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03 March 2005, 01:01 AM
Dave Whiting has entered the Master and Servant 3D.

Challenge Page (

Latest Update: Modeling: high poly dog in progress (

painted some more detail in zbrush. looks like pluto at the moment! loads of sculpting on the head still todo...

03 March 2005, 01:11 AM
Wow! here we are at last. This is my first go at a CG Challenge. I'm off to put my thinking cap on!

03 March 2005, 02:41 AM
Okay I have an image in my head of what I'm doing.

It's going to be a woman clutching a group of doberman dog leashes. Who is controlling who? Who is Master and who is Servant? These Dobeman's are not going to be ordinary dogs, oh no, they're super evil mega doberman. :D

I'm not a big fan of dogs, more a cat man. I try to avoid drawing dogs whenether possible, silly old me chose to draw them so I'm doing a study in photoshop at the moment of how they are formed, colours, stance etc...

03 March 2005, 02:48 AM (

I've been googling for pictures of Doberman for my entry. I hate drawing dogs, so I'm going to have to pay attention to this part. Here are aome aketches I've done to get the hang of their structure/colour etc

03 March 2005, 03:29 AM
Good luck to you.

As a cat person you then do understand who is the master with cats ( I was thinking to go in that direction but I'm still thinking)

03 March 2005, 03:35 AM
Hey good luck, nice sketches :thumbsup:

03 March 2005, 02:47 PM
looking good so far, the colours on the studies are right on, good luck

03 March 2005, 04:56 PM (

Here's my idea for the overall layout of the image. At the moment I've placed both of the in some kind of tunnel or arch-way, but I'm thinking I may change that to a tunnel of trees. Who knows...

The doggy took some time getting right. I found it a bit tricky to draw him at that angle. (I'm glad I didn't enter the 2D:D )

03 March 2005, 07:57 PM

Nice dynamic pov.

Your canine study looks pretty good. Were you thinking Doberman so you wouldn't have to deal with shaggy fur?:)

03 March 2005, 07:59 PM
cool dog, but I like the girl better ;)

03 March 2005, 08:26 PM
Thankyou Henrik. I did a doberman because in my opinion, they are one of the meanest looking dogs. I could have done a shaggy poodle, but I don't think it would of had the same effect. :)

Nixor- I'm glad you like the girl better. I'd worry if you prefer dogs! :D

I'm going to work on her face now. I want here to look a bit doll like almost TimBurton-esque...

03 March 2005, 09:21 PM (

Some more definition added to the characters. I'm not sure about the girls face so next step is for me to do a sheet of different style heads and faces for her. Then we'll pick what suits her best!

03 March 2005, 10:38 PM (

Well, this is how I want the girl to look, I think. I've stuck some doodles around, mainly of eyes. I want her to look dark, but not too gothic.

Next step is to pick an outfit for her.

03 March 2005, 11:01 PM (

Some more definition added to the characters. I'm not sure about the girls face so next step is for me to do a sheet of different style heads and faces for her. Then we'll pick what suits her best!

great idea! I have a doberman like this! Only make chest a bit bigger, I mean longer:) I'll be watching you:twisted:
Good luck!

03 March 2005, 11:23 PM
Arturro: Thankyou. I don't have access to a doberman, so if I get desperate at a later date I may have to beg you for some detail photo's :)

03 March 2005, 11:34 PM
hehe, no problem. Just let me know, I can take some photos and send to you:)

03 March 2005, 11:51 PM
Cool sketchs for now , i love the girls face :)
For the composition , i think you should put the woman closer to the dog, she deserve to be near the camera :)

03 March 2005, 02:26 AM
I'm currently drawing clothes in photoshop, trying to find an outfit that would suit the scene.
I'm really having doubts about the tunnel scene. I like the angle, but I feel I should flesh out the picture a little. Maybe I should move the pair outdoors.

Hmmm... Urban or Nature?

03 March 2005, 02:39 AM
Just an Idea since you havent started modeling yet, but to have more of an impact in your image how about Dobermans that look like they are on steroids?...something like the dogs that were in the Hulk :twisted:

Now that would say "Who is the master and who is the servant?"

Good luck with whatever you choose.

03 March 2005, 02:49 AM
KidMesh: As I mentioned somewhere near the beginning, I do indeed want the dog to be super evil. It's a juxta' of the doll like woman and the brutal, almost vampiric dog. I like the way in movies like the Omen, the dog is like some servant of evil, so I want her to look a little vampish, whilst maintaining a sense of purity.

I'm glad you're on my wavelength.:thumbsup:

03 March 2005, 01:15 PM (

I've been mucking around with proportions and out fits and have finally settled with this.
I know I'm doing alot of concept stuff, but you really have to get things right before you start modelling such a grand project.

03 March 2005, 02:38 AM
I've decided to change the scene slightly to a downtown alleyway. I think it will look much better as I'll have alot more detail to play with. I'm not going to change the angle of the camera.

I'm also halfway through making the dog model. I'll post what I've done after I've had some sleep.

03 March 2005, 01:11 PM (

About an hour into the dog modelling. As ypu can see it's starting to take shape already. No major problems so far!

03 March 2005, 11:49 PM
double post - sorry!

03 March 2005, 11:55 PM (

I've done some more to the doggy. I like to switch from xsi to zbrush repeatedly, meshing in xsi then tweaking and sculpting in zbrush. the mouth and paws lack form at present, but I'm saving those for last as they have the highest level of detail.
How does the overall topology look at the moment? All criticisms gladly accepted.

03 March 2005, 12:24 AM (

painted some more detail in zbrush. looks like pluto at the moment! loads of sculpting on the head still todo...

03 March 2005, 01:54 AM
looking good, mookid. i've been thinking of giving zbrush a whirl on this challenge, too. have you been using it long? was it hard to get up to speed? i like that you seem to be going for a sort of stylized look. love your avatar, BTW.

03 March 2005, 02:41 AM
I've had zbrush for about a month. I found it quick to learn, but some of the workflow was a little unusual so it took me a little getting used too. I think that it is a great package for getting artistic results without the technical hassles. It's also a much more intuitive to sculpt with. - like plasticine!

03 March 2005, 03:04 AM
gr8 start buddy... u seend really xcited in the denerel discussion thread abt the challange... wish u all the best for it ur concepts looks really promising... i'll b waitng to c some more from u :thumbsup:

03 March 2005, 04:38 AM
Hey I see your thread has gone to the dogs :scream:

Nice start!

03 March 2005, 10:03 AM
Kidmesh: your wit astounds me! :D

overcontrast: Thankyou. Who couldn't be excited about the cg-challenges?

03 March 2005, 11:17 AM
thanks for the info, mookid. :thumbsup:

03 March 2005, 12:39 PM
I couldn't reccomend it enough.

Hey everyone! I'm off to my friends place for the Easter weekend. I wish every one the best of luck with their concept sketches and modelling. I guess by the time I get back home my thread will be relegated to page 30! So, keep popping in and dust the cobwebs for me.



03 March 2005, 12:45 PM
Enjoy your weekend, I hope you come back with a raging fire to kick your contest idea back into high gear cause some is going to have to clean up after those dogs!

03 March 2005, 02:34 PM
COOOL STYLE! the dog model is simple and cool!! VERY WELL DONE! i like it a lot.the girl is well designed too!


03 March 2005, 11:13 AM
So who's gonna feed the dogs while he's out ? :scream:

03 March 2005, 11:34 AM
Great work man! :wise: keep going:thumbsup:

03 March 2005, 04:09 PM
Hey mookid! Good start :thumbsup: Woof Woof ! I mean good luck

03 March 2005, 05:48 PM
Hi Mookid

Great concepts you wnt trough. THe gothgirl looks almost as scary like her doggy. great style,
kewl sketching, nice use of zb yet, its early so i won't crit much yet. keep it up :)
have fun and best luck, cheers:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

03 March 2005, 02:36 PM
Hey man hope you had a killer weekend!


04 April 2005, 10:53 PM
Hey man dog's are getting hungry :scream:

Looking forward to more updates!

04 April 2005, 10:56 PM
Nice start with the doggy. Keep it up.

04 April 2005, 05:10 AM
for some who say they don't like drawing dog make up at making very good modeling of one and I cann't wait to see the girl that your working on...keep up the work

handsonfire <- this is my thread

04 April 2005, 06:37 AM
I like the sketches and the dog model, I think that the dog ears are a little wide
Good luck:thumbsup:

04 April 2005, 12:27 AM
Hey There!

Bet you thought I weren't coming back. The last couple of weeks were busy work-wise so I have to get on if I'm going to get this finished on time. I'll post later tonight with some progress

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