just a sketch, and I am more than sure you are going to fit things in better. But at some points the proportions of the guys riding the horses and the horses don't exactly match up. The same thing goes to the depth of the scene with the foreground/background proportions.
But putting that aside. I think you have captured some serious curves in your work.

I would really like to see the fine tunnings


04 April 2005, 02:26 AM (

tiny update...just playing with some colors...not too terribly exciting...but i wanted to do something with this today and this is all i had time to do...anyways I'd love some feedback on this. I do have one i like better out of these but i will save my opinion on this so it won't affect what people say.
sorry if this is a boring update. :)
edit: wow that looks soo pixelly...ah well.

04 April 2005, 04:31 AM
I Like 3rd one down. but then I'm working of a laptop.

04 April 2005, 07:57 PM
Great horse drawings!


04 April 2005, 11:05 AM
I think I would like to see you figure things out in the general atmosphere of the second one; or actually also the last one which seems like a sort of overlay of the first and the second.
I would actually want to see some pale and cold colours introduced. But definately with the 'redrock' feel of the second.

I am sure you have already gone way to far on your project, so.. Well will just have to see how you get things out.


04 April 2005, 04:22 AM (

Oh my...I have been so stressed, overworked, sick and haven't had hardly any time to work on this. It's tragic really. So I feel like I am really behind in this and I don't know if I can get it done in time, but I'm gonna try. So anyways, here's what I've done on and off for the past whatever...thought my thread at least deserved an update. :p

04 April 2005, 05:24 AM
nice horsies... good work mate keep them updates comming.

04 April 2005, 11:50 PM
Impressive. :applause:
I really like the classical look.
More! More! More! :)

04 April 2005, 06:52 PM
Very, very good.

Waiting to see how the rest come together.


04 April 2005, 05:09 AM
Cool. I haven't seen you update in a while, but this is looking good. I like the painting quality of it. It has a very pastel kinda style. The horses are looking great. I would love to see this finish.


04 April 2005, 03:37 AM (

Yeah, kind of a mess right now...things just haven't gone in a straight line ...nor have they gone as planned really. *crosses fingers

04 April 2005, 03:56 AM
I really think that's looking good. I can definately understand what's going on and i really dig that pastelly quality to it. I see what brush you are using, but just the way you execcute those brush strokes, really nice. :thumbsup:
Be checking back again later.


04 April 2005, 01:21 AM (

adjusting stuff...trying to get stuff back on track...coming a bit slow... c&c much appreciated!!!

04 April 2005, 11:57 PM (

So I've been working on the dead indian... so i thought i would post...still needs more work, but it's looking better than it did
seriously, c&c is much appreciated even if it is i hate it

04 April 2005, 12:43 AM
Hi Melody,

Your painting has a classical feel to it, I like it.
I think you horses look great, but the anatomy of the human figures could use more attention I think. Maybe you should use some ref, I don't know if you do, but google around and I'm sure you'll find some indians/cavalry on horseback.
The horse on the ground (body) looks small compared to the other two horses.
I also can't tell what's going on between the cavalryman and the indian.

Nevertheless, great job!

05 May 2005, 10:08 PM
Well, thanks for commenting everyone...i think i'm pulling out of the context...
I HAVE NO TIME!!! *cries... yeah... i gues that is just how it goes sometimes. With the deadline approaching and me no where near finished, and not a lot of free time on the horizon...I see no hope. But I will say, I have learned quite a bit from participating in the contest thus far and that was really my main goal since I am really a beginner/learner person. And I will say it is a great privaledge to watch everyone else's submitions progress as I have learned a great deal from that as well.... plus it's inspiring. Anyways, if I had time I would definately finish... and I haven't decided yet if I'll still finish this piece for fun, or just let it die, or maybe take pieces of it to create something different... yeah...don't know...i'm way too indecisive.

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