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03 March 2005, 09:56 AM
Lilian Katic has entered the Master and Servant 3D.

Challenge Page (

Latest Update: Final Image: Final image - same as above without photo filter (

Ok, here the same, but without photo filter.
It is more contrasted, and with heavy tone of colors.

I hope a lot of people will like my work. It was my first CG Networks challenge I completed, and when I see how many masters (the CG ones ;) ) are here and are making so much awesome work, I am a little afraid.
But it was for me a nice experience, and I think I will be again in the party for a next challenge.

Next step : the upload of the final image, maybe in few hours, when I will be sure of my choice.

03 March 2005, 09:43 AM
Here is my idea :
A school in the early 60's. A teacher (the master) is upset by one of his scoolboy(servant). The scoolboy is playing into the class room, and so the teacher is throwing one or two books to his face. The ambiance of the scene will be an old cartoon like picture i guess (maybe i will move to a reallistic picture, it will depend of my time i will have).
So the teacher will be tall slim with a moustache and glasses, the messy schoolboy little and fat (other schoolboys will be in the picture).
The scene will take place of course in a class room.

I will develop later my concept.

03 March 2005, 03:45 PM (

Beginning of the modelisation of the head of the schoolboy.
It's an early modelisation, so not a lot of details first. I will adjust the head to find the good shape i will make to this character.

03 March 2005, 03:52 PM
oooooops, sorry for this 2 same consecutive submit. I am clicking too fast :cry:

I deleted the link to the picture.

03 March 2005, 03:57 PM
Hi, You're pretty fast but you should do a concept sketch first and post all images through the challenge page...
The idea is original and very funny! :thumbsup: Haven't we all felt like slaves at school?

03 March 2005, 04:10 PM
Yep I agree with you.
But I am moving in a new appartment and i will can use soon my wacom tablet or my scanner to show you the concept sketch (for now it is only in my head). For now all my tools are in boxes in a truck :p
I will not forget ;)

03 March 2005, 06:40 PM (

Ok with the modelisation going on I move the early previous head to an adult fat guy. I think now it will be a teacher like in the frence movie "the Chorus".
Need to fix a lot of glitch in the model, but it's going on. If you have remarks, they are welcome in my thread. ;)

03 March 2005, 06:52 PM
Very good concept and start! I can picture the scary school scene coming, good luck!

03 March 2005, 09:41 PM (

Here I am with the teacher now. I will now fix everything before doing the hands and feet and clothes.

03 March 2005, 10:03 PM (

Ok I started to begin the head of the schoolboy. He will be the oposite of the teacher, so slim and tall.
This is the beginning of the head.

03 March 2005, 06:25 PM (

Ok, here is my concept sketch of my idea. As promised I give you it, I finally moved to my new appartment and got back all my tools.
The angle of the scene may be different of teh sketch, but it gives you the idea.

04 April 2005, 04:00 PM (

Ok, I don't really like the work i began. So I draw some characters and I finally adopted this one.
I worked too quickly I think lol :p
I will take my time to make nice characters this time.

04 April 2005, 04:04 PM (

I finally use my skecthes to make the shape of my character. It's more "clean" now and easier to work.
And it's close to the 2D version. I prefer this work than the old one.

04 April 2005, 04:09 PM
If somebody now, why there is a negative color application when I upload a JPEG ?
It is really strange and ugly.

UPDATE: It's my fault :( the bad JPEG s are not in RVB but in CMJN :( :( :cry:

So sorry for that. I will not make the mistake again. I promise

04 April 2005, 04:13 PM
Do you have an alpha channel in it?
I think I've seen someone else with the same problem, and if I remember correctly it was because of an alpha but I'm not sure.

oops - you found the fault while I was typing, good!

Your model looks real good anyway :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 04:15 PM (

The same as before but with the JPEG in RVB mode.
Sorry again.

04 April 2005, 06:20 PM (

Just to see what it looks like with simple lights and shader.

04 April 2005, 03:06 PM (

Beginning of the clothes. More details to add, and after this finished, it will be time to make arms and feet and to move on the schoolboy. :p

04 April 2005, 07:37 PM (

I am making now the hands. The feet for next update. I will begin to focus my attention also on the texturing and mapping.
Everything goes on.

04 April 2005, 08:35 PM
He cool charachter , love the cloths :)
Keep it up :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 08:45 PM
Hey djiemsi, very cool style. :applause: I am definitely going to be keeping an eye on the way this progresses.


04 April 2005, 08:52 PM
Salut Lilian!
great work here in progreess, just came to subscrbe and wish you bonne chance et beaucoup de plaisir! aller aller aller!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 09:38 PM
cool work there and i look in later for new cool stuff, see you and :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 09:44 PM
Fun.....Like it Lilian.....Cool shirt...where can I get one.....create one for me and send it over by virtual mail,I like the puffy shirt look.........I'll be watching for more.....:arteest:

04 April 2005, 09:49 PM
i don't know if you want critics. but i think that the shirt has some problems, like being pushed toward the character. i don't know if it is intentional

also, to improve the "thickness" of the caracter i think the low part of his head should be more like a point. hope you understand what i mean.

for elsethings, it is quite a nice character

04 April 2005, 01:22 PM (

Just a little update. I just worked quickly on the shoes. I have not much time for the challenge today.
Like Guismo said I tried to point more the low part of the face ( a little bit in fact..just played with lattices box). I adjusted also the tips of the fingers (there was a little problem).

Thank you for the messages, it motivates me (oh what a poor english I have lol)
About critics, no problems, I accept it, it makes me learning and discover the mistakes I am not seeing.

Thanks again to everybody. I keep the work up ;)

Oh about the shirt wich is going into the character it was intentionnal, but anyway i will have to fix a lot of things when the whole character will be over (almost :p)

04 April 2005, 09:46 PM (

Here my idea for the cartoon schoolboy. I began the head modelisation but there is nothing yet interresting to show.
Same for the teacher, I made again little corrections and adjustment but nothing new to show for the moment. I will put new pictures of my work when it will be really interesting (maybe tomorrow or after tomorrow I think).

04 April 2005, 02:43 PM (

I didn't update anything for a week...I ve been busy like many ;).
Anyway this is the beginning of the schoolboy (not detailed yet). When it will be done, I will going on the texturing phase of the both characters (also adjust what is wrong).
I think I will be able to update more often this week.

04 April 2005, 03:07 PM
Very nice character modelling!
The face on the boy looks quite mature though,... dunno why.

Great stuff!

04 April 2005, 11:57 AM (

Here the teacher with textures, I used almost pictures found on the web (thx google :p) and pictures I scanned (shirt and pants also for the belt).
It took time to make the uvmap. Maybe I will work more on the textures later, there is still some glitches.

04 April 2005, 12:11 PM (

Like for the teacher, same techincs used here for the school boy.
I made for both character also a character setup for the future little skinning time for later.
Now I will focus my attention on the hairs and also the last details of the characters cloths. After all this, time to build the school room wll start ;)

04 April 2005, 08:01 PM (

Ok here again an update but this time with some hairs made with paint effects. There is no shadows on the hairs so the picture is not perfect.And I also used only the maya software render engine, no mental ray now.
I think the little character is taking form now.I continue to work on the teacher now.
see you all.

PS: pour les frenchies, je n'ai pas pu résisté avec la texture Brice de Nice, oui j'ai vu le film :p

04 April 2005, 08:06 PM
:eek: Oops there was full connection on the server, i thought the first message was not ok so I deleted the links to the image to not surcharge my thread. Sorry :eek:

Old mess
same picture as above removed

Hi everybody,

an update with the schoolboy with hairs now and a tshirt a lot of french people will recognize :p
So there is no shadows for now on the hairs (made with paint effects tools of maya) and the skinning is far to be perfect for now.
I go to work on the teacher now. Last week of work on the 2 characters I think.

04 April 2005, 06:37 PM (

Just a little update. I tried to get nice render of the character. Almost ok with it. Both characters are almost done now. I am starting to build the school room now.

05 May 2005, 12:02 PM (


here an update after a long time without working..goops.
So this is the "mise en scène" of the picture.I played a lot to get this style of lightning and ambiance. I will add details and some more ligths, or adjust the ones here (2 spot and one ambiant).
Hairs were put on the fly, that's why it's ugly for now the same for some part of the picture where you can see squares. This is because of lot's of render region i made.
Anyway, this picture is here to show what will look like the final one.
c u soon

05 May 2005, 12:38 PM
Your characters are really good! Good luck in completing it :thumbsup:

05 May 2005, 07:18 PM (

Little update, with some details added, colors less saturated, little glow fx and also image grain.Hope it will add a little mistery in the scene and also a more oldy style.
Anyway, I am playing with light and shaders. I am not really happy with the result for now.
Hairs are still added with one more layer on the that ugly result.
I go to solve all this now.

05 May 2005, 12:46 PM (

Beginning of the compositing of the final image. 19 a lot.

I will put 2 final images, I am not sure wich one will be my real final one.

05 May 2005, 01:02 PM (

Ok, my first final image. Of course before 18th of may I will tell wich one will be the real final one.

This one is with an old photo like filter. I tried this, because as I told in my first post, the action takes place in the 60's or 50's in a school room.
On both images, there is a light ghost effect, to add some mistery or some strange/magic atmosphere in the image, just to tell to people this image tells an unreal story.
(The Teacher who is here the master wants the little boy - his servant- to learn some maths, and to do it the Teacher is going to fight the schoolboy).

05 May 2005, 01:07 PM (

Ok, here the same, but without photo filter.
It is more contrasted, and with heavy tone of colors.

I hope a lot of people will like my work. It was my first CG Networks challenge I completed, and when I see how many masters (the CG ones ;) ) are here and are making so much awesome work, I am a little afraid.
But it was for me a nice experience, and I think I will be again in the party for a next challenge.

Next step : the upload of the final image, maybe in few hours, when I will be sure of my choice.

05 May 2005, 12:01 AM
Hey Lilian,
Nice job with this, you created a great image :thumbsup: . I like the cartoony look you gave to the image and the characters are good too. Good luck.

05 May 2005, 02:09 PM
Little last message for the challenge.

So the final version is the color one, I finally made this choice :)
I wasn't able to make a bigger image (1024 pixels large) before the end of the challenge,the rendering time for each pass on my little powerbook g4 are too long, and I didn't want to be stressed for finishing the composition at the end line of time.I will be able to build the same image in a larger resolution in few days, I promise.

I want also to say thanks to everybody in the Cgtalk forum for this moment wich is incredible, even if we work alone in front of our computer.But the little messages I got from other challengers gave me the power to go to the end.So thanks you a lot all.
Also good luck to everybody. I looked a little the work of a lot of people, and there is a lot of incredible works.It's amazing. :applause:

05 May 2005, 02:22 PM
very nice and funny image :thumbsup: good luck

05 May 2005, 02:25 PM
ahahahha, love this one, very expressive image, i am the boy of the picture:applause:

05 May 2005, 03:53 PM
Congrats Lilian! This is a great final image - good luck for you in the voting!

05 May 2005, 05:43 AM
BRILLIANT, CUTE and one of the SUNNYSIDE entries over the challenge.
Best wishes.

05 May 2005, 09:34 AM
i think it's the first time i see your work. it's great!! the kid is very sweet and funny. wish i could see more of his face and those sweet teeth. good luck :thumbsup:

06 June 2005, 04:34 PM
Thanks again for the very sweet messages you sent to me guys :) It's like i won for me :)

As promised here is a high resolution of my image. It is a bit different of the final one I uploaded for the challenge, but I had to optimized a lot of things to reach this resolution in a not too long time, so if you make a big zoom on it you will see directly all the mistakes and glitches of the image.

But anyway I am still happy to have made the big res picture even after the deadline ;)

Here the link (15Mo jpeg file - res is 3636x2727) :

I hope you will like it ;)


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