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10 October 2004, 03:14 PM
Adrian Lozano has entered the Grand Space Opera 3D.

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10 October 2004, 07:30 PM
Good luck mate!

Voy a estar muy pendiente de tu trabajo!

10 October 2004, 08:06 PM
thanks jorge , need to start to make some sketches and see if i can learn Softimage Xsi with this challenge . I will learn it from the scratch.

10 October 2004, 10:11 PM
Hey there ADR..................The "Funborns in space" a wild Funborn setting.........Ok I'll leave this up to you.;) ....................Nice to see you here again,I'll keep an eye out for you,all the best to you..............:beer:

10 October 2004, 10:36 PM
hello michael , nice surprise to see you again here in my thread. The challenge looks so funny and interesting . Hope to start to work in some sketches in this weekend.


10 October 2004, 09:12 AM
I think I'll hang out here for a while too, waiting for the concept :thumbsup:

10 October 2004, 10:15 PM
thanks for the commens james , right now , i have some sketches and i will uploaded it in the night with a basic idea of my project.


10 October 2004, 05:49 AM (

Ok guys , this is my sketch . Is about the end of the Opal Kham, one of the most dangerous battleship in the universe . And how an explorer find the place of the crash .

Please C&C

10 October 2004, 03:54 AM (

Hello guys , This is an update of my sketch with some colors and im trying to find a nice composition .

Let me know what you think?


10 October 2004, 04:30 AM
The composition seems a little cramped...I think you'd really benefit from a more rectangular aspect ratio. There's also not much depth in your drawings. Try orienting the foreground spaceship or part of the wreckage to point towards/away from the viewer.

10 October 2004, 07:11 AM
hmmm dude i dont reelly c that ur following the challange theme.. let me remind u that the man idea shoud b a turning point in a space race... the thing i c in ur drawings is just a plane/spaceship crash... i'll suggest you to add some story to ur concept and give some reason of y the crash happend... i think that'll put u in the rite track

10 October 2004, 08:03 AM
Adrian.....................Just to give you another thought or something to consider beyond this point........................."the end of the Opal Kham" thought's on the most dangerous battleships in the Universe would be if it really was the "most dangerous" battleship in the Universe I sure would not like to come across "Whatever" was responsible for it's falling................;) ....................Perhaps you can show the cause or reason for it's end or destruction...................I tseems to me that whatever was the cause for it's end is the true "Most dangerous" thing in the Universe,not the Opal Kham......................Was it beauty that caused it's fall (Like Kong ;) ),or was it another vessel? Was it age and time? Was it a mutiny aboard the Battleship?.........................I beleive that you should add the cause or reason whatever this may be to the scene.......................Add more depth,add more substance to the surroundings,to give a better understanding and feel of this World......................

OK.......I am just here to suggest and help where possible,a good set of extra eyes ADR.......tell me what you think when you can..............I like the premise,the idea of a great battleship in ruins,a real event and epic moment,but I think you need just that little more something as I mentioned........just my 2 cents...........I'll be seeing you soon.:beer:

10 October 2004, 09:03 PM
Hello adr!!!
Good to see you again in this new challange.
Woow, you whant to learn XSI working to this challange. This challange will be twice as hardest. You`re not joking!!!
I like your concept sketch (and colors - like in the previous challange - I see you like warm colors).
Who is the explorer?
Good luck man.

10 October 2004, 10:31 AM
Hi Adrian, great to see u in!:beer: First of all i wish u all the bst, may your machine run stable and fast.....

I really like your sketches, but I have to join the opinion of the other guys. It's not really epic in my eyes. The suggestions of Virtuoso are a very good startpoint to modify your concept a little bit.

I'm sure u'll do a terrific work here:)

Let the machines start...cya

10 October 2004, 03:55 PM
Thanks Dinosaur with your comments. i ll have special care in the aspect ratio .

3doid You are right dude , :thumbsup: Thanks for the comments about it , i will work hard to find the fit to my concepts and see if i can use it or change it with one more sketch

Virtuoso Thanks for the feedback mate , need to work more in the concept and give a good explanation about this crash or maybe change the whole concept because im not very happy with it. Thanks for your feedback

Prooctavian Im not very satisfied with the concept yet PRO thanks for support me and ill update very soon, I will keep an eye in your entrie mate :)

Saschi Is great to see you too mate , right now im working in the main concept again need to work hard and find an idea that really like me . I will stay in touch and watch your thread closely

Thanks guys for the comments:thumbsup:

10 October 2004, 04:02 PM
Hola Tocayo, se mira bueno el concepto, y suerte!

10 October 2004, 04:20 PM
Creo que solamente puedes poner un por post en el concurso o puedes editar tu imagen a gragar imagenes adicionales pero solamente subiendo un archivo

10 October 2004, 05:27 AM (

Hello guys, this is the name of my entrie.
Tomorrow night , i´ll put the sketches and all the explanation about The battle of Climata.


10 October 2004, 07:34 AM
Adrian, that's a GREAT logo for your contest entry! It immediately caught my eye amongst all the new concept pictures that were posted this morning -- the "eclipsed" final A was inspired.

Good luck learning XSI! It's a great program, though be warned: you'll need to dip into the available scripts (try XSI Net for a good assortment) to really get the most out of it.

10 October 2004, 04:32 PM
Nuclearman , Thanks for visit my thread . Im glad that you like it mate.

Yes , i was thinking in use Softimage for this event but i not pretty confident about it , so i will use my main tool and do it . I will learn xsi with another project , with animation.

Thanks bout your concerns and i will stay in touch.


10 October 2004, 04:55 AM
Mar 2075 The international goverment took control of the faith of the Earth. Only one faction of rebels still remain in the earth.
Nov 2075 The international Goverment make a plan to clean the faction of the rebels. The rebel inteligence find some traces about this plan and decide to make an attack, stealing the first interplanetary ship in the world with the new tech called hyperspeed . it will be a deseperate try to leave the earth and find another place to live.

This plan works perfectly taking the goverment by surprise , and trying to get out of the planet .After some months scanning the universe . The rebel find a little planet with one moon . And all the data about this planet show that it can be for the human kind . There was a problem , the rebel were pretty concern about the fast translation movement of this little moon and how could change the Weather in it. That way the rebels called the planet Climata .

Feb 2092
After some years building a new interplanetary vessel ,the goverment found the location of the rebels. And decide to use the new interplanetary ship to take revenge about the act of the rebels . They attack the planet and then realized that the rebels have company and a huge army behind them.

The battle of Climata is just starting!!!

This is the story of my entrie with some info about it . I will put some sketches in a few mins
Im not a drawer and the final scene will have a lot of elements in the battle . Need to sketch the ships of the International Goverment . And i will let to the end as a surprise ,the race that help the rebels to stay alive .

Let me know what you think ?
And sorry about my bad english

Cheer!!! Hope you like it:)

10 October 2004, 05:11 AM (

Sketch 01 Closer shot

10 October 2004, 05:15 AM (

Sketch 02 Wide shot with some elements in battle

10 October 2004, 06:32 AM
nice story mate...i think u can create an extraordinary scene with it...about your sketching...i think that maybe the second one is the one i choose...cos i would like to see that incredible vessel moving towards the rebels that are trying to contain it...but well ill be tuned for more from u.

10 October 2004, 09:39 AM
Hi Adrian,

just jumped in to say: good luck with this project, I will keep an eye on your work.

Good start you were made.

Your logo is brilliant with that slashed A :thumbsup:


10 October 2004, 09:45 AM
Hi adr ...nice to see u in this mate....i like the story and the concept of CLIMATA....following this one.

Have fun and let those polygons crunch...:bounce:

10 October 2004, 10:49 AM
Hi Adrian.......................I like your new concepts.I prefer the 1st one.I like the scale and look of the vessel.Perhaps you could combine the two.My thoughts are that you could have some of the smaller vessels from concept 2 fly by the larger vessel in concept 1..................Ok just my thoughts,hope I give you an extra spark for thoughts................Best of luck,and see you soon....................:arteest:

10 October 2004, 05:12 PM
thanks for the feedback guys , yes , in fact the first image show the detail that ill manage in the spaceship . Ill design more ships to add it to the scene and these two images will be mixed to archieved the great battle .

Only one thing is missing the native race that help the rebels .

Thanks for the support :thumbsup:

10 October 2004, 06:29 PM
If you manage to present the shipwreck as a huge, ancient and grand relic of sorts, I really think you could end up with something of epic proportions... It might get tricky though, but I'm sure you'll pull it off. Best of luck, Adrian :thumbsup:

10 October 2004, 06:40 PM
Yes James ,need to work with hard details in the ship , afterall it has some years in the planet and have to look old with some part of it really destroyed

Thanks for the feed back :thumbsup:

10 October 2004, 06:46 PM
Nice concept! after all the humans been there for 20 years!

Good Luck!

Best Regards,

10 October 2004, 12:20 AM
That's a promising start, Adrian. The ship looks *almost* like a futuristic assault weapon turned upside down, with maybe a touch of the Marine transport in ALIENS thrown in for good measure ... but whatever your influences I think you've come up with a clever way to convey scale: put the main ship on the ground. Look forward to seeing more progress!

10 October 2004, 12:55 AM
Flash.luz Thanks for the comments , hope to update tonight.

Nuclearman Thanks for your comments and you support , i will work today to have an update later

Cheers guys :thumbsup:

10 October 2004, 10:07 AM
Nice story adr. It seems that everywhere and everytime the goverments are hungry for power. This is Human race. Even we put the blame on these wars, inevitable the wars leeds to technological progress. And the mysterious saviours idea was a good one too.
And the Climata logo is elegant. Simple and easy to remember.
You`re not a drawer? Your sketches look very good in my eyes (I am a poor drawer, not you) and shows well enough what you intend to do.
I liked the first sketh composition and the second ship on the ground The firts one was a classic one). You are a gifted man and I`m sure you`ll find the right composition to your scene.

10 October 2004, 08:39 PM
nice work so far!! looking forward to some modelling! :thumbsup:
buena suerte! :bounce:

10 October 2004, 12:27 AM
interesting, you should add some sort of planet on top of that vessel, I think it will look alright! :bounce:


10 October 2004, 12:34 AM
Pro Thanks for your kind words man i will put a double effort doing this project casue i decide to learn a new software (xsi) need to sketch the ship and some other stuff. Thanks for your support

oblivionblack Im glad that you like it man thanks a lot.

Arsa . You are right , ill put an eclipse in the sky , thanks for your words

10 October 2004, 12:39 AM
Hi Adr!

It's nice to see another one participating in the challenge with my same motivation: I'm too learning XSI from scratch with this challenge and I hope to learn a lot from other participants :)

I like a lot your first sketch, waiting for more.


10 October 2004, 04:57 PM
Hey man..good to see you here...I like where you are going with your concept..the first pic has a very grand feel to it..and you could do so much with that ship much room for crazy details...I look forward to seeing your work develop..I really liked your machine flesh, and know what you are capable of...keep going:thumbsup:

10 October 2004, 05:18 PM
Hai there adr, Your concept sketch is catchy, good scope for a awesome scene, and the ship indeed looks monstrous keep us updating..

10 October 2004, 05:42 AM
Doublecrash Thanks for the comments dude , i do my best

EssenceDesign Thanks for passing by mate , updates coming very soon :thumbsup:

Hello Rajdeep Thanks for the support , waiting for updates in your entrie man :bounce:

10 October 2004, 05:53 AM (

This is my first Wip in modeling . Im starting to shape The SpaceShip .

10 October 2004, 09:01 AM (

One more update in the SpaceShip. Let me know what you think.

10 October 2004, 10:42 AM
Smooth model! I like the "vertical" feeling of it. More similar to a seaship. Seeing that front part, what about some windows for the passengers?

Cool work, pal! :buttrock:


10 October 2004, 03:52 PM
You have a nice story going here, I like the concept design of the ship as well. Keep up the good work.

My Space opera entry

11 November 2004, 09:38 PM
Great logo and sketching


11 November 2004, 05:27 PM
Hey man. I really dig your WIP! I love the WWII sub feeling to it. I also find your concept and storyline quite amazing. Looking forward to seeing more of it! Keep it up!

11 November 2004, 11:45 PM
Thanks guys for the comments and the supports , ill update in the night with some images


11 November 2004, 04:10 PM
¡Venga adr! ¡se ve chida la nave! :thumbsup:

11 November 2004, 06:09 AM
Adrian, the ship is off to a nice start. Are you going to do the detailing primarily with geometry or are you going to opt for bump and displacement in your textures?

11 November 2004, 06:23 AM (

Just added some details to the ship .

11 November 2004, 06:39 AM
Hmmm ... you're either using a transparency map to get the tears in the ship or you've resorted to Booleans (less likely, give the inherent problems with XSI's Boolean generator). There's another alternative, Adrian, and one I think you'll find incredibly useful for your scene: the scripted operator, "Shatter." (It's one of Helge Mathee's wonderful MindThink Tools, and you'll find it in the free version 2.01 -- along with some other extraordinarily useful scripts). If you look up Helge's site (I check the URL and post it momentarily), you'll find 2.01 available for download, along with instructions for how to install it. Anyway, Shatter will enable you to break up the geometry into as many pieces as you need; then you can move the pieces around to create the rips, and use the "move point" tool ("M" is the keyboard shortcut) to further enhance the damage.

11 November 2004, 06:47 AM
looks like a good star

11 November 2004, 06:47 AM
Adrian, here's the link to the tools:

11 November 2004, 06:59 AM
Thanks very much for the info Nuclear i will check the link right now . In fact , im not using booleans , im cutting the polys manualy and moving the points , it doesnt look to good right ?hehe i will give a try with your tips with "shatter"

Thanks again and btw your shaders really rocks man , im really having fun learning this wonderful software. Ill do my best with it . :beer:

Im thinking of using a mix . Some modeling and some displacements with bumps .

11 November 2004, 08:03 AM
Currently getting some very nice results by using bump maps derived from chip design layouts and connecting the bumps to the roughness node of a Blinn shader. It beats the standard procedure for applying metalic plates when you're going for a futuristic look. Will post the shots tomorrow.

11 November 2004, 07:06 PM
Adrian: I think the model is going nice...i just think that for the cuts youre doing u can make a little bevel so they dont look too straight ...i know textures can make the trick here but i think that is better trying to detail those cuts as much as u can in the modeling....ok thats in my opinion....youre doing it well mate...just keep on the good work:thumbsup:

11 November 2004, 07:42 PM
thanks jorge , Yes im still working on a different aproach to make those cuts more realistic, im still defining some details in paper for the whole ship, engines and some other things ,

11 November 2004, 02:42 AM
Adrian, did you see this new shader collection over at XSI Base? If you look at the screen shots, you'll notice that one of the effects has a very "techno" look that might be useful for bump mapping some fine detail into areas of the ship that have been exposed by the tears. There are also some good possibilities for alien terrain textures:

Oh, one other thing you might find really useful on your scene, Adrian: Andreas Felix Gebhart's superb Geodisplacement script, which enables you to turn a grayscale displacement map into solid geometry:

The meshes it produces can be real polygon hogs, but you can always use 'em to set up the placement of objects and textures in a scene, then delete the solid geometry and simply go with the grayscale map and very fine displacement settings applied to a less dense grid, so the displacement is done at render time.

11 November 2004, 05:09 AM
Nice. Maybe you could show the side torn open exposing huge torpedoes,
one of which looks like it is about to tip out.Maybe a huge hole way below
where a previous one fell and blew out the side of the ship. This is fun.

My 3d entry (

11 November 2004, 06:35 AM
Nice Concept ! Look forward to seeing more details!:thumbsup:

11 November 2004, 11:10 AM
Hi Adrian,

a long time since i were here,and i find a really good progress. :thumbsup: U learn XSI by doing this contest,right? Respect,man- i can't imagine how difficult this can be: Learning and doing some creative stuff.....ppooohh! But i know u will reach the stars:scream:

Keep it up,mate. Looks cool so far. Best wishes!

11 November 2004, 11:39 AM
Learning an app while doing a challenge is just a great way to do it. I did the very same with C4D in the Sideshow challenge... tricky but definitely the best possible crash-course one could join... The start of your ship looks very good :thumbsup: The cracks in the fuselage are not there yet, but I'm confident you'll make it work with more tweaking and so on.... :wip: there seems to be a wealth of plugins available to help you out by the sound of things. Good luck, Adrian!

11 November 2004, 12:16 PM
Learning an app while doing a challenge is just a great way to do it. I did the very same with C4D in the Sideshow challenge... tricky but definitely the best possible crash-course one could join...
Yes, is a great way to learn!

Adrian, you're making leaps with this thread. I like the concept of the broken spaceship, others have already expressed what I would've criticised, so keep going. Plus, as you see in your very thread, the XSI community here is really helpful. I'm really curious to see how this will turn out. So far, I like it big time.


11 November 2004, 06:10 PM
Nuclearman Thanks for the comments Michael . Yes i downloaded the shader collection yesterday i will test it today or maybe tomorrow , i will be busy today but hope to start to tweak and model all the stuff that i draw , i ll put the sketches and upload all the images in those days , need to work very hard .:thumbsup:

userBrian Thats a great idea about the torpedoes , i will do that. Thanks dude :)

Adel3d Thanks for your comments , Updates coming soon :)

Sascha It will be hard , still making test with modelling tutorials ,shaders and the Fx tree (Material editor) . I realized that the modeling in Xsi is fantastic and really fast . A lot of fun here. Thanks friend:thumbsup: .

JamesMK Thanks for the comments James can wait to see more updates from you , your project is looking amazing . :) Im still learning and testing, more updates coming very soon.

Doublecrash Thanks for support me mate , im watching your thread closely .

Thanks again guys
Sorry about my bad english hehe

11 November 2004, 08:11 AM (

After some days making tests in Xsi , i have time to make one of the torrets of the ship , my progress in the challenge is slow, but im learning a lot of things about the software , hope to finish on time and make a good entry . C&C always welcome . thanks

11 November 2004, 09:38 AM
i hope u have time to finish best wishes bro...
i like your design on the torret ...modeling looks nicce
i know u will end with a great entry my keep pushing!...ull doing it fine:thumbsup::thumbsup:

11 November 2004, 09:56 AM
Turret looks good :thumbsup: Maybe needs a little sharper edges, but the overall design definitely works. Now model model model!! :wip:

11 November 2004, 07:48 PM
Thanks for the commets guys , im working right now in the engine , hope to upload some progress today or maybe tomorrow .

Thanks again friends :thumbsup:

11 November 2004, 05:09 AM (

hey guys!!1

This is an update of the engine in the spaceship , i will add more details in the next few hours, hope to finish it today.

11 November 2004, 07:06 AM
yeah looking cool!..nice desing...i thing the deatails can make it look even better...
add lots of thiny wires...:bounce::buttrock:

11 November 2004, 07:33 AM (

Thanks for the comments Jorge . I added more details in the engine and tomorrow i will put some more in the rest .

Yes , need to put wires in it , just let me find a best way to make it in XSI , right now i looking for an effective process. Thanks

11 November 2004, 09:37 AM
Xsi.................Great to hear you learning a new tool/app while you create here Adrian.....Your doing a nice job.I like the models,clean and smooth,nice designs...........It's been a while since we crossed paths,but it's nice to see you again doing some nice work.......Keep it up,I like your direction,your on the right road.......Until next time keep it up strong...............:arteest:

11 November 2004, 01:05 PM
Hey Adrian!

Great modelling, really solid and clean. Great job with the concept design as well... everything looks truly beliavable. Can't wait to see some textures on it... :thumbsup:

11 November 2004, 05:15 PM
Virtuoso Thanks Michael for your comments , yes man im working in XSI for the project and as you can see i have a few updates only , im very busy right now making another project and sometimes is hard for me to work in the challenge , but i really want to finish this and have a nice training with this wonderful app and this great challenge .:thumbsup:

Rui_Padinha Im glad that you like my progress , more updates very soon Thanks:thumbsup:

11 November 2004, 06:35 PM
Great looking engine! Could use a few harder edges somewhere, but overall it looks really good.

11 November 2004, 09:25 PM
Wonderful look on the engine. Really impressive. Did you use local subdivision on some polys or on the whole mesh?

I'll stick around. Very cool work.


[PS: My Foundation arrived yesterday... so I will be able to continue working! It's really sooooo cool, with all the learning material... something that'll keep me busy for months and months...]

11 November 2004, 11:15 PM
The Turret gun ROCKS man...glad to hear u are learning new stuff....hope to see more updates from you friend.. :bounce:

11 November 2004, 06:33 PM
JamesMK thanks for the comments James , yes ill make hard edges in some parts of the engine, hope to finish tonight , and start to model other things . Thanks again :)

DoubleCrash Im glad that you like it Stefano, i made 1 level of subD and then model the parts outside the body .More updates coming today.

Dimitri Thanks mate for your support , im working really well with Xsi and is really fast.

thanks guys for your wonderful support:thumbsup:

11 November 2004, 06:41 PM
i like your sketches in your first concepts. I like the crater and the guy standing buy a helicopter thing looking at the crashed ship. very cool idea. keepem flowin man

11 November 2004, 12:13 AM
Your ship is really looking good, nice clean looking model so far. You are brave to learn a new software like this. Keep up the good work.
My GSO entry

11 November 2004, 01:38 AM
Adrian, the engine looks really good. I'm guessing the shader network is just a Strauss with Dirtmap in the ambient node, but it's very effective. (If I'm wrong, I'd love to see the render tree for this, as it gives a nice, solidly metalic feel.) Keep up the excellent work!

11 November 2004, 03:10 AM
Thanks for the comments and passing by my thread , in fact the first concept was a early aproach to the challenge but i didnt like to much. then i uploaded a new image with a different POV of the crash . Thanks Again :)

mmoir Thanks for encourge me , Your entrie is looking really nice , more updates to come.:)

nuclearman Hello michael , im glad that you liked this update. Right now im using Phong , Finalgather with no ambience and a area light. It will not take too long to start with shaders and textures. Thanks for pa ssing by Friend.:thumbsup:

11 November 2004, 03:26 AM (

More details in the engine , i ll put one more in a few mins with the whole ship.

11 November 2004, 04:13 AM (

One more update with the Spaceship

11 November 2004, 04:19 AM (

The wireframe

11 November 2004, 04:32 AM
Ah, Final Gathering! Yes, that'll do the trick. Thanks for that bit of ... um ... "illumination." :-)

Anyway, the modeling is looking very good, Adrian. I'm curious as to what you're going to do with the very front of the ship; also, it seems you've abandoned the gashes in the side of the ship -- at least for now.

I guess the biggest question is how you plan to handle the terrain. The geoDisplace script is excellent for turning grayscale terrain maps into solid geometry, but the meshes tend to be fairly heavy. (The poly reduction tools can help, but you'll also lose detail.) However, if you *do* decide to go with a grayscale terrain map, you'll find some of the most incredible source pics you've ever seen here:

They're best as regular displacement maps (use the "fine" setting, a low maximum displacement -- 0.2 or so -- and a length of 0.005), since the geoDisplace script can't really handle anything over 500 x 500 pixel images, and the Jet Propulsion Lab photos tend to run several megabytes.

11 November 2004, 04:46 AM
About the gashes Michael . A lot of work is needed in that part of the ship , i have some ideas about that and ill do it in the next days .

About the terrain , my first aproach will be with Zbrush and Displacement , i made some test with the workflow between XSi and Zbrush and is working fine i think , i will update very soon in that part. But ill give a try to the Script , Thanks for the tip mate :)

the very front will have a lot of details but it will wait some days hehe.

I have ready the concept of one of the Assault ships that i will upload in the morning and work on it all the saturday .

Thanks for your comments, tips and observations mate .

Sry about my english.

11 November 2004, 07:44 AM
Adrian, I'll be very curious to see what you achieve with ZBrush. Everything I've heard about it has been quite positive, and the number of XSIers who are using it now has grown tremendously over the past few months. If you haven't seen this thread -- it concerns some results of test combining ZBrush with project:Messiah -- be sure to take a look. The notion of getting that much detail out of displacement of 340 (!) polygons is really amazing. I wonder whether that's possible with XSI. Anyway, take a look:

11 November 2004, 07:47 AM
That's a kickass ship/spacecraft/carrier! Sorry I haven't read your thread in detail, but you've got some great modelling skills. Keep it up!


11 November 2004, 11:59 AM
I'm liking a lot how this is coming out. And yes, that thread about ZBrush and XSI is worth looking... thanx for the info about the modeling (and the lighting), Adrian, very useful for a newbie like me. :beer:

Great updates.


11 November 2004, 08:34 PM
Nuclearman I will put my workflow in how can you make the displacements maps made in Zbrush and the process that you need to follow in Xsi to achieve a good result .:thumbsup:

Keetmun Thanks for passing by my thread , more updates coming

Doublecrash Stefano , if you need more info about the settings and the setup of the scene to make this render ,please let me know mate, because i didnt put details in the previous reply.

11 November 2004, 08:09 PM
ADR, i really like your ship!!! congratulations.... hope to see more updates soon!!! and certainly hope to see you soon!!!

11 November 2004, 08:46 PM
That is looking great , I liked the engine details . Good luck.

11 November 2004, 12:23 AM
lafocalu thanks a lot for your words my lady , you know how important is your support for me .:)

BartokDesign Thanks for passing by man , hope to update today , im kinda busy with another project. :thumbsup:

11 November 2004, 08:43 AM
Some nice modeling Adr........Will you give the vessel a worn and torn,dented,beaten up look? ........................I think some extra details eventually on the main body will be the way to go at the end as well......................The vessel has some nice lines,curves,and a nice flow................Looking very nice ADR.......Keep at it,this will be a nice project and entry for you........Perhaps when it's done you can take the Fun-borns for a ride in it then,,,,,,,,,;) .............:arteest:

11 November 2004, 05:47 PM
awesome work you have done here man! The only thing I can suggest is to ad little windows to the main body (ship) I could also suggest adding variables in the surface shape, for example, split the surface in different seccions like you already have done but add more pieces. :)

- cheers!

11 November 2004, 06:30 PM
This is going real good i like the ship and all the details in the engine

Great model keep them coming :thumbsup:

11 November 2004, 08:50 PM
Thanks for passing by man , hope to update today , im kinda busy with another project.


yes more updates please...your work is looking really good friend...i want to see more of your nice modeling skillz!....ok im waiting:bounce:

11 November 2004, 08:52 PM
Virtuoso Thanks so much for the comments Michael, yes indeed , ill model a lot of details in the hull of the ship , you will see updates tomorrow morning, ill work hard tonight.

ARSA Thanks for all the support and the tips man , yes i will do that tonight .

Lelantos Thanks for visit my thread .

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

11 November 2004, 08:54 PM
yes more updates please...your work is looking really good friend...i want to see more of your nice modeling skillz!....ok im waiting
updates to come tonight mate Thanks:thumbsup:

11 November 2004, 07:58 AM
hmm dont know why cant post my new update, i ll try tomorrow .

11 November 2004, 08:01 AM
Adrian, you're having the problem too? I even tried changing the security settings on my computer and nothing helped!

11 November 2004, 11:31 PM (

I started to model all the details on the hull of the ship , it will be full detail along the body .

Then a will add the structure (skeleton) of the hull and then i will add the last layer in the ship with the clean mesh that you can see it in this image.

C&c thanks

11 November 2004, 01:47 AM (

One more update showing the progress in the hull.

11 November 2004, 02:33 AM
looking nice mate!...and knowing your skillz this is going to be great when done!!

i like those details...are u going to cover all the surface of the ship with them?

keep rockin man!

11 November 2004, 02:52 AM
Yes jorge im working in all the details of the hull right now All the body will be covered

11 November 2004, 03:09 AM
Wow, Adrian, I had no idea you were going to go for a "Jack Kirby" look for the outside of the ship! Really interesting approach, and quite a change from standard plating techniques. It will be interesting to see how this looks once textured!

11 November 2004, 03:48 AM
• Your Opal Kahm looks good, it is a shame you'll have to destroy it at the end, modeling looks very clean, I like it! < i also saw your machineFlesh entry and It was also a very Cool concept, but half machine circus animals would have been super in the background!

• Keep the hard work!

11 November 2004, 04:57 AM
nice detailed jet
render a close up of it please:bounce:

11 November 2004, 05:41 AM (

More details in the hull. If you have suggestions please let me know. Thanks!!!

11 November 2004, 05:52 AM (

One more point of view.

11 November 2004, 06:13 AM
I love the camera angles and lighting in the last two renders, Adrian. The ship is starting to look a little "Borgish" in the angularity of these new components, but it makes for a rather interesting juxtaposition with the rounded form of the engines. Are the components in the detail work all merged? If so, I'd be really REALLY curious to see how it looks if you change the geometry approximation settings so the new pieces all get subdivided and smoothed. I think it might look more "natural" with the engines ... but it's only worth taking the time to try something like that if the components aren't just a hundred separate pieces.

11 November 2004, 06:19 AM (

I made some tests with the hull and see how is looking . The ship will have this kind of look when its finished .

Maybe this image will answer your question Nuclearman.

Sorry man but sometimes is dificult to me to say the right words.

11 November 2004, 06:45 AM
Ah, yes, it's much clearer now, Adrian; thanks for the additional post! I thought you had changed course on the look of the hull, but now realize that "in the hull" was literally "within the hull." The problem, my friend, isn't your English, but the English language itself, which is sometimes frustratingly imprecise and lacks the benefit of a sufficient number of users to whip it into shape. Fortunately, we all speak the language of polygons and NURBS, which helps get the meaning across even when our formal means of discourse is found wanting. :-)

11 November 2004, 10:56 AM
This is a great example of modeling, It has a great sense of weight to it, I hope to achieve something similar when I start my space ship, will follow this thread

check my link!


11 November 2004, 11:25 AM
Hello there adr! Pretty nice and detailed ship! Surely reflects mass and greatness!:thumbsup:

11 November 2004, 11:29 AM
Coming along real well Adrian.......the details are a very nice extra,keep at it.It's quite the massive vessel,and the sleek lines look real nice.Keep at it hard.......:arteest:

11 November 2004, 05:33 PM
Patina im glad that you like it , i will follow your entrie to see your progress man

Terraarc Thanks for your comments bud

Virtuoso Thanks for the comments Michael more updates to come in a few hrs.

11 November 2004, 05:42 PM
That hull looks really good now - the outer shell did it, so to speak. Good schtuff :thumbsup:

11 November 2004, 08:23 PM
this is looking great, you really worked a lot since the last time i saw it!!! i'm expecting more updates!!! :) see you soon!!!

11 November 2004, 10:46 PM (

One more update with the details in the hull

11 November 2004, 12:13 AM
Thanks James , the details are almost done ,hope to finish tomorrow .

Lafocalu really thanks for your comments

11 November 2004, 12:26 AM
Hey Adrian!

Great design mate! I do prefer the "uncovered" version of the ship tough... really gives it a nice industrial feel!

I only think you should creat some very small greeble here and there on the detail panels, to further enhance it's scale, but I guess you can always do it in the texturing phase... great job! :thumbsup:

11 November 2004, 12:43 AM
Man...i fell in love with the Propulsion system of yours....geez...this is .. :deal:

11 November 2004, 01:05 AM
Rui Thanks for visit my thread and give me some tips about the progress of my entrie .
About the greeble , ill use greeble in little parts of the ship , i dont want to abuse of the script hehe.

Dimitris Thanks so much my friend for your support . Man you avatar really rocks hahaha is really cool

Thanks again guys :thumbsup: Ill try to update later

11 November 2004, 03:58 AM (

I started to add the structure of the ship. C&C are always welcome

11 November 2004, 04:35 AM
awesome detail:eek:

11 November 2004, 05:37 AM
I love the detailed design of the engine and Hull. good job. :thumbsup: Personally I like the version without the bars. Those tube like structure seems to obscure the details of the hull blocks. From afar it looks like streaks and scratches. Unless those are glowing neon tubes.

11 November 2004, 05:51 AM
Look's wery nice

11 November 2004, 07:06 AM
Hmm.......personally I prefer the ship without that strange structure on the side. I understand the pattern you're trying to achieve, perhaps you could integrate the pattern onto the flat surface of the ship as a bump map? Just a suggestion though, anything might work.

Cheers! Wicked modelling as always

11 November 2004, 10:47 PM
Hi there! Nice work being done. I also vote fot the version without the bars, but I suggest doing some tests with much thiner bars... It may work
Good luck:bounce:

11 November 2004, 11:19 PM
Hi Adrian........for me I would go "without" the bars........No question about it......But that's me......As for the details........I think you should leave some of the "Hull" open.......the smoothness will counter-balance the details,and vice versa.......they will contrast with each other better........Plus I like the flow and shape of the hull,with too much detail all over it,the vessel loses some of it's sleek curves.............It's like dark and light......they play off of each other perfectly...........Ok just my take here.......I think you have some fine modeling going on here.......Go at it hard Adrian........As I know you will................:arteest:

11 November 2004, 06:09 AM
Hi, Adrian! I'll reserve comment on the hull bracing until you show us just how much of the internal structure we're going to see.

Meanwhile, you might get a little bit of use out of the following site (or sites like it), since it has reference pics of a partially completed aricraft carrier:

11 November 2004, 10:07 AM
yeah man u got soem amazing works done here... keep going mate... and make it of luck

11 November 2004, 02:06 PM
Now we are talking about adding detail to the ship's hull :D Great job there mate!


11 November 2004, 05:34 PM
Visualact, macod, overcontrast, Arsa Thanks for your positive comments guys .

leonartdo Thanks so much for your comments mate , ill make changes to he structure to see if i can hold it or find another aproach.

keetmun Let me see what can i do with this bars , thanks for all the support

arturro hmm why not maybe with thiner bar can look nice put i think that will loose detail too , Anyway ill make this tests. Thank you

Virtuoso Thanks very much for your support Michael , more updates coming soon mate.

Nuclearman Checking the links Michael , thanks mate for your comments and support .

Thanks again to everyone guys , you know that is very important for me your comments and crits

11 November 2004, 12:56 AM
Man! I like the machinery, looks good ;)

Maybe if you make it a little curve, no so much just to make it less static, organic...

11 November 2004, 02:24 AM (

I put the hull with all the elements together , need to make more details in all this part.

Any suggestions are welcome ,Thanks

11 November 2004, 03:12 AM (

One more update , hope you like it

11 November 2004, 07:14 AM
Hey Adrian just checking you ship You really gave a lot of details to this ship excellent job :thumbsup:
The ship really looks that has a massive volume. Great job:buttrock:

11 November 2004, 07:49 AM
is looking nice friend...i find very interesting those details youre curios about the final result on your lookin great already and will rock when done for sure...keep rockin!

11 November 2004, 11:55 AM
It's good, it's orange - I want to see the whole thing now :wip:

11 November 2004, 12:45 PM
Whoa now it looks so much better! Great improvement, love to see more!


11 November 2004, 05:00 PM
Lelantos. Thanks very much Lelantos more details are coming to hope to upload some images tonight
Rattlesnake Gracias por el apoyo Jorge , a veces me es dificil dedicarle al proyecto , ya sabes al termino del año y pues la carga de trabajo es mayor .

I will add more details, need to model the bridge again , didnt like it the first version .

JamesMK Thanks for encourage me James , waiting for more updates in your thread.

Keetmun Im glad that you like it mate, i ll update very soon.

11 November 2004, 09:33 PM

Great details in your model. Love the work on the engines and the grill on the front one is really great.

Keep up the good work.


11 November 2004, 09:52 PM
I've only just seen this for the first time. The modelling is good.

I'm just wondering if it's worth adding some sort of stiffening structure that joins the outer skin of the ship to the detailed workings inside? It seems to me that if an asteroid or some other piece of debris hit the skin, that it would dent easily?

Maybe you have some sort of force field system worked out?

12 December 2004, 12:20 AM
jamacsween thanks so much for your comments man . More updates coming soon.

Bliz Thanks about you comments and observations , yes i was thinking in put a kind of structure or skeleton to connect the inner part with the outer skin but didnt like it to much and some mates here in the challenge told me that is better without the skeleton , anyway this ship will be in the ground destroyed.

12 December 2004, 08:27 AM
Nothing to crit, just :thumbsup:

The new side engine part is great

Waiting for more!

12 December 2004, 11:15 PM (

More details in the ship . Any sugestion are welcome guys , thanks

12 December 2004, 11:20 PM
ok...that is a crazy amount of work more on the outside ...great stuff man:)

12 December 2004, 11:53 PM
ok...that is a crazy amount of work more on the outside ...great stuff man:)
quoted just to complete agree....great work Adr!! i like it:bounce:

12 December 2004, 12:15 AM
terraarc Thanks very much for your comments man , im glad that you like it.:buttrock:

DimitrisLiatsos Thanks man for your comments , i will work tonight in more details and the bridge of the ship .:)

rattlesnake Muchas gracias jorge por el apoyo y estar siguiendo mi entrada constantemente Saludos amigo :thumbsup:

12 December 2004, 06:45 AM (

One more update, hope you like it.

12 December 2004, 06:51 AM (

One more view

12 December 2004, 08:58 AM
Pretty nice updates Adrian! :thumbsup:
I believe some "love" is needed on the back part of the hull...but I'll just sit back and wait for your artistic perspective on that :)

Waiting for more!

12 December 2004, 04:19 PM
Great modelling adr. Your ship is fantastically detailed. the only thing i noticed, and maybe it's because it's a wip, but the wall of the outer hull looks like it's only a single poly thick. IMHO the edges around the cut away bits need to be thicker. keep going!

12 December 2004, 05:59 PM
you gave to this ship a magic touch :arteest:

and the details keep on going

great job this is gona be a hell of a ship when it will be textured:buttrock:
can't wait for more :bounce:

12 December 2004, 06:38 PM
terraarc Thanks for your kind words mate, yes , i need to model some things in the rear and connect the engine with the hull , more updates will coming very soon.

artemesia66 Thanks very much for visit my thread and point the details that need to be fixed. I will work today in those little details.

Lelantos Thanks very much for all your support mate .

12 December 2004, 08:26 PM
Looks great man!
Really love the detail on that ship:thumbsup:

12 December 2004, 09:29 PM

Nice modeling, its improving and developing , the ship all the time

I would like to see it with a heay metal texture

my link

Paolo, P

12 December 2004, 10:45 PM
great modeling, congrats..... i really like the way it looks with all the new details! see you soon....

12 December 2004, 10:56 PM
Keep it coming ADR,doing a very fine job here......More...........:wip: and more :arteest: and a little more of this :wip: ....Your on the right road for sure,keep at it strong.........:beer:

12 December 2004, 11:10 PM
D-tox Im glad that you like it man , Thanks:)

Patina Thanks very much for your comments the texturing process is coming very soon :)

Lafocalu Thanks very much for your support mlady , im glad that you like it.:love:

Virtuoso Thanks very much for all your support my friend , im working in the bridge right now , i will post updates in a few minutes . Hope you like it need to put more details in that part.:thumbsup:

12 December 2004, 11:20 PM (

I started to model the bridge of the ship , i dont like it right now so ill tweak the mesh and put details .

Suggestions and crits are welcome. Thanks

12 December 2004, 07:30 AM (

The bridge is done , need to connect the engine with the hull and made more tweaks in it .

Any suggestion and crits are welcome . Thanks

12 December 2004, 07:46 AM (

Just one test to see how its looks with textures.

I put a procedural from Darktree in the hull , dont know if i will use it , but your opinion can be very helpful.

Maybe i will loose some contrast between the detail in the inner part of the ship and the material in the outside .

What you think?

12 December 2004, 07:56 AM
wow looks really cool mate...i think it could work but maybe is too saturated of dtails...maybe u can erase some in photoshop so the texture is not that saturated...and the add some tubes and little wires and boxes over it so u cant see the difference between texture and 3d modeling...:thumbsup: just and idea friend...i know u will find the way to make it look super duper fine!

12 December 2004, 08:39 AM
Errrr....what is that! :eek:
Amazing details adr! The way you're going with the texture adds a lot of small details to the ship. A question: Do you imagine the outer hull visibly different from all those mechanical insides? Right now I can't tell the difference but it surely looks great! :thumbsup:

Waiting for more...

12 December 2004, 08:54 AM
hey mate that have some Cool masive and huge feeling :))) great wish you luck

12 December 2004, 09:07 AM
great eye candy.. fantastic job

I instantly get the feel that this is a massive ship, without the need for surroundings to give it scale:applause:

12 December 2004, 01:44 PM
AMAZING LEVEL OF DETAIL!!! but i think that everything is well designed and modeled!

12 December 2004, 01:53 PM
It looks really cool! But as Rattlesnake point out, it might also run the risk of detail-oversaturation. With the interesting stuff going on in the inner part of it, maybe it would look best if the outer hull/casing framework would have something like half the amount of detail, just to provide some contrast between the parts.

12 December 2004, 05:37 PM
rattlesnake, JamesMK Thanks for your comments mates , yes there is a risk about putting a lot of the details in the outer hull , i will make some test to put the procedural texture inside and work with another texture outside , maybe i can handle a nice level of contrast between both parts :thumbsup:

Oz, Versiden Thanks so much for visit my thread and comment about my progress , More updates coming soon. :thumbsup:

terraarc im not sure about this amount of details ,need to make more tests in the textures and define the general color of the ship. Thanks for your great support my friend :)

Divaise Im glad that you like it mate . Thanks for your kind words :)

12 December 2004, 10:47 PM
That is one hell of a ship you got there. I would have imagined the textures for this a bit differently, a bit more simplistic.

12 December 2004, 05:18 AM (

One more test with the texture , Now i made a more complex shader/texture to see if i can use it , i really like the result.

Let me know what you think. Thanks

12 December 2004, 05:57 AM (

One more update

12 December 2004, 09:56 AM
This is excellent i love it the back of the spaceship is great those designs of the engine are awesome and texture comes along nicely.:thumbsup:

AAAAHhhhhhh...... :scream: those details are killing me

keep it up man you rock:buttrock:

12 December 2004, 01:19 PM
Your recent updates are stunning, Adrian. I'm really fond of that fungus/something on the ship's hull... and I see you really can use DarkTree... I'm a big fan of that prog.

Really cool. THis is looking better and better each time I drop by.


12 December 2004, 01:24 PM
Nice progress Adrian. I would only make the bump a little bit smaller. In comparsion with the cockpit on the top of the ship(which shows the size of the crew) it seem too big.
Good job! Keep it rollin':buttrock:

12 December 2004, 01:34 PM
This ship is looking great, the textures on the last couple images look much better than the darker blue texture . Although I think the color could be slightly darker.
Keep up the good work.:)
My GSO entry

12 December 2004, 08:28 AM
Adr, the textured version is looking great! :thumbsup:
The shader looks great so far! I think you should add some more variations on the rusted theme of the shader, some different colors and saturation on various parts....just an idea...:)

Keep it up mate!


12 December 2004, 08:53 AM
Nice progress Adrian. I would only make the bump a little bit smaller. In comparsion with the cockpit on the top of the ship(which shows the size of the crew) it seem too big.

ye I agree with arturro... another suggestion, try to vary the ships outer hull with small and larger plates, atm it looks busy as it's all one size..

I really like the thruster rockets things on the side, it has a good balance between clean areas, and detailed areas(the center greebled parts)

12 December 2004, 05:21 PM
Lelantos Thanks very much bud :)

Doublecrash Thanks very much man for your comments , more updates to come by the end of the week need to finished a project in this days and ill be be kind a busy. :thumbsup:

Arturro thanks for the tips amn , ill do that in this days .:)

Mmoir Thanks man , it will be much darker , right now i have a blue enviroment , only for the updates but this will change in the final composition . Thanks again mate:thumbsup:

terraarc Thanks mate for all your support and tips .

Versiden More tests to come with the shader , to balance the image , thanks so much for your comments mate:thumbsup:

12 December 2004, 06:24 PM
The texturing is looking great. Nice and dirty and over grown feel to it.

12 December 2004, 03:42 PM
Que tal ADR........

Oye, lo siento por la confusion del thread de Dimitris...:sad: ....

Por cierto de tu proyecto.........Esta genial tu nave amigo.......
sigue asi con tu trbajao y buena suerte..........

12 December 2004, 03:43 PM
Que tal ADR........

Oye, lo siento por la confusion del thread de Dimitris...:sad: ....

Por cierto de tu proyecto.........Esta genial tu nave amigo.......
sigue asi con tu trabajo y buena suerte..........

01 January 2005, 12:50 PM
hey where are u friend_...theres just about two more weeks left...common here and post some more updates please! :bounce::bounce:

01 January 2005, 05:04 PM
•Wake up Adrian!, make your last effort, Don't Sleep now

01 January 2005, 11:07 PM
venga primo hechale ganas we, ya sabes aki pendiente del cotorreo. a ver si ya me voy a mexico we a aprender que pedo . jajajajaja... un dia de estos we. cuidate cabron, manda un mail de vez en cuando, saludame a la familia. suerte

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