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10 October 2004, 04:28 PM
John Pattullo has entered the Grand Space Opera 3D.

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Latest Update: Rendering: The Squidy Fish Ship Slaughter (

jsut trying to work out where to put things in the battlefield so have to apoligise for the low res and not so great quality

the squiddy ships aren't complete yet though they are abit further along that i've shown so far anyway things are progressing - figured i will go with this idea now as i dont ahve time to change my mind yet again

10 October 2004, 04:34 PM
Welcome to the challenge,:thumbsup:
Hope to see your first concepts.:)

11 November 2004, 04:16 AM (

ok plots storys pretty simple here, got a fleet or big ships heading towards an unsuspecting galaxy ripe for conquest. and there looking out over his fleet is the supreme overlord bent on universal domination.

this was the first concept sketch (though at the time of writing i have another one and some of the work done as my scanner wasn't working for some reason earlier)

11 November 2004, 04:20 AM (

ok here sort of the basic scene setup from the concept sketch thoguh from the next sketch you'll see where i ahve desicded to change some thigns mostly the foreground room making ti looks more solid and more futuristic

11 November 2004, 04:22 AM (

ok here how i see things going abit more - haven't quite worked out hwo to produce the galaxy effect just yet but i'll think of something i'm sure

11 November 2004, 04:27 AM
Very epic-looking. I like the ships.

Will all the ships in the fleet be the same? A massive colony ship would look nice being escorted by the others.

11 November 2004, 04:40 AM (

ok her eth destroyer - it started out as jsut afew boxes and shapes but then i figured hmmmmm why not greeble them and kinda go with that layered effect - i like it so far we'll see how it goes when its closer to being finsihed and i worked out where everything goes etc

11 November 2004, 04:43 AM (

not alot extra to say jstu a wireframe view from below

11 November 2004, 04:46 AM (

side wireframe - and thats me about upto date now =)

11 November 2004, 04:50 AM
there will be some fighters and shuttles but the biggest ships willb e these battlecrusiers its an invasion fleet not colonisation

i might add some supply vessels etc though for abit of variation all depends how much time i have to spare - should ahve been doing some payed work today but heh master of procrastination me =) and well spaceships are always more fun than houses

11 November 2004, 05:51 AM
Love the lighting on the destroyer render. Very cinamatic. Shows off the details wonderfully.

Keep up the fantastic work. I'm now subscribed to this one! :)

11 November 2004, 04:54 PM (

hm what to say about this one, well first up galaxy curtisey of the andromeda galaxy, and astronomer and a huge telescope.

on that note does anyone know if we are allowed to use photographic background plates? as wouldn't half make my job simpler =/

done alittle more to the ships - altered the upper deck to something mroe interesting

added more detail etc

threw some lights into the scene hence my pretence for calling this a lighting shot when its more jsut a play test render

anyway enjoy - as always comments and grits welcome

11 November 2004, 05:36 PM
I really like the detail. It could show up a little better if you added a light source on the wings to focus on the detail as the light spreads across them. Maybe a cotrast color to the blue exhaust.

11 November 2004, 05:44 PM
ships look nice!

11 November 2004, 07:02 PM
just source some opinions here - guns - does it need some? i'm thinking i wanna add some but then i think no this ship is supposed to be huge - your not going to see any guns on it - but what you guys think?

11 November 2004, 08:39 PM
very nice, very star warsish, which is a good thing imo.

If the ships are supposed to be huge then I wouldn't spend time with the guns since they will barely be seen from the distance. Now, if you use a closer view then it would be a good idea. The Star Destroyer's guns in SW are not that visible from the distance but they are when close up.

I would make my own bg, you are very talented and should try to make your own if time permits, otherwise use any suitable bg image like in your render above. jusy my opinion.

11 November 2004, 10:51 PM
WOW :eek: that's some fast modeling! I love your work so far! Keep it up and good luck :) Can't wait to see more :bounce:

11 November 2004, 12:06 AM (

ok here's the beginings of the droid - think 4 legged R2D2 with a gun to defend its master also doubles as a holo projector

as you can see only got the legs done so far

11 November 2004, 01:56 AM (

ok droid finsihed modeling - texture this then maybe a fighter or the guy in the robes - then finish up the amin ship and heh i'll be nearly done - heh and this is only the second day i've been working on it :D

11 November 2004, 02:41 AM
Your modeling looks great , as for your battlecruiser , I think it has to have something ,most battleships have guns of some sort . Maybe have hangers for a squadron of fighters as well.
It is looking great so far.
My space opera entry.

11 November 2004, 03:22 AM
its not that it doesn't have guns its that they aren't visable because the ships is big so they are supposedly lost in the surface detail

think stardestroyer you dont see the guns on it - hmmmm anyway i might amke some and see if i cant work a close up of them into the scene somehow

11 November 2004, 03:46 AM
wow.. nice mecha is here... very cool!! man!!
keep up.. and a just thing.. the legs tri-cilinders.. is not fragile?!

best luck dude!

11 November 2004, 04:39 AM
its not a combat droid - its sort of a helper droid that can protect its owner if an attempt is made on there life - as i said R2D2 with a gun.

any sort of heavy weapon will knock it out and the main body is easier to hit anyway so if a leg gets blown off then the guy shooting at you came prepared to deal with it anyway

11 November 2004, 04:53 AM (

testing some lighting setups for the veiwing galary other - gonna go with teh groid providing most of the illumination with jsut a ncie background ambient pretty much like this pic

11 November 2004, 05:54 PM (

afew shots of the ship ( added some mroe detail and bits )

thought might liek to see it with better lighting

11 November 2004, 05:56 PM (

as above

11 November 2004, 05:57 PM (


11 November 2004, 06:09 PM
Looking good so far.
Nice work !

I stay tuned...

11 November 2004, 07:16 PM
deadly force.........jaw is on the floor here jsut checked out your mechinaflesh thingy - damn that is awesome work - i would wish you luck with this challenge but i dont think you'll need it - i better hog it all for myself =)

i envy your talent!

11 November 2004, 07:24 PM
I love the green lighting for you holo droid, looks exactly as I'd imagine it would in real life

TiTaNiuM sAMuRa
11 November 2004, 07:30 PM
Your models look great. How will you light the ships, since they're in space?

11 November 2004, 07:36 PM
Impressing LOD you have on the last render :thumbsup:

11 November 2004, 07:55 PM
I like the way you present your models.

11 November 2004, 10:12 PM
lighting the ships is what i'm trying to work out seems a waste to model all teh detail in if you can see it yet and realistically in space ( even mroe so in intergalactic space ) there is very little light and since the source tend to be very distant its tend to work very much like a distant light

i was begining to consider throwing a local planet - sort or making the story that the race living around this lone star as it drifted through intergalactic space watched as they drifted into the proximiaty of the galaxy and over the millenia harboured dreams of conquest to let them grow since obvioulsy they have limited room in there own system

anyway the shot woudl then be of the fleet in orbit of there world with the new galaxy firmly in there sights as the fleet sets sail

anyway this would give me an excuse to have a strong(ish) secondary light source that could be bouncing light onto the ships from another angle - basically i'll try and light them to there best advantage ( to the degree with which i can lighting is by no means a speciality of mine) then work up some visual clues as to where that lighting is coming from

11 November 2004, 11:29 PM (

added some detailing to the wing leading adn trailing edges added some supports also added some detail on the engines - opinions on that if you have any please

i'm going to build a new upper deck the shape is aquward to detail nicely so thought i would jstu build high res from teh begining this time round

also kinda edging towards putting some gun turrets on the wing tips sort of a hmmmm well easier to show than tell so will hopefully be in the next version for you gusy to give you opinions on

11 November 2004, 04:17 AM
Wow this looks cool, you jumped straight into it. great work :thumbsup:

11 November 2004, 08:17 AM
Great detailing! Most of all I like the engines! The Droid is very cool... If you have time you should animate the little creature and post an animation ;) Keep it up mate!

11 November 2004, 08:13 PM (

slight alteration to teh viewing gallery - what you think??

hmmmm well work on it abit more see what comes of it

11 November 2004, 08:27 PM
i actaully do have an animation of the him jumping into a the air and repositioning his feet abit afterwards - nothign much but once i got him set up i desicded ot have a little play its only about 5 secs long though

11 November 2004, 08:29 PM
Great modeling. Your destroyer conveys perfectly the scale and function of the ship. I is also original in its design. Great job. And the droid looks cool also. I found your concept very appealing... You've gave the scena an ominous feeling so far. I like it. Maybe to increase the large scale feeling you might add some smaller starships, fighters and ferrys or whatever. Well... keep it up! I'll be checking it often. Bye.

11 November 2004, 09:32 PM (

ok here the scene without the dude or the ships - galaxy etc jsut the droid and the foreground set

sorry for the low quality but its radiosity and i cant be bothered to wait more than 10 mins for a simple test

11 November 2004, 10:10 PM
I especially like the bot and the detail on the ship. Great to see.

11 November 2004, 04:54 AM
Looking good nice mood with the lighting :)

11 November 2004, 06:07 AM
Nice design in the droid , the holographic thing is great, really like the details in the ship and the concept .

Keep the good work :thumbsup:

11 November 2004, 04:53 PM (

ok bugun work on teh upper deck jsut got the from in place and not all of it at that - done the reactors though
progessing nicely

i think because it a complex model i'll have to try and jsut do a simple texture job on it as i dont have the skills to texture this properly anyway all that is still to come

11 November 2004, 01:56 AM (

ok dokey this is the fighter - highly unorigianl i know i jsut started off with teh idea of lets make a ship from a diamond and then realised that its a jedi starfighter cross colonial viper =/ but frankly this will probally barely be seen if at all since gonna be tiny next to the battle crusiers

anyway started to give it some grime and will texture it fully tomorrow (inbetween some payed work) just incase i need a close up of it

11 November 2004, 05:55 AM

thats some insane detail you got there. If your texturing comes out as good as your modeling, this is going to be a very intracate piece of art. Keep the updates coming. Great job!


11 November 2004, 08:57 PM (

well was just doing abit of texture work on the fighter and the crusier and then trying to get a nice image out of them and i came up with this

the textures are still very much wip fear not ( yet ) but its enough to give you an idea anyway to the point after playing around and doing this i began to think on my concept - i think i might change it - getting a nice light setup in the dark of space isn't easy it either looks too dark and shadows everywhere flat or jsut that there are to many lightsources for it being in space

so i was wondering if i might switch of a planetary shot of some sort anyway we'll see

11 November 2004, 06:08 AM (

this is basically teh same as above with afew added extras - afew extra lights on the ship is about the only geometry difference though

altered the lighting abit to help give it abit more life - think it looks abit better

also due to Fprimes inability to render volumetrics or even lense flares the engine glows adn thrusts were rendered out seperatly and comped together afterwards - also used a shot with motion blur and one without and brough them together to give the impression of motion without loosing all the detail

i finished it up by makinga copy of all that increasing the contrast abit then blurring it and then dropping the opacity of the layer over the first one

oh also then desaurated it in parts with an ajustment layer and a layer mask

11 November 2004, 07:13 AM
wow...those designs are just awesome...nice job mate...about your render i really dont like the blur...i think is too much blur...well maybe is ok but is hard to hide your great modeling behind that blur....maybe if your ships move slower, dont listen to me ..i just think your work is great:thumbsup:

11 November 2004, 01:28 PM
that last one is beautiful, I agree when you say the lighting looks better like this than in space, it would be a shame to waste all the details you've put on the ships and this lighting seems to pick them out very nicely

11 November 2004, 03:07 PM
WOW damn i love that ship. Has got a lot of nice detail man.

11 November 2004, 06:16 PM
Well the lights and engine glows centainly do the trick, the image really looks great, alive and worm, very nice atmosphere indeed, thumbs up!

11 November 2004, 09:10 PM (

jsut trying to think up a new concept now struggling with this - here i was thinking some poor civilisation confronted by the arrival of humans intent on taking over this planet

ohhhhhh tahts gives me an idea

how about an prehistoric civilsation confronted with the arrival of a technolically advanced race have them cowering un there caves or mud huts etc

11 November 2004, 11:29 PM
Wonderful detail and lighting.

Perhaps your original premise would work? But just change the setting from deep space to planetside...

The Emperor standing upon a high balcony overlooking a metropolis, watching his invasion fleet set off. Maybe with a sea of troops in formation below...

11 November 2004, 11:50 PM
Beautiful colours!! great work on lighting and mood:thumbsup: But I would advice to make this cruiser more used. some dirt, skratches. It looks like a new one, just from the ship showroom:bounce:

11 November 2004, 12:06 AM
only prob with doing as you say is that my ship already looks star warsy and has stardestroyeritis the fighter is very jedi starfighterish and if i do as you say thats the scene from the end of episode 2 =/

i had considered doing as you say but then teh whole thing would reek of starwars ( not that the reek of starwars is bad but not approriate for this challege) that said if i cant think of anything else to do.............

11 November 2004, 12:30 AM
I like what you have done, dont change it :) Maybe having people standing ontop of a building looking up. They could be small to make the ship look massive. Maybe another mothership in the distance over some other buildings....just a thought.

11 November 2004, 12:57 AM
Hi LW user!!

Your work is wonderfull...I love the look and the modeling. What type of modeling are you using, sub-d or poly? And what type of lighting are you using? sorry for all the questions. Now it looks like your at the hard part, the composition. Your ship has so much detail, it would be a shame to loose it in the backgroud.

good luck

11 November 2004, 02:58 AM (

ok well what to say - the transport is jsut temp till i do somethign more interesting - might have marines jumping out of it on rapelling ropes or somethign exciting

worked abit on the textures adn surfacing of the crusier should be abit dirtier than before

and fianlly threw a load more ships in - haven't done all the engine flares etc yet though

11 November 2004, 03:02 AM
I think you could stretch out the canvas a little more. The modelling is top notch but I think the aspect of the image kills the epic feel of it. Maybe stretch it widthwise or lengthwise and see what happens. Like I said those models are fantastic.

11 November 2004, 05:38 AM
dats one crrazycool big ship u got there wwow!

11 November 2004, 06:00 AM
Those latest renderings look awesome. Your detailing is impressive and I like the design of your ships. The lighting in these last renders looks very good.

11 November 2004, 07:59 PM
This is looking sweet. Love the details. :thumbsup:

11 November 2004, 02:47 PM
Well don't get rid of the motion blur. I think it was good, just a little overkill. Awesome modeling and texturing. :thumbsup: I can't wait to see it finished.

11 November 2004, 03:03 PM
Very nice scene !!
I agree with Gollum15, you can use motion blur but I suggest you use it on the smaller ships only because the big ones you know they don't move so much (except when dropping out of hyperspace :D ).
The colors and mood are really great !

Keep going on !

11 November 2004, 05:18 PM
waaw!!great render-lightin'&modelin'bravo!love really the light supa goodwork :bounce: !!

11 November 2004, 04:56 PM
looking real nice, first I thought that the fighter was too long but by looking at them next to the big ship they seem to be ok. Keep up the good work.

11 November 2004, 05:32 PM
The new concept is cool too.. It's very hard to decide which idea is better..
I think you should be very selective with the colours you choose to put on your scene, I think that the kind of scene you want to make can be really improved if you choose right the colors.
Nice work!!

12 December 2004, 07:28 AM (

been a while since i did anything for this been busy and frankly still am but some procrastication over works leads to abit more of this done

kinda exploring ideas again droid in a desert here - jsut trying to work out how to make it fit the brief ( wrong way round i know but i'm rapidly aprroaching an impass when it comes to my composition)

anyway this one i think qualifys as a render so enjoy

12 December 2004, 08:45 AM
The models look great! I really love the sunset cruise image. I am definately going to follow this thread!

12 December 2004, 06:45 PM
ok this is a break from my original idea but i was thinking it might be cool to have basically the above with a queen in a fancy outfit digging her own grave with some soliders watching over her with guns etc - what ya think?

perhaps the smoking ruin of a city in the distance and never know might get a battle curiser in the sky overhead - though i think that might spoil take away from the focal point the queen in the middle of knowwhere digging her own grave

12 December 2004, 06:56 PM
Man!! your last update is like a photo! congratulations! But it doesn/t rock as much as your ships:bounce: I'll be watching your progress!

12 December 2004, 11:39 PM (

ok been on abit of a bender and done queeny - well not done =/ arms and hands temp as is the hair and the head needs work too =/ but they dress turned out pretty sweet

12 December 2004, 02:25 AM
smoothed out the wrinkles abit they are jstu abit over the top looks much better now but not worth posting again - if anyone has anysuggestions for a composition as i have made a laod of stuff for this i now have this character, i have a marine that was to be jumping out of the transports, the droid, 3 ships with a 4 underway ( a varition on teh battlecrusier possibly a complete replacement ) got the elements piling up but have yet to think upa great idea what to do with them

12 December 2004, 05:35 AM (

ok here a little update to queeny - the fixed dress and hair ( dont say a word - i know i cant do hair but this is the best hair i have ever produced =/ and took me all me longer than the rest of the model well maybe not quite but almost ) anyway this is a wireframe for your disection will post a nice cel chaded one in aew mins

12 December 2004, 05:37 AM (

cel queeny well was never really intending to do cel shaded but i jsut did this quickly and it look spretty cool so i would put it on here too

12 December 2004, 08:50 AM
very good ship modelling. looks very impressive. want to see more...:-)

12 December 2004, 12:13 AM
very nice character work! the last render looks really good

01 January 2005, 05:36 AM (

really struggling for a idea - always finding somethign about my ideas thats making them not work ( lighting seems to be the most tricky so i'm back trying to work out a composition and no luck yet anyway slightly different shot of the crusier

01 January 2005, 05:40 AM (

as before really just an another of my fruitless attempts

hm running out of time depressing as it is i might not finish this challenge simply for the lack of half decent idea

01 January 2005, 06:59 PM (

well thougth i would show a nice pic of fighter

01 January 2005, 09:31 PM
Hi there John!
Prety great textures Youwe done here :beer: .
Suggest to add some volume lights and glows for the engines, heres a nice tut about it:

01 January 2005, 05:40 AM
The fighters coming pretty good, I've always enjoyed starship modeling myself. Try beveling the edge a little on the nose of the fighter, It will make it look a little less polygonal. Overall it's looking good.

01 January 2005, 06:38 AM
Isn't that Obi-Wan's fighter from EPII?

If it's not it looks very similiar... I'd suggest modifying it so that the similarities and / or potential copyright issues don't derail your work.

Still... beautiful job modeling and texturing!

01 January 2005, 11:41 PM
yup there are similaritys between it and the jedi starfighter - also some similaritys between it and the coloninal viper from battlestar galactica - and well its maybe abit clsoe for comfort but i was aiming for a diamond shaped craft and well that kinda set all the similaritys in motions and nothing can be done about it without a total redesign adn frankly i think its just different enough to get away with it

besdies i lieke my Kunai Fighter

anyway while i am working on one final composition idea thats turning out better than the rest ( actaully almsot back to my original idea ) i probally wont finish in time so if my design smacks of a jedi fighter or not wont matter to much

01 January 2005, 01:14 AM (

ok kinda gone back to my original idea - might work we'll see still got afew days to think on it

01 January 2005, 01:17 AM
very cool stuff.. kinda risky switching the last few days but the image looks close to done so ... better get to rendering =)

01 January 2005, 01:27 AM
I like it, I like it a lot! But I would see more ships there... perhaps in the background, so that the fact that they are the same won't be noticeable.

01 January 2005, 04:29 AM
yup there gonna be more ships - infact =) i'm gonna throw in a battle =) currently trying to work out a design for the bad hmmm well other guys ships =/ talk about leaving it to the last minute =)

01 January 2005, 05:58 AM (

well the start on the other guys ship wanted somethign very different from the previous ships so i thought to myself organic design then for some reason an image of a squid appeared in my mind so i present to you the early stages of the squiddy fish ship

01 January 2005, 08:10 PM (

jsut trying to work out where to put things in the battlefield so have to apoligise for the low res and not so great quality

the squiddy ships aren't complete yet though they are abit further along that i've shown so far anyway things are progressing - figured i will go with this idea now as i dont ahve time to change my mind yet again

01 January 2005, 02:00 AM
Hey KillMe, came across a thread you started over at Buzz about your entry, so I just stopped to see your progress. Are you still going to enter your entry?

01 January 2005, 05:09 AM
i was planning on finishing it up this weekend but - cleint wanted some stuff done quickly over the weekend and - my choice was between enteringa compettion is have no chance of even getting anythign expcept heras a bobby prize or a couple hundred quid well the option seemed obvious to me so nope wont have time to even render out what i have to a good quality and size

shame but nevermind i'll finish up the image later for my own collectiosn fo pieces but ahtsa bout it =/

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