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09-17-2004, 07:59 PM (

Title: Vehicle : Conceptuale (update)
Name: Yavor Rusev
Country: Bulgaria
Software: 3ds max

I done this in two days just for fun started from a box with no Idea what i Do so that's it :))) hope you like ! new renders soon if any critics I can make changes for ya thankx

Update : i think that's it:) hope you likee little changes at the back and front stayed with the grey colour cause I like it much. May be some environment when I have a rest little bit Thanks to every1

09-17-2004, 11:22 PM
A fantastic design. Superrrrrb

09-17-2004, 11:24 PM
i love the aggressive design, looks so cool especially the front part. only thing i could suggest is to add treads on the tires, it looks kinda flat. everything else is great

09-17-2004, 11:25 PM
nooo, i like it beacuse of the flat tired. And the back wheel is soo cool.

09-18-2004, 12:27 AM
I think it's awesome, especially since it's like freestyle with no reference. Real creative.

I think a better color for the body would make it better and maybe see it in an enviroment.

09-18-2004, 12:27 AM
Very cool!
Cant wait to buy one!
Excellent work.

09-18-2004, 02:37 AM
Any chance of a side view?

09-18-2004, 03:15 AM
holy..... :applause: thats awesome


09-18-2004, 03:22 AM
:bounce: very nice man.

09-18-2004, 03:50 AM
That thing looks like it's going 200MPH sitting still! I think it would be intersting to see a motorcycle with a similar style also.

09-18-2004, 05:19 AM
Hey thankx for the great words I'm gonna post wires when I go home tonight.. about the colour I changed it at the last render the one I thought to use was yellow. Thankx to every1 :) I'm hapy that you like it.

09-18-2004, 07:55 AM
looks good. it's remind me a model designed by sbaro mixed with peugeot design

09-18-2004, 11:18 AM
good work and good crits

09-18-2004, 11:19 AM
Great work:)

09-18-2004, 01:27 PM
Wonderful, love it!

I just have the impression that the steering wheel is in the middle of the two seats...if it's true, it must be unconfortable to drive :D
good job anyway..keep it up this way


09-18-2004, 01:33 PM
ei post some more, diff angles, diff colors, diff versions, maybe put racing decals on it. really like the design. gonna make this wallpaper on my pc

09-18-2004, 02:12 PM
very nice cool.....i like it alot

Mata Tango
09-18-2004, 03:09 PM
Awesome work! I really like the design.

Very interesting tuned car, cycle hybrid.

Just a couple of technical crits :shrug: J

It seems to be a front wheel drive vehicle even though the rear tire is drag style. There is no mechanical device to propel this vehicle by its rear tire.
There seems to be no practical way to enter the vehicle. You could climb into the seat but that would scratch the paint job.
Is steering wheel centered in the dash, in the middle of the two seats?
The division between the vehicle body and the side skirts, there is no beginning to the separation. It looks like it blends into the front wheel fender. How would some one reach the engine for fixing?
Would be nice to see some bucket seats and maybe a little thread on the tires.
One last thing, I case of rain what happens to the interior? Bathtub to go anyone….
Kind of reminds me of a front wheel drive Plymouth Prowler.
Nice concept would like to see a workable version though.

Keep up the good work…

09-18-2004, 08:10 PM
Very good work! It is a concept totally possible. You could try to sell the idea.

09-18-2004, 08:37 PM
thanks mates for the good words I'm really glad.
for the deisgn I'm not an engineer for sorry :( I'm not sure that this car could be used in real :) but I make it for fun so we can use our imagination. Meta Tango thanks for the critics I really appraise that I'm working under the mobile now and make other colours and angles big thank U! so that's the wire it's not clean I'm shame :rolleyes:

09-18-2004, 10:18 PM
WOOWWw. Id love to take that for a ride!!

09-18-2004, 10:55 PM
Never see enough concepts here!
This is a great one.

Chrome in the mags is a bit tinsely, maybe tone down the reflection so they look a bit more solid.

Beautifull detailing on the front so I would simplify the grill its a bit busy and the form doesnt need it.

Great stuff
Keep em comin

09-19-2004, 12:36 AM
I have an Update !

09-19-2004, 08:16 AM
Great design! Love it! :)

09-19-2004, 09:28 AM
Very nice detail and concept, I really like it!!, keep up the good work:thumbsup:

09-19-2004, 11:18 AM
Man, you've done something great!

the feeling of power, style, elegance is excellent! That monster would be 100% eye (and chick) catcher if it was on the street.

But, as a few people mentioned here, there may be some technichal and mechanical flaws that only a true designer with an engineering thought in mind could fix.

Anyway, I wish you good luck and keep it up! ;)

09-19-2004, 02:16 PM
Thanks nixon :) thanks to every1 for the good words I updated the image hope you like it.

09-19-2004, 02:54 PM
:applause: :thumbsup: i love it soo matsh :thumbsup: :applause:

09-19-2004, 10:09 PM
where can i order one

09-19-2004, 10:33 PM
In the Dodge offices :deal: :) In Europe Dodge Cars are not very popular.. and I don't see much dodges in here so may be that's why I choose :lightbulb that make for the mobile.

09-21-2004, 02:29 AM
Exceptional design, smart render!

09-21-2004, 04:15 PM
i cant say a word

09-21-2004, 08:32 PM
I can say THAnk you mates :thumbsup: :shrug:

09-23-2004, 12:25 AM
Congrats Divaise! I really like your concept, very original and outrageous. If I had to suggest something, that will be about color: please dress your amazing vehicle with amazing color, let us see more accesories inside. About further comments, as I can see there is only one seat in front, that´s why steering wheel is at middle.

09-23-2004, 10:43 AM
Okei that's a solid view from inside I render it with defualt material cause it's easier to view

09-24-2004, 07:41 PM
I wish i could buy one soon.... really amazing

09-24-2004, 11:58 PM
really nice job. i have a problem with your webpage. when im pushing ENTER it opens a new window with no end for opening it. keep it up :thumbsup:

09-25-2004, 05:54 AM
:banghead: :) wow so I suck in web design :(

09-25-2004, 09:53 AM
Looks like a shark....great model:bounce:

09-25-2004, 12:19 PM
Holy Sh!t mate awsome as love it... you use my modeling technic

No crits from me


Need some help with webdesign for free contact me:
I use macra and all them...
also i wanna chat with you mate , do you use msn or Somthing? :)

09-25-2004, 04:21 PM
Why don't you show this to BMW corporation?

09-25-2004, 10:35 PM
Nice design.... are you sure it took u two days to make this hole thing, it's very detailed, it usuaully takes people at least 2 or 3 weeks (min) to get something like that done.

09-26-2004, 03:18 AM
All's i can say is nice and well done :) keep up the great work

(sexy curvature)

John L. Doe
09-26-2004, 09:25 AM
Great design on that Shark mobile :)
Someone said tires could have threads..I agee ..and if you allow me this small addon...I'd put the windshield accross the whole area, not just up front.
That way it could look meaner :))
Nice materials, rendering...thumbs up mate !

09-26-2004, 09:31 AM
yeah about 2 days and half (without the full interior and the rendering process) but I worked non-stop because I got inspired :) :thumbsup: . About the BMW.. I'm shame to show somethink like this to any company cause they gonna laught to me :( may be if I premodel it and make it perfect then. Thank you my friends for the good words I appraise that and make me feel happy (like a child) that someone likes my work thanks really.

09-26-2004, 09:35 AM
This is great... composition, color, design, everythying... :thumbsup:

great work!

09-27-2004, 01:26 AM
Great work man, if you can make it look fully functional and professional there's no way an engineer, or BMW would laugh at you. They need creative designers to think outside of the box.

I'd just work on perfecting this and make it functional, much like some of the others have said. keep it up!:thumbsup:

09-27-2004, 02:46 AM
wow man , really nice.

I try to see your web page and it doesn't load. Maybe you should check.

09-27-2004, 07:32 AM
good idea perfect render....

Hope you can use your talent in area of design.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

09-27-2004, 10:28 AM
I hope so my friend I will defineitly work on the model and try to make it perfect. THanks for the nice words you all make me feel inspired !!!

09-27-2004, 10:55 AM
i like the idea and i like the render,

no offense but the model is a mess, try to make parts align more,

keep at it man,....

09-27-2004, 03:24 PM
hey sabaman thanks for the comment. BTW when I was little bit younger and started to do concepts I saw a lot of your works and I was amaized mann you do really cool concepts and nice renders especially your two GT cars... I saved that images and it was a mistery for me how you make sucha a cool design :P Full respect.. WIsh you everythink best in the future. Ciao

09-27-2004, 06:20 PM
Perfektna rabota bratle, napravo nasra i CGTalk i GRAPHILLA :) Lichno na men malko mi se gubi idejata za aerodinamika okolo prednata bronja, no inache vsichko izglejda MNOOOOGO dobre :)

09-27-2004, 06:29 PM
Congratulations! your creativity is amazing and that way of organic modeling is so cool, I think the futuristic automobiles will look like your designs.

Zafar Iqbal
09-27-2004, 07:38 PM
I don't know why but there is something that reminds me about Renault.

But anyhow.. nice concept and good rendering!

09-27-2004, 10:09 PM
This inspires me to learn more about 3D.


09-28-2004, 07:07 AM
I dont want to be rude but what will a rear tire with a profile like that cost? :)

I love the aggressiveness of the front. The grill's gonna bite you! :)

Very nice

09-28-2004, 07:18 AM
this would be so incredible to drive! - unstable I think (around corners too fast *has horrible memories of Robin Reliants in the UK*) but still a brilliant design

09-28-2004, 07:52 AM
Yvore, bravo dude, mnogo se kefia na talantlivi momcheta tuka v talk-a osobenno kogato se okazva che sme i sanarodnici. :)))) pokaji im. :)))

09-28-2004, 08:05 AM
It looks like a shark

Amazing :)

09-28-2004, 08:18 AM
yeah SeanE may be it could be unstable I'm not sure... that's why I made the tire like that. I'm not an engineer but I'm learning the basics now and change a lot of thinks on the car. I madea connection in those few days with a lot of professionalists and I will try to make it possible to drive , stable , aerodynamic and as fast as possible. :) hope to show the new model in the near future. Tahnks to all of you.

sorry for my bad english.

09-28-2004, 11:30 AM
Nice Vichle. Good looking

09-28-2004, 12:13 PM
The only suited reply is DOPE!!!

09-28-2004, 12:59 PM
Great work,:thumbsup: I love it.

09-28-2004, 02:13 PM
fantastic look.. makes me think of a basking shark.. with the large mouth underneath... sure there may be engineering issues.. but stuff like this is more about inspiring and saying.. well what if.. you throw away rules and regulations of engineering when you want to inspire I reckon... constrain it later if you want to .. or just take elements of the design.. but for this.. I just appreciate it for its appearance... plus I am no engineer :D so I like it for its looks alone

09-28-2004, 11:10 PM
Brilliant Concept Car..err bike...erm. Vehicle! :D

It has the features of a superbike and a sports car which combine really well! I wouldn't mind buying one of these hehe.

09-29-2004, 02:04 AM
That is a great concept. And, I don't care if drives or not, it looks cool, and that's all that matters.


09-29-2004, 02:24 AM
i find very nice for an hybride ;;; but the accessibility at the pilot place is.... you know you can't walk on your vehicule if you have walk before in shit...

09-29-2004, 07:31 AM
Hi, this vehicle was really interesting, porportions and surfacing is pretty outrageous. You have done an excellent job rendering and modeling looks very good also.
I know this may be a little beside the point here but:
I just realized studying the thing that the rear wheel must be close to 2 meter in diameter, by judging the size of the seats.. A helpful tip from me would be to draw out the idea on paper first with a couple of quick lines and establish porportions, wheelbase, seating arrangement, overall feeling etc. Go out and find cool cars or find something you like in a magazine and measure it, find the porportions and see how you can capture the feeling it gives.
I know you just started with nothing in mind so thats cool, you made something interesting in just two days, see what could happen if you planned a car out first... I would love to see more.

09-29-2004, 09:15 AM
I think I love it the design the style and everything.. the only thing is maybe that it is a litle to big in the back and the rendergin could have been a litle better whit the lights and all.. great image..

09-29-2004, 12:42 PM
What can i say. Really great. Id love to ride it sometimes. Keep the renders commin...

Par Tickle
09-29-2004, 03:43 PM
That has to be the coolest ride I have ever seen. You should submit it to Dodge or something and possibly get yourself involved in building that bad mofo. :buttrock: I am also a big fan of your car paint material there. I only wish I was that good when I was 18.

09-29-2004, 06:46 PM
Thanks for the comments I read careful all of your critics and try to fix them in the future ! really thanks you help me a lot Mates.. about the material it's a brazil material without flakes.. but I think the hdri map make the whole sense of the material. :) thanks

09-29-2004, 06:54 PM
Hey guy,
this is really nice vehicle.I wish it were real.
nice work:thumbsup:

Amilton Diesel
10-01-2004, 12:43 PM
Awesome design! Really cool :thumbsup:

10-01-2004, 06:25 PM
WoW! Really cool vehicle! It looks really GREAT! That backwheel is awesome :)

If they would sell things like this, I'd buy one ;) (if its only for the girls :twisted: :bounce: )

10-02-2004, 05:09 PM (

Title: Vehicle : Conceptuale (update)
Name: Yavor Rusev
Country: Bulgaria
Software: 3ds max

I done this in two days just for fun started from a box with no Idea what i Do so that's it :))) hope you like ! new renders soon if any critics I can make changes for ya thankx

Update : i think that's it:) hope you like it,I made little changes at the back and front stayed with the grey color cause I like it so much. May be some environment when I have a rest for a little bit Thanks to every1

Where did you get all the tools that you used on the vehicle, and how much did it cost? I have a few drawings I would like to render like yours but I can't find any of the tools like photoshop, etc.

10-03-2004, 09:26 AM
so may be you need some 3d package like 3dsmax , softimage etc. to bring your drawing to life . in my case I used 3dsmax + brazil (render) + Photoshop for colour corrections like levels contrast brightnss .
you can buy 3dsmax online or in the local software stores. Hope I help you mate. ciao

10-05-2004, 10:31 AM
Looks awsome! Fantastic work!

10-06-2004, 07:12 AM
wow, i just came across this. Awesome work.

Keep it up and your future will be bright :)

10-06-2004, 01:51 PM
heh D-Fusi0n :) thanks a lot.. I hope so but I'm not sure about my bright future.. usually I'm not a lucky

10-06-2004, 08:46 PM
Awesome shark vehicle.
5 stars from me

10-07-2004, 12:18 AM
Wow! You did this in just 2 days? Impressive!
The others are right...... it does look like a shark.

Nice stuff :thumbsup:

10-07-2004, 03:37 PM

Very impressed - especially as you say it was only 2 days of work...

10-07-2004, 04:24 PM
actually the modeling took me about 2 days (without the rendering and compositin process) but I mean 2 days I didn't go anywhere I was absolutly obtained by the project from the morning to the late evening.. :) you know when you get inspired sometimes it's so cool...

10-07-2004, 09:15 PM
Very cool :thumbsup: It might be better as a single seater.

10-10-2004, 09:30 AM
I would be scared shitless if i was crossing the street and this thing came full speed around the corner.

Love the design!


10-10-2004, 08:21 PM
that is fricken awesome, my only comment: i think tire treads would add even more coolness
thx for sharing!!:eek:

10-12-2004, 12:10 PM
Awesome man.. really awesome...
Great work.
Only one little thing bothers me.
Suggesting this "thing" would drive on a street... you wouldn´t see the back Breaklight.
This might be like 1 meter 20 - 50 and... it goes up.
you know what i mean ? Only a Truck driver could see it when you brake.
Iknow it´s not Important... but it just came into my mind when i first saw this awesome vehicle :)
Go Call some cracy company... the should build it.. im the first one to buy it !

10-13-2004, 06:44 AM
ahhhhhhh i love it! fantastic conceptual vehicle design show more dude!

The Savage
10-14-2004, 12:33 PM
O.o Divaise, realy superb work, Im with Logick - you should add some tire thread, but other than that its amazing!

10-14-2004, 03:38 PM
I have been looking at this model for about a week now. I am kind of studying because I am trying to model a 3-wheeled vehicle that is similiar to yours.

I just thought I would drop in and say what a wonderfull peice of work this is. I can't believe that you did this in two days.

Nice Job.


10-14-2004, 11:31 PM
I dont know absolutely anything about cars. But i wanted to say that i'm worried about the vehicle being to close to the ground on the front, a rock could hurt the car or something, is what i'm saying dumb or not?

Btw, This is the best 3d cocept design of a car i know of in my life, i want to build one irl, and you did it very fast too. (Y)

10-15-2004, 06:15 AM
Thanks for the nice words mates :
to GreenLantern: I'm so happy that I inspired you to model a 3 wheel concept car it's so cool actually I'm working on the new concept model because I think I have lots of bugs :( i want to make it perfect and I spent much time not 2-3 days like this one.. hope to be done asap.. btw when you finish your model be sure to notify me cause I want to see it really :deal:

to Dogzer: I made it for the near future so may be then all the roads will be clean and smooth... Thanks for the cool words I'm really really glad !

p.s sorry for my bad english s**t I had to learn it in school :)

10-19-2004, 08:44 AM
it's no doubt !that's so wonderful . I just want to know does it can be made by the tech. right now?

10-19-2004, 01:51 PM
excellent design. I show your work my teacher in university. He is a car designer. He like it very very like it. congrulations.. :buttrock:

10-20-2004, 01:43 AM
makes me think of but that is the other way around how they got it

10-21-2004, 11:39 AM

Where can I buy this thing :twisted: :buttrock:


10-21-2004, 11:57 AM
Hold up a second: you're 18 and you're creating work like that? Either I am already an old man of 24 and all the young 'uns are learning their way around software faster than ever or you're lying...

seriously dude, and this is not being patronizing, that is amazing work, especially for someone who simply can't have had more than about 5 years (at most) expereince doing this.

10-21-2004, 05:38 PM
ken@MODFilms thanks for the comment mate. I'm really 18 years old born in 14 jan 1986 :) actually I do 3d in my freetime for about an 3 years but not seriously (just for fun). I want to improve my skills that's why I'm looking for a job in my city but it's hard :( I can be an awesome artist with mad skills but I need practice... till then I'm still an amateur. I gonna work hard and produce more and more stuff to find some cool job cause that's my dream ciao :)) thanks for the nice words sorry for my basic anglish :P but I know you understand what I mean

10-21-2004, 05:48 PM
Well Divaise, if you keep producing eye catching pieces like this you are sure to land a good job at a top studio. Stay original!

10-22-2004, 06:35 AM
Hey nice work.

You have the face of a porn star.

10-22-2004, 06:48 AM
hahahahahah :)) but my .... is not enought big for that profession that's why I choose 3d.. Just kiddin :P :)

gstapleton : thanks for the nice words I hope so..

10-22-2004, 08:02 PM
Wow :eek: , Very Good :thumbsup: , and quick Very

10-25-2004, 07:34 PM
this is AMAZING u have a great imagination and great style :D it is a bit messy on the wire but i love it :D for some reason i think of a SHARK when i see this great work uu have a bright future infront of u ;)

10-26-2004, 11:15 PM
wow thats very kool, never seen anything like it. looks very much like a shark ;]

10-27-2004, 05:01 AM
I really love this one, its sexy koool design. wan a ride......!

11-01-2004, 09:02 PM
Hi,I think u should pick the steven spielberg's adress to show him you work dude:bounce:

Keep it up, love you work:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

11-02-2004, 11:33 AM
nice design

11-04-2004, 07:16 PM
Hey don't forget to put some cool tires on it!:thumbsup:

11-05-2004, 12:26 PM
Bionic. how does it feel to stay in the stomach of a big shark? hehe. great work!

11-07-2004, 08:46 AM
hey tell ya wt. i am totally impressed........
in 2 days.. kooll....
i always wanted to do that... but .. never knew how to start

11-10-2004, 03:56 AM
very nice... i have noting more to say

11-13-2004, 01:17 AM
It's very good, and just for 2 days. Amazing! Bravo!

11-14-2004, 11:26 AM
Great model but i wouldn;t like the bill to replace that back tyre!

11-14-2004, 02:15 PM
Thanks to all Now I'm working on the similar concept but another car an ENTRY to the Peugeot Design Contest .. but first will show it at CG talk soon. :) Thanks to all

RyanDHale :))) that's why the people discover the insurance of the cars :))) Thanks to all CIAO :beer:

11-29-2004, 03:29 PM
:twisted: i love this. great work.i would to drive that bad boy.

11-29-2004, 03:43 PM
well it sure looks aggresive and all, shark like, it is an original deign BUT a bit to agressive to me, i especially dont like the "holes" onder the nose, if there was a fluent line there to my opinion it would have looked slicker like shark, in other words => overkill, but creative, no copy of real life (cuz there is no actual errrrmmm autobike thingy like this) overall => great job

12-05-2004, 03:45 AM
That's really f*$%in' cool!

Hope it doesn't use nitrous cause that rear tire is gonna get mighty hot.

:wise: That's a Dodge Viper logo.:shrug:

12-16-2004, 04:38 AM
But current possible no one will go to production such thing

12-17-2004, 01:20 PM
i think i speak for the whole car design community when i say

12-22-2004, 12:58 PM
the design is so cool!

01-28-2005, 07:08 AM
Great design idea - and incredible realism! One of the best on CGTalk!! Hope to see more of your work!!



02-02-2005, 09:48 AM

02-04-2005, 11:26 AM
good work!ı like it !:)

02-06-2005, 05:40 PM
nice piece..

03-15-2005, 08:29 PM
I can't wait to see this vehicle on the streets..:)

Realy a very nice and detailed model.:thumbsup:

03-31-2005, 08:12 PM
Is there any way to get a full scene from this model? I would love to see an action scene !!! This is incredible work !!!

04-12-2005, 09:25 PM
Very cool vehicle.

If it has a name, I sure hope that name is HammerHead, cuz that's exactly what it looks like; a shark. :)


The only part I don't like is the shaping around the front-side exhaust holes... I think it would be better to remove/smoothen that part back to normality for a sleeker finish.

Agressive design, but perhaps a bit TOO aggressive for perfection.

04-19-2005, 01:36 PM
It's the kind of design that never goes to production, but thats the point of it, production designs are boring. Production car would be with different design ,because of yours would have some pfroblems with saefty. Nice concept anyway, keep going .

05-10-2005, 04:45 PM
Car-cycle is definitely a Ferrari, I’d love to see this bad boy, parked in a back street, somewhere in Rome and rendered at dusk…in Ferrari red and badge on the front…

…you’ve struck gold, in our imaginations, well done.


05-10-2005, 07:15 PM
yeah :) When I back in my memories with that piece I wonder can I create similar concept but workin ! cause I talked with profesionalists and this cant be build in real life.. I love that style but its immposible but I hope some day to find time and inspiration to get serious and work on that monster .

Thanks to all for the nice feedback I appraise that your great. iF Anyone have an ideas please PM ME !!!

However its a CG :) Thats why we can make freak thinks ,thats why I love CG :P

05-13-2005, 09:36 AM
... e-e-e pi4 ti me izkarti ...:eek:

05-23-2005, 03:35 PM
How fast does it go, great design, what type of influences were used?

Jerry van de Beek
06-21-2005, 03:27 PM
The material is a bit too reflective I think, but I love the original design.
Good work!

06-23-2005, 01:12 AM
Really incredible job Davaise. Continue your good work. But a car with the same style already exist. It's made in Quebec, Canada and I got to tell you it's so incredible to see one passing by at 140 mp/h. It's a Campagna T-Rex and it cost 48 000$

06-23-2005, 01:50 PM
hey hey hey thats so sweet :)))))))) hah thanks a lot for share me that info :) thats very nice vehicle for sure :) thanks for the nice comments

06-24-2005, 01:28 PM
Part car, part bike, part shark. Cool.

07-15-2005, 05:09 PM
Neat. It reminds me kind of a shark.

09-09-2005, 09:43 PM
Realy great design, I can't believe how fast U made it!

Incredibly fast in two days,
There is a something that I saw in frist look is I think
Front of your shark is a little busy.

Good luck.:D

12-29-2005, 02:47 AM
dude that is tremendous that would be great if dodge made that a real car. Good Job

06-09-2006, 04:29 PM
fantastic, the shape and function of this vehicle must be the top class in the world.i love it

07-30-2006, 09:59 PM
Great image. But how do you get in it? It seems the wheels block the access. Do you have an image of the door open.

Other than that, it seems fun to driive.

08-24-2006, 03:57 PM
It's very cool! Nice work!

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