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03 March 2005, 04:56 PM
Bryce has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (

Latest Update: Final Coloring: diety (

Here is the latest. I just have to finish coloring and do some minor adjustments to the contrast.

03 March 2005, 06:51 PM
I will have some stuff up by tomorrow. Let me lay some concepts tonight. good luck to everyone.

03 March 2005, 06:53 PM
cool,i'll check back tommoraz

03 March 2005, 04:50 AM (

Here are the sketches that I have done last night. They are real loose. I want some insight on which one I should do.

03 March 2005, 05:21 AM
Let me explain some the concepts I have laid:

Top left:

I thought it would be cool to do a rat wrangler type guy who is leading an army of rats to who knows where.

Bottom Left:

This one that I am feeling that will have the most impact on my viewers. There is a deity that is on top of this monolithic structure and there is a mass of people that is bowing down before it. I would really like to do this one but there are others too.

Top right:

This is the first idea that I came up with. I like the struggle between good and evil. This is something that I go through every day (money, sex, women you know the deal), trying to stay on top of my game and not let any distractions come my way. I wanted one side of the image to be warm and the other side to be cool. But, right now I am undecided.

Bottom right

I like this one as well. I like the fact that the computer is trying to make its user a slave to it, which is kind of ironic because we all here at cgtalk, I'm pretty sure of this, are slaves to our own computers. Thats it for now. I just want some feedback to see which one everyone likes to see done. If not, I will do the one that I feel will have the most impact in telling a story.

03 March 2005, 10:42 PM (

I think I want to do this one. A lot of people at school really felt this one to be the most powerful so I will do this one. For me, I think this one will satisfy me on a spiritual level.

03 March 2005, 10:46 PM
I want to do some line work before I get carried away with the painting. I want to do some extra stuff to the monolith and I want to get the clouds more accurate with the perspective. I gonna have to pull some reference.

03 March 2005, 09:19 PM
I think I want a mixture of Baptist Christians prayer and Muslims in prayer to this divine light.

03 March 2005, 09:54 PM (

here is one guy that I plan on having in the foreground of the image to frame the image. Slowly but surely I will have my line work finished, I finals that I have to do for class.

03 March 2005, 01:03 AM
hi beelow,
the idea with the big tower is nice.. i like the vortex..

good luck!:thumbsup:

03 March 2005, 06:05 AM
Hi Beelow

Good studies! Keep up the good work!


04 April 2005, 10:04 PM (

I started coloring. I am not very far into it but I guess I will have to work more into it to get hyped. All the competitors I have seen have been keeping pumped to keep at it. Well, here goes.

04 April 2005, 07:51 PM (

I am currently working on the color, but I am unsatisfied with it. I guess I just gotta keep at it some please respond

04 April 2005, 08:01 PM
nice angle dude...

I liked more the white then yellow on the center... it would be a kind of dodge... made by tha light created by the energy... or the God that was entering on the tower

04 April 2005, 08:05 PM
So there is supposed to be person? (deity) at the top of the monolith? Of course it will be hard to be seen in the picture. So people will end up thinking they worship the monolith instead.

Possible color choices depends on what kind of tower is it? Is it made of metal or rock?
Is the sun directly behind the tower? Or is the deity glowing? Is it night or day?

Dont really have any cool ideas for your picture. So im just wishing you lots of luck :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 08:19 PM
Currently I think you're colour choices are to drab. The image is very flat because of this. I do the same thing all the time. you should split you're comp up into 3 parts. Back, mid and foreground. I'd either make the foreground the darkest, keeping the mid lighter and the background lighter. Or mix it up. But thinking like that should add more depth to it. I have the same tendency when I work to flatten everything too.

04 April 2005, 11:02 PM
Yeah colors are kind of booty. I will try to fix them. I just show my teacher wassup so he gave me a few hints to give the image depth because I want the focus to be on the monolith. He suggested that I either blur out stuff in forground or in the background. I probably going to tighten up the clouds some more to give that depth and work on the monolith.

04 April 2005, 05:28 AM
Hiya come over to see what you are up to, Nice idea will be back to check on updates :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 10:07 PM (

I did some work last night just trying to set the mood and go back and fix some things. It's starting to look better. I still haven't worked some of the errors out, though.

04 April 2005, 08:56 AM
the composition is good, and the colours are great!

drawing is like crack...I CAN'T STOP DOING IT!!! - I AGREE!

04 April 2005, 09:04 AM
LOOK UP IN THE SKY , its a bird, its a plane, no its... LOOKING GREAT SO FAR:thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 09:25 PM
thanx for the comments guys. right now I trying work on giving the illusion of scale.

04 April 2005, 10:50 PM
I want to get a nice texture on the monolith. Can anyone give me any tips, anyone?

04 April 2005, 11:05 PM
I would think a light tone to set off the mood for the monolith could contrast real well with the sky......I like the compo angle and the drama.....:arteest:

04 April 2005, 11:20 PM
Hi beelow

Great point of view:thumbsup:

quote : I want to get a nice texture on the monolith
Remember the black monolith in 2001 Space Odissey : it has no reflection, no texture but it's very impressive. If you want to focus on the deity on the top of the monolith, maybe you must concentrate on the deity itself ?

About the depth, Gamoron is right : it's easier to work when you've split the space in 3 parts.

Keep going on



04 April 2005, 11:30 PM
:D thanks spacenail and Virtuoso I will take your suggestion into account lets see what I can do tonight.

04 April 2005, 03:50 AM
Hi mate, just came to watch your progress and wish you fun and best luck. for the all over composition, it would help to get more power into your work to tone down the all over light. and then, the swirl comes much more to effect. for the monolyth, make yourself clear about the material and its source. is it ancient, made of old stones. is it alien and made of an unknown material. to have a more dramatic lightsetup, think of a thunderstorm, the light it has before the thunder rolls. dark, pushing, electric. very hard highlights, a greeneish yellow that hurts the eye dark clouds are crowding the sky and are making a surreal ballet of a lava bleeding skydome... to help depht, try think of how athmosphere will be, decent fog and soften contrasts help the illusion of making distance. the distant colors could be a little deaturated or... tinted in the athmosphere you choose. i see a strong backlight trowing hard highlights and a dark mystic tower. and worshipers in extasy, for their prophecy fulfills...
keep on going. looking forward to your progress Bryce, keep it up!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 06:57 AM
I want to get a nice texture on the monolith. Can anyone give me any tips, anyone?

Like an indian god or cambodigian (sorruyi fur spielling.Me no good at it.Angelina you must work a little more for that country...Anybody seen my baby?...) temple texture should right fit in it. I think you should add some forest maybe near the temple?

Best Luck...

04 April 2005, 07:22 AM

If you want the tower to feel larger and more far away, try to decrease the contrast between it and the sky. That way it will read better in the distance. Take a look at the mountains that surround the school. Look at how the shadows in the distance don't read as black but rather as a gray.

If you lighten the tower, decrease the contrast and saturation, it will have the qualities you're looking for.

04 April 2005, 12:27 PM
are u working in photoshop? if yes then u should try using, and mixing up some of those texture brushes, i have started using them recently..but i still need some time to learn more of them. i think nebezial is able to help u. i sent him a post, and he gave me suggestions for my work.

04 April 2005, 01:35 PM
ok here goes, dude u cant have textures, why ? the answer is really simple, CUZ ITS TOO DAMN FAR!!!
having said that we conclude it doesnt really matter what the monolith is made of. so what do u do ?
simplify it, make that atmosphere work For u . the top cant be so dark, yes there is sun and yes there is contrast but also there is a serious density of humidity in the air, make the tower gradiently coloured from orange reddish on the top to cobalt in the bottom, now in the next layer overlay some light effects, the light thru the clouds is verry appealing, sharpen it, the highlights on this one must be clear, cuz the light is direct and from above! now select the whole second plan with tower and people and make a layer and on it drop some gradients. if even then u need texturing then drop by on my thread ill post some quicktexturing tuts.
later man:thumbsup:

THE Wizard
04 April 2005, 09:47 PM
Sweet, dude!:) I like the Idea, and the vortex too!

04 April 2005, 02:28 AM
thanx everyone let me try some more stuff tonight. Welcome it is nice to see you here, and I see that you have entered the master and servant contest. Good luck, to you.:D

04 April 2005, 03:54 PM
this is a wonderful image... but i am not sure if it fits into the treditional master/servant category... but yea that's just my 2 cents... i love the idea i am pretty sure i have a version of this thing somewhere in my sketches too... :thumbsup: so keep it comming.

04 April 2005, 10:12 AM
Is there any beelow here ? Youhou ?

04 April 2005, 04:54 PM
The whole monolith thing... have you considered making it a statue of a person? That way it would seem more like 'master and servant' rather than an object that regular people have a hard time relating to.

Avoid texture on objects in the distance. These objects should only have low contrast shadow shapes. Look at Maxfield Parrish's illustrations or Bierdstadt's paintings. Follow the light logic that you see in those pieces. Objects that are close will have high contrast and full saturation. Objects in the distance will be low constrast and less saturated.

Keep all you textures in objects that are close to camera.

Remember those two statues in Lord of the Rings? Look at the qualites of those statues. Even if you keep it as a non-descript monolith, it should have characteristics that imply scale.

04 April 2005, 08:22 PM
Yeah, Sheff, I have thought of that. But, I thought that would be too generic, because you see what force is there and a lot of people are doing that in this contest but have different drawings and different ideas, wayway different, some strange and errie...ooooooo scary. I like the idea of presence, like God in the Holy Bible. I think it is more glorious.
I extended the canvas to get in more elements like lighting (I am considering other forces) to show its present, but you can not see him/her/it or whatever this force is. I this master to show its strength and not who it is doing the work. In reality, I believe there is a force at work that is running things. I do not want to offend anyone or anything like that. I wanted to create the tower pertaining to the story of the Tower of Babel. Judging from what information that I have got from all of you I think that I will do minimal changes to the monolith and focus on the relationship of the people with the Diety and the tower is just an extra element to communicate their relationship. thanx Sheff, Spacesnail, Slav, THE Wizard, nebezial, calisto, kaleith, the1st_angel, Virtuoso and others that I have not mention because I can't see your names here while I am typing because I am too slow and too lazy to go find out those! Keep posting.:D

Spacesnail-Also, I've been buzy with school and work so bear with me spacenail. I have a Visual Effects class Modeling an Texturing class and Pre-Production team. So that means a lot of 3d and plus I work. Yeah, smart huh? But, I will get this done. Yur work inspires me to work more so I will do so...holla:D

04 April 2005, 08:54 PM
cool,i'll check back tommoraz

la la la la :D bad

*a week later*

colours are looking fine.

listen to nebezial,he knows what he is on about.

04 April 2005, 09:06 PM (

Here is the next step. I took some you guys suggestions and it helped alot. I still want to make some changes to get this looking right. Just gotta keep working at it. Don't mind the characters, I am going to shoot some reference shots at home for those. I want to be accurate with the way the cloth lays and I am also thinking about making the attire that the people are wearing blow in the wind, to add to the strength of the piece. My head hurts from all of this

04 April 2005, 02:07 PM
Hi beelow

good progression !
About the horizontal format, I'm not quite sure it's wise.
You're planning to depict some kind of deity, which suppose to look at the skies.:wise:
The horizontal top border catch the eye and stop the ascension. So imho, you should keep it vertical.
About the lightings, shouldn't they hit the tower ?

Keep going on:thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 08:56 AM
Nice progression......You know bryce.....I agree with spacesnail on the format....I too think you should give this a vertical format.....for all the reason's he mentioned.......I like where you are going,the idea,all of it,the execution of your work........just also think vertical is the way.....Anyways keep it coming,best of luck to you.....:arteest:

04 April 2005, 07:11 PM
OK, I will make the change to vertical format. I also, may some changes to the clouds by making them darker, but I saved the wrong file at home. I don't have internet access at home to make the post so I will have to hold it off till tomorrow. Thanx, Spacesnail and Virtuoso.

04 April 2005, 07:55 PM
This is such a cool entry! (I'm gunna have to start to post on people's work that I DON'T like lol... so hard to find any though!)

The second I looked at this one I thought "If Jesus does decide to pop down for a quick visit again... this is what it will look like.."

The only thing I can say... is that, I greatly prefered the other tower!... I think the new one looks like a giant stone trifle, lol... I think you should do the other one again... or even.. a very uneven pice of huge rock... almost like a mountain but not if you know what I mean.

As for your concept regarding a presence as opposed to a visible entity... It is by far the most original angle I've seen in this entry type so far!:bowdown: They are servants to that which they can't even see and have been for centuries before this phenomenon even occurs!! They are servants, willingly so, to their faith and in that which they worship!! Love it! I'm eating a bag of crisps right now and this picture is actually improving the crisp enjoyment experience lol :rolleyes:

Please please please change the tower back:sad:

Keep it special

04 April 2005, 10:54 PM
Thanx, JimmiMak. I am glad that you like mines in paticular. I tell you what I will do 2 different versions and see which one everyone likes better. I still have to adjust the canvas. I still have not yet got around to doing that. I am trying to get this 3dmodel out the way for my Preproduction Team class Final.

04 April 2005, 05:46 PM (

Yeah, this is the one I meant to upload a while ago. I have not worked on since then. So, I will be making those changes that everyone has asked for. Well, here goes.

04 April 2005, 11:21 PM
I like the way you put on your concept into a huge location and those camera angle...
it makes your story more adorable! Good job :scream: :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 12:01 AM (

Here is the next phase in my painting. Still having problems wtih realism and trying to give the illusion of scale. I guess I have to do the people in the background and may do some tree to help this out. But here goes.

04 April 2005, 08:39 PM
I have yet to take photo reference of the people and for the clothes. I will post something next week. I will do the old compositon and try to see what is better compositionally.

04 April 2005, 06:00 PM
Before you get too much into detail dude. Just get loose and flesh out the scene more. Don't be afraid to do things. Concept out the monolith some more. Trees would look good or maybe soft mountains in the background.

04 April 2005, 03:08 PM
Thanks Gamoron, I will do so. holla.

04 April 2005, 09:03 PM
I am still not liking it. I still have to work the background to make it visually appealling. I am thinking about raising the monolith up and surround it with a city. what do you think guys?:shrug:

05 May 2005, 11:48 PM
Don't count me out yet guys. I had a lot of midterms to do I will have something to post either by tomorrow or Saturday. So keep hitting me up yall'll show some love:D

05 May 2005, 04:27 PM
looking realy nice.:thumbsup:
love ur cloud and lighting.:buttrock:

05 May 2005, 08:12 PM
Damn, I have the file with me at school, but it is a bad riff file so I can't open it,!:banghead:

I'll post tomorrow.

05 May 2005, 02:11 PM
Ya cloud is too heavy and massive man! the cobalt violet there and white(titanium white) is too heavy to make a cloud. I think, getting the color from photo and study from them is the one fine way. check ya cloud perspective too if you use the distort perspective the cloud is the hardest thing here, stroking in the right direction relate with perspective is the key to make them feel.

Keep going man, CHEERS!!

05 May 2005, 11:40 PM (

Since I have not submitted a line art this will be it. Just call me a dumbass for not doing it. But, here is a later stage in the development of diety. Here I really took in account of all of the suggestions of everyone and am liking it a lot more. I extended the canvas even more and moved the servants down so I can give the illusion of scale which seems to be working now.
Fiduciose, I am still playing with the clouds as of now. I took like a whole bunch of reference of them. I will get them done and done right. Thanks fid for your insight. Well, here it is so far. holla back.

05 May 2005, 07:09 PM
I will post one by the end of this week. I will try to bang this one out within this week. I'll holla

05 May 2005, 10:09 PM
I will have something on tonight. holla

05 May 2005, 01:58 AM
looking good work.:thumbsup:
the cloud is better now.
i think the tower in the midst need more curve to make better approach and not too strong.
and it also relate to the cloud and row of trees.
good luck my friend.:)

05 May 2005, 02:27 AM (

I just got a great idea from one of my buddies and I was wondering what everyone thinks about having towering water going into the sky instead of a tower? Let me know what you think. Well here is the latest that I have done for you guys and gals. I am going to cut this one close. Hopefully I finish just in time...please respond...holla!

05 May 2005, 02:54 AM
beelow: Interesting concept you have there. I like the idea of the water, but I think you should tone down the color of the water just a bit or make it less bright as you move away from the vortex in the sky.

Have you thought of perhaps putting in a subtle form of a diety inside the tower of water? It would lend a very ominous feel to the picture, but will be tricky to execute. Just an idea. Take it or leave it.

So far, I like what you've done. Keep up the good work and burn that midnight oil to get it done.


05 May 2005, 03:18 AM
excellent idae for the water.and nice vortex.:thumbsup:
i agree with TMArtist about the brightness of the water.
Keep up the good work.
cheer:buttrock: s.

05 May 2005, 05:10 AM
Great progression! My humble oppinion. Stick witht he tower. It seems more majestice to me. Good luck. :thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 09:35 PM
Ok, I think I am going to stick with the tower and Do the vortex and try to make a face present within the tower.(Let me think on that one) Initially I did not want a presence to be there. I want to keep to the religious theme sort of like the Moses stories, when he parted the sea or when moses talk with that little plant or something, I forget.( shame on me) But there was no figure there. I want to show power of a God that does not have to show himself. I will take it into consideration...holla!:thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 10:55 PM
I prefer the left one with the visible tower :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Keep going on


05 May 2005, 09:49 PM
I vote for the tower, the column of water doesnt make much sense to me. As far as clouds go check out Stahlberg's site, he has an awesome tutorial on clouds.

Good Luck!

05 May 2005, 11:46 PM (

Here I extented the canvas even more and started putting some detail in the background. Will post my final coloring monday.Holla.

05 May 2005, 12:13 AM
good luck to u.:D
always look forward to urs.

05 May 2005, 05:22 AM
Hey mate, sorry for the delay, i really try hard to keep up with everyones works. the last update looks great. my suggestion was to add a bit more contrast to the midground, maybe just paint a shadow pass (lumminance) in black on a new layer to tweak it in, and then, if you are satisfied, overpaint it quickly with a colorpass for having full controll of the tweaklayer :)
Keep up your great work, your piece made a wonderfull progress. Keep on rocking!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 05:00 PM
Thanks, peoples. I will post my final either tonight or tomorrow...Holla!:bounce:

05 May 2005, 01:57 AM (

Here is the latest. I just have to finish coloring and do some minor adjustments to the contrast.

05 May 2005, 02:23 AM
better finish or you will not get to eat to night... or the rest of the week :)

just kidding ... but better step on the gas around 1 : 30 hours left.

05 May 2005, 07:55 PM
That sucks I did not get to it in on time Even though I had it finished.:sad: but that's alright. I will enter the next one you can count on that. It suchks that I did not have internet at home. So see next time...holla. Good Luck to everyone!:thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 08:08 PM
oh no...:sad:
it's not fair!!u finished it in time.damn.
buddy,i'm sorry i can't help u.:cry:
ur work is great.hope to see u around next challenge.take care.:love:

05 May 2005, 08:17 PM
I will show you the final later. I'm in class right now. I am learning to use hair in Maya.:bounce:

05 May 2005, 08:31 PM
glad u hear me,buddy.will wait to see ur final.thank u.
if there some thing i can help u just tell me.always take support to u.:D

05 May 2005, 08:43 PM
Thanks, xric7 I will holla at chu lata. I hope you win the contest besto of luck to you.:thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 09:44 PM
sorry to hear that, you didnt make it eiter... :(
take it like i do: it was a great expirience and if there's no news from the admins in the next hours, I'll post my work to finnished 2d, or take it to the WIP for a finepolish...
you really went trough a huge progress mate, and i just wanted to congrat you for how far you gotten! hope to see ya finnish this, pm me or email me if you got news, so i can keep in touch and follow you :) see you soon and keep on rocking!

05 May 2005, 09:52 PM
Thanks, Sacha will do! I will keep in contact with you guys. I will be around here so I won't stray far. I think I will do some more work on this painting and get to look really awsome. I will try to post in the fnal if not, i will post in the works in progress. My buddy Laroyce should enter the next with me so look out for him, too!:thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 03:00 AM
At last you made it man! at least you can play with perspective, dont worry about the past, it's ended and cant call back any. Looking forward to the clear sky beyond the dark cloud!

Hope to see you again in next challenge.

05 May 2005, 05:15 AM
the1st_angel, OliveBeard, mosconariz, Fred76, everyone else who had trouble in the last 15 minutes of challenge time:
There was a problem for many people submitting in the last 15 minutes of the challenge. If you attempted to submit in those 15 minutes (and those 15 only!), email me ( with your username, WIP image and text, and I will upload it.

hey beelow!!:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

05 May 2005, 09:00 PM
Good Lookin' out will do so, Xric7. Hope that it is not too late.

Thanks Fiduciose- will see you next contest. Then I should pull all stunts and will be out of school by then...holla! And I love your work good luck!:thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 09:02 PM
hi beelow!

wow your learning maya... i wish i had the time to do that too.. :eek:
and don´t worry to much about the contest-thing! damn deadlines...

anyway, hope to see you around next time!!! :bounce::bounce::bounce:

05 May 2005, 10:12 PM
Yeah, although I am using 3dsMax7 right now. I like Maya too. Both have their ups and downs. But I really never look at that. I just like to create...I'll get around like!

You may not get that joke if you are not a rap listen

05 May 2005, 11:08 PM
hope everthing went fine my friend. now keep me updated and best of luck with your submission!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: see you soon!

08 August 2005, 01:05 AM
hay great work here keep it up the good work

09 September 2005, 06:39 PM
wow!! This is amazing, are you planning on finishing this? :)

09 September 2005, 11:01 PM
Cool image so far and looking very spectacular :thumbsup:

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