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01-11-2005, 10:18 PM
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Ok, I finally have the left side pretty much complete, minus touch ups. Now I can get to work on the right side.

01-11-2005, 11:44 PM
Enjoy your new workstation!

looks awesome mate, I love it.

01-12-2005, 12:02 AM

01-12-2005, 12:07 AM
Just great work..... still unbelievable.

01-12-2005, 12:55 AM
Thats some exceptional work, I'm blown away. :)

01-12-2005, 01:05 AM
Enjoy your new workstation!

looks awesome mate, I love it.
Lol. I wish.

BTW, did you ever get your Cintique? How is that working out?

01-12-2005, 01:28 AM
yup, the thing finally arrived just before christmas. It's a lot of fun to use, and feels very natural - like you're drawing in your sketchbook. You can also spin it around like an animation table, which is really awesome. Of course now I'm spoiled - when I got back to work and had to use a regular tablet again, I felt like I was drawing with my wrong hand, and it took about twice as long to produce anything. It's probably the best digital art tool I've tried.

01-12-2005, 01:40 AM
Wow, I'm jealous :twisted: I'll have to get one of those one day... I just wish they weren't so outragously expensive. I'll probably have to wait for them to drop in price, if that ever happens.

01-12-2005, 02:48 AM
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I'm slowly making my way right... I'm actually getting further than I thought I would today.

01-12-2005, 02:50 AM
i knew you'd get far today! the mask design is really neat! kind of reminds me of Shredder with a gas mask on.

01-12-2005, 02:58 AM
Starting to look pretty swish, will be keeping an eye on it, keep up the arse kicking.

01-12-2005, 03:48 AM
Shaping up very nicely!

Do you find it annoying to have ot paint over your dark line drawing? I usually keep the drawing on a seperate layer, then do the color rough on another layer. Then, when I'm ready to paint details, I fade the line drawing so that it gets rid of most of the nasty black (less painting over to be done, and let's me judge overall values more accurately while painting).

This time, I didn't do it and merged the drawing with the color rough because I kept changing the composition and resizing, and it was just easier to merge them. Now i"m regretting it. . ..

01-12-2005, 05:05 AM
Shaping up very nicely!

Do you find it annoying to have ot paint over your dark line drawing? I usually keep the drawing on a seperate layer, then do the color rough on another layer. Then, when I'm ready to paint details, I fade the line drawing so that it gets rid of most of the nasty black (less painting over to be done, and let's me judge overall values more accurately while painting).

This time, I didn't do it and merged the drawing with the color rough because I kept changing the composition and resizing, and it was just easier to merge them. Now i"m regretting it. . ..

That's normally what I do too. I have a very unsteady hand and it shows in my line drawings, which is not ideal at all when it comes to doing delicate cg paintings. However, I kind of wanted a dark and gritty look for this image, so I decided to leave them.

01-12-2005, 06:43 AM
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Almost have all of the characters colored... But I'm going to call it a night. I'll get right back on it tomorrow.

01-12-2005, 07:11 AM
The right hand side is shaping up very nicely. You've set yourself quite a level of detail and polish to match on the right hand side though. I think all the hard work you've put into it deserves a hefty reward, best of luck to you! Any chance of working the slightest amount of dark orange into the shadows to balance out the blue or is this too late to implement?

01-12-2005, 12:35 PM
hi, looking very good, though I find the colours a bit oppressive..! It also sort of reminds me of group school photos(!) or those cast of characters pictures (with them all striding along heroicly) founnd in some comic books :)

01-12-2005, 02:03 PM
One of the things I still need to do is go back and add some color variation. I'll be doing that once I finish with the basic rendering.

01-12-2005, 03:09 PM
Excellent, excellent,

I am really looking forward to this one. I would say leave the monochromatic feeling as that brings out the red cape of the leader much more powerful. I love how the image tells a story about every character and the place. Great work so far...

01-12-2005, 05:41 PM
I really think that you own that new Boxx man you have earned it : ) Just curious how many hours you have into this so far.

01-12-2005, 09:16 PM
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Ok, here's the full image with all of the characters rendered. I added a paintbrush texture to the entire image to give it a more finished surface feel. I'm trying to figure out if I like it better this way or not...

01-12-2005, 09:19 PM
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Here's a comparison of how the texture looks like more close up. What do you guys think?

I like the way it unifies everything and gives it a more natural look. But at the same time, it makes everything less "smooth". Perhaps I can put a mask on it and just use it in key spots or something. I don't know, I'd like to know everyone's thoughts on this. In the meantime, I'll work on some touchups.

01-12-2005, 09:30 PM
I think thats totally unnecessary at this moment. You still have far more important question going on with the composition of the huge spaceship.

Dont go in to small detail until you score with everything else big time :thumbsup:

Beside at the moment its only increasing the noise build up of the picture. Specially if youre about to do skin like that. It will not create skin pores and hilites the way they should be done.

Just like a perfect photo you never ruin it with mindless noise :D

Altought i prefer cartoony result usually. You can always look at my machine flesh and grand space opera artworks. Did my noise build up really made the pieces any better?

Just hand paint all noise. Youre so good at it anyway :bounce:

01-12-2005, 09:45 PM
Falcor's right, dude , away with the textures. You're making a great
pic, I didn't see a single place where the textures would have made it better.
You just don't need them

carry on :thumbsup:

01-12-2005, 09:51 PM
Ditto, that. Stay true to your medium and don't obscure your pretty brushwork. The texture isn't adding anything but unnecessary noise. ('Cept in a couple of places like on the armor and metal in touches. But not on the skin.) But 'side from all that, it's really looking quite lovely. Nice stuff, and it really came together quickly, too. Good luck and have fun!


01-12-2005, 09:59 PM
I think it would end up to be a good finition for the end. I personnally prefer pictures that have a more analog feel, but I don't like to be able to determine the filter used. The brushe strokes in the background seem to me maybe a little too big. If you could just refine them a little, I'll think it will work well. About the ship of flying forteress in background, it seems quite finish to me. It does what it has to do: it suggests me that there is something big there with enough details to identify it in parts. Great work so far!:thumbsup:

01-12-2005, 11:22 PM
Untextured, as it will be reduced it may jsut look loosley rendered.

01-12-2005, 11:26 PM
wow man, thats great...very scary, i'm sorry about the guy(s) that are in front of them. because they will make him(them) a grandmother's pie

01-13-2005, 01:24 AM
I dig the texture... I'd stick with it.

01-13-2005, 05:56 AM
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Thanks for all of the advice, everyone. I think I will do without the texture for now and focus on tightening the image up.

I've already started tightening up the clouds on the left. I wasn't quite happy with the big airbrush splotches I had up until this point. For the next 4 days I'll be tightening and adjusting everything.

01-13-2005, 07:37 AM
Bravo joson rely nice style you have bravooooooooooo:thumbsup:

01-13-2005, 08:20 AM
those clouds are looking spectacular! didn't think you had it in yourself :p hahaha just kidding!

Tommy Lee
01-13-2005, 10:26 AM
Yeah,.. You don't need the textures.

The only thing I would do is add an engineglow behind and penetrating the clouds. Maybe in green... would give the pic nearly a sacreligious feeling.

Anyway, absolutly stunning image...:thumbsup: :applause:

Cheerz buddy


01-13-2005, 10:33 AM
lol i gave up on this contest a while ago,*sniff* all busy

wowee!!! when u done,cud u make a wallpaper???
and no to the texture..clouds are excellent.


01-13-2005, 11:57 AM
I think if you added some colors in the background--maybe fire from the ruins, and greenish light from the mothership..etc, it'll make the image richer in color. But, I do like the more monochromatic stuff though--for example, Justin Sweet is really good at it.

Maybe add visible cracks in the architecture and statue?

I wouldn't worry about the texturing. I think for your painting style, any kind of texture should be from your brushwork--it's more relevant artistically, and better looking IMO. Also, I think having the kind of textures you experimented with doesn't really improve the image, since digital textures are quite different in feel to traditional textures from gesso or canvas weave. I think when digital textures really work well is when they actually contain color information, like the way Craig Mullins uses textures.

01-13-2005, 02:29 PM
Very sweet image here Jason!! Looks like it could be the box cover for really kick-ass movie..

Well Done!:thumbsup:

01-13-2005, 02:41 PM
awesome stuff, i cant believe this is the first time ive seen your thread. a great blend of fantasy and sci-fi, definately no critiques. if you dont win first place you certainly deserve best ensemble cast. cant wait to see what it like once you've tightened it, good luck

01-13-2005, 05:31 PM
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Ok, I have the sky pretty much finished up. Next are the buildings and ship...

01-13-2005, 06:19 PM
Incredible. I'm amazed that you still need to work on the ship and buildings, the look pretty friggin' done to me!!! ;) Great work.

01-13-2005, 06:33 PM
great job getting it done to this point in such a small timeframe! It's still looking badass, I don't have much to crit, I just want to see the finished product. Nice work.

01-13-2005, 10:57 PM
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I added some details to the flying fortress.

01-14-2005, 12:07 AM
it is coming along very nicely!
check your private message inbox when you get a chance

01-14-2005, 04:13 AM
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I'm playing with the color balance. I'm not really sure what else to do. I'm pretty happy with the image at this point. If any of you have suggestions, let me know.

01-14-2005, 05:19 AM
Love to see some light rays coming from the ship itself, would add some more drama to the image.

Looking great!

01-14-2005, 07:12 AM
Youre so talented to be able to pull such a picture in almost two weeks :thumbsup:

Well your color scheme works very well. Dont know would it help to add more colors at all.

There is one thing you could work on. That is the cloud complexity and the movement of the clouds. Make the giant in the sky push the cloud masses towards and to the sides.

Think of the winds. Will the push and pull in certain places. Will the winds pull up the particles behind the characters. That kind of stuff mainly

You made it in time! Great work :deal:

01-14-2005, 08:29 AM
Nice work ! :thumbsup:
The perspective of the "temple" just left/above the girl seems not right to me : its lighted side should be more horizontal, I think.
I agree with Cgkrusty about light rays.
Good luck !

01-14-2005, 01:44 PM
Thanks for the suggestions, guys.

Arctis: I'll adjust the temple's perspective and see how that looks.

Falcor_: The wind idea is a good idea. I'll play around with the clouds and see what I can do.

cgkrusty: I'll try adding some spot lights and see how that looks. If I can pull it off right, I think that should look pretty cool.

Thanks guys. If you have any more ideas, let me know.

01-14-2005, 06:37 PM
It's a definitely a very great pic, like i said at tolga, your pic is probably one of the best in the challenge, very good work i think you have finished but i wait the final pic

01-14-2005, 06:47 PM
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I added some spotlights coming from the ship. Let me know what you guys think.

01-14-2005, 06:51 PM
Ok, but i see the ray of light but i don't see the point source of the light,

01-14-2005, 07:25 PM
I agree with MDN67, they look great, I like the chaotic nature of them, looks like they're searching for something. If you could show an origin or brighten up the top portion near the ship that would help. Right now it's hard to tell if the lights are coming from the ship or the ground...

Love your clouds by the way!

01-14-2005, 09:53 PM
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I added the lightsources, like you guys suggested. I also went ahead and added some glows into the highlights all over the image.

01-14-2005, 10:18 PM
Hello Jason,

Great job ! I wish you good luck !
See you on the next !

Luter (aka GOLI....:)

01-14-2005, 10:26 PM
Great progress, the lights look alot better on the ship in the background especially. Keep it up Jason, the end is near!

01-14-2005, 10:27 PM
Nice! I think it really adds some movement to the piece and helps to give the Mother ship a sense of emergence from the clouds.

01-14-2005, 10:46 PM
It's nice with lightsources, great work

01-14-2005, 11:12 PM
You're da man! Your work is definitely on the top, but you probably know that already. You'll be rewarded for sure.

Don't know how this could get any better.

01-15-2005, 12:26 AM
Awesome man. Friggin' gorgeous. Once again you crush most of us with your artistry. Your sky is unbelievably cool.

01-15-2005, 01:42 AM
It's getting better with each update! No comment, no crit, just enjoying!:thumbsup:

01-15-2005, 08:43 AM
Yup ...i agree ..one of the most enjoyable works to see growing....congrats man..i wish i could offer and some serious and constructive critique...but your work seems monstress to my eyes ..and Mom told me not to speak to monsters :D

Best of luck for u ...amazing work!

01-15-2005, 09:02 AM
I keep thinking green lights on the mothership (not on the bottom like you added, but front of the motheship, where you already have that vertical and horizontal row of lights), and orange on the ruins from fires. But, that might take attention away from the red of the capes. However, you can just up the rightness/saturation of the cape in that case.

I'm totally struggling on mine. *sigh*

01-15-2005, 10:55 AM
"chronicles of riddick"-like but amazing non the less! great work!

01-15-2005, 01:26 PM
WOW your work is stunning:eek: A great master piece you got here. I wish you best of luck:thumbsup:

01-15-2005, 04:13 PM
Looking absolutely great :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I love the mood, good luck for the final :bounce:

01-17-2005, 06:09 AM
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Here's my final image. I just did some very minor changes to the glow.

Over all, I'm very happy with how this piece came out. There's still stuff I could probably keep fixing, but I can always say that about a piece. I hope you guys like it.

01-17-2005, 06:23 AM
so cool ! I hope I come up with something like this in the next challenge :)

01-17-2005, 06:33 AM
Hi evilgerbil,

CraZy :eek: - without a doubt a masterpiece!

congratiulation and good luck


01-17-2005, 06:39 AM
Extremely tasty.

01-17-2005, 06:58 AM
Congrats, it turned out incredibly well. It's so accomplished, I love the sky, the ship and each character feels like part of a grand story. Spot on! :thumbsup:

01-17-2005, 07:16 AM
No doubt. Can't crit much, came out beautiful.

01-17-2005, 07:38 AM
Wonderful...very, very good!

01-17-2005, 07:44 AM
Outstanding - best wishes :thumbsup:

01-17-2005, 09:39 AM
Good luck.:thumbsup: :buttrock:

01-17-2005, 10:09 AM
awsome! its like, the dream team of badies. :)

01-17-2005, 12:50 PM
Excellent work. As I said, all the characters look great and have a gritty, realistic feel. I also love the background.

01-17-2005, 01:58 PM
congratz . GREAT FINAL!

01-17-2005, 02:01 PM
Best one so far imho. Good luck.

01-17-2005, 02:48 PM
Great work you have here! :) Just love the mood! You don't need any luck to the contest with this piece, Hehe! :D

No really. Good luck! :)

01-17-2005, 04:31 PM
Cool work ! :scream:

01-17-2005, 05:19 PM
Thanks for all of the support, guys! I couldn't have done it without all of your ideas, input, and critiques. Thanks!

Good luck to all of you!

01-17-2005, 06:33 PM
congratulations, jason! great work! this piece came out a lot stronger and was much more ambitious than your previous machineflesh entry (which i loved). good luck with the whole voting thing! :D

01-17-2005, 08:57 PM
Your final image looks like a mix between lord of the rings, matrix and brom's paintings... Great!

01-18-2005, 02:39 AM
amazing stuff Jason! really like the background and your detailed characters. My only problem is the central composition which devides the painting down the middle.

excellent work...good luck

01-18-2005, 05:45 PM
Beautiful work, Jason. The glows are great, and i love the subtle hints of red in the peice as well. Terrific!


Tommy Lee
01-18-2005, 06:15 PM
Congratulations again... Awesome Image:applause:


Tommy Lee

01-20-2005, 09:51 PM
This is downright sick lookin...truly amazing work. If you ever do a poster of this i'd buy for sure. Excellent stuff! -Pixelfader

01-21-2005, 11:54 AM
Nothing much to say... one of the best, no doubt about that. I just wish u all the best. It was really great watching ur thread, the making of this masterpiece. Cant wait for another challenge to see u participating in it! good luck!

01-26-2005, 11:54 AM
Awesome and deffinatly worthy of a place in a sci-fi art book !!!

01-26-2005, 12:10 PM
A definate masterpiece, goodluck and shall cya on the next challenge :) :thumbsup:

01-27-2005, 12:29 AM
Wowe...awsome work, i like it. Good luck. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

02-14-2005, 11:50 AM
heavy stuff as always , dude. Seems you're as hard to keep away
from the top 15 as mr. Mandryk , congrats!

02-14-2005, 02:29 PM
Always a bridesmaid eh?


Congrats man... awesome job!


02-14-2005, 03:19 PM
congratiulations for your top 15rated image.:thumbsup:

I personaly suggested it much higher in the ranking (top 5) ....hmm

best regards

02-14-2005, 04:37 PM
Hi, All my compliment for your price. :applause:

02-14-2005, 05:21 PM
Personally Jason I would have ranked this one much higher. You did such a wicked job in such a small amount of time. It was a pleasure watching this one develop. My hat's off to you!

02-14-2005, 05:40 PM
Great work, congratulations!

Tommy Lee
02-14-2005, 06:19 PM
Amazing work, and you definitly earn a higher rank with that image:thumbsup: I thought you'll be 1st to 3rd place...

However,... Congratulations

Tommy Lee

02-14-2005, 10:18 PM
Congratulations man! Ur work really fascinated me.. Im just going step by step through ur painting process and learning as much as I can right now. Thnx for participating and showing us ur killing style and I hope we'll see u in next challenge as well :)

02-15-2005, 07:12 PM
Thanks for all of the support guys! I'm very happy about making it into the top 15 with so many amazing pieces this time around! I'm really looking forward to seeing what the next challenge will be. I hope to see all of you guys there again :)

02-15-2005, 08:24 PM
Congrats Jason, looking forward to seeing you in the next one.

02-17-2005, 03:56 PM
congrats man , great entry. great image. You are in top 3-4 for me . I hope you 'll be in the next challenge.

02-21-2005, 02:35 PM
Man I really admire you still Jason... keep it up and all the best :) :thumbsup:.

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