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10 October 2004, 12:18 PM
Robert Nyström has entered the Grand Space Opera 2D.

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Yeah, Robin, I know, I'm slipping. I can now only post on fridays, due to a lack of internet connection.

I tried taking out the third alien, making the image more epic. Do you all think in works? which is better two or three aliens. I think that two enhance the feel of grandness, better then three. Am i right?
Thanks for the tips. I will try placing the kid on the right, next time.

10 October 2004, 12:46 PM
This will be fun. Let's just hope I will be able to finish it. Having problem with finding internet connections, so posting may become a problem. Hopefully not.

My entry will be called "Bringing the Truth", and the idea is as follows:

In the galaxy of Mernz, two races lived in a fragile peace with each other. The humanoid Thorits and the Aquatic Posids. There was no trust, but there was, more importantly, a treaty.
All the events leading up to the five year war are unclear. What is clear is that a merchant vessle, the spaceship Oroberon, out on a scavange hunt, stumbled onto a fleet of Posidic battleships, preparing themselves for a sneek attack on the Thorit homeworld of Ribla. Oroberon was attacked, but managed to escape only suffering damages on their communication arrays.

Before the damages the crew of Oroberon managed to send a warning, but got only angry replies in return. Merchants, before the war, was considered to be the scum of the galaxy, never to be trusted, selling anything to the highest bidder. No one on Ribla believed them, refering to the treaty.
No longer able to warn their homeworld by radio, it became a race with the Posidic fighters to get to Ribla with the truth, the Oroberons memory box containing footage of the Posidic fleet.

10 October 2004, 12:01 AM
Wow Im really looking forward for this pic! Love the story :applause:. So good luck for now!


10 October 2004, 06:32 AM (

It's hard to get epic without telling a story, so I made this in a three image collage(?). The images will later flow into each other much better than in this concept. The first image is the escape from the Posidic fleet. The second is fighting to give the truth to the United Council and the last is the four crewmembers who helped save the planet.

Oh, thanks Belltann. I'll do my best not to dissapoint you. :) Gscept student?

10 October 2004, 08:10 AM (

Had some time over and made a small update on the concept.
More detailed spaceships.
More detailed council guards.
The image is suppose to show how two of the council members believe and the middle one disbelieve the information given to them in form of the square box.

10 October 2004, 10:45 AM
Oh shit! Your starting to get something here. :) I have to hurry! :eek:

10 October 2004, 01:59 PM
Iw got some pics up for show now. :thumbsup:

10 October 2004, 06:17 AM (

Made a crude design for the merchant vessle. They're scavangers so their ship will be a bit rundown. They also have two different motors. jet engines for air flight and a combined plasma engine for spaceflight. In space both motors are working, though the jet works in a different way.

10 October 2004, 10:23 AM
Nice detail with the bolts. :thumbsup:

10 October 2004, 10:34 AM
Thanx, as you may see, I'm going for a cartoon approach. I'm not good enough for realism I guess. I'll stick with what I know for this Challange
I put the bolts in one by one :sad:

10 October 2004, 02:21 PM (

I have changed my mind. Everybody else was making spacebattles, or so it seemed. Spaceships in space. I went down to the ground with mine, way down. A crashed Spacecruiser on a desert moon. Help is a million miles away.

10 October 2004, 02:24 PM
cool :thumbsup:

10 October 2004, 01:48 PM
Ok, gonna keep this idea and develop it.
I'm calling it "Too close for comfort"

Background: The Spacecruiser SSC Riiber, was the pride of the construction company Buildit, on the planet Herwego. It was the lagest spaceship ever build, made to hold over 100 000 people, visiting green lizardmen and the largest bar in history, ever. It was said that the ship could not crash. Even if it went straight into a comet, due to it's dubbel hull, it would only feel like a slight bump. Clearly someone on the advertisement department had gone a little overboard on this. SSC Riiber went on it's maiden voyage on the fifth of Bir, the worldwide holiday, breaking another record, making the biggest profit in history, even surpassing the yardsale at the mecanical brothel in Uml.

On the sixth of Bir a brief destress call was sent from SSC Riiber, cruising somewhere in the Iceanic system. After that nothing was ever heard about the cruiseship or it's passengers. Rescuemissions was sent out, always coming home emptyhanded. The faith of SSC Riiber is still unknown.

10 October 2004, 04:09 PM
Lol, nice idea :)
(promise to sneak in leonardo de caprio somewhere!)

Good luck!

10 October 2004, 05:49 AM (

So this is the final concept. Will start linework next week.

Ok Alice, I'll put in di Caprio, standing in the stern, with his arms outstreched, screaming "How could the same shit happen to the same guy, twice!"

10 October 2004, 10:47 AM
Oh shit! If this is only the consept the it will be fun watching the real thing. :) Ever thought of maby put some peoples on the ridge watching down at the catastroph?

10 October 2004, 10:59 AM
Woah Zem! Off to a great start there dude.

Looking forward to the rest! Leonardo and all!!

The Ton

10 October 2004, 11:06 AM
Belltann>> Thanx, man. Good suggestion with adding people on the ridge. I'll do that!

The Ton>>Thanx! Man, I should have kept my mouth shut about the Leonardo thing. :) But I'm a man of my word. Leo is going to appear in the image.

10 October 2004, 11:32 AM
be sure to concentrate more to color, otherwise, not bad start

10 October 2004, 01:28 PM
good concept, looking forward to the linework

10 October 2004, 02:41 PM
I like the Idea - how does it feel to get out a huge starship crashed on a desert planet! Is help coming soon?

Im looking forward to see the result!

10 October 2004, 08:35 PM
hi zem, i like the concept you developed...
good luck


10 October 2004, 07:44 AM
Thats a good start man, thanks for stopping by my thread!

10 October 2004, 09:00 PM
nice start, zem! I like the idea, hehe:thumbsup:
I agree with the thing about people on the ridge, it's good to make some people bigger than ant-size or the image will become very "distant", like a photograph about something far away that we don't have to care about...I think that if you can see people faces you could identify yourself with them more easily
and I've just thought another thing, maybe it would be better that the planet that is on the sky doesn't look that much like the earth, it would be better if they were far away, lost without any hope of being rescued, not where everybody could see them with a telescope... maybe you could make it more likely to mars or any other planet...saturn is beautiful... just a thought
good luck

10 October 2004, 06:07 AM (

First lines.

10 October 2004, 06:11 AM (

More development

10 October 2004, 06:12 AM (

Even more development.

10 October 2004, 06:20 AM
A little bit of a bulk posting here, but I just wanted to show my progress.

Ranath>> Yep, I'll keep the colormaking til later.

element5>> Thanks! I just realised that the lineworks contains a million small details. This will be hard work.



DJ-Prismatica>>Thanks, and I'll keep watching. :thumbsup:

Elmasfeo>>Thanks for the tip! I'm will go for a more Saturn look on the planet in the sky.

Thanks for your support people! I'm still working on concept for the people that will be standing on the ridge, so they are not 'lined' in yet.

10 October 2004, 10:12 AM
hey nice going , dude !

I'd add a few big design windows into the tall rear section.
I liked the first windóws better than these , but I'd add the big
windows to those

also little variation in the other window sets would be nice too maybe ?

then that in front of pic is some hill ? u could put people climbing that ?

maybe put meteor showers in the sky to show what grounded the
luxury liner ?

10 October 2004, 12:17 PM
Hey Zem nice work so far.

I personally would add more damage to the ship. Maybe some torn off wings (wings are fragile :) )
You could experiment with perspective to create more drama.
Hey how about a ravine, the ship stopped in time, with only the nose hanging over the ravine.

Just some ideas.

10 October 2004, 01:58 PM
Thanks for the advice and ideas, guys, I will definately use some of them.

10 October 2004, 04:45 PM
With the references to Titanic, should the ship be broken in half? :)

Great start, Zem!

10 October 2004, 09:16 AM
cool subject, almost like a arc!

I agree, should be split in half!


10 October 2004, 11:16 AM (

Did a quick doodle based on some of the suggestions I've got. It's not very detailed, but you'll be able to get the basic structures. The black lines on top are a meteor shower, obviously:)

I also added two semi-alien stonemen on the ridge. I thought it would better follow the Space Opera theme, than making them into passangers of the cruiser. One crashed cruiser is not a big deal in the aspect of an entire civilisation. But it is a big deal if they crash on a planet inhabited by stonemen-like aliens. At least for the aliens. For them this would cause a great disturbance, either helping them leap forward in development or destroying them totally. I feel this works better with the grandness of the Space Opera Theme.

please tell me what you think, guys and gals!

10 October 2004, 07:02 PM
hey zem, I like your last sketch a lot!

maybe I wouldn't have separated the two halves completely, leaving it still joined by some places, but all the damage that you've included looks great to me
The aliens looking it from above is also a good idea, as you say, it is more a big deal

good job, :thumbsup:

10 October 2004, 06:08 AM
maybe I wouldn't have separated the two halves completely, leaving it still joined by some places,
You know, I had the exact same idea last night. So I will stitch it up a bit at the big breaking point. Later I will also add some fire areas, (I realised that if this is an inhabitated planet, air might very well be present.) so the fires and smoke will cover some of the cracks.

Thanks for the kind words, by the way :)

10 October 2004, 06:22 AM
its not the titanic: its not sinking into water, its falling from the troposphere! there will be a larger crater and a LOT more damage, especially if it was enough to snap it in two. dont forget the effects: the ship should be on fire or at least smoking from somewhere other than just the engines. think collatoral damage! itll help make the impact appear more severe! and the landing wont be so straight forward if its split in two before it lands. itll be messy and the two halves wont be so lined up. if it splits upon impact, then ignore what i just said.

ok, not that ive put out my crits and comments, this concept is very solid, and im very curious how itll lose or gain impact with a 3 shot series.

hope this all helps.

11 November 2004, 04:01 PM (

Ok, so I'm pretty tired of the whole lineart thing. I'm quitting that now. Gonna start colouring next. This is the final lineart piece. Any more detail will be in the coloured version.

11 November 2004, 05:46 AM
its looking good Zem, looks like were both gonna have the same problem of trying to convey emotion in the foreground characters.

Maybe try to show more curiosity to the "Aliens" and see what happens, maybe a little child alien pointing and looking up at one of the larger ones.

Keep it up!


11 November 2004, 08:52 AM (

So I've started colouring. The ship will not be this blue in the end. I'm just blocking in the colours.

11 November 2004, 11:00 PM
Hi likey mucho! I agree about the foreground guys...maybe there could be one or 2 more of them and at least one facing more toward the viewer as though he's looking at his friends in (what? shock, anger, fear, excitement) and we can see his face and reaction?

11 November 2004, 06:20 AM
getting there Zem, good work, question: why have you masked out the area of the spear on the ship?

Keep it up.


11 November 2004, 07:01 AM
I'm liking the most recent color scheme that you're experimenting with. I like the clash of the blue steel and the desert grains a lot, and I think the proportions of both compliment each other well.

My only suggestion (and that's all it is, really) is to maybe tone them down a little . . . I dunno, I kinda think a washed-out color pallette will kinda add to the dustiness and vastness of the area. Looks great though, I'm excited to see the final image.

11 November 2004, 08:06 AM
Ok, since a couple of you have suggested a third alien, accually the one that will show some visable emotion, I will make one. I'm thinking a child, holding on to the loincloth of his/her father, checking how the father reacts to the scene. Children often do that you know.:wise:

The masking out of the spear was accually done for you guys and gals. I thought it might look wierd in the first colouring if the aliens hand was just held out into nothing, so I masked the spear so you all could see where it would be.

I agree about the washed out colour scheme. I will tone down the ship in a later wip.

thanks for the comments!

11 November 2004, 07:57 AM (

Added some colour and a third alien. A kid this time. It's still a bit rough. Can't wait til I get to the details. Still got 59 days to go.

11 November 2004, 11:26 PM
Hi Zem! What the heck are you doing way back on page 5...count 'em...FIVE?!? I almost couldn't find you.

I like it, but still think that maybe the kid should be on the other side of the adult, looking up at the adult with an expression of either awe, or fear so we get the emotional impact. But just by adding him holding onto Dad is really good! Keep it up, bud!

11 November 2004, 09:01 AM (

Yeah, Robin, I know, I'm slipping. I can now only post on fridays, due to a lack of internet connection.

I tried taking out the third alien, making the image more epic. Do you all think in works? which is better two or three aliens. I think that two enhance the feel of grandness, better then three. Am i right?
Thanks for the tips. I will try placing the kid on the right, next time.

11 November 2004, 09:32 AM
NIce idea but, in my opinion, aliens desingns needs more work. Compisition is reaaly epic. I am looking forward to next update!

11 November 2004, 10:18 AM
:scream: Its cool, reminds me of planet of the Apes, thats the thing about Space Opera, the genre is just so big...........

Nice work


11 November 2004, 07:46 PM
Hey Zem! I think just 2 of the aliens works fine. Try the positioning thing and see if we can see the kid's face for some emotion. They are also looking kind of flat, they need some more thickness and shading to make them seem more real.

I really like this, please keep going!

12 December 2004, 10:08 AM
even better, try 1 alien

12 December 2004, 09:10 AM
Well, guys and gals, I'm both happy and sad to have to say this. But I can't finish the challange, because I have got a paying job for two months, and as it is a fixed sum, I will be in crunchmode until the middle of Feb.
This was really fun and I leave you with what I've said to a lot of you: Keep it up!

See you all in feb...or accually write you all in feb...well not ALL as in everyone, more of a those who read this, kind of thing, you know. Ah crap, I ruined that one didn't I...:)

12 December 2004, 08:51 PM

well, see you on Feb, come back to the DSF from time to time :)!

12 December 2004, 03:25 PM
nice work, maybe you should use teh blue-grey of the sky for the ship instead of teh saturated blue thats on it now. that might crate more visual unity in the image

.... tips if you intend on continuing the piece later

12 December 2004, 03:09 PM
Sorry to hear you won't be finishing the challenge. Maybe you can finish it sometime just for learning and post it in the WIP-2D.

Happy Holidays, Zem - congrats on the paying job! :)

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