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Smooth-Criminal
10 October 2004, 04:09 PM
Gerardo Damian Barbero has entered the Grand Space Opera 3D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/grandspaceopera/view_entries.php?challenger=4777)

Latest Update: Post Effects and Compositing: composition layers
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1106069513_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1106069513_large.jpg)

i miss this part.

COMPOSITION:

1 BACKGROUND: painted in photoshop
2 MOUNTAINS AND MORE DISTANT CITY: RENDER 5 Hs. 50min
3 CITY: RENDER 4 Hs. aprox.
4 BALCONY: RENDER 3Hs 30min aprox.

A: 3 LAYERS MERGED: big ship, aditional clouds covering the ship and trails.
all painted in photoshop.
B: other ships.
c: CITY: extra dirt and color.

this are the most important layers, there are others like specular bloom, fx. turbines of the ships and fog.

well this is all.!!

Smooth-Criminal
11 November 2004, 01:25 PM
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keetmun
11 November 2004, 01:30 PM
Basic sketch? That's very impressive!

Nice composition and basic colours. I'll be watching in excitement!

:buttrock:

Smooth-Criminal
11 November 2004, 01:37 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1099316226_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1099316226_large.jpg)

Only a basic sketch without much detail,the history is:
a big civilization in its maximum splendor, in the horizon a great enemy comes near(I have still not decided de form of this enemy, maybe a big ship or a catastrophic event)
at that moment the character( a king or emperor) it contemplates the last moments of its civilization.

Smooth-Criminal
11 November 2004, 01:53 PM
thanks, but I am not very good to sketch, coming soon I am going to add a version in color (of which very I am not convinced).:hmm:

Smooth-Criminal
11 November 2004, 01:30 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1099402224_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1099402224_large.jpg)

I added something of color, now I am going to begin to model.

arturro
11 November 2004, 02:13 PM
Very nice sketch! I like these calm colours, but I feel lack of strong red colours. I don't know why, but I would see some firey/orange/red elements in this composition.
Nice start! I'm waiting to see more:)

Smooth-Criminal
11 November 2004, 02:28 PM
thanks for your opinion, you are right, the truth is that I am not in agreement with the colors, but this is only a test and I start to model now, i hope to continue receiving your advice.:thumbsup:

Smooth-Criminal
11 November 2004, 06:54 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1099767285_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1099767285_large.jpg)

these are some designs of some decorations of the buildings and other structures, also some models of ships, I want to add a ghotic-futurist style to the civilization.
I am going to begin to model a type of gargoyle that is to the sides of the balcony.

Jaba153
11 November 2004, 07:20 PM
very good start geraldo! love the gothic details! bravo! keepgoin':buttrock:

Smooth-Criminal
11 November 2004, 11:32 PM
thanks, I am glad that you like, now I am going to add some renders.:wip:

Smooth-Criminal
11 November 2004, 11:40 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1099784412_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1099784412_large.jpg)

modeled of the head of the gargoyle.

Smooth-Criminal
11 November 2004, 03:13 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1099840398_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1099840398_large.jpg)

an update, more coming soon.

Nomad
11 November 2004, 04:41 PM
I like the decorations and the head. Nice start :thumbsup:

Gamoron
11 November 2004, 04:46 PM
Cool head. Reminds me of the Dark Crystal. I was surprised to see this look, I guess because I envisioned a human king. I'm glad you went for something more creative. NIce model too.

Smooth-Criminal
11 November 2004, 01:17 PM
Nomad: thanks for your support!!

Gamoron: definitively the character is not going to be human ( the sketch it is not very detailed in this aspect) I am trying to add a more elaborated style.:wip:

cgchris
11 November 2004, 01:33 PM
Great concept sketches.

In some of the drawings, the floor seems to resemble a chess board, was this intentional? It could possibly add to the theme of the piece if used in combination with the king.

Great work and Best of Luck

Smooth-Criminal
11 November 2004, 01:56 PM
your you are a very good observer, but i add this to only fill the ground. :thumbsup:

dp76
11 November 2004, 01:38 AM
Only a basic sketch without much detail,the history is:
a big civilization in its maximum splendor, in the horizon a great enemy comes near(I have still not decided de form of this enemy, maybe a big ship or a catastrophic event)
at that moment the character( a king or emperor) it contemplates the last moments of its civilization.
Fine model (the head).

Good story but it is a little short.

Seems to be a good idea to develop this story.

Good luck at the challenge!

Smooth-Criminal
11 November 2004, 01:57 PM
Thanks man!, i am working in adding more datail to the history.:)

Crin
11 November 2004, 01:13 PM
Stunning character you have there. i'm really looking forward to seeing him completed.

Smooth-Criminal
11 November 2004, 02:08 AM
thanks! i add more very soon.:wip:

Smooth-Criminal
11 November 2004, 02:28 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1100485713_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1100485713_large.jpg)

finished balcony, and illumination
( brazil - 1 omni and 1 skylight )

Smooth-Criminal
11 November 2004, 02:43 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1100486588_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1100486588_large.jpg)

Modeling - wire .

Vittorius
11 November 2004, 03:17 AM
WOW, That is some nice detailed modeling, Keep up the good work !!!:applause:








My CG Challenge XVI - Grand Space Opera - 3D Thread (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=185732)

Kaksht
11 November 2004, 05:41 AM
Nice modeling and a great balcony :) Prety good atention to the details, thumbs up Smooth Criminal :thumbsup:

Smooth-Criminal
11 November 2004, 12:26 PM
Vittorius & Kaksht : thanks, now i am going to add more details:thumbsup:

Smooth-Criminal
11 November 2004, 12:36 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1100522182_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1100522182_large.jpg)

adding more detail with bump maps and some test with metalic materials.

keetmun
11 November 2004, 12:39 PM
I really like the style you have, the concept was already fantastic in the first place, but all your designs are very very strong! I think your style will be distinguished from the rest easily! Cheers, and keep going!

:buttrock:

kaajey
11 November 2004, 01:22 PM
You are doing almost the same as I do:sad:

But it is good idea. May be some cooperation will improve our final images:)

See this one>

Smooth-Criminal
11 November 2004, 02:41 PM
keetmun: thanks for your commentaries! i hope to follow this style in the rest of the image.
Cheers!!!:cool:

kaajey: i think the same, but don't worry about this, many people have similar ideas, city being destroyed, kings, emperors etc. but all are following different ways. keep going!!
Good Luck!!!:buttrock:

dp76
11 November 2004, 12:24 AM
adding more detail with bump maps and some test with metalic materials.
Muuuuy bueno.

Good detail, very balanced.

keep going!

WazaR
11 November 2004, 02:57 AM
Intersting design.

What technique are you using for the construction of the geometry????

Smooth-Criminal
11 November 2004, 12:25 PM
Daniel Pittaluga: thanks, i hope to finish it in time.:)

WazaR: i use 3dsmax - box modeling with the inset tool --> extrusions -->and of course mesh-smooth.:thumbsup:

Smooth-Criminal
11 November 2004, 12:31 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1101126697_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1101126697_large.jpg)

this it is a building that this in the top of a mountain, I must add more detail in some parts but this almost finished.

Kaksht
11 November 2004, 12:45 PM
Hi Gerardo, the building looks good, a quality amount details, thumbs up man! Keep it up and we will see ya in the final :applause:

Smooth-Criminal
11 November 2004, 01:02 PM
thanks for your opinion, i add more in a moment ,and I hope to arrive in the end!!:thumbsup:

Smooth-Criminal
11 November 2004, 01:21 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1101129691_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1101129691_large.jpg)

i add some dirt to the building, I am going to continue experimenting!!

overcontrast
11 November 2004, 03:28 PM
wowo, that is soo cool... really like the way u model.. awesome details.. great works mate.. keep it up.. best wishes from me... brb for more updates...keep it up :thumbsup:

arturro
11 November 2004, 04:08 PM
What can I say, your models rock:buttrock: I can only advice to experiment more with the colors. I wouldn't give a one color to the building. For example give different colors for the roofs, for the sculptures, for the walls in the top part. And make this dirt more visible.

Good progress, keep it rollin' :)

Nomad
11 November 2004, 07:06 PM
Agree with arturro, your building is great but it needs few color variations.


Exellent work :thumbsup:

neble
11 November 2004, 07:14 PM
Your modeling looks great, has a really fluid feel. Looking forward to seeing what it looks like with textures.

Smooth-Criminal
11 November 2004, 07:41 PM
arturro - Nomad: thanks for the opinions, but dont worry the model it is not textured (only dirt effect), and yes definitely i am going to add diferent textures and colors to the diferents parts,and a more visible dirt effect, thanks for the advice.:thumbsup:

neble: thanks, i am working on that:)

visualact
11 November 2004, 09:52 PM
nice model
simple extrudes but heuge model:applause:

Deadlyforce
11 November 2004, 11:04 PM
Very nice models !

Just a little crit though : a square base connecting to an hemisphere (the dome at the top) makes the whole building looks strange.

Good luck !
Waiting for updates.
:)

Smooth-Criminal
11 November 2004, 01:20 PM
visualact.com: thanks, I am addict to extrudes, long live to extrudes!!:bounce:

Deadly Force: I am thinking about changing that part, thanks for the crit.:thumbsup:

keetmun
11 November 2004, 01:28 PM
Damn cool...Lots of detail. I especially like the alien 'statue', oozing with style. Very nice, can't wait to see it textured!

Cheers
:buttrock:

Smooth-Criminal
11 November 2004, 12:28 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1101385684_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1101385684_large.jpg)

i put the building in position and add other structure in the mountain.
I must add more trees in the base of the mountain. I have not modified the top building, only i want to see how it´s look all together.

visualact
11 November 2004, 04:12 PM
hey men............... you have a very stylic rock. keep that:bounce:

arturro
11 November 2004, 04:27 PM
Great! I would only advice to add some moss to the rock, or maybe some small grass areas on the rocky shelfes.

Smooth-Criminal
11 November 2004, 01:34 PM
visualact.com: thanks men!:bounce:
arturro: it was thinking about that, it would be a good idea, thanks!!:thumbsup:

Smooth-Criminal
11 November 2004, 02:15 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1101478551_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1101478551_large.jpg)

more experiments, this time all together, is only to see the whole, it has many errors, I must change the bridge and the location of the building, i put a lowpoly model to see the perspective.

Nomad
11 November 2004, 03:03 PM
Wow thats looks already great :applause:
Can`t wait to see the ships and the explosion you planned :bounce:

Keep up the great art :thumbsup:

keetmun
11 November 2004, 03:44 PM
Very beautiful. Simply beautiful. I want to see more! Really I do!

Cheers!
:buttrock: :beer:

SUN
11 November 2004, 06:52 PM
...........................................
:bounce: FANTASTIC ARTWORK:bounce:
:bounce: Great style and details:bounce:
.........................................

visualact
11 November 2004, 06:55 PM
nice:drool:
dont rescale the bridg ...............

adr
11 November 2004, 07:21 PM
Impressive update pal , you have a nice piece here , the building is amazing , Maybe try to move this building a little to the left near the river

Keep the good work.

greentek
11 November 2004, 02:28 AM
great work Gerardo! :thumbsup:
looks very impressive!
i may suggest you to work a bit on the mount.. it doesn't looks believable.. try to mix using mask more textures for rock surface.. as i can see your using two except mossy.. try to use three or for.. also upper part may be improved.. i think there is too much dirt..
anyway great work amigo! :)
keep it up and cheers! :beer:

Deadlyforce
11 November 2004, 02:28 PM
Whaouu ! This is great !
The texture of the mountain looks good but the shape is maybe too rounded.

Anyway these are experiments and I'll be there to see the next updates...

Dutchman
11 November 2004, 04:10 PM
WOOW! This is veeeery impressive! The modelling is AWESOME! I'm following this thread really close, from now on!

Allot good luck!, Gijs

shotta
11 November 2004, 04:52 PM
Woooooooooooooooow:eek: very very very nice men :thumbsup:

Smooth-Criminal
11 November 2004, 07:02 PM
nomad: thanks! I hope to be able to finish on time this ships and the city, and i am not convinced with the concept of the explosion, I have not decided that type of danger comes near on the city, i leave this for the final.:thumbsup:

keetmun: thanks, I hope to place more stuff soon !! Cheers:)

SUN: :bounce: THANKS MEN!! :bounce:

visualact.com: OK, perhaps I change it of place, and I am going to add more datails.:buttrock:

adr: thanks!!: still I have not decided the final position.:thumbsup:

greentek, Deadly Force :thanks for the crit boys, i am working in this aspects, but now I am going to finish modeling the city and leave the details for the last, i want to see the whole city first.
cheers!! :buttrock: :beer:

Dutchman: thanks, I wait for your crit. in the future.:bounce:

shotta: thanks men!! cheers!!:buttrock:

Smooth-Criminal
11 November 2004, 04:03 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1101830604_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1101830604_large.jpg)

Another building,I must modify the ceiling, it is not what I want.(i have to add more details and change de top)
I am going to follow with the modifications.
more updates soon!.

Latter
11 November 2004, 05:27 PM
I'm very very impressed. I hope you will finish the picture. :thumbsup:

rattlesnake
11 November 2004, 05:37 PM
beatifull work!!:drool::drool::bowdown:

Smooth-Criminal
12 December 2004, 02:37 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1101911854_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1101911854_large.jpg)

ceiling update.. finished, I will follow with the modeling of the rest of the buildings.

leho
12 December 2004, 08:08 PM
wow, dude. thats too much :buttrock:

montclaris
12 December 2004, 03:20 PM
Your models are awesome so far, but what i like most is the composition of your scene draft. It has much potential.
Keep on the good work.

Remi

arturro
12 December 2004, 03:27 PM
I admire your detailed models. They will present great on the final image. I hope you will finish on time:thumbsup:

Smooth-Criminal
12 December 2004, 04:08 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1102435691_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1102435691_large.jpg)

experimental composition, i am modeling 5 or 6 buildings, but for now
i use grebble to simulate the city, to see the whole, this composition has many errors and is only a test.

mmoir
12 December 2004, 04:18 PM
Gerardo,

This composition test is looking awesome, you really do get a feel for city and character about to be consumed by this catastrophe.Looks very promising.:thumbsup:
Mike
My GSO entry
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=180886

Smooth-Criminal
12 December 2004, 04:20 PM
eho, montclaris , arturro: thanks for the comments and the support!!:thumbsup:

Nomad
12 December 2004, 09:24 AM
Wow, this town composition looks amazing :scream:

You have a great ambiance here, your building on the rock with the sun behind reminds me The Cathedral, an Oscar nominated short film made by Tomasz Baginski http://www.platige.com/katedra/ (http://www.platige.com/katedra/)


Keep up the great work :thumbsup:

arturro
12 December 2004, 09:29 AM
Great composition! and yes, the mood of the background also reminds me "the Cathedral". Wonderful mood! I can't wait to see your next steps:thumbsup:

flyingP
12 December 2004, 10:55 AM
ummm...Wow!

seriously nice. Fantastic mood and I find the composition works very well IMO

Deadlyforce
12 December 2004, 11:08 AM
Your buildings are very nice.
The composition test is an excellent taste of things to come.

At this point, assuming this is a test I have few crits to make but here they are :

The flat building directly on the right of the river is not fitting well with the others. I think it's the shape ( it could be more circular maybe or completely turn around the tower at its side).

The mountain with the temple (the rocks too rounded).

The greeblies for the city houses are ok (with appropriate texturing in due time).

I know it's just a test but these are my thinkings...

Keep up the good work !

Smooth-Criminal
12 December 2004, 12:41 PM
Nomad, arturro, flyingP: thanks for all the comments!!!:bounce:

Deadly Force: really thanks for your critics, they are of much aid, yes the building is not fitting with the others , i am modeling the rest of the building around the circular building, ( i put a update for this part more late, but I am thinking in make them rounded. maybe i use the greeblies for the background. :thumbsup:

Lelantos
12 December 2004, 01:41 PM
Very nice great atmosphere really lov it all those detail are really awesome cant wait to see what you are going to do next :thumbsup:

amazing stuff just amazing :bowdown:

Cre8
12 December 2004, 02:03 PM
Good luck with this one!

It´s got gr8 depth and it will be cool to see how it´s judged by the big guns!

keetmun
12 December 2004, 01:31 AM
My goodness, the way you do what you do... Composition wise it's fantastic. You can do no wrong man.

Cheers!
:buttrock:

fellah
12 December 2004, 02:04 AM
waw, nice nice! it has alot of potential to become one of the pieces fighting for the top spot(s) in the end.
usually I don't like posting post like this only saying "nice", but I had to. and it will also help me to know what to follow in the future.. please carry on.

TiTaNiuM sAMuRa
12 December 2004, 05:35 AM
YES! This scene reminds me of the remake of the movie Dune. It definitely gives the feeling of an interplanetary civilization, though I'm not sure why. Super!



http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1102435691_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1102435691_large.jpg)

experimental composition, i am modeling 5 or 6 buildings, but for now
i use grebble to simulate the city, to see the whole, this composition has many errors and is only a test.

SteveNewport
12 December 2004, 08:42 AM
Gerardo, I was attracted to your thread because of your latest image. Very captivating and beautiful, brings a lot of emotion from it.
However, simply by looking at it it's dificult to come up with the story. I don't have the time right now to read back to all your story development, but I got the part that the emperor or someone is contemplating the near destruction of the city. What are you planning on using to suggest the destruction?

Also, the planet you have in your sky (I believe it's a planet, yes?) You have it darker in between the clouds, when this would not be realistic. It also looks as though the planet is in front of the clouds.
What would normally happen is this. The planet is in space, miles away from this one. Therefor, #1, the clouds would be blocking portions of the planet.
#2, anything in space that is seen from within an atmosphere of a world will not be completeley visible, only it's lit portions will be visible in the sky.
a. So, only the lit portions of the cloud would show through (Anything black will take on whatevere color the atmosphere is, space is black for instance, it simply is not visible as an object, same would take affect on the black parts of an object in space scene from inside a planet.) There would be no dark spaces in between the clouds, all this would simply look like the atmosphere. Think of it this way, a black and white image of clouds with the layer blending option in photoshop "Lighten" applied to it. Everything black or dark would become transparant, white would be the only solid, any value below starts becoming transparant.
b. Also, it appears, from the shadow of the emperor that the light source/sun is coming almost directly from the right, a little bit forward right. This would suggest to me that this planet would only be lit up on it's right side, so it would create a crescent in the sky. Also, your layer of clouds furthest back closest to the horizon appear to have a light source coming from the top left, instead of the right side which you have made in this world. This is because, I'm assuming, that it is a photo of sort, so maybe just try flipping it horizontally so it looks like the light source is parallel to the rest of your image

it's all looking great and the modeling is superb and wonderful, good luck and take care!

cgkrusty
12 December 2004, 09:09 AM
Great dramatic lighting in this image, but I agree with Steve N, what is the drama?

Great work so far, I look forward to watching the evolution.

leho
12 December 2004, 10:41 AM
whats up with you guys, always trying to make erveything realistic. so it's not realistic that the planet is front of the clouds. it's extraterrestrial or smth :D so let it be. we supposed to create art here not photorealism or anything. whatever is worth so much hard work (creating so much detailed objects) is pretty... so :d this planetary "slip" is cool

shotta
12 December 2004, 10:57 AM
Woooow man i haven´t words.Excellent work :thumbsup:

irwit
12 December 2004, 03:23 PM
looking now at your current render and your initial concept sketch id say the concept looked so much more alive. I loved that blinding light in the first. Gave a much grander scale and more visualy stunning image. That is not to say your current work is anything off par at all. Fantastic work.


Keep up the good work.

SteveNewport
12 December 2004, 08:39 PM
whats up with you guys, always trying to make erveything realistic. so it's not realistic that the planet is front of the clouds. it's extraterrestrial or smth :D so let it be. we supposed to create art here not photorealism or anything. whatever is worth so much hard work (creating so much detailed objects) is pretty... so :d this planetary "slip" is cool

Leho, take these words as sincere as possible. The point of these threads and the focus on community involvment is so we can offer critiques and advice we are compelled to say all for the greater purpose of making quality art. The artist can take or leave whatever he pleases without taking offense, everything is merely an opinion, not a fact. And I feel the artist has the right to hear every opinion that graces the mind of the viewer as well as respond to them him/herself. It is not necessary that you defend him because there were no offensive words spoken, merely advice.... sincere advice to illiminate any potential distraction the viewer could have while looking at his piece to draw his focus away from the overall image.
My point was that I don't think the fact that the world looked inside the clouds was intended. I believe that he intended for the planet to be in space and for us to see it as we would see a moon on our own earth during the day. It could be "extraterrestrial or smth," granted, but unless it was intended, and unless the artist wanted it that way, why would you "let it be"? And the "planetary 'slip'" is not cool, if it is in fact a slip. Anything that wasn't intended to go in the piece, or isn't achieving the effect the artist wanted to have is the entire point of these threads. It's so we, as the viewer, can analyze the artist's intentions and critique him throughout his process to see if he is achieving his intentions. If we "let be" those "slips" that you speak of, that would make these entire forum's intentions in vain. Granted, if Gerardo concluded that this is actually something he liked about the piece, he can make the choice to leave it in, it's his artwork and our words are merely opinionated and sincere advice (for the most part). But if 2 people can have the same opinion of something (such as myself and cgcrusty) then it's something that must be addressed because a hundred more could potentially have the same opinion and one of those could be a judge! So it's absolutely irresponsible and rediculous to just blow it off and "let be," (that's an insult on the opinion, not you leho) everything should be addressed and contemplated by the artist and I believe this artist will address and contemplate the issue on his own terms.

My theory on the whole deal is this. There is am Argentinian writer by the name of Jorge Luis Borges. He is a very philosophical writer who creates fantastic (mostly short) stories of things that do not exist. He takes stories from his own life as well and implants them into his stories. But even when he takes stories from real life, he edits them, takes things that simply are not believable (even if they are the truth) and makes them so the viewer can believe them without question. Gerardo can, like I said, speak for himself without any other help. But, leho, you've got to think. You could change the entire optics system of a world foreign to our eye, you could make them be able to see extreme details in the darkest of darks all the while being able to see details of each flame of the sun in the same view, but the viewer could not possibly see it as being convincing. The viewer would simply think that the artist had issues dealing with contrast and values. As with this, unless that planet is more visually blatantly placed inside the sky for a reason, the viewer (or at least some) is going to think that it was a mere issue of the artist instead of some fantastic phenomena that takes place in this world. And the deal with the lighting of the planet as well, there would have to be two light sources in this space to illuminate that much of the planet, but the sharp shadow of the emporer shows that there is only one strong one to the right.

Simply take comments as helpful advice Leho, your last comment wasn't very helpful to the artist or the community, it was a defensive argumentative statement directed towards comments that had no offensive properties. take this as sincere as possible.

Like I said before Gerardo, you have a great piece going on, hope I didn't start a topic foreign to the greater purpose of your piece

noelt
12 December 2004, 04:07 PM
strong piece here, can't wait to see where it ends up.

Smooth-Criminal
12 December 2004, 06:03 PM
Lelantos,Cre8,keetmu,fellah,TiTaNiuM sAMuRa,shotta,irwit,noelt : Thanks to all for the comments!! all are always welcome:bounce:

Steve Newport: wow!! men this is a crit, now I am going away to turn an expert in astronomy!! (it is a joke) you are right, but don´t worry about this, the planet an the sky is only a test, i put this background to experiment, (the planet is a photo of the earth and it is a bad composition, i am working in the enemy, i am thinking in a big ship instead of a big explosion, but i leave it to the final, and i am going to update the history wen i put the final image (I hope to finish it on time)
Realy i apreciate your crit and your opinions and i hope to receive your crit in the future.:thumbsup:

cheers!!

cgkrusty: thanks for the crit men, i am working in this!!


leho - Steve Newport: hey boys i respect both opinions, peace!! the background is temporal and it is going to be diferent in the final image and with your help I hope that it is going to be much better.:)

Good Luck!!

Smooth-Criminal
12 December 2004, 07:22 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1102965726_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1102965726_large.jpg)

dreaming with polygons! i have to made some changes to the left part of the river, and add grebble to the background, i put an update of the composition more late.

Hammerch
12 December 2004, 07:33 PM
Without using a colorful metephor or four it is hard to describe how incredible this is looking to be. The shear scale of the modeling you have done is absolutely amazing! I am in complete awe! You rock!

arturro
12 December 2004, 07:54 PM
what to say...:shrug: just amazing! Count me as your fan:thumbsup:

vrf
12 December 2004, 12:26 AM
Awesome detailing. I'm inspired.

Vance

leigh
12 December 2004, 12:55 AM
I really like your entry so far! That render with the guy in the foreground is very striking - you've really captured a Space Opera idea in it, so well done there :D

Your city is coming along very well. A lot of impressive detailing there! Nice sense of scale.

Looking forward to seeing this one finished!

Smooth-Criminal
12 December 2004, 12:46 PM
Hammerch, arturro,vrf: thanks again for all the commentaries, and support!!:bounce:

Leigh: thank you very much by your commentaries!! it is an honor for my, I was seeing your works and they are impressive!!, well, I hope to finish on time and to continue receiving your commentaries!!

Cheers!!:thumbsup:

LucianoBerutti
12 December 2004, 01:00 PM
Great job!!! you get it the idea! No critics just amazing, everything well done!!:thumbsup: You have to finish!

mv
12 December 2004, 01:39 PM
Oh yeah, how did I overlook that entry? you're doing an amazing job here. You're in my very tiny favourites list now :)

icedeyes
12 December 2004, 01:58 PM
Very nice modelling man... It looks quite complex yet the complexity feels natural... Looks very cool...

GrafxBOX
12 December 2004, 03:10 PM
Incredible details... and sense of deep... perhaps the best entry I´ve seen here... Your going to do textures or apply a tone to your image? :drool:

emonimo
12 December 2004, 03:40 PM
What can I say ?...... just wonderfull ....:thumbsup:

Smooth-Criminal
12 December 2004, 03:55 PM
luciano berutti, m@., icedeyes, emonimo: What can I say, thanks for all :buttrock:

stefgrafx: i am going to use dirt in the buildings and simple colors in order to differentiate the constructions. :thumbsup:

grayspace
12 December 2004, 07:49 PM
A wonderful world you are creating here. The expanse and detail is great. Look forward to seeing it progress.

Gray

dp76
12 December 2004, 11:34 PM
dreaming with polygons! i have to made some changes to the left part of the river, and add grebble to the background, i put an update of the composition more late.
Lotta buildings and the best thing is that does not looks "full" or "random placed".

Looking very good!

Let the "River Plate" rule! :D

markovicd
12 December 2004, 10:03 AM
wonderful!:applause:

shotta
12 December 2004, 10:50 AM
SPECTACULAR:bounce:.Te esta quedado impresionante enorabuena :thumbsup:

Smooth-Criminal
12 December 2004, 12:49 PM
grayspace,Daniel Pittaluga,markovicd.: thanks! update in a moment!!:)

shotta: gracias, amigo espero que cuando ponga todo junto quede bien!! Saludos!!:thumbsup:

Smooth-Criminal
12 December 2004, 01:09 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1103116155_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1103116155_large.jpg)

updating the composition, i add some elements in the background, and i have to add more mountains, don´t see the sky and the planet they are going to be different in the final image i hope to finish most of the models this weekend!!

overcontrast
12 December 2004, 02:04 PM
i'm speechless... mm, i mean, aaa, what the hell!!. this looks amazing!!... man ur modeling is insane and so as ur compositions and depth... very well done... i really like ur lighting, is it GI or u custom lit it?... btw i would really like to c some flying crafts in the sky... waiting for more!! :thumbsup: :bounce: :eek: :applause:

arturro
12 December 2004, 02:11 PM
nothing to say:shrug: It's just too good...

AirbORn
12 December 2004, 02:39 PM
Great modeling. I love the lighting and the great unity between the fore, middle, and background elements. KEep up the great work.!!!

mmoir
12 December 2004, 02:46 PM
Gerardo,
This image has a very epic feel to it , you have done a wonderful job so far. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Mike

flyingP
12 December 2004, 05:53 PM
is just my opinion at the moment, the modelling and architecture are fantastic but it's just looking a bit too busy for me now, as if the structures are competing with each other a bit :shrug:

Smooth-Criminal
12 December 2004, 07:34 PM
arturro,AirbORn,mmoir: thanks, I am happy that they like!:bounce:

overcontrast: thanks, i use Brazil GI .:thumbsup:

flyingP: yes men is to much elements in a little space i guess, I am going to see that I can do thanks for the tip.:)

MDN67
12 December 2004, 10:42 PM
Great, it's very beautiful, i love that, great work

My 2D challenge page (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=193486)

Climax
12 December 2004, 01:45 AM
• Hello Gerardo, Your City looks wonderfull, with lots of detail and lot to be explored, this is my first time here in your thread and I wish u the best< Keep going Pal!

igorstshirts
12 December 2004, 02:00 AM
Looks real big and has great depth. I would like to see the planet engulf more of the background and dwarf the big structures... Scale it out a little.

rattlesnake
12 December 2004, 06:22 AM
very nice looking atmosphere!!
your work is inspiring man!! you really have a great entry here....great art!!!:applause:
i have no crits

adel3d
12 December 2004, 06:36 AM
Awesome Work !
Hope to see the final stages.:)

terraarc
12 December 2004, 10:22 AM
WOW man!!:eek: I like your composition a lot! That blueish tint reeeallly works! :thumbsup: And the city is great....:bounce:

Waiting for more!

Subscribed (kind of late but...)!

icedeyes
12 December 2004, 12:14 PM
incredible work man.. no crits whatsoever

Smooth-Criminal
12 December 2004, 06:35 PM
MDN67,rattlesnake,adel3d,terraarc,icedeyes: thanks again for the cooments!!:bounce:
Climax: thanks, much luck for you also!! Cheers!!:buttrock:
igorstshirts: thanks, i am working in the planet!!:)

Kylebrn
12 December 2004, 07:57 PM
Looking nice.Large scene,interesting look.My only thoughts are that the buildings are like greebles,or real simple primitives.Like a sphere with an extruded few pieces.It seems there is no real detail,it's just plain boxes and very simple shapes and forms.Plus the character seems to be just a shadow,I cant really make it out.
Still the work looks good,from far,I just wish more forms were visible and clear,more details seen.Just seems to be off in that area,but still a nice piece of work.I'l reserve final judgement when more is done.I know that textures wil be important.Good luck,nice work.:)

markovicd
12 December 2004, 08:35 PM
once more...
wonderful ! :applause:

Ilnono
12 December 2004, 12:59 PM
Gerardo.... increible tu trabajo!!! me alegra ver un argentino compitiendo a ese nivel.
Te deseo la mejor de las suertes, aunque no creo que haga falta...........:thumbsup:

saludos desde cba..

german

Smooth-Criminal
12 December 2004, 01:47 PM
markovicd: thanks for the comments!!:)

Kylebrn: yes men, the majority of the structures are simple basic forms with many extrusions, maybe with the textures it is going to be more detailed, I will see that it happens, the character is a lowpoly model only to see in position, i have to model it wen finish the city, thanks for the crit.:thumbsup:

Smooth-Criminal
12 December 2004, 02:09 PM
Gracias German, voy a ver si por lo menos puedo figurar, hay muy buenos trabajos aca, yo soy de Alta Gracia, pero laburo aca en cordoba, siempre es bueno recibir aliento de compatriotas!!

Saludos!!:bounce:

Aethyrprime
12 December 2004, 02:20 PM
Very nice design. This has the epic feeling of a FF game cut-sequence.. very excellent work. I am quite impressed and look forward to you completing this project. Keep at it and don't stop.

theuni
12 December 2004, 10:47 AM
Hi Smooth-Criminal,

Great work you do there! Really detailed structures you build up for your planet. I like the whole image in blue !

Smooth-Criminal
12 December 2004, 11:18 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1103455127_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1103455127_large.jpg)

adding the ship,I need to change the planet texture and some buildings, still working in a more detailed mountains.
the the idea is a ship appearing of between clouds, crit in this are very welcome.

Smooth-Criminal
12 December 2004, 11:23 AM
||) |V| |^|, theuni: thanks for all the comments :thumbsup: !!

arturro
12 December 2004, 11:57 AM
wonderful! I'm amazed. And I would advice to play a bit with the lighting. I think that it would look better if this ship gave a huge shadow to the ground. For example a big part of these mountains would be in shadow. With this setup it shouldn't be. And with this shadow on the mountains, the effect of grand scale and grand event would be emphasized.

Kaksht
12 December 2004, 12:51 PM
Hi Gerardo!

Wow, now this is one awesome stuff man :bowdown: Now that ship looks very very very cool, gives an awesome touch to whole picture, cant discribe it :arteest:
Anyways, is the character gong to look like that?

Smooth-Criminal
12 December 2004, 07:02 PM
arturro: I am making this modification, thanks for the tip.!!:thumbsup:
Kaksht: thanks!! the character is only a low poly model, i leave this part for the final!!:)

Denman
12 December 2004, 10:43 PM
B - E - A - UTIFULL


somehow it reminds me of the movie -> Independence Day

leho
12 December 2004, 11:02 PM
ok, this is waaaayyy too heavy man. so many details and OMG

mr_carl
12 December 2004, 11:11 PM
WOW MAN I´m absolutely stuned. The detales the amount of work :eek: totaly amasing.
Keep up the good work man:applause:

Carl.

terraarc
12 December 2004, 11:18 PM
The image has a certain amount of "WOWS" already stick to it! :thumbsup:

I think if you added some tower on the incoming ship way behind it's nose that will be visible through some clouds covering the tower base and showing of on the top with some lights on it would fit to the image pretty well (Hope you understood what I said...:D that's why the say 1 image = 1K words!!)

Great work mate! :applause:

Smooth-Criminal
12 December 2004, 12:41 PM
mr_carl, leho: THANKS !! for the comments!!:bounce:
Denman: yes men, reminds me this movie!!:)
terraarc: ok, thanks for the tip.!!:thumbsup:

Nomad
12 December 2004, 12:53 PM
Exellent :thumbsup:

For me the ship looks too much like inspired directly from Stargate :curious: in my opinion it shoud be more compex to fit the level of detail you had in the city... maybe more organic...
Great Work, looking for more:bounce:

Smooth-Criminal
12 December 2004, 02:08 PM
Nomad: thanks men, I am going it to consider, but I do not want to overload the top of the image to much, i am going to add some ships in this part!!:thumbsup:

Smooth-Criminal
12 December 2004, 02:24 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1103552677_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1103552677_large.jpg)

only and idea, adding a flying spheres for now!! ( perhaps they are going to be missiles)i need to add ships that they go towards the big ship. i updated the mountains and i hope tonight to put a little change in the left part of the city. crit are welcome

angel
12 December 2004, 02:37 PM
wow, that's looking really cool.

Kraull
12 December 2004, 03:11 PM
Just excellent! Your city is incredible. It looks futurist but not too much industrial. It rocks!!:buttrock: I wait to see how the new projectile will end up. I'm not quite sure about there display for the moment, but it's just a test for the moment, so.

Great work so far!

carloscrespo3d
12 December 2004, 03:27 PM
The entire scene is composed well. I get a feeling like that Independence Day movie about the large ship. A mountain sized vessel of impending doom. Great work.

koyima3
12 December 2004, 04:10 PM
nice concept. i also like the modelling.( i understand this is just a render without textures. probably just a skylight.)

cool keep up the good work

Smooth-Criminal
12 December 2004, 07:28 PM
Kraull,Stormlord,kotsos: thanks for the comments, I am going to continue experimenting!:arteest:

neble
12 December 2004, 12:21 AM
Nice independence day feel. Just a feeling but the background has a lot more of a theatric feel then the foreground. I would almost enjoy the picture more with the bottom half ignored, it would make the large ship coming from the clouds the main focal point. Great job on the modeling though, very impressed.

keetmun
12 December 2004, 06:19 AM
:eek: Now that's what i call GRAND! Five stars from me immediately. I think you could make one small change though.

i think the big ship in the sky should be moved up a bit more, since right now the ship looks a bit too aligned to the building on the top of the mountain, making it look rather awkward.

Cheers!
:buttrock:

arturro
12 December 2004, 08:05 AM
you have my vote! sory for lack of some constructive critique, but it looks perfect! And I love this small kross on the top of the mountains! so small element and gives some naturality and nice feeling when you notice it.

Kragh
12 December 2004, 09:21 AM
I can not win this challenge, I see that now.:cry:
I got two winners at my "list" now, you or Alexander Preuss (Vampeta). This is art, man.

:drool:

GrafxBOX
12 December 2004, 09:57 AM
really like the big ship, and the detailed city... but i still prefer the orizontal render you made some time ago... don´t like too much the character in foreground... but its my own opinion... don´t care ;)

noelt
12 December 2004, 01:32 PM
I don't know if you can do this at this stage, but, you should widen the canvas horizontally this picture is screaming for the WIDESCREEN format, those columns the guy is leaning up against feel constricting, it might be too late in the game to make changes though, everytime i look at this the first thought i get ....wider. I think you can do this.

Smooth-Criminal
12 December 2004, 01:23 PM
neble,arturro: thanks for the comments!!:)
Kragh: I do not think that, yo have very impressed models men, keep going!!:bounce:
keetmun: thanks, i am working in this!:thumbsup:

stefgrafx,noelt: thanks for the crit, but it is very difficult to do this at this moment, I am trying to finish on time , sorry by not being able to do this:shrug:.

Dutchman
12 December 2004, 11:34 AM
Your modelling keeps being AWESOME! That smoothy look, but also all details.... Just AMAZING!

Keep dreamin ;) !

Squibbit
12 December 2004, 03:21 PM
heey vveeeery nice :thumbsup:

nicky
12 December 2004, 04:27 PM
Awesome man, i really like your work :thumbsup:

Keep going in this way that's wonderfull :bounce:

Merry xmas

Cre8
12 December 2004, 04:32 PM
Man i cant wait for this one!:applause:

Beautifully compiled and so much too look at! It´s like 3 images at once!

Good luck, i like your style.:buttrock:

shotta
12 December 2004, 08:53 PM
Happy Xmas.

Excellent that´s looking great, good work :thumbsup:( me encanta loco):bounce:

Aethyrprime
12 December 2004, 09:33 PM
Have a happy and safe holiday!

Smooth-Criminal
12 December 2004, 12:31 PM
Dutchman,Squibbit,nicky,Cre8,shotta,||) |V| |^|: thanks for the support, and happy holidays for all!!

Smooth-Criminal
12 December 2004, 01:32 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1104154346_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1104154346_large.jpg)

texturing the city, in this image the texture of the city is not very visible,I am going to add a more big render in this days, i still working in the texture of the top building, and i have to update the right mountain,i hope to begin modeling the ships tomorrow, i plan to put the ships leaving the city and going to the enemy ship. still much work !!

Hellsp4wn
12 December 2004, 03:29 PM
Wow, I simply love your work here!
You've done a great job modelling and texturing those buildings, and the athmosphere is really moody =)

Keep it up! :thumbsup:

Divaise
12 December 2004, 04:44 PM
very nice man I love your works it's excellent I wish you Luck :P

blakbird
12 December 2004, 10:14 AM
Really good scene.

Do you plan to add something more to present "pivotal point in galactic civilisation"?

But it is already in a condition to get "published" in a magazine like "expose" or else.

Smooth-Criminal
12 December 2004, 03:59 PM
Hellsp4wn,Divaise: thanks for its words!!:bounce:

kuzgunoglu: thanks, for now i plan to add many ships leaving the city, to add more drama to the scene, tonight i start to modeling this.
have a happy new year!! :thumbsup:

Smooth-Criminal
01 January 2005, 10:15 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1104617705_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1104617705_large.jpg)

ship modeling and texturing, now i am going to put this ship in the composition and to see that it happens more views soon.

Smooth-Criminal
01 January 2005, 12:39 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1104626394_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1104626394_large.jpg)

more views.

keetmun
01 January 2005, 03:23 AM
I can't agree more with Kragh here, you really are going to win something! I'll make sure of that! (With my vote of course!) Have a Happy New Year!:buttrock:

Smooth-Criminal
01 January 2005, 01:15 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1104758139_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1104758139_large.jpg)

2 views of the modeling, i am working in the texture of the character, still need some modifications in the head, i put the composition more late to see all the elements together.

Smooth-Criminal
01 January 2005, 01:21 PM
keetmun: thanks men, i really apreciate your comments!!:thumbsup:

arturro
01 January 2005, 07:57 PM
Great progress! You did a nice job when I was apsent. I only don't like his boots. They seem too flat and too wide.

Nomad
01 January 2005, 08:04 PM
Nice rendering test... did you thought about to putting something on the top of his helmet?

A decorative thing will be great... now the top looks a little empty :curious:


Keep up the grand art :thumbsup:

Smooth-Criminal
01 January 2005, 09:48 PM
arturro: I am going to modify them, thanks for the crit!!:thumbsup:

Nomad: yes, i am working on this!! thanks:)

leho
01 January 2005, 10:11 PM
jes, do something with the boots...

Smooth-Criminal
01 January 2005, 12:35 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1104842143_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1104842143_large.jpg)

another ship, now i am going to put all together.

arturro
01 January 2005, 12:39 PM
hi there, I would try to make it longer. now it looks too much like a helmet from the side. But the design is great, and what is importand, it's similar to the rest. great job!

Smooth-Criminal
01 January 2005, 12:50 PM
arturro: i am going to try this, and see, thanks men!!:thumbsup:

keetmun
01 January 2005, 12:54 PM
Hmm...arturro has a bit of a point, looks a bit like a helmet. But since you're already in the texturing phase, you might get away with just scaling it a bit. Somewhat unprofessional yes, but it might work. Really depends on where the ship will be seen, ya?

Cheers mate
:buttrock:

PeterSanitra
01 January 2005, 01:09 PM
Nice head armor, it look kind of fallout style, i like it much, those elipse shape eyes

Smooth-Criminal
01 January 2005, 01:13 PM
keetmun: yes, i am going to put the composition in the actual state, in order to see it!

Darkone2652: it is a strange ship!! but thanks!!

visualact
01 January 2005, 01:21 PM
You r doing somthing veryyyyyyyyyyyyyy difrent welldone......:thumbsup:

Smooth-Criminal
01 January 2005, 01:32 PM
visualact.com: thanks! i hope that it is not very different!!:D

Smooth-Criminal
01 January 2005, 01:38 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1104845921_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1104845921_large.jpg)

well, i do not plan to put this composition for now, but i need some help in the ubication of the ships, i have to update the character, and some ships need little changes but my problem now is to place the ships, crit in this will be very welcome.

visualact
01 January 2005, 02:42 PM
visualact.com: thanks! i hope that it is not very different!!:Di Meant somthing difrent to style....
for the image i think you may bring the sphere and the ship (if i am right)little down...and avoid copy and paste the Ships like that in the sam and angle direction....
but for me i like the way you model ......intresting:twisted:

monsitj
01 January 2005, 03:18 PM
incredible modeling! , very detail:thumbsup: one thing is i think overall image is look like monochrome color , do u plan to increase the variation of color?


and another off topic question ,, have u ever do box droid challenge?? i think i remember you, maybe i'm wrong
good luck

Smooth-Criminal
01 January 2005, 03:39 PM
visualact.com: I understand to you, sorry about my english, thanks for the suggestion!!:thumbsup:

monsitj: thanks men!! i try to make a more variations in the color, but not too much I want to maintain the uniform image with the blue tonality,!!
by the other question yes i participate in the boxx droid challenge i remember you , and your droid, really great job!! :bounce: .

cheers!!

M477
01 January 2005, 05:08 PM
"ooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhh.... aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh" is what I announced to the computer on noticing your thread for the first time and seeing that AWSOME image! :eek:

Yes I am impressed, your image is huge and very well composited. Nothing to crit, so good luck, I'm sure you'll be in the running!
:deal: :bounce:

Dark_Drako
01 January 2005, 09:10 PM
Thats gota be a long render time... SO many polygons!

Looking awsome! I like your recent change in the chracter, perticularly his cape :)! I see this going far in the judging!

Kylebrn
01 January 2005, 09:23 PM
incredible modeling! , very detail:thumbsup: one thing is i think overall image is look like monochrome color , do u plan to increase the variation of color?


I was thinking this too.While I like your entry I think the texture choice is hurting the overall scenes look.The modeling is simple,extrudes of primitives etc,but effective.But the textures look like Monsitj mentioned monochrome.To me they look like "greyscale",but in this case "Bluescale".the textures dont work for me.Not that the scene is off,it's just not as good as it could be with more effective textures.It's taste thing,but my feelings are just that.
By the way I also think this will effect you,as most have forgotten this challenge rule on judging:

"25% of the voting - Community interaction scoring (how well each shortlisted challenger interacted with the community, gave information about their work and helped others".

Still you have a good piece of work,just pointing out som things that may help you get to that final 5.:)

Smooth-Criminal
01 January 2005, 12:23 PM
M477: thanks for the comments:)
Dark_Drako: thanks, yes many hours of render, my pc is going to explode!!:eek:
Kylebrn: really thanks for the crit, i think the same, and i am adding variation in the color of the buildings, thanks for the help!!!:thumbsup:

maxim capra
01 January 2005, 02:08 PM
hey gerardo, great work you did so far, i like it very much. i have got a bluish, icy picture with a guy and a cape in the front, too :)

regards your question with the ships... my opinion would be that you should add more 3dimensionality, drama and speed to them. they should head more to the target (the big ship?) - now some of them point in other directions.... and perhaps you could add one which flew by near to the camera (you know, where the tail-smoke has more perspective)...

and i agree with some others... work on the boots, give some elements some slight color variation (brown, red) and you're on the winning streak. if you finish like you began you can count on my vote...

greets, maxim

GrafxBOX
01 January 2005, 03:21 PM
You could put less saturation and play with tones, or put a "multiply-layer" in photoshop on top... and try to give some touchs of color, painting here and there... in any case, great great image :applause:

neble
01 January 2005, 04:45 PM
Overall your composition looks great, but what would happen if you removed the upper ship on the left and flipped the ships on the right to the left side, as well as make them look like they're traveling into the distance more. Would this pull the viewers eye from left down and around, to finally focus on the distant ship? More of a question. :)

Your modeling looks great, and the attention to detail.....amazing. Still without color it makes me feel like you either didn't have time to add textures or........ Just needs something to add age and life to the scene, to take away from the completely steril environment.

Really nice image though.

dp76
01 January 2005, 05:03 PM
Te está quedando muy bien, realmente se veía esto desde que comenzaste con el portal.
No le des mucho corte a los que te dicen esto y aquello de los colores, si tu idea era así, mantenela.

:applause:

blackdragoncg
01 January 2005, 05:16 PM
Man this is just awsome!:bounce: you sure have talent my freind! good luck! although with work like that i don't think luck has anything to do with it:thumbsup:

koyima3
01 January 2005, 05:20 PM
Character looks alot better from last time i popped in

the cape is good and the helmet is also very good

for the comp: maybe on of the ships should be more central, i know u don't wnat to hide the view but i think at least one has to be more central

anyways i'm waiting for textures

PeterSanitra
01 January 2005, 05:22 PM
Outstanding modeling dude. So much details. I don`t have so much patience and time to go so deep in detailing, and i also thik that lot of detail will not make the picture better. we all have seen very simple and beatifull images.

When you start to do the materials and shaders?

Kaksht
01 January 2005, 05:30 PM
Hi there Gerardo!

Nice update, :thumbsup: I like the blue fading a lot, that looks very great. The city is outstanding and the character looks good. Jus t be sure to put are shadows here in front. Ohh and maybe the most far mountains shoud be less visible to fade out gradient. Well the ship placing is quite good i imho, something is missing there (for the full efect), but cant figure ouut what...

sinaris
01 January 2005, 12:03 AM
I am watching your image for about 5 min and my jaw was hanging wide open when suddenly I realize that something was wrong you haven’t put the specular bloom so I can’t totally believe that is a top notch cg image please put it and that masterpiece of yours will win the competition

Smooth-Criminal
01 January 2005, 12:46 PM
maxim capra, stefgrafx, neble, kotsos, sinaris, Darkone2652 : i am working in add the diferent tones to the city, and the ubication of the ships i doing the best i can in order to follow all the suggestions, really a big thanks to all for the support and crit!! :bounce:

Daniel Pittaluga: gracias amigo, voy a tratar de hacerlo lo mejor que pueda!! :thumbsup:

blackdragoncg: thanks for the comments!!:)
Kaksht: I am asking myself the same!!:)

sinaris: i am not sure to that you talk about, sorry i am not good with the english!!:shrug:

sinaris
01 January 2005, 01:25 PM
Specular bloom is the glow we see that professional 3d artist put on the specular channel of the material to make it more believable especially when the lighting of the scene is at day as it is in your image. I hope this helps good luck and keep up the good work

Smooth-Criminal
01 January 2005, 02:15 PM
sinaris: thanks men, now I understand, I think that effect is going to be of much aid, i am going to try this tonight, thanks again!!:thumbsup:

dp76
01 January 2005, 10:09 PM
sinaris: thanks men, now I understand, I think that effect is going to be of much aid, i am going to try this tonight, thanks again!!:thumbsup:Sea lo que sea....casi blanco.

La parte de atras del personaje está bastante elaborada, me parece una buena idea hacer los flecos más finos.

Keep working this amazing piece! :buttrock:

shiela_G
01 January 2005, 12:26 AM
hi Gerardo,
it's a nice image even wiwthout textures. well, there's a lot of time yet left for your final image. 10+ days left. wish you luck!

Smooth-Criminal
01 January 2005, 02:29 PM
Daniel Pittaluga: le agregue un resplandor blanco en las partes metalicas, creo que quedo bien, con respecto al personaje, aunque no lo creas no es gran cosa la parte de atras, de hecho le puse los flecos mas gruesos para tapar algunas partes que no me gustaban mucho, saludos y gracias por los comentarios -:thumbsup:
Thanks for the comments!!

shiela_G: well no much time now, i am working in give to the city more variation of colours, i am going to put an update in a moment, but still needs much work, and more colours!! thanks!! :) .

PeterSanitra
01 January 2005, 02:40 PM
tHE small ships in the back are always in the same 3 formation...., try to place them a bit different.

Smooth-Criminal
01 January 2005, 02:50 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1105368655_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1105368655_large.jpg)

well an update of the last state,it is not a good quality image only 150 kb it is not much, but well.. still needs more color variation in the city, working in this, i add a texture in the floor, folowing the comments i add a little of especular bloom in the balcony, change in the water, and add texturing to the character, i am going to retouch the big ship it is not the final version, I relocated some of the ships, and i am going to add more variation in the formations of the ships, well still much work!! suggestions are welcome!!

dp76
01 January 2005, 03:05 PM
Daniel Pittaluga: le agregue un resplandor blanco en las partes metalicas, creo que quedo bien, con respecto al personaje, aunque no lo creas no es gran cosa la parte de atras, de hecho le puse los flecos mas gruesos para tapar algunas partes que no me gustaban mucho, saludos y gracias por los comentarios -:thumbsup:
Thanks for the comments!!
Desde acá parecia buena la parte de atrás del "chaval".

Desde mi punto de vista, las naves chiquitas estan bien así,
de hecho parece que van en formación de combate a defenderse
(porque el pibe de atrás, tiene un susto barbaro.....jejeje!) :eek:

Ups.... actualizaste mientras te posteaba.
Impecable!
Ah!, y la parte de atras ahora tiene lo que le faltaba!

Ya estás del otro lado, yo ya no te puedo criticar mas nada.
Approved seal :arteest: :arteest: :arteest: :arteest: :arteest:
¡Suerte Gerardo! :bounce:

Climax
01 January 2005, 03:12 PM
• Hello again Damian!

• It looks amazing....:drool: ....My only crit is the lack of living creatures outer of your main character of course, everything looks so clean and lonely, but of course, I haven't read the story :)

• Minor details and you are done!, cool, I wish I can finish too!

• La mejor de las suertes Damian, tu trabajo es muy prometedor y la verdad ha sido uno de los mejores de este concurso, Salud! :beer:

RobWes
01 January 2005, 07:28 PM
Dude this is some of the best work I've seen yet!!, like you say more work is needed on the city, I'll check back when your futher along. Glad your not in my category or I'll lose
Good work

Smooth-Criminal
01 January 2005, 12:42 PM
Daniel Pittaluga: jaja, Gracias por la buena honda y los consejos, calculo mañana poner otra actualizacion, estoy en los ultimos retoques! Saludos!!:thumbsup:

Climax: yes, no much people, all are escaping of the city "evacuation" i am going to update the history and put a title in the last update, I think that Friday:thumbsup:

RobWes: thanks man, still I am fighting with the city!!:bounce:

rattlesnake
01 January 2005, 08:31 PM
Increible trabajo...muy bien hecho!...el concepto esta muy bueno..y el ambiente se ve hermoso!...solo puedo decir WOW!

parece que Argentina tendra un ganador!
seguro cuentas con mi voto amigo!

Ilnono
01 January 2005, 02:37 AM
muy bueno el efecto sobre el metal!!......:drool: ....
La unica critica que tengo es sobre las naves que estan despegando desde la ciudad... se pierden con el fondo y no parecieran estar despegando o volando por decirlo de alguna manera! quizas con algun pequeño detalle se desprenderian del fondo...........pero es cuestion de gustos..

Tambien tenes mi voto :thumbsup:

pd: con que maquina moves el modelo? o esperas horas a que terminen como el resto de estos lares??? dicho sea de paso......soy de carlos paz

increible la calidad de tu trabajo....que haces en arg todavia?

saludos y espero verte entre los mejores

Smooth-Criminal
01 January 2005, 12:19 PM
rattlesnake: thanks!! gracias por el aliento, y los comentarios, muchas suerte para vos tambien!!

Ilnono: Gracias amigo compatriota, le voy a agregar a las naves una estela para que de la sensación de que estan despegando lo estube probando anoche rapidamente, y quedaba bueno gracias por el consejo, la maquina que uso es una p4 2.4c 512 mb ram video geforce fx5900 xt, a la hora del render espero como todos la imagen esta compuesta en varias partes en total son como 13 horas de render asi de dura es la vida del 3d argentino. un abrazo!! ( ahora un resumen en ingles)

Thanks my friend, I am going to add smoke and trails to the ships that are leaving the city to accentuate the effect, the composition have 4 parts and the total time of rendering was 13 hours in a p4 2.4c 512 mb ram video geforce fx 5900xt. cheers!!

Smooth-Criminal
01 January 2005, 08:26 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1105561563_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1105561563_large.jpg)

close to final, i think... i add some elements in the background, and fx to the ships, (maybe i add 2 more small ships leaving the city), I corrected some errors and increases a little the variety of tones of the city.
crit. and suggestions will be very welcome!

markovicd
01 January 2005, 08:31 PM
indeed nice piece of work... u are close to final mate... finish it! :)

Nomad
01 January 2005, 09:04 PM
Great finish Gerardo :thumbsup:

If I have to post one critic I think the forground structure needs some color or texture add... the motifs are great but all looks verry plastic-like... maybe some dirt or tiny bump... I suppose you know what I mean....

I`m looking forward to see your finished image :bounce:

Aethyrprime
01 January 2005, 09:06 PM
Looking good, I agree that a little bit of color added to the foreground would help draw your eye around the image. Keep at it!

visualact
01 January 2005, 09:15 PM
indeed you have nice pice of gso....welldone:thumbsup:

enochian
01 January 2005, 09:17 PM
I agree about the forground, Very nice image thou, great detail and a epic feel.

Ryan

MY GSO
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=192697

Mordalles
01 January 2005, 09:25 PM
wow, looks real impressive.

Dark_Drako
01 January 2005, 10:08 PM
The sky is a little to bright, I think you should atleast make the upper sky a little darker, to add some contrast, the scene is very bright.

koyima3
01 January 2005, 10:11 PM
nice with the corrections you made it really looks amazing , but one final comment from me just put more detail in the clouds and that’s it your scene will win ,good luck:thumbsup:

mistermac
01 January 2005, 10:42 PM
Looking very good, lots of details to take in :)

The added depth cue to teh mountains helps but maybe a little on the city might help push the balcony forward? I just felt the left hand side blended with the city a little. It's pretty minor though, the image is complete as it is. Well done.
13 hours rendering eh? I'm dreading my final render time. Good luck.

Ilnono
01 January 2005, 10:51 PM
Perfect...:thumbsup:

german.

ihamid
01 January 2005, 11:11 AM
an incredible scene u got there!amazing!:):thumbsup:. i have a thought....i think the midground buildings are a little over exposed.but its nice!:)

Smooth-Criminal
01 January 2005, 06:06 PM
thanks to all for the comments and crit. i working on this modifications, i plan to put an update more late, and the final image i hope.. will be upload tomorrow. cheers!!:bounce:

leho
01 January 2005, 06:31 PM
can't wait

sinaris
01 January 2005, 07:31 PM
i can't wait :scream::thumbsup::buttrock:

MDN67
01 January 2005, 07:42 PM
Really, it's a very very great and great pic, is not a joke , this this i thinks, i m not a specialist of 3d i prefer the 2d ( i learn but it's so hard used the logiciel), but in all the pic of the 3d challenge, it's one of the best pic, the city, the sky, the characters, the general color and the fantastik lighting, all elemnts are beautifull, i like really this pic, she's fabulous, very great work i hope your will be one of the best at the end judging ( excuse me for my terrible english)

Smooth-Criminal
01 January 2005, 10:27 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1105655235_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1105655235_large.jpg)

I believe that this is the final image, all crit. are welcome!!

arturro
01 January 2005, 10:35 PM
Wonderful! super! but one crit:) I think that those taking off dropships as well as the one in the air, near the mountain, should have a fron parts lower than back parts. I think that is the way they would take off and fly. But if you don't have too much time leave it as it is. I'm with ya, and wait for voting:)

Smooth-Criminal
01 January 2005, 03:18 AM
leho,sinaris,MDN67: thanks, tomorrow is the day, i finish and i am going to update the history and put a title. cheers!!:thumbsup:

Arturro: i make the change, i rotate a little de 2 ships of the right part, only a little, ( retouching in photoshop) it was not possible to make other render, the left ship I left it without changes, i think the ship take off vertically and one inclines a little to advance, thanks for the crit. men. Cheers!!:bounce:

mmoir
01 January 2005, 03:23 AM
Hey Gerardo,
This is an exceptional image , I really like it you did a great job. The only crit I would have is the city/foreground is a little too monotone in color. Unless of course this is what you were after.
Anyways wonderfull image.:thumbsup:
Mike

Arctis
01 January 2005, 11:58 AM
beautiful architecture ! congrats ! :scream:

jdsb
01 January 2005, 12:10 PM
Incredible !!, could be top 3 imo.:)

Kaksht
01 January 2005, 01:28 PM
Hi Gerardo!
Great, just great man! A superb image :thumbsup:

Smooth-Criminal
01 January 2005, 01:33 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1105709616_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1105709616_large.jpg)

THE ARRIVAL

The prophecy says:

the 5 day of the ninth era, will come from the north, quiet between clouds to
demand the Earth, the air and all living being.

I supreme leader of skarhs, civilization of great constructors of magnificent artists, powerful
warriors, I guardian of sacred writings now can see it with my eyes.
Some go away with the hope to escape other that they do not want to accept the destiny try to stop
the inevitable.
During thousands of years this day has been announced, but few made case, this it is my last day, everything what it surrounds to me will disappear, but that ours espirit could not be destroyed by any force and our legacy it will not be extinguished because what we lived during this time nobody
can take off.


Well this is all, first that nothing a BIG THANKS!! TO ALL !!
for the help, crit, and comments I have learned much in this challenge
was an amazing experience for my, i want to wish the best of luck for all the participants.

ok this is not a good day for my civilization but for me it is a great day , because today beginning my vacations, were many days of little sleeping!!

I think that with more time the image could be improved, I apologize by those modifications that they suggested and could not to implement. and sorry about my english I hope to improve it in the
future!

THANKS AGAIN, AND GOOD LUCK TO ALL!!

Smooth-Criminal
01 January 2005, 01:39 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1105709957_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/7/4777/4777_1105709957_large.jpg)

THE ARRIVAL

The prophecy says:

the 5 day of the ninth era, will come from the north, quiet between clouds to
demand the Earth, the air and all living being.

I supreme leader of skarhs, civilization of great constructors of magnificent artists, powerful
warriors, I guardian of sacred writings now can see it with my eyes.
Some go away with the hope to escape other that they do not want to accept the destiny try to stop
the inevitable.
During thousands of years this day has been announced, but few made case, this it is my last day, everything what it surrounds to me will disappear, but that ours espirit could not be destroyed by any force and our legacy it will not be extinguished because what we lived during this time nobody
can take off.


Well this is all, first that nothing a BIG THANKS!! TO ALL !!
for the help, crit, and comments I have learned much in this challenge
was an amazing experience for my, i want to wish the best of luck for all the participants.

ok this is not a good day for my civilization but for me it is a great day , because today beginning my vacations, were many days of little sleeping!!

I think that with more time the image could be improved, I apologize by those modifications that they suggested and could not to implement. and sorry about my english I hope to improve it in the
future!

THANKS AGAIN, AND GOOD LUCK TO ALL!!

arturro
01 January 2005, 01:55 PM
absolutely grand and absolutely splendid! I'm proud that I can competite with such artists. Good luck!

MDN67
01 January 2005, 05:57 PM
For me, it's definitely the most pic of the 3d challenge, fabulous compsition, extrem realistic
very good work, great artist

jdsb
01 January 2005, 06:00 PM
just incredible work u have accomplished a great piece of artwork.
all the best

jdsb
01 January 2005, 06:00 PM
just incredible work u have accomplished a great piece of artwork.
all the best

KOryH
01 January 2005, 06:15 PM
that looks great.
everything is very well crafted and clean.
with a little more time the clouds could have been better.

Great job!

theuni
01 January 2005, 11:59 PM
Great Job :applause: Congrats :applause:

Nomad
01 January 2005, 01:58 PM
Great work Gerardo :applause:

Best luck for the the final :bounce:

sinaris
01 January 2005, 02:57 PM
amazing work sure to be in the top 3 hope you enter the next challenge.:buttrock:
have a good vacation lol

Smooth-Criminal
01 January 2005, 06:32 PM
arturro,MDN67,jdsb,theuni,Nomad,sinaris: thanks for all!!
KOryH: yes, it is the first time that paint clouds in photoshop, I am going to practice more!!
thanks!!

SUN
01 January 2005, 03:40 PM
HI MY FRIEND
GREAT GREAT GREAT WORK:wip:
post the final


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