View Full Version : OT the DEMAND to see WIRES!!

03 March 2005, 01:08 PM
Often when someone posts a model in the the WIP forums here there is
a frantic and urgent Demand for WIRES!!:bounce:
not sure why this is but nearly two years ago an artist named Kim Goosens
caused quite a "stir" over at CG Channel with Images of a cartoon
style female model he called "G.I.R.L."

He later $$$sold$$ the model to DAZ inc. who of course retasked the model
for release to the poser community.
his G.I.R.L. model spawned several wannbee lookalikes in the months
preceeding her release for poser.

recently one of those wannabees (Alexa) was recalled after more than a year
of sales because somehow it was determined that her creator used the WIRE SCREENSHOTS
Goosens posted in the forums, as a "guide" for vertice placement.
this person also used some "borrowed geometry" from the neck of another popular
DAZ model.

MY point is be careful posting Hires detailed wireframe front /side shots
of your work in web forums:wise:

Apparently it can be plagiarised by skillful forgers.

03 March 2005, 07:00 AM
Reason why people request "wires" is because they simply want to see how you did what you did. And if it looks good you can bet that they will try to emulate your layout. Nothing wrong with it in my opinion as, people have been borrowing technique since the dawn of art.

Though, I understand your concern and, I am not disagreeing with your statement. But, laying claim to a topology is ridiculous. I say that because, if you are thinking it then 10 other people are doing it....

03 March 2005, 09:37 AM
I'd want to see someone's wires in the WIP forum to be able to better critique their work. If you can see the wires, you can give tips on topology and their modeling flow, and whatnot.
It's also more difficult for people to cheat/plagiarize when people ask to see that kind of info.

Personally, if someone managed to duplicate one of my models based on a wireframe shot or two, I'd be extremely impressed. Not that I would condone that, but it seems like it would almost take more effort to copy the vertex placement based on a perspective view with any degree of accuracy, as well as copying in pieces from other models, than to just build something entirely from scratch. Either way though, I don't think there's really all that much to worry about. :shrug:

03 March 2005, 01:56 PM
Well if the problem is with a fear of getting copied just rotate the model so it's not in a perfect side or front orthographic view,as long as people can see enough of your wires.

05 May 2005, 05:57 AM
Man, if you have the patience to model something based on vertice placement, you deserve to have that model. How is it different from just modeling from the shaded image? Is modelling a Ford Mustang plagerizing from the designer of the actual car? It sounds like a grand waste of time to do such a thing.

I hate the phrase "Copying is just a form of a compliment" just as much as anyone else. It's bull, but whatever. The real truth is those who flat out steal or copy generally don't do as good of a job as the original. I've had ideas stolen and copied all through school, but I just take a deep breathe, and think, I came up with the idea and I'm going to execute it better. And that's what happens. Uncreative copy artists won't make great art until they move on. Everyone copies to start, it's how you learn. If someone wants to copy a model of mine vertice by vertice then go ahead, sounds like boring evening.

05 May 2005, 09:28 AM
And if you've got enough skill to copy vertices from wire mesh views with even a hint of accuracy that would be required, why not put that skill to use putting together your own work? It would be far easier to create something individual than it would trying to match up points exactly to someone else's mesh (or wire views)

05 May 2005, 04:01 AM
I'd be honored if someone liked my topology enough to steal it :)

Maybe it's the socialist in me speaking but isn't the point of a community to share? :)

05 May 2005, 03:30 PM
I aggree with CTRL-Z, anyone should be able to learn by studying other people's topologies. I myself learnt a lot by looking at Bay Raitt's vids. The only thing I'd be careful about is to post hires ortho views of your model since it can then be copied as StephanD said.

In fact I'm not adding anything new to the thread, just aggreeing :)


05 May 2005, 02:00 AM
I dont model by placing wires on other people goemetry but, i find it useful when people include their wires, i learn a lot from seeing others topo. I dont think its a crime to model along someone's wire, because well "who's going to stop you from doing it ?". I sometime paint textures by looking at other people way of doing it.

The only thing would be, not to go and sale that product unless you clearly specify that it was vertex placed and credited the author.

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