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03 March 2005, 03:49 PM
Andrew Dobell has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

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Latest Update: Coloring WIP: Offering Colour 6 (

Another Update. I have adjusted the colours in the image a bit so that the Tenticles look more juicey and the Outfit is not just black and white. Also worked on a few more areas.

Hoe you like it, let me know any thoughts you have.

03 March 2005, 03:51 PM
Woohoo! Good luck Andy! :D

03 March 2005, 03:52 PM
Hello there people. How are you all?

Im really excited about this and cant wait to get started on it.
Really looking forward to all your entries!

See you around!

03 March 2005, 03:52 PM
welcome andrew and good luck:thumbsup:

03 March 2005, 03:54 PM
Woohoo! Good luck Andy! :D

You too matey!

03 March 2005, 03:55 PM
welcome andrew and good luck:thumbsup:

Cheers Guy! You too!

03 March 2005, 09:06 PM
Right, sat down and got me thinking cap on.

There are so many ways I can go with this and my mind has been racing with ideas all day long. I had a look at the insperational images which seem to portray a lot of fairly iconic, yet sterotypical images.

The first thing that springs to mind is the idea of an attractive woman with a big cat of some sort (Usually a tiger, Saber Teeth and extra legs - a'la Princess of mars - optional). And I expect someone here to do some version of this. (Looking at you Aly!)

So anyway, I got thinking obout this and began to form some ideas.
As fate would have it, one idea comes from a character of mine I invented Ages ago that has a Saber Tooth Cat as a companion of hers. :shrug: Meh!

But as I said, kinda cliche so I moved on.
One thing I kept comming back to was a Sci-Fi theme. I missed the Space Opera Challenge you see, and after I joined CGTalk I wished I had joined earlier so I could have joined in with that Challenge.
You see, I love Sci-Fi and I dont get to do it often in my Art, so this might be a Perfect oppertunity to do something.

Now, this is spare time stuff, so it has to be something im going to enjoy, otherwise whats the point huh? No point if its a chore! So obviously there has to be a sexy lady in there!


Yes yes, its the old cliche again but fudge it!
The idea I have, is based on another Character I invented (I invent a lot of characters!) called Aria. Aria is a Gentically engineered warrior designed and trained as Warrior of the Far Flung Future. She pilots a Massive Mech and has a bunch of small Robot helpers!
Her Mech is sentient, as are her little Robot buddies. And im thinking of calling her Mech "SLAVE".
Hheheheh, see what I did there?
She's the master and her robot buddies are her Slaves, her servents.
Clever dont you think?
Jeez, tough audiance.:rolleyes:

Pretty simple and straight forward so far. Yup. But im going to go deeper into this and have twisty turns, but I need to nail it down more before I reveal too much.
But basically, she's going to be a Servent herself, and so the chain goes on.
You may think you are the master of your destiny, but most of us are a slave to the system somewhere along the line. And Aria was created for a purpose, she's a slave, born and bred as a slave to the Government she works for.

I'll be pulling influences from all over the place in this im sure.

Hmm, yep, I think I quite like that idea. So no nicking it!!!
Best get sketching hay!:bounce:

03 March 2005, 11:36 PM (

Hmmm, ok. I put Pencil to Paper tonight and just threw a few sketches about. And heres some of what I cane up with. Top left is one idea for the image. But by NO MEANS anywhere near a final idea.
Its not very engaging yet so I need to work on that. You can see the design for the critter in the bottom left of the image idea at the bottom of the page. In the image, the idea is that he's getting a message from the 'Suits' making sure their Servent, (the Girl) is going ont he mission without protest.

Im not settled into this idea yet, and it may change a lot yet.

Anyway, id love some feedback on the concept please. Am I way of base here with this?

Cheers Guys!

03 March 2005, 11:37 PM
And heres some images of the Girl!

03 March 2005, 11:52 PM
I love the look of your big headed beasties! You do big/powerful so well! Yours has got a narrative which I really want to see develop... go go! It's almost like you need a panel format to tell it...

03 March 2005, 08:38 AM
Cheers Aly

Well, im off to visit Family for Easter and will be taking my sketchbook with me so hopefully I'll come beck with a bunch of sketches to upload next week.

See ya then.

03 March 2005, 11:37 AM (

Well Hello there!
Im back after my Easter Break and today I got the chance to have a little doodle. My good intentions of working on this during my Visit home got kinda sidetracked, but never mind. I can get back into it now.

So heres another little concept sketch. Better more dynamic angle. Kinda cheesecakey though. Which isnt what I really want here. But we'll see. Still throwing ideas around in my head anyway.
Any comments or thoughts would be appreciated.

I like the idea of doing a sci-fi image, but I do sometimes think of doing something darker and more contempory. Hmmm, we'll see.

03 March 2005, 12:08 PM
Hey there... looking good so far. She could be escaping from being held as a servant from that machine lord! Youd have to change the compostion and fascial expressions of course... but would make for a cool pic. Maybe she could look a bit scared as she glances back over her shoulder just in time to see the machine lord falling into her trap. You could have his lare exploding as well! .... achem... sorry about that, good luck with this! - Jez

03 March 2005, 12:12 PM
No no no, dont be sorry. I like ideas been thrown at me for this as its not set in stone yet.
Thanks for the comments, I will have a think on it.

03 March 2005, 09:20 PM (

Right! Here we go. Im much happier with this one!
A More interesting image, better dynamic, just generally better.
I like the idea of having the girl on the bike, ready to Zip off towards the Huge Mech, thrusters blasting the ground beneath her whipping up the dust and debris on the ground all about her.
Adds a sense of urgency to the whole thing which I like.
Other bits and bobs will be added no doubt, but I think this will be the basic composition.

Please let me know what you guys think. Any ideas for composition, dynamic etc etc.

03 March 2005, 09:29 PM
'Ey oop! Technically this is going great Andy, but I'm not sure what the relationship between the girl and the Mech actually is... who is the master/mistress? Is she its servant or is the big beastie slave to her whim? Hows about having them (her) more facing the viewpoint, perhaps it reaching out to her with a long grasping hand...? Hmmm... thought I'd run that up the flagpole and see if anyone saluted... Stick it out on the backporch and see if the cat licks it up.... Put it... THWACK!

03 March 2005, 10:01 PM
Yeah, I see what your getting at here.

Hmmm, well, she is the pilot of the Mech and thus its slave to her.
But how to suggest that? Of course I can write "Mech Pilot" on her suit somewhere but thats being a bit obvious maybe. In addition to what you see on there, I am planning to have a few little 'Bots', little guys flying around her that help her out doing stuff. So they would be servents to her as well.

Hmmm, just had a think. I could give her, and the little robots I will be putting in, various guns and such, and have the Mech in the background wreaking all kinds of havoc. The Girl etc would be pointing off to it, getting ready to take it down town to china town.

*Reaches for thinking cap*

04 April 2005, 09:30 PM (

Well, yes, this is a little bit of a left tun at the Traffic lights. I know.
But anyway, my other image wasnt really capturing my imagination, my heart wasnt in it really. So I nixed it on the head.
So, did some thinking.

This is what I came up with, something much darker and more my style.
Here we see a Woman who has sold her soul to a Lovecraftian type Elder Darkness in ruturn for Power, power to weild magic and do her masters bidding.

A clearer take on the whole master servent thing then my last idea, and something I can get my teeth into.

I love doing darker images like this so this should be better for me.

Any suggestions on pose or composition before I go further would be appreciated.

I know its been a while since my last update. I've been busy. Hopefully I will get time to see this through though.
Bye for now!

04 April 2005, 12:36 PM
Excellent concept so far. This actually got me thinking about a movie I like - Road to Eldorado if you've seen that one. At one point in that movie, a huge stone cat (I think it was a cat) is brought to life, and its master controls it by mimicking the moves he wants it to make.

Like, lifting his hand and stomping it down, and it does the same. I'm not entirely sure, but I was thinking -- it would be sort of neat to have something like that going on here. Maybe her lifting her hand, clawlike, and the 'servant' doing the exact same in unison with her.

Good luck, I'm looking forward to the next update :]

(edit - spelling)

04 April 2005, 01:13 PM
Hmmm, interesting idea Linda. I have a few other idea for positioning and composition, I need to mess about with it a bit more, but keep checking back, your input is hugely appreciated.

Many thanks!

04 April 2005, 02:02 PM (

OK, still with the theme of a girl selling her Soul to an Elder God, here we have a concept Sketch that I did yesterday.
Now the girl is in the process of selling her soul to her god. The master having being summoned to this plane by the girl reaches through to her while she offers herself to him.
It needs a little work, but im happy with this composition.

04 April 2005, 02:07 PM (

OK, this I did today. I have redone the image on a new sheet of paper and basically tightened it up.
You can see that the girl is wearing some kind of PVC Fetish Outfit, just for kicks obviously, and we can see the Tenticles of the "Master" reaching for her. I plan to have some kind of eerie glow from the Circle, the backgroud will be largely dark but with shadowy creatures creeping towards the girl.

Suggestions and ideas are welcome, but im pretty focused on this one as the final idea now so no more major changes now.

What do people think?

04 April 2005, 09:47 PM
Hi Andy, I think I prefer the last one... The creature with the red eyes... You could do something cool with that. The large figure behind could be almost disappearing into the dark, with a suggestion of its bulk in the shadows. The girl could be much more visible, with some carefully place dramatic lighting. And do what Enayla suggested with the mimicing. She could be reaching out at us with a grasping hand or gesturing in some way, and the behemoth behind could be copying the gesture, very much her servant... In her outstretched hand could be a ball of light like you've done, or a jewel, that is mirrored in the colour and style of the creatures eyes... this is the controling power... The arms reaching out could then be hightlighted by the stronger light, as they reach into it! I dunno... might work... :)

04 April 2005, 02:06 PM (

Thanks for the imput Aly. Its much appreciated. But im going to be stubborn with this one and stick with this idea.
For two main reasons.
1. I like it. Its the concept im happiest with and i'll enjoy doing it. Which is important. And as you said to me Aly, do something you enjoy!
2. I need to get going with it. I dont want to be going back to the drawing board again. I need to get to work on something otherwise it'll never get done.

I hope you will continue offering your advice and ideas!

So heres the image with the base colours laid down. I have some ideas about where this will head, but we have lots of time yet.

Any thoughts anyone?

04 April 2005, 02:33 PM
Excellent! This one was cool too, I just liked the last! What I reckon with this one though... is how about giving us more at the top. The creature (master/servant) is only suggested with the tentacles, so perhaps we could see more of the slimy beastie hanging over her by opening up the composition to make this more apparent. :shrug:

04 April 2005, 03:08 PM
Heheheheh, funny you should say that as thats one of the things I will be doing with this.
Great minds think alike hey.

Yeah, I will be pushing the girl lower and have more tenticled beasty in it. Also, Im thinking of adding a big nasty looking eye in the hole in the floor where the other tenticles are comming from.

Cheers again fella!

04 April 2005, 08:42 PM
tenticle action right here!

the earlier sketches have an apple seed feel to em... keep going mate!

04 April 2005, 08:55 PM
Dont worry, I will. And yes, Appleseed and Shirows work in genral was the insperation for those early concepts!


04 April 2005, 08:25 PM
Hi Andrew......... well after a fraught day your concept stories have cheered me up no end! Very amusingly written and very creative. As I am sure you are aware, part of the challenge "rules" are to show the emotional link between the Master and Servant so your beast will have to exude gleefulness/cunning/satiation etc. at having bought another soul. I like your last upload though and think it will work well. Glad there are so many UK residents taking part in this challenge. Good luck and I'll be checking back to see how you progress. :thumbsup: Claireabella

04 April 2005, 10:52 PM
Thankyou for your comments Claire. They are very much appreciated.
Im working on this image at work mainly in my dinner hour so I will be posting an update every few days most likely.

Yeah, it is one worry that your only seeing part of the master in this image, but I have a few ideas about that. Certainly your going to be able to see the emotion in the Girls face as she offers herself, body and soul, to this Elder God from the Outer Darkness! (Man, I read too much fantasy stuff!)
Anyway, yes, I shall be taking your comments into consideration as this image progresses as I need to get that emotion into the image somehow.

Check back soon.:thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 02:02 PM (

Heres an update on my image. A few details added here and there. Slowly moving forward.
Made the image taller to fit more of the Tenticles in as well.

Let me know your thoughts!

04 April 2005, 02:53 PM
ur skin shading is too dead, the colours are too dirty , try using clearer aray of saturated colours, with low opacity and changing modes between soft light and overlay, that shgould do the trick, cant wait to see how u handle organic texturing. Later:thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 03:40 PM
Thankyou nebezial, I shall see what I can do. I was thinking kinda similar things, im using a lot of black and I need to get away from it.
I have also tried to correct some of the proportions as they are off! Will update in a day or two.

04 April 2005, 06:30 AM
Cool concept but the proportions need to be adjusted. She looks very week below the arms. at first i thought she had palsey. I did not get this impression so much from the sketch, maybe more definition or exagerated perspective would remedy it. keep it up

04 April 2005, 07:51 AM
BayouBilly - Its the head mainly. And the closest hand. And the closest leg...:) Anyway, its something I worked on after posting this image. Looks better now.
Thanks for popping by though, hope you keep checking it out.

04 April 2005, 02:02 PM (

Heres what I have been doing so far. Mainly working on the Girl, She has been reworked a fair bit and it getting there. Not sure about the eyes, at the moment they are rolled back in their sockets, but Im wondering if it would be better to have them staring up at the Master.

04 April 2005, 02:10 PM (

Heres a another update. Bit more done, put some of the shapes in the background, worked on the girls outfit and the Tenticles.

Let me know any thoughts.

04 April 2005, 02:35 PM
Oo, nice skin tones - huge improvement from the dirty earlier colours. I really like the perspective at this point, neat looking down like that. How about adding some glow to the heart of the, er, tentacle-thingie - might be a nifty way of bringing in some more vibrant colours. (Like, a yellow-green reflecting from below, on her skin and her clothes).

Anyway - I love it so far :D waiting for the next update!

04 April 2005, 02:41 PM
Ooooh, Like the glow idea, I was wondering what to do with the hole!

Well, after seeing the array of spectacular artwork on show, I knew I had to do something with those skin tones.
Glad you like it!

04 April 2005, 02:43 PM
A bit strange....

The girl seems to be the master in her expression...
but the creature vegetal seems to have the power agaisnt the woman.... see the floor it is growing on her.... strange relation...

nice start anyway :)

04 April 2005, 02:49 PM
Neozoom - The girl is deffinetly the servant. She's offering her self to the Creature for her own twisted reasons. Her expression is mean to be one of "Take me, im yours!" as she waits in anticipation for whatever is to come.

That all said, im not 100% happy with her face yet, the eyes are giving me a headache.
I will bare your comments in mind though and have a think on it.
Thankyou for stopping by.

04 April 2005, 03:31 PM
Ok anarky I understand now :) and yes with a better expression face It'll be good :)
THX for precisions

04 April 2005, 05:13 AM
I'd have to say that your piece is quite provocative, I like the progress, really helpfull for the likes of me...nice shadow work...

04 April 2005, 03:53 PM
realy love your idea:bounce:
go go go

my master and servant 2d

04 April 2005, 04:27 PM
realy love your idea:bounce:
go go go

my master and servant 2d

Whoa! Thats freaky! I saw your M&S entry today for the first time and loved it so I subscribed to it. Then I come back a little later and you have posted to my Thread!

Im honored that you like it, I love your image and was staring at it for a while earlier today.
Well, keep checking back, there will be another update later in the week.

Thanks again!

04 April 2005, 02:08 PM (

Heres my latest update. Fixed the eyes which im happirer with now. Worked on the outfit and started on the Tenticles.

Hope you like it!

04 April 2005, 03:45 PM (

Another Update. I have adjusted the colours in the image a bit so that the Tenticles look more juicey and the Outfit is not just black and white. Also worked on a few more areas.

Hope you like it, let me know any thoughts you have.

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