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03 March 2005, 03:40 PM
Egil Paulsen has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

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I am the good shepherd.
The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep
The hired hand is not the shepherd who owns the sheep
The hired hand runs away
because he is a hired hand
and cares nothing for the sheep
I am the good shepherd
(John 10)

Give the hungry their bread
and they will follow you
Serve a scapegoat on the table
and they will only worship you
if only you know seen the truth
then your followers will believe you blindly

The first impression of this picture might be a sense of blasphemy, but that wasn’t meant to be. I am inspired by the relationship between the master and the servants’ history in the western world with religion as a strong factor of power. I am inspired by Christianity as power.

If you believe in only one God, this God leads you and makes your reality. If there is only one who leads the way, there is no other way to follow. The good shepherd protects his sheep and leads them to their salvation. What makes the shepherd good, if there are no other shepherds to compare with?


03 March 2005, 03:55 PM
welcome and good luck mate:thumbsup:

03 March 2005, 04:05 PM
Good luck and draw somthing nice and cute. j/k :D

03 March 2005, 04:48 PM
I have already set up my background concept for this entry.

I am going to use religious references such as the Shepherd and the followers/believers. Religion isn't just philosophy alone, but also a tool of control. I can not find a concept more fitting than the role of the good shepherd and his followers.

This is an early illustration of the Shepherd that is willing to sacrifice his life by showing the way:

(John 10:11)
I am the good shepherd.
The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep
The hired hand is not the shepherd who owns the sheep
The hired hand runs away
because he is a hired hand
and cares nothing for the sheep
I am the good shepherd

The goater that saves our souls...
In case you wonder why does the character have six fingers on one hand. This is not a rip off from Giger's Alien designs. It's a reference to Seraphim, a religious reference. Angels were said to have six fingers on one hand.

03 March 2005, 04:59 PM
.the Servants

As for this contest, and the the concept of the Shepherd and the followers, I also like to play with who we believe in?

Ofcourse we have to believe in those who have seen with their own eyes. The one who cannot believe before he can see it with his own eyes, is not a true believer..
-Take Thomas the doubter when Jesus confronts him ( testament. holy bible)

"Among the blind ones, the one-eyed domain" - old saying.

Therefor I am going to make the servant(s) blind. The master will perhaps also have one eye, just to promote this idea..

Another pencilscetch depicting the servants eating the scapegoat that is served on the table:

Give the people bread
and they will follow you
Serve a scapegoat on the table
and they will only worship you
if only you have seen the truth
then your followers will believe you blindly

Illustration of christianity as a religion and its history of demonizing the freethinkers.
I aim to the witches, alchemists and even rock stars. Isn't it just lovely to have somebody to hate? Someone to feed on?

03 March 2005, 05:03 PM
VEry nice :) and good luck

03 March 2005, 05:08 PM
nice sketches - like the two-fingered pose on the first one :)

03 March 2005, 05:22 PM
This should be most of my background material for now..

btw, thanks for the welcome! :)

04 April 2005, 11:15 PM (

A very quick sketch!
As I have posted in my thread, I am taking this in a religious direction, using the metaphor of the sheeps and the good shepherd. However I try to use irony as I present the servants as blind humans dressed in sheepwool. I wish i had more time to do this

04 April 2005, 04:59 PM
Cool and creative, good luck.

04 April 2005, 08:06 PM (

Ahhh help me! Im trying to make a good combination of colors so that I got a good palette to work with.

any suggestions? how is this so far?

This scetch is something closer to what I am going to paint. Im not sure about the pose yet

04 April 2005, 08:12 PM
ringlord: thanks for dropping by :) and for the encouraging.. I wish I had more time for this :sad:

04 April 2005, 08:36 PM
how is this so far?

Fantastic! The colors are subtle, and there are great touched of hue in there. That pink reflected light under her neck is great! It reminds me of James Whistler's famous painting of his mother ( which is also famous for its understated and well-used color. (So in case it wasn't clear, comparing your piece to that is a big comlement!:) )

Can't wait to see how it all comes together!


04 April 2005, 08:49 PM
The weight of your characters are superb and I also like the colours to.

04 April 2005, 08:55 PM
Hey there,

I think you should go with your original idea of the skeletons at the table, it is much more original and looks a lot cooler.
I really like your sketching style.
If you are going to go with your female model, I think you should consider making the background brighter and the foreground darker and move the model a little towards the back. That way you will have depth within your picture. Right now it's looking rather flat.
Hope this helps!

04 April 2005, 09:31 PM
paperclip: thanks for the advices.. sorry I havent mentioned it, but that scetch is just a closeup of the whole painting im scetching as I speak. There will be more characters and they will be a bit skeletal as the early sketches. They will also have more interresting details..

thanks beelow, im gonna put alot effort in personality to them

Woa Walrus.. thats too kind! I love this painting actually, but im giving the Master a bit more young spirit for the sake of attraction ;)

04 April 2005, 09:33 PM
very cool sketches and concept to start with... to early for me to say anything though... keep at it :)

04 April 2005, 09:35 PM (

This is closer to the final composition where I got a sky background and perhaps a green field where the servants 'bate'

Its more dramatic now, and I like how the lighting is for now. Perhaps Ill give it a colder tone with warmer spots where its important

04 April 2005, 09:37 PM
Looking pretty sweet so far man, I love the tilt on the ladies face. Keep going :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 09:42 PM
that face needs a more ignorant looking expression.. like she is looking at them, but still just looking trough them like air. She needs to be elegant and sure secure

04 April 2005, 09:43 PM
What do u plan to do for the background may i ask?

04 April 2005, 09:48 PM
Im not entirely sure.. but Im thinking an open plain.. darker than where the Shepherd stands.. like she is enlightening the followers. I was also thinking about a corn field or something.. decorated with Scarecrows..

You need a scarecrow to let the corn grow. The followers are hungry, and they must not get the wrong seeds...

04 April 2005, 10:30 PM
Dude... this is wonderfully creepy! Love the concept and your sketches rock! I'm liking the dark tone and highlighted female figure. Can't wait to see you develop this more!


04 April 2005, 10:46 PM
This is a delightfully creepy take on the traditional shepherd/flock relationship. And while I do adore this very dark setup (which seems to imply a protective-yet-dominating interaction), you could go waaaaaay the other way and have an innocuous, almost friendly meadow as a background (just for a disturbing contrast). Can't wait to see more!

04 April 2005, 01:05 AM
this work is so awesome!
really love the originality on the concept too

good luck
keep up all the great work

04 April 2005, 05:29 AM
super work....:thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 01:58 PM
thanks for the warm support so far.. even at sketching stage. And ADIA, you have come to support me too :D Im flattered. thank you - I think I need you for some model work on this one, if its okay?

04 April 2005, 03:24 PM
Ser ganske lovende ut :)
Gleder meg til neste

04 April 2005, 03:37 PM
This is really rather dark and creepy... I love it! If those figures at the bottom have the same amazing skeletal look you had in that first sketch, it will look awesome. You have a nice balance to the figures, it would be nice to see some real longing in the body language of the demony things she's herding, a want to be near there master, it would contrast very well with the lovely distant look you have in her body language. And your pallette is beautiful, like you say the odd warm touch will really pull out the bits you want noticed. Great work!

04 April 2005, 04:21 PM (

Lineart for the face, so I got a guideline to color over. Note the lightdirection is top right and slightly from our location.. I keep making these 3d guidelines so that I can shade it easier.. this is NOT a 3d render, as someone asked me once :P

I just gonna start up with the face so I got something to do.. I usually get a more decent idea of the final image when I work with it. baby steps :)

04 April 2005, 06:38 PM (

Ive started some rough coloring.. similar to oil techniques.. I will use softer brushes later and work more on the details.. so far she looks too hard and has no good face expression. I find it really interresting working with her mouth.. one little stroke and her smile is totally different

04 April 2005, 06:43 PM
thats fantastic mate.. great painting style.. love the lines you have ther eas well. great concept

04 April 2005, 07:04 PM
very good work so far. i like the colour range. i have a few points on the latest pic - the rightside of the face is turned a little too far, i think you'd probably see more of it(looks like her face is narrow), also the rhs under the chin looks abit wrong (but thats probably just the sketch).maybe both of those are due to the jawline from your lineart. mostly a matter of personal taste.

04 April 2005, 07:18 PM
thanks ghostinthemachine for the sharp eye on anatomy :) I agree her cheek is a bit too high.. the jawline wasn't complete, even if i spent alot time figuring it out! Her hair should be a bit closer to the head i suppose.. but thats because I have only made the main shadown from the hair. I will paint on hair and eyebrows later.

About the chin.. around the mouth? thats because of my rough scetching at first. I like to make every face shape very clear, so I know the anatomy well. later I hide wrinkles and other traces of muscles.

Note that her right eye will later be hidden behind her cloak.. because .. well. she is supposed to only have one eye..

04 April 2005, 09:00 PM
Hei! Bra jobba så langt... Det er en virkelig vrien vinkel du har valgt på ansiktet hennes, men jeg synes det ser bra ut! Komposisjonen er det ingenting å utsette på så jeg håper du fortsetter i samme spor. Har forresten spesielt sansen for de første skissene dine. Veldig bra! Lykke til med resten!

04 April 2005, 01:10 PM
Jeg liker stilen på den siste oppdateringen din :)!

Du kunne ha prøvd å sette in en stein tekstur for å skape forandringer i de flate overflatene :)

Fin ide, fine farger, morsom stil.

04 April 2005, 01:16 PM
Very good drawing with a lot of emotions!

keep posting... cheers: Kornél

04 April 2005, 01:43 PM (

sketching around trying to find somewhat the look of the blind servants.. Im am trying to give them human emotions such as greed, hate doubt.. and stuff. drawed these last night while listening to Rammstein - mein teil :D

04 April 2005, 09:05 PM (

Working more detailed on the face. This is a 100% closeup. I should have used a bigger resolution, but the total image will get too big! Suprisingly fun to paint that ear.. This face angle is SO HARD, but it turns out really cool. This painting has the best depth Ive made so far.

I am thinking about ear decorations and more interresting makeup.. Ill leave it here for now, I want to go on painting now

OOPS: I just noticed her ear doesn't follow the same angle as teh rest of the face. thanks to a friend who yelled that out :)

04 April 2005, 09:53 PM
you have a very interesting idea and conception about religion, and using this in a creative way (like you do now) you should get something very surprising! (and the jury like that, don't they ? ;))
you're doing well so far ! you've kinda found the right colors for your shepard lady :D! Go on!
as for the servants, hmmm, i don't reaaally like their faces (i mean: c'mon man, our reality is not so cruel! or is it? ;)). you can try to paint more human faces for them, but not too human :).
i keep my eyes on you ! :D
btw, i'll post my sketches soon (i entered the contest a little bit late, but it's not over :D) and i wait your likes and dislikes. seeya! good luck!

04 April 2005, 10:27 PM
thanks K33d,

youre right about the humans.. we arent that cruel.. I made them sort of as perverted, twisted and misunderstood as possible. Its good to work out from the extreme, using the features in a more discreet way. I just want to get everything out first :twisted:

04 April 2005, 10:41 PM
this is looking good. i have no comments.

04 April 2005, 03:53 PM (

made a spine deisign. this is one of the funny parts - designing clothing and jewelry for my character.

the concept is based on 'the all seeing eye' which she is going to wear..

04 April 2005, 04:02 PM (

More designs

Of the several sacred monograms of Christ, the Chi Rho is one of the most ancient. It is generally formed of the Greek letters chi (X) and rho (P). These are the first letters of the Greek word \\\"XPICTOC\\\" (pronounced Christos), which means \\\"Christ.\\\" The monogram has been styled in a variety of imaginative ways over the centuries. Other symbols are sometimes added to the monogram to call to mind a particular attribute of our Lord.

Ive taken the most usual monograms which you can find in churches and made the necklace into this form, where the \\\"P\\\" is styled to look like a shepherd\\\'s crook, a reminder that Jesus is the Good Shepherd.

source: link (

04 April 2005, 11:12 PM (

Now I should be done with the face!
Ive updated the sketch a little..

I need your help to see if there is some major anatomy problems..especially the mistress' arms which im about to start on..
Its hard to discover anatomy problems if youve been working on it for a couple of hours..

04 April 2005, 11:22 PM
One word : BRILLIANT:buttrock:

04 April 2005, 09:36 AM
I'm impatient to see the reste of your work! good luck!

04 April 2005, 11:15 AM
Love the way this one's turning out... good job! Especially on the woman's face. Nice!

Anatomy... hmm, well the only thing with the woman I can see, is the arm resting on one of the guy's head seems a little awkward (due to foreshortening?), but I'll imagine you will take care of that in the cleanup paint process. I think the other arm is fine, in regards to proportion.

Love the designs for her jewelry and hair clip. Great style too, almost like watercolour... what program are you using?

Looking forward to seeing more. Cheers!

04 April 2005, 11:17 AM
i really love teh skin on her... so pale but so relistic.. no crit

04 April 2005, 11:26 AM
and the way she looks...the atitude....verrrrryyy goooooddd.....frighteninglly good..

04 April 2005, 12:04 PM
oro: thanks, it creeps me a bit too..

artjounkie: yeah, i think this will be a hard part. I will have to ask someone to pose it for me I guess. I worry most about the length and so on. the angle decides that, but its hard to tell if she is reaching a bit forward than to the side. it can be solved with the shading i believe.
thanks alot, I am using photoshop cs.. only soft and hard brushes.

w!l, spacesnail, tekila, ghostinthemachine: thanks alot for the kind words :)

04 April 2005, 06:05 PM
First-off I really like the religious aspects in your piece. The concept of the Jacob's ladder-esque creeps surrounding the woman here evoke a strong sense of place, of a moment in time coming together in just the right way.

Often times the master of many servants becomes a servant herself to the group as a whole and I think that making these creatures disfigured and grotesque really nails that subtle juxtaposition.

As for the anatomy in this piece, it feels like if you want her to dominate her subjects wholly - you may want to accentuate her hips at least as much as you did her shoulders. While I doubt that any of her proportions were intentionally decided upon for the express emotive quality of her figure ( more just that she's there in the scene than what her pose and sum physical expression convey ) I think you've made some really strong choices and carrying them just a bit further would really make this piece scream.

You've created these gangly creatures that are both fragile and ominous, and giving her more "life" would probably be a perfect balance for that, polarizing the overall tone of live and death that you're setting up.


04 April 2005, 03:29 PM
tingham, thanks for the comment! i think its really inspiring to me

ive been thinking alot about the hips, and talked to others.. youre have a very good point. and yeah, women with good hips and breasts are being looked upon as more healthy and will be a perfect mother who gives birth. like she will now become a super human.. an ideal image of mothers. :) sounds sick of me, but true in many ways.

my other characters are getting fragile and old yeah.. just being close with this shepherd gives them life.. inspire them to search what they wish - eternal life

ohh damn, there is too less time!! I got work to do:bounce:

04 April 2005, 09:24 PM (

Okay. this is the final sketch/composition. New from last one is that the canvas is wider, so I got room for another servant. the new servant is crawling up right in front of the master, like trying to get attention. She sees right trough him now. Ive added some wool to the servants.. im looking forward to detail that.
other than that.. fun with the servants.. I almost made a Giger's alien of the middle one there. behind the master lies the 'black sheep'. I think that makes a good contrast.
Please tell me if you see any anatomy mistakes on the arms before i start detailing them. The sky is more bloodred and dramatic now.

04 April 2005, 10:10 PM
ur master's really standing out, good job... the skin tone, face is great... about the arm hmmm.. i thnk the right arms a li'l out of prportion, i dnt know how u positioned it though, maybe move the elbow a lil closer to her body or strach it out some more..

04 April 2005, 07:05 AM
Wow eparts

this is a great entry :bounce:
I don't know if you'll keep the actual look of the servants but, by now, they remind me of Francis Bacon's paintings. Beauty among the beasts : real impressive artwork :love:

04 April 2005, 03:10 PM
arkinet: thanks alot. yeah, that arm has bothered me alot lately. the other one is easier because it can be hidden a bit :)

spacesnail: thanks alot for introducing me to Francis Bacon's artwork. I really loved his style and .. well yeah, wow. comparing my character with his art is really an honor

04 April 2005, 03:11 PM
arkinet: thanks alot. yeah, that arm has bothered me alot lately. the other one is easier because it can be hidden a bit :)

spacesnail: thanks alot for introducing me to Francis Bacon's artwork. I really loved his style and .. well yeah, wow. comparing my character with his art is really an honor

i really need to work more.. its only 31 days left, and i got detailing for a lifetime to do! :scream:

04 April 2005, 03:20 PM
Nice updates :)

04 April 2005, 05:56 PM (

working on the servants. I want to provoke some sort of twisted satisfaction by getting attention from Mistress. half playful to mistress, but still shows fear.

I line out sort of 3d wire-skeleton so i can get a grasp of the shading afterwards. im not using reference for these fellas.. but i quite enjoy being this free. and it doesnt really matter if they get a little..missplaced :)

this is a 25% view of the original, which is 6883x9322 pixels 300 dpi - pwuih

04 April 2005, 08:56 PM
Good evening Egil

so let's have a look to your mistress' hands. Maybe you can try to close her left hand, wrapping all her finger around the staff. Add some shadow like post #45.I'm little bit worried about her left arm which seem to be too short and set in a strange way... It's funny that i have the same problem.

Hope these little thoughts will help


04 April 2005, 01:31 PM (

the 10th step so far. With help from useful critics about the anatomy, ive moved the hand who's holding the staff a bit closer. looks more natural. Thanks spacenail

Here i am showing some of my reference lines that I am using. Note how the positions of the shepherd's hands matches the Golden rectangle.
Her face and details really follows the action of the image, where everything focuses against the middle.

The Golden Rectangle is the superimposed Spiral within it and has the process of squaring the rectangle to create an
infinite number of addition rectangles with the Divine Ration of 1.6; the length of the rectangle divided by its width. This ratio is used by Da Vinci as well as many artists. I thought it would be interresting to use this for my piece, as if it should get more complex by doing it :)

04 April 2005, 09:38 PM
Veldig interessant resultat, Egil!

Men på bakrunden ser det ut som at lyset er ganske gult, men refleksionen i munnen virker ganske hvit. Jeg kan ta feil, himmelen er jo fortsatt på skisse nivå. :)

04 April 2005, 08:57 AM
Stilig :)
Liker hvordan du har laget tjenerene, spesiellt han som sitter nærmest. Måten han er på henne ong måten han sitter på, med halsen lang... veldig bra.

Keep it up matey :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 09:03 AM
hi. looks like its coming along nicely. that divine ratio thing is interesting, ive never used it but i think ill see how it can apply to my composition. :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 01:19 PM
lystmaler: takk skal du har! ja, med bakgrunnen vet jeg ikke helt enda.. tenker på noe gult, rødt skjær fra en lav sol.. Skal kanskej lage bakgrunnen litt lysere. vet ikke enda. liker tonen så langt

danke, lady medusa :) glad du liker de så langt.. tenkt en del på poseringene. har funnet inspirasjon fra hundene mine og .. tja, folk på byn ;)

ghostindamachine: Thanks, but this was actually more like a joke :) The composition doesnt really matter this much i think, but i found it humorous :P

04 April 2005, 06:11 AM
i think there is heavy industrial era infuelnce in the figure... i love it. maybe re work the death dudes... they look kind of werid in my opinion, then again its to early to tell.

04 April 2005, 12:27 PM
The most important thing in the golden rectangle is its proportions i.e if you inscribe something in it, the form will get the golden proportion. And this spiral should be the most important thing in your work. Every shape, detail, accent should follow its curve. In fact, you should draw the curve first and everything else have to be a result of it. It's a way to put the forms on its "golden" (not right) places and its nothing more than simple geometry.

04 April 2005, 12:36 PM
this is a great work my advice is to narrow down her neck and shoulders, other than that impressive!

04 April 2005, 10:26 PM
Slav- thanks. im trying to give it a modern look. i listen alot to industrial music aswell :) so..
THe dudes.. yes. are you pointing at the anatomy and shading, or just the faces in general? i know they are weird, but in which way is hard to know.

Thanks nebezial. Ive followed your tip, and try to tone her down a little, however not too much! she must have wide shoulders, long neck etc :)

Im soon up with an update

04 April 2005, 10:40 PM (

working more on the dress. I should have used a model here aswell, but im mostly just watching sculptures in cathedrals, paintings etc. I want to get more of that style, not heavy detailed realistic. Afterall, i am doing a painting, not a photograph

04 April 2005, 10:50 PM
wow!...Great DRAWINGS!...:thumbsup: your concept sketchs are looking so nice!:thumbsup:
i`think *your last concept is good and your wip is going very well.
additionally good coloring progress...nice woman characters*nice details!
good luck`mate:) waiting for your next update!

04 April 2005, 10:51 PM
Nice work! 'aud' linked me. ^_^

Anyway, I think the ear should be a bit higher and the hairline should come in a bit closer in the eye/eybrow area. The neck on the left side towards the lower part is a bit too wide. I would also bring some of the rich coppery brown of the background into the shaded areas of her skin.

04 April 2005, 07:13 PM
goktug: thanks alot :D glad you dropped by. I love your 3d entry so far btw, gotta write in your thread soon!

hey Oz, how are you doing. nice you dropped by with your hard critics (aud says so) :D
I know about the ear.. really hard to work with this angle. I will work more with the ear later.. I dont feel much for ears right now. but thats for pointing out. i guess its very important then :)
the hairline.. well i thought the same about my model, but i guess some people look like that :) Note that her hair is set up like that, and the hard light makes the hair more bright and not so visible.

04 April 2005, 08:20 PM
=D yeah you're right about the hairline, some people are like that...I do prefer the little triangular shape because it brings more attention to the eyes (since it points there and creates an angle). But the pink splash there is working along that way.

And now that I see it again...Hmmm just for experimenting:

Have you tried using a very low opacity brush with very light blue/minty green on her skin?
Why not make the enviroment harsher on the characters like making the cloth flutter more in the wind add more movement to her hair- it would bring a good contrast of pose vs strenght, more drama. And, where is the bright white light coming from?

Just poking your brain with random thoughts. ;-)

04 April 2005, 09:29 PM
Thanks for the tricky thoughts ;)

Yes ive been working alot with the colortone.. saturating her and the background to blue, red and more tones.. THe one I am working on now is more blue/red moonlight. I know the background doesnt match the light on the characters yet.. because I havent really made a background yet!
I guess its really hard to explain what I am doing here.. the WIP images aren't following my mind quite :)

What i think so far: the background is going to be far more brighter and more contrasted, as the characters are. I want to keep this blue red sort and a sort of violet overall

stop messing with the hairline.. its allowed to be different.. it gives me the chance of painting this pink line she has!

I have been working more with the dress lately, but i dont wish to post anything yet. I am making it more dramatic, using inspirations like this:

04 April 2005, 09:44 PM
"But the pink splash there is working along that way."^ This means I like it.:)

Can't wait to see the new WIP ;-) Keep it up, it's looking fine and I like your ideas.

04 April 2005, 11:55 PM
very good. the image has really benefitted from your study of sculptures. nice developments :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 12:47 AM
Your project is coming along nicely.

I just wanted to say Damn that Girl looks Evil :twisted:

04 April 2005, 01:18 PM
thanks ghost

agent orange: yeah me too. glad this works out the way i want

04 April 2005, 01:52 PM
quite a piece u got here.pretty slick too:)just i think the right arm need some attention porportionately.and i'm alil unsure where she's looking at due to the detailing of the eyeballs~
mean looking lady though but i love the way she looks:scream:

04 April 2005, 02:43 PM
She looks like a real temptress, good colour scheme, and her pale skin looks really good! Thumbs up :)

04 April 2005, 08:08 PM (

updated the background. this should be more of what i want.. not sure about the colors yet, but I think this is quite dramatic..

04 April 2005, 07:40 AM
hey, looking beautiful...
btw, what if you increase the contrast in your bg colours, it should increase the drama... and a little more hilighting...

I've been watching this thread from the beginning it really does look excellent...

04 April 2005, 07:32 PM (

so. thanks for the comments cha0t1c1, fooxoo, ms@zx.. you are really helpful. you also kick my ass on continuing working .

I have had serious fun with drawing clothes now.. yeah, it can actually be quite captivating. I am ready to take the critics! I havent had reference on this, so I dont expect this to be taken seriously.

the image is mirrored so I can compare the propotions easier.. quite hard when you study an image that long!

- and Oh, notice her leg thats now visible.. i am very sceptic about that knee. what do you say.. I need some picky on that one.. the idea with the leg came so late, so it wasnt easy to sketch it out

04 April 2005, 01:39 AM (

alot of work, but might not see a bit difference at first. Ive been working with the background more.. its brighter and more detailed.. i think its going to be even brighter, atleast when i get to the final highlighting.

the servant number 2 has changed his pose. I think this gives an extra effect of how the relationship is between the servants. also started adding the wool on the servants backs.. this will be fun :P

finally the image is taking shape. its not much time left!

05 May 2005, 03:12 PM
I've been studied my mirrored version and my original version and once again found a problem:
Which is the best? Is there any difference in how you look at the picture.. has this anything to say about how you understand the picture, what catches your eye first. etc

I need help


05 May 2005, 03:46 PM
Cool, another viking here at cgtalk! (we just keep popping out, don't we?) :)

I think the first version is the best, where the girl stands on the left side of the picture. Not sure why I think that however I first focus on her expression, then leading her hand down to the three characters as her servants. Looks very good, keep it up!

05 May 2005, 04:03 PM
Jeg liker den med damen på vår høyre side best av en eller annen grunn. Vet ikke helt hvorfor.

Bra oppdatering forresten :)

05 May 2005, 04:10 PM
thanks AM7:
its a good point.. Ive been discussing this now by Oz and some. You say it serves the eyes well with the lines from her face and down to the servant wich is the second main character in the image. By seeing the servants and then stop at the expression of the shepherd it gives something more i think.

BUT I dont believe this is a rule I should follow, because its mainly based on western writing traditions and comics where you read from top left to bottom right.

At the same time, this line guides the attention away from the shepherd/mistress. With the shepherd to the right, it looks like she is the goal that the servants are approaching.

would love to hear more thoughts while i work on details :)

05 May 2005, 04:14 PM
I noticed now that the two flipped images aren't the exact same, perhaps I liked the one with the master on the left side better because I thought it had a more overall darker sky behind her, giving off better contrast - thus making us read the picture better (atleast I did).

05 May 2005, 04:19 PM
thanks medusa. i agree

Another thing that bothers me is that I am soon going to start painting the ground, which leads to a little problem ive caused.
There is a sort of perspective that lets the viewer see both up in the sky and down on the ground... like some panorama shot. It makes it quite hard to know where the feet should be placed etc.
How does the characters look so far? Our shepherd here has quite long legs, and I feel the perspective is kind of wrong how she stands now, and the same goes with her leg anatomy :P

05 May 2005, 04:24 PM
AM7: yeah it was very stupied of me not to show the identical versions up against each other.

And yes, the sky and all around was very dark compared to what it actually is as original (last image posted) I made it more contrasted and darker because I believe it will be like this as a final. But i cant make it too dark, because the shepherds skin is very bright. Where is all the light coming from?? (but hey, she is actually most of the light ...)

05 May 2005, 04:40 PM
You could perhaps solve that light issue, by dropping some lightbeams that strike down on the shephards face/body through some openings the clouds above her (which we would not see ofcourse - limited by your canvas). And you could hence dim the light on her leg (not that important) Highlights like that would also help to draw the attention and focal point to her.

05 May 2005, 04:52 PM
beautiful progress, I see your bg is looking great, now keep working...I want more

05 May 2005, 09:40 AM
am7, yeah ive been working on that.. the clouds sort of goes in a circle around her. a sort of gateway into the sky above her would look great. I dont want to make too heavy lightrays though, because it can turn out a bit cliche i guess.. and it can spoil the light direction, which will leave me with more shading work :)

chaot1c1. thanks for the support. as soon as i got the leg problem solved, i will paint as hell to reach the final coloring milestone :)

05 May 2005, 10:30 AM
good work ep, its coming along nicely. mb you could channel the clouds to focus on the master, add to her presence abit.

05 May 2005, 11:40 AM
I prefer the darker sky, but won't tell for sure until it's utterly done.

Her right arm and leg look a bit weird...I think perhaps the creature near the edge of the canvas should be lower to bring a more dramatic line towards her face and so it doesn't break the curve of the ground.

05 May 2005, 11:00 PM (

Alot of detail work, light changes and I believe I finished her dress. I solved the leg problem like this.. Her pose was sort of wrong having the leg like that, so the foot coming out below the dress is sort of on tip toe.

Now I got to work more on her left hand, because it is still pretty weird I think. And then I guess I am ready for what we call the final coloring :D

thanks for the comments Oz and ghost! you are very helpful

05 May 2005, 01:32 PM
Great sky I think. I love it, the contrast and everything.

Personally I think that the over all composition is the same wether it's mirrored or not.

05 May 2005, 03:08 PM
Amazing work on the dress, you should be rightly proud of that! I really love her expression, and her pose. The demon creatures are very twisted... will you be leaving them with no eyes like that? I just think that's a great touch, not to mention the interaction between the two on the left. I really like the way the sky is going, I think the colours and cloud forms are looking great. Only thing that I would suggest is maybe breaking up one of the diagonals in the cloud lines, maybe closer to the horizon, where you have those smaller clouds, if they were more horizontal, you might get more of a sense it's like a big storm cloud, being swept up.

But much kudos on this so far, it's looking amazing.

05 May 2005, 01:19 PM
lystmaler: takk

zepyhri: thanks alot :) yeah, they wont have eyes.. its part of the idea of who is serving who.
I think youre right about the sky. Ive been thinking about it for a while and studied clouds whereever i go.. so there will be an update here.

05 May 2005, 09:20 PM (

detail of the servants..

i have studied the human skull, and picked up the main looks of it, changed it a bit, given some flesh and muscles.. and just try to put life in them.

Ive started working on the fur on one of them too. it demands some study, but luckily I got two long haired dogs in the nearby :)

please tell me what you think. I have perhaps played too much with the anatomy?

05 May 2005, 10:05 PM
looking great :)

The one sitting closest to her still remais my favorite of them. What happened to the one that is more or less "left out"?
I love the foot and the cloth of the lady :)

05 May 2005, 10:14 PM
thanks medusa.
If you are thinking about the one that was to the far right, behind Her, he is still in progress. I just figured out a new idea for the "black sheep".. I dont wish to go on with the black sheep idea alone, but something else that I am working with right now :)

05 May 2005, 11:32 PM
dude, the fur is sick! (in a good way) :thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 11:53 PM
hehe. thanks, ghost in the Dell(R) :wise:

05 May 2005, 08:50 AM

05 May 2005, 02:20 PM
Dell? erm... dunno what that means?

that name doesnt have much to do with the manga film. its from a theory about genetic memory.

05 May 2005, 04:52 PM
I love the slaves, almost mindless yet very sinister, almost have a quality of very mischieveous children. Love your style of painting, and the "feather" effect on the slaves works really well, good contras with the extremely hard bony heads, Cant wait to see more.

Check out mine and let me know what you think :

All feedback very appreciated!!

05 May 2005, 06:17 PM
ghostinthemachine: i believe that was a very bad joke.. atleast it was meant to be bad! ghost in the shell sounds like Ghost in the Dell.. which is a machine :P ehmmm, well now.

demonicoz: thanks alot .. it is just what im trying to make

oneka: wow thanks.. I love your colors here aswell :)

05 May 2005, 06:29 PM
Looking great man! I like the foldings of her dress, that must have taken alot of time to work out. :)

Keep it up!

05 May 2005, 08:18 PM
oh ok :D like you say - bad :)

05 May 2005, 09:33 PM
ha,ha.. well i was just so happy that you replied to my update that i suddenly felt like writing back with the first thing that came into my head. :wise:

Yah, thanks am7. I just got back from a couple of beers and I am so motivated for some hardcore painting tonight :buttrock:
Yes, that dress took me quite alot of time in the beginning.. i guess i broke some formula or something, because suddenly the painting went very fast and i didnt need more study. Ofcourse I could go more overkill detailing but im too lazy..
Tonight Im going to continue with the servants.. and things will get hairy!

05 May 2005, 12:53 AM
''from a couple of beers and I am so motivated for some hardcore painting'' :buttrock:

mwha just stop by and enjoy your post here egil!
sounds like you have fun (hard-core) time
and I really love this emoticon :buttrock:so muchhh :D

PS: its so cool to see your work is really progressive so far


05 May 2005, 11:07 AM (

inspired by the sick lady who manages to touch the cape of Christ and being healed by his holyness and pureness.

one of the ideas behind this image, is the illusion of being deceased and the fear of this. okay, the world isnt that cruel and we humans arent that troubled.. (just a bit.. )

05 May 2005, 07:13 PM (

more work on the servants.. the fourth one getting into shape soon aswell

dont worry about the grass.. the brushes were only a test.. I will paint grass later.. and im not looking forward to it.

changed her left arms pose a bit because of the staff she is going to have

05 May 2005, 07:54 PM
should i tell you how much i love what you have done with this image?

i dont think you have to hear it for the 100th time. i love it.


05 May 2005, 08:33 PM
Egil, I absolutely love this. I don't know how I could possibly have missed the wonderful progress, but here I am - flabbergasted and stunned.

I think the best part with the entire picture is her face and its expression. Sends shivers up my spine, it does. I'm not entirely sure what to make out of it - I can interpret it in a number of ways, which adds so much to this piece.

Don't know what else to say. I could gush about the good bits all day. The only 'bad' bit I can think of right now, and it's not particularly bad, is that it's very difficult to tell exactly what's going on with her legs. The folds of the clothes are beautiful, but they are very confusing around the knee area, and it's difficult to tell how long her legs are or what angle they're in. Perhaps if you'd bring her knees closer together and let the dress hug the thighs more closely, it would be easier to tell what's going on.

Either way, this is lovely. I'm eagerly anticipating your final submission!

05 May 2005, 09:59 PM
Wow, im so happy I have just gasted your flabber :D

Thanks alot, I have spent so much time with that face that it almost feel like she is part of my family.. :P
The face and eyes is so important to me, because I know thats allways what drags the attention.
The legs! Yeah, it has troubled me from the waist down ever since I started to sketch them out.. Ive tryed to make some of the folds from her dress to give a bulk out where her legs hint to be, but im not really sure myself. I will work more on that part, and thanks for the good advice about that!
this really motivates me :love:

Thanks! no, it means alot to me!

05 May 2005, 10:14 PM
good update, i like the pet. hope you check the number of pinkies on her hand (???) looks like shes got the six right now.

you cant be doing too bad eh? you got enayla posting a comment - thats like royalty making you a cup o' tea! good work. :D

05 May 2005, 10:19 PM

(John 10:11)
I am the good shepherd.
The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep
The hired hand is not the shepherd who owns the sheep
The hired hand runs away
because he is a hired hand
and cares nothing for the sheep
I am the good shepherd

In case you wonder why does the character have six fingers on one hand. This is not a rip off from Giger's Alien designs. It's a reference to Seraphim, a religious reference. Angels were said to have six fingers on one hand.

Hehe.. I know how many fingers that hand has.. Trust me, you really get time to count them while painting :D
Well, im not sure if im going to use the six finger thingie here anyways, because angels are irrelevant in this situation.. however it could symbolize somewhat a higher level - an extra finger. Atleast I find that very rewarding for the piano players.

05 May 2005, 10:21 PM
great progress so far, I really like the clouds and cloth you've got going. Keep up the good work, can't wait to see it finished.

05 May 2005, 11:02 PM

sorry dude, i thought it was probably intentional - ive got about the slowest dialup connection in the UK (probably not far off) so i kinda pick my pages carefully. thats what you get for living in the sticks! ... broadband soon, no more looking dumb. :D

cool drawing btw.

05 May 2005, 11:50 PM
Dude! Great updates since last I checked in... awesome texture on the ghoulish guys... very disturbing, and I like that! :D Can't wait to see this one finished, bro... only 5 days left. ONLY 5 DAYS LEFT?!! *paints faster*


05 May 2005, 02:21 PM
artjunkie: yees :scream: im trying to hurry!

thanks ghost

werezoo.. i must not wait anymore myself! 5 days!

05 May 2005, 02:35 PM
Coming along great! Perhaps abit more saturation into you'r servants? Keep it up! :thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 02:59 PM

nice progression so far :thumbsup::thumbsup:
I'm just a little worried with her right arm, which seems too short to me... but you know i've got many trouble with arms in general He He

Great work on the clouds

Keep going on and hurry, hurry, hurry


05 May 2005, 06:17 PM (

Painted the grass! Im sure it will be more detailed later, but im kind of stressed.. I force myself to draw atleast 2 hours a day now to the deadline.. and i guess speedpainting non-stop the last day :P

anyways.. thanks for tips about arms and legs everyone.. ive worked with her right arm now and given it a more detailed hand. would love to hear some opinions from the anatomy-pirates around here!

The color and light setting is very close to my original file. Would like to know what you think of this. The past versions has often been contrasted, balanced etc. so the comments now are important.

The next bigger step will be the goat's corpse-


05 May 2005, 06:38 PM
Great grass!
Do you got a grass brush, or do you draw the straws one by one?
I like how the servant behind her is grabing her dress too :)

05 May 2005, 06:44 PM
i use the standard hard brush in photoshop.. I don't know how a grass brush would work, because grass don't look like somethign standard. I have had the chance to study grass much lately this spring :P
So, i paint the straws one by one.. BUT I paint a field of grass, then dublicate it a bit.. paint another field, paint some details over that etc.. it took me about 30 min.

05 May 2005, 10:31 PM (

todays update.. made the goat's corpse. the up eaten body sort of points to the next.. or not?

added environment like bushes and more grass!

05 May 2005, 10:52 PM
I've been lurking in here from time to time and I have to say I love your progress... The style is awesome, great picture, very powerful!

05 May 2005, 10:56 PM
so have I, blackeri :) I love your image so far. hm. must not write, must sleep, paint tomorrow.

05 May 2005, 05:18 PM (

finishing details on the background. very new to me to create a full background in a painting :P
i think its interresting to play with the clouds.. i guess you can see where the master is supposed to be with those clouds.

05 May 2005, 02:06 AM
great painting.the background is excellent.:thumbsup:
can't wait for final image.

05 May 2005, 02:11 AM
Your last post, in and of itself is awesome - you have wonderful gifts as a colourist


05 May 2005, 09:04 PM
xric7: thanks alot you! yours too!

gordonm: thanks alot. that means much, since im still an amatour in art.. :)

05 May 2005, 12:28 AM
Looking good

Those clouds are amazing.

05 May 2005, 12:38 AM

..enuf sed :P

05 May 2005, 11:14 AM (

ah, back on the canvas again..

- i cant decide if i should keep that hair thing on the back of her head or not. i think it looks silly.. yes or no, or something in between? :P

05 May 2005, 11:16 AM
IF U think it looks silly,get rid of it.

i personally agree with u and think it may be a bit much.

looks great though!!

05 May 2005, 11:26 AM
thanks NOOB :) yes, but still improves her facial lines and stuff.. i think.
but i will remove it! perhaps leave some hair on her other side to balance her hoodie..

05 May 2005, 11:35 AM
being honest I totally love that hair thingy and would definitely keep it, but that's just my lil' opinion :3

05 May 2005, 11:45 AM
Nice hair dress. Keep it! :thumbsup: Amayzing work, man.
I havent been hire, how could I missed that.

Good luck

05 May 2005, 12:08 PM
blackeri: thanks, glad somebody likes it.. ill try to figure out something that reminds of it.

velinov: thanks alot! ill see what i can do. cool you dropped by :bounce:

05 May 2005, 12:33 PM
personally i love yes version.
keep it.
good luck to u.:)

05 May 2005, 01:00 PM
YES ... Owner of a lonely heart...Warf, this is an easy joke Lol

I really prefer the much more detailed hair :thumbsup:

Bon courage Eparts


05 May 2005, 01:18 PM
both versions look fine to me

05 May 2005, 01:25 PM
new version.. combined a bit. more detailed.. i believe this is the ended one

05 May 2005, 01:27 PM
great pic, the paint of the characters and her position is good. For the question, to me,.. yes

05 May 2005, 01:41 PM
Bra :thumbsup:

Hurry up, It ends tomorrow!

05 May 2005, 01:44 PM
thanks everyone.. im going for the Yes-hair.. as you see how it turned out.

medusa.har ikke sovet mye inatt! sliiten :scream:

05 May 2005, 01:52 PM
hair-thing: yes! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

gogogo!! :bounce:

05 May 2005, 05:45 PM (

there are 10 hands in this painting - 6 of them are visible = lots of work!!

you can see my progress here where i make direction lines for each part of the hand. this helps me to get the idea of how she will hold around the staff.

her right arm is a bit based on Michelangelo's painting Adam, however i had to feminine the hand here.. and i believe Michelangelo made Gods finger longer than the others with purpose.

I dumped the first hand-pose i had in mind, because it doesnt really look natural at all..
im not good with anatomy, and i havent used an exact reference photo either

wohoo, prob some typos here, but i dont have time to check it :P i need to paint

05 May 2005, 09:35 PM
great updates!:thumbsup: going much better!
nice details**

05 May 2005, 10:10 PM
thanks gogtug :D

05 May 2005, 11:31 PM (

coloring, coloring, coloring.
i will fix more fur tomorrow.. and ive gotten critics about Master's foot. Please give me some comments too, so i can work on it tomorrow morning before submitting.
the servant down in the right corner also needs some more detailing.

other than that, looking forward to hear your opinions. i got a couple of closeups if interrested.
night night

05 May 2005, 11:59 PM
hi, have to say this is amazing!!!

hope you dont mind me commenting on something... the feet looks too like its just cut and pasted in... maybe it needs more shadows form the dress?

and also the dress seems abit unatural... dunno ... im not too great at cloths so cant exactly point out whats wrong :P

anyway... the main concern really is to finish!! anyway, gud luk with the challenge :thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 03:19 AM
it's coming along so well.
go go go.:bounce: :buttrock:
no more tomorrow!!

05 May 2005, 07:00 AM

05 May 2005, 07:07 AM
looks really wonderfullllllll :drool::drool::drool:

05 May 2005, 10:09 AM
daadaa: im glad you commenting. thanks for the advice about the foot. I will try to figure it out, but the light direction should make it look like this! bah, very hard. its my first foot ever!
The dress wasnt easy, and i based it on statues rather than real fabrics.. big mistake perhaps, but i wanted to have this original look to it. silk isnt an easy material to draw, i can assure you. thanks alot for the comment.

xric7: thank you for the great words :)

oro: im honored!

here is a closeup for a finished part:

40% zoom

05 May 2005, 10:11 AM
nice pic. Good luck for the end

05 May 2005, 03:23 PM (

final coloring
must be done now.. i still got 20 hours left, so i might pick it up again and paint more!

how is the foot everyone..
and is it too contrasted? should i adjust some tones, saturation..

05 May 2005, 05:24 PM
Man, I would call it good! You did an excellent job with this!:thumbsup: I never expected to see hair on her "friends" so that was a cool touch!

Nice work and good luck!

05 May 2005, 05:30 PM
all i can say for now is HURRY!! good luck bro:)

05 May 2005, 05:33 PM
looks awsome :D and foot is now just fine ;)

anyway it looks amazing... and nothing else needs to be sed really ;).. of and maybe gud luck! (not tht u need it... ¬.¬ :P)

05 May 2005, 06:14 PM (

I am the good shepherd.
The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep
The hired hand is not the shepherd who owns the sheep
The hired hand runs away
because he is a hired hand
and cares nothing for the sheep
I am the good shepherd
(John 10)

Give the hungry their bread
and they will follow you
Serve a scapegoat on the table
and they will only worship you
if only you know seen the truth
then your followers will believe you blindly

The first impression of this picture might be a sense of blasphemy, but that wasn’t meant to be. I am inspired by the relationship between the master and the servants’ history in the western world with religion as a strong factor of power. I am inspired by Christianity as power.

If you believe in only one God, this God leads you and makes your reality. If there is only one who leads the way, there is no other way to follow. The good shepherd protects his sheep and leads them to their salvation. What makes the shepherd good, if there are no other shepherds to compare with?

05 May 2005, 06:18 PM
congradulations! it's really really beautifull...and a loot of luck for the judjing! :applause:

05 May 2005, 06:32 PM
fensterer: thanks alot :) yeah, things really got hairy in the end.. No more fur for a long time now!!

arkinet: its uploading at this minute.. puhh

daadaa: i need all the luck i can get! so thanks a very much

Oro: wooho! thanks

thanks for the support from all of ya.. it has been extremely interresting to work like this

05 May 2005, 12:34 PM
Hei! Looks great man! your composition is very soothing for me to look at. Excellent piece! Stay in touch and good luck! :)

05 May 2005, 06:58 PM
Hey Egil,
Very interesting image, your image is very well done :thumbsup: :thumbsup: What I get out of your image is this. The shephard in your image is really a wolf disguised as a shepherd that has lead the lambs astray. The lambs followed what they wanted(the sultry shepherd) and lead them to their deaths( their appearance as skeletons and hellish sky) By the lambs gaze, they dont recognize the situation they are in so they don't look for the real shepherd.
With regards to your question of "What makes the shepherd good, if there are no other shepherds to compare with? " I think from a lambs point of view, you compare the shepherd to the hungry wolf and go from there.
Again , great image , really interesting. Good luck with this.

05 May 2005, 08:16 PM
congratulation.:applause: :thumbsup:
excellent image!!nice idea and color.good luck in this contest.cheers.

05 May 2005, 08:52 PM
By the lambs gaze, they dont recognize the situation they are in so they don't look for the real shepherd.

Exactly.. Its hard to explain for me. What I try to say is that nobody has wrong, it all depends on who teach you the wrong.
If you are raised from child with one view of reality, for example a specific religion, you not only accept this view, but also believe in it blindly. This is what I try to visualize making the servants blind.
How can they look for the real shepherd if they have no eyes, only a mouth to eat from the 'hand that feeds'.

05 May 2005, 04:17 PM
care for details?

05 May 2005, 04:27 PM
I felt that i had to dedicate a post for my models and inspirations.
Kira - asvison stock (
She is so elegant and perfect for this image. Without her face, I would never have accomplish the mood and character for this painting!

Titus, my dog :)
For this image I needed alot of study in fur and how that works.. so yeah. I sneaked up on my dog and took some photos once in a while

other than that, thanks for all the help and support, advices and all. thanks to wacom who made my wrist hurt in the end of the contest .. :wise:

05 May 2005, 04:27 PM
Wooooow! :eek: Absolutely véry stunning! :bounce: I really véry much like the design of the skeletons! Also the way you colored it is very interesting: very nice & interesting mood!

Count me for you fanclub ;) :twisted:!

Very much good luck on the voting! & See you in the next challenge? :scream:,

[edit: Now you mention you 'reference live-world model', I can see that the woman in your artwork, very similar to Kira! :) She must be honored to have 'served' ( :twisted: ) you for this challenge!! :) And about Titus... he looks rather cute ;) (unless I normally don't like dogs ) ]

05 May 2005, 05:40 PM
so cute!!!love ur Titus a lot.:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: realy want to know what the meanig of his/her name?
love ur Kira too.great models u used and great great work u finished too.cheers.

05 May 2005, 06:38 PM
am7: takk :) you too!

xric7: wohoo thanks :bounce: Titus was a roman emperor

Dutchman: yay, my first member of the fanclub :P Hm.. Kira's face with that angle was hard.. i was the striving servant who made the master ;) thanks about your kind words for Titus.. He can be quite an evil bastard sometimes, but he is a good servant ;) Maybe Ill join the next challenge, if the theme is as inspiring as this one :)

05 May 2005, 09:29 PM
Brilliantly done, my friend! It was a joy to watch you develop this pic! :applause:

Good luck in the judging!


05 May 2005, 10:31 PM
artjunkie. it was cool to have you with me in teh process :D thanks

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