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04-08-2004, 12:33 PM
I'm going to be posting my concepts for you all to play with. There'll be a wide range of characters some toon and some not. I'll try and get some orthos up over the weekend but for now, it'll just be the initial ideas.

May as well start with some stuff I don't have to scan in....These two are ideas I had started in 3D but never had the time to finish. Now it's your turn. :)

Lucky - The hopless romantic and total geek. He'd be a real ladies man if he could ever figure out how the guys in "Weird Science" made one.


Little Purple Dude - he's lost and can't find his way.

04-08-2004, 12:39 PM
Timmy. The school bully and roughneck. Thinks he's a lot funnier than he really is.

Pinky and Rex. Rex is a little boy who, when angry or excited, turns into Pinky, a strange cat like thingie. :)

04-08-2004, 12:46 PM
coool cocepts! I like the one eyed monster the best, though not very original. :-) good work.

04-08-2004, 12:56 PM
Thanks. Yeah, I know...I was in a Jade Cocoon Mood.

Zeena - Also Known As Death in High Heels and Tight Pants. Please ignore her foot wear. At the time I couldn't decide what to go with.

04-08-2004, 12:57 PM
Earl - The Evil Genius who's so smart he's stupid.

04-08-2004, 12:59 PM
The Black Mage - Just a magic wielder with too much time on his hands. Strike a pose dude!


04-08-2004, 01:03 PM
Just a beastie...maybe what the purple dude grows up into.


04-08-2004, 01:07 PM
An Alien

04-08-2004, 01:19 PM
Jackal Warrior.

That's it for now. Let me know if any of them craves to be made and I'll try to toss up a turn around or two.

04-08-2004, 01:30 PM
Okay, I lied. Two more and that's it for now....



Please ignore that gun...it's just....it's just wrong is what it is, really. :cry:


04-08-2004, 03:28 PM
:-D those are so cool, I like the Earl Bird and the alien much! The last two are very well drawn too.

04-08-2004, 04:58 PM
Great stuff Teyon,

My pics are the black mage and the last guy you posted with the mace. I think it would be sweet if the black mage was modeled along with his magic in his hand that would look cool when made into a sculpture if done right.

So do you have any orthos of either one of those. Thanks.


04-08-2004, 05:21 PM
Thanks gang! I'll draw some up tonight. I have a 3 Day weekend, so I'll be able to do orthos of most of these characters.

04-08-2004, 05:23 PM
Awesome, I cant wait to see the orthos and hopefully i will be able to join and do some modeling. Peace


04-08-2004, 05:41 PM
Ooops some how it double posted, my bad.


04-09-2004, 03:18 PM
I didn't get to draw anything last night, got home and was so pooped I just went to sleep. I'm up now though and ready to start the orthos and add a few more concepts for you all too. So, would you want just regular orthos or should I create orhtos of the poses they are in?

04-09-2004, 10:11 PM
I decided to make the scales on his skirt thingie more prominent so it would show up when milled but if you want to leave them out, that's okay. Also, if you want to change the buttons to buckles, that's fine too.


I'll be back with a front shot in a bit and some detailing of the mace.

04-09-2004, 10:17 PM
Just an idea for an alien head. You can make a bust out of it.


04-09-2004, 10:20 PM


04-09-2004, 10:20 PM
woah...those are big. Should I like...link out to them?

04-09-2004, 10:24 PM

04-09-2004, 10:27 PM
like the lizard style one, but would the tail and top spikes snap when produced?:thumbsup:

04-09-2004, 10:35 PM
Thanks. The tail probably won't depending on it's thickness and if we have it attached to some kind of base...I couldn't think of a pose for this guy so that would be left up to the modeler and it would be easy to place a rock face or something against the tail to keep it from breaking. But maybe I'm wrong?

The spikes on his head may snap though...optional pieces then. :) A spikeless lizard dude is fine with me too.

04-09-2004, 10:42 PM
a menacing, almost attack/ambush pose springs to my mind, or poised on a rock, crouched looking down from the rock ready to spring/ambush from above:thumbsup:

bit like a mantle piece ornament looking down to the floor:)

with the tail curled round the exterior of the rock, so to keep it as a cast mould would work

04-09-2004, 10:45 PM
Cool idea! Thanks! I'll have a go at a drawing of it.

Say, just a bit OT but I like what you guys are doing for the Shirow Porject. neat stuff. Especially liked that dude in the hat...his hair in particular. I always have trouble modeling hair. Anyway, thanks bunches. Be back with orthos of Earl and hopefully an ortho of the alien guy from earlier also.

04-09-2004, 10:51 PM
thanks, appreciated:)

i Like this concept we are talking about tonight, it would make a great ornament:thumbsup:

04-09-2004, 10:53 PM
I agree. I would love that on my desk. I can't wait to get finished with Earl so I can draw a mock-up of what that description you gave would look like. Very very cool idea.

04-10-2004, 12:39 AM
Teyon, could you please post orthos of the Black Mage? I'd like to try modeling it.

04-10-2004, 02:18 AM
Originally posted by jayreef
like the lizard style one, but would the tail and top spikes snap when produced?:thumbsup:

At Full size, the spikes and Tail would print fine.

And the Tail would also help the creature stand on it own.

04-10-2004, 10:25 AM
3dArtToPart - Thanks. Good to know!

turumdarak - I'll get on it. Do you want the orthos pre-posed or just standard like the Lizard dude?


hmmm...one of his hands has an extra finger...that's not supposed to be there....crap.

04-10-2004, 05:48 PM
I'd like the orthos pre-posed.


04-10-2004, 06:03 PM
All the concept are real good work specially i like the beast and the orc!

I think the lizard one need something that make it more unic, more original.. it is look... so much lizard :P

04-10-2004, 09:31 PM
Thanks. Well, the lizard dude actually had some shoulder gear and a cape in my original sketch for him but I wasn't sure about those so I dropped them. I guess it kind of shows... more orthos of these designs coming and ONE FINAL NEW DESIGN. After that, I take a break from the pencil to go back to some modeling. :shrug:

04-10-2004, 10:06 PM
I can not wait to see lizard boy, being pounce like:bounce:

04-10-2004, 10:19 PM
:) soon. Very soon. I'm working out a couple of angles....I may end up drawing two different poses for that one.

04-12-2004, 02:59 AM
Show em the Flog you did!!!

04-12-2004, 06:12 AM
I was just wondering if you were going to finish the front views of the orc guy with the mace. Thanks


04-12-2004, 07:23 AM
The weekend turned out busier than I thought it would. Sorry gang.

turumdarak - I'm hard at work on it and will have it up this week...I promise.

Flog...okay...maybe I'll put up two new designs then, a cybernetic cowgirl and FLOG. :)

katon - this should do I think. If I have time I'll do more...we do have a month and a few weeks afterall....


his mace:

04-12-2004, 08:42 PM
hey Teyon,

Thanks for the front view, if you get around to it making the rest of his arm would be nice, but i will be fine with out it. Hopefully i will get to start working on this soon. Also, are you going to be doing any orthos of your wizard, i think he would make for and awesome sculpture with the magic and qhat not in his hands. Anyways thanks ofr the orthos. Peace


04-13-2004, 12:24 AM
I'm working on the Mage's turn around now. Been awhile since I've done one pre-posed so I'm just trying to get the angles correct. I will either add his arms or post up a detail of them, how's that?

04-13-2004, 05:19 AM
whatever is cool man, iu think you orthos are awesome and i am so glad to be able to model from such nice ones. Peace


04-15-2004, 06:26 PM
man ur concepts are great.
recently i saw a ninja made by pisong,
it is in his web site .
can u draw concepts and orthos of the character.
so that i can model it in 3d.

04-16-2004, 05:48 AM
Originally posted by vishnu_venky
man ur concepts are great.
recently i saw a ninja made by pisong,
it is in his web site .
can u draw concepts and orthos of the character.
so that i can model it in 3d.

I have a feeling that would be against the rules, as I think the original concpets have to be...well...original. :) However, after I fixed your link, I discovered that the person you are talking about visits this site. Why not just send him an IM and ask him to join the contest so he can post up his orthos of the Ninja and any other cool models he's made?

His name on CGTalk is Pi3141

04-16-2004, 07:09 AM
When you get a chance, would you post orthos of the purple guy? I love that character! Thanks!!!

Pi is out of town and won't be back for a looooong time. Just in case you are trying to contact him...

04-16-2004, 08:54 AM
Are you talking about, Lucky the rabbit?

04-16-2004, 10:38 AM
in that case can u dig ur imagination and draw me a orthos of comic ninja.
or some other comic character that is easy 2 model and rig.

04-16-2004, 10:48 AM
...Sure. I was gonna take a quickie break after posting the Mage, Lucky, and the Alien today but I'll add it to my list.

04-16-2004, 11:08 AM
thanxs a lot man.
let the ninja be a comic character,
i'm planning on using a finaltoon shader on him.
and also post a degign of his sword.

& one final request.
i've searched many forums.
but not even one 3dartist is making the famous BUGS BUNNY.
what do u think

04-16-2004, 11:15 AM
For your personal use, I can draw up a Bugs for you to model but 3dArtToPart probably won't touch it with a 10 foot pole unless ya somehow got permission to have one milled. There's all kinds of copyright and trademark stuff involved.

04-16-2004, 11:21 AM
Just remembered I had this on my site...which I really should update one of these days.


It's Earl and his gang of villains. The twins aren't very brght but they sure can punch.

04-16-2004, 02:06 PM

04-16-2004, 04:04 PM
I actually meant the one after Lucky. The description you wrote was:

Little Purple Dude - he's lost and can't find his way.


04-16-2004, 04:27 PM
Oh, him. Okay, no sweat. I may even have him made up already, I'll have to check my files...

04-17-2004, 01:04 PM
thats alright.
i jus want it for personal use.

but draw the orthos of the ninjs as well.

04-17-2004, 01:32 PM
Ok. I will. :)


Ugh...is this awful or what? IT's been too long since I've tried to do a posed turn around. I'm going to still post up a regular turn around for this guy too.

04-17-2004, 04:56 PM
Hows lizard boy coming along, and you have been busy:thumbsup:

04-17-2004, 09:08 PM
Slow and steady but on its way. :) I just noticed that the Mage ortho's legs are screwed up. They're too short. Now I have to do a normal turn around. :cry:

04-18-2004, 11:54 AM
I know I still have a lot of orthos left to post but uh...any 3D happening yet? :)

04-18-2004, 12:11 PM
As for 3D's from me, seriously contemplating doing lizard boy, waiting for that scene shot to nail it down, no promises, but you never know:drool:

04-18-2004, 12:23 PM
Coolness. I should have at least one of the concepts for it up today. Not planning to go out but I do have a few models of my own to finsih so that and the little purple dude may be it for skecthes today.

04-19-2004, 06:11 AM
yeah, purple dude! I just finished another modelling challenge on another forum, so I'm all about EVOLUTION now. Thanks Teyon,

04-20-2004, 04:47 AM
Hey Teyon,

I just started. I don't have much more than the eye, but I just wanted to show you that I'm starting :) Since I'm working off the ref you posted, I'm having a bit of a hard time determining the shape of the eyelid. It looks like the upper lid doesn't follow a smooth curve and it also looks like there's some thickness to it that there wouldn't be in a real eye.

Anyhow, I followed the ref as closely as I could and this is what I made. Again, this is really early, but I wanted to show you that 3d is being produced (!) and also to get your comments on this area because it is kind of tricky.


*edit* image removed.

04-20-2004, 06:44 AM
Sorry. I was ... unavoidably detained.

Here come the refs. Nice start by the way.

I would say you have a good shape going, though not quite what I had in mind, as the refs will show. However, the one you have could easily be a sister or brother to the reference image. The eye in the refs sits more in the head than on the head. I get more of an on the head impression from the eye you modeled but with the right refs, all that will change, I'm sure. :)

04-20-2004, 06:54 AM

note: the eyelids are more closed in the side shot, you can make them wider if you want or close them up...whatever is better for ya. I know how tough it is to model something without decent orthos, sorry to keep you all waiting.

04-20-2004, 07:11 AM
Thanks Teyon. I think your new refs will be much easier to model from. I was having issues with proportions because the other drawing looked cool, but I couldn't get it to work right in 3d. Now I can see exactly what you want.

I think I'll probably abandon "brother of new reference image" and start again :) I'll just consider that a dry run for the real model. hah.

Thanks again,
ps. I'll try to post my WIP as I work. I've never worked from someone else's concepts before, so I really appreciate getting your feedback. Crits are always welcome.

04-20-2004, 08:05 AM
:) Glad to hear it. I'm looking foward to seeing what you all can do with my refs. I usually don't share 'em...greedy pig that I am, I like to model from them myslef instead. It'll be neat to see what other folks do with them. Looking foward to updates.


I know that sometimes a sketch, even an ortho, doesn't carry over to 3D very well, so if something doesn't seem to work, don't be afraid to tweak it as needed. Just be sure to mention it though, here, so the voters will know why it was done. Ok, time for bed. It's 4am here in NYC and I have to be to work soon. Ciao.

04-21-2004, 01:48 PM
I haven't had time to decide on and complete any of the lizard warrior's pose design or backdrops but I do have some rough work done that may help you along in your modeling.



more of the ideas to follow...

04-21-2004, 04:16 PM
looking kind of awesome there Teyon:thumbsup:

04-22-2004, 02:52 AM
Hey Teyon,

I figured I ought to show you my new model, at the same point as I had my other one. The modelling was easier this time because of your ref. Thanks! Still an early stage, but I wanted you to see the eye, because I always think that's one of the most important aspects of a model.

Any crits about the eye shape or general body? I was wondering if you liked the oval shape of the body, or if you wanted one end tapered more than the other.



04-22-2004, 03:01 AM
Nah, looks good to me. Don't forget his lower jaw juts out, so when you put that in, the shape will obviously change to the lower half seeming to be wider. That won't actually be the case but it will feel that way, just like it does in the sketches. I like it I like it. :) Couldn't have done better myself.

Just thought I'd remind you about something I forgot...his orthos are missing a toe. He should have 2 in the front. Just thought I'd mention that. I make silly mistakes when I'm doing too many things at the same time. :)

04-23-2004, 04:34 AM
Here's another small update (slowly but surely. hehehe). I just did the basic shape of the mouth. Even though I'm working slowly, I'm really enjoying myself. This Evolution project is probably the most fun I've had modelling in a while! (so thanks, Teyon and Kirt). As before, feel free to crit what you see.


04-23-2004, 07:34 PM
Thanks for the orthos Teyon.
I finally got a chance to start on him, I probably won't get a lot done until after May 13 when the semester is over.
Here is what I have of his pouch: http://www.mithrilstudio.com/images/pouch1.jpg

04-23-2004, 10:04 PM
ok, i'm up for it, love the lizardboy concept

gonna give it a go:thumbsup:

04-23-2004, 10:42 PM
Sorry, I'm still running around like a chicken with its head chopped off. Love the work I've seen from everyone so far and looking foward to everything you all can come up with. I will try to get some more hand drawn character shots to help establish some of these character's personalities and also a few more orthos up .

Busy busy busy.

04-24-2004, 12:54 AM
I got some more done.- eye, teeth, lower legs.
Do you think the legs should be bigger?-- wider, longer?


04-24-2004, 01:01 AM
Hey there! Lookin' good. I think the leg could be plumper and you see the side shot? where the leg cuts off? If you were to bring it down to about where the image is cropped, I think that would do it. :)

04-24-2004, 01:08 AM
Thanks. I'll work on those leg proportions more.

What do you think about an environment, or something? I was thinking it would be fun to make a street sign, or put some rocks on the ground.

Also, what kind of base do you think I ought to make?


04-24-2004, 01:20 AM
I'm a big fan of rocks. In fact, the lizard warrior sketches I was making had him sitting on a particular rock face. Having said that, maybe we should stray from that. How about a 3 way finger sign? One pointing east, one pointing north and the other pointing up? He could be on a desert type surface which would allow for some grass and/or cacti and lots of little pebbles (ok, I can't let go of the rock thing). What do you think?

04-24-2004, 02:47 AM
What's a three way finger sign?

I was thinking it would be cool to try to write our names on the street sign (I just think that would be cool. hehehe)- kind of like you're at the corner of Mechis and Teyon.

Also, I was trying to think of some props for him to lean on, or for his arm to be attached to (like his arm attached to the street sign's pole, or something) because I the body is pretty heavy looking and the legs are itty-bitty.

Do you think pebbles would show up? Maybe medium sized rocks?

I dunno. Just some ideas.

04-24-2004, 02:55 AM
I like the street sign idea. A few fair sized rocks would be nice also. If we give him a good sized base, he won't need to lean on anything really. :)

04-24-2004, 04:35 AM
Here's the last update for tonight.

Any ideas for a stand would be good, otherwise it might be a plain base that says Black Mage.
See any problems with it yet?

04-24-2004, 06:29 PM
How about he is on the underneath of an overhang rockface, drawing out his gecko like ability to climb walls and ceilings

and if you like you can put a finger sign on top of the cliff


04-26-2004, 01:43 AM
turumdarak , why not use a spell book? Either open or closed and have him standing on it? What do you think? I may have time next Wed. or Sun. to do some sketches for you all of possible stands...

04-26-2004, 01:56 AM
A spell book sounds pretty good. Thanks.

04-26-2004, 10:16 PM
Just so you know that work is underway, I have started mapping out the mesh, please feel free to crit all you like, but as I say, its very rough, and about 2 hours so far:thumbsup:


reckon we have a month before the deadline, it could be a close call, but we are gonna try:bounce:

04-26-2004, 10:40 PM
Looks like a good start so far. I also liked your idea about the way he hangs from the base. Very cool.

04-27-2004, 06:32 AM
I worked on the legs and the feet a bit. Earlier in the thread, you said the purple guy had two toes, but your concept (on page 1) has 3, so I did three. I hope you like it. I posted the whole character and a view of just the feet. Do you think it needs work? I didn't put in any toe joints b/c I couldn't see any in the concept.

Oh, and another thing I struggled with a bit, was whether to do the long part of the feet with separate toes coming out of the ankle or not. Looking at the concept, it looked like they were all attached, so that's how I modelled it. What do you think?


04-27-2004, 08:56 AM
He looks great. Actually, I lppked back and realized I didn't really make clear how his were, my fault. They are seperate BUT so close together that they may as well be a single unit for the purposes of milling. So I think it's great. Don't change a thing...unless his teeth are still stuck to the upper lip the way they were in the image you first posted them in. I'm sure you moved them foward a bit so they come out of the lower lip and barely touch the upper part of the head. :)

Great job. He just needs his oversized arms now. He kind of walks and stands like a gorilla most of the time, so if you need to wanted any clarification on that. His arms are so long, they are almost always held in front of him or dragged behind him, so the length of them doesn't interfere with his movement. In fact, he uses them to walk with more than his feet, which kind of serve more of a balancing purpose than anything else.

04-27-2004, 10:11 PM
small update, but getting close to doing some serious modelling now, the base outside is falling into shape, with a few obvious major flaws, but were moving right along.. i think:wip:


04-28-2004, 07:23 PM
main OS has gone weird on mac, re installing, back in 2 days:thumbsup:

04-29-2004, 12:58 AM
Hey Teyon,
I'm about to start on the arm/hand and I have a question for you. In your concept, I'm not sure if the purple dude has human-like fingers (just really short) with two knuckles per finger, or if the fingers have just one knuckle.

04-29-2004, 01:07 AM
I was debating that as I was drawing it. After looking over the first image, I decided I had to go with:

The main knuckle in the hand propper and one knuckle joint before the finger tip.

I hope you get things worked out Jayreef. I'm pretty excited to see how close your lizard is to the one I made in Rhino some time back. :)


and people have 3 joints in their fingers but only two in their thumbs. :)

04-29-2004, 01:31 AM
Um.... I have two knuckles.... oh wait, no I don't. hah. Ok, you're right.

04-29-2004, 06:45 AM
new OS on and running well, just apps to fire back on:thumbsup:

04-30-2004, 12:20 PM
Cool! Looking foward to seeing these things done up. :) I may do some of them myslef to compare them to yours when I get back from Denmark....

05-01-2004, 09:33 PM
up and running again, at last:wip:

update on sculpting, and these should be coming at you thick and fast now:thumbsup:


05-01-2004, 11:49 PM
had chance to do a bit more:beer:


05-02-2004, 12:06 AM
this will do for tonight:thumbsup:


05-02-2004, 02:06 AM
Hey Teyon,
I modelled the rest of the character. Tell me if you see anything wrong or if you want me to change something. I gotta tell you, I've never modelled anything like this before-- This is my first complete character... and those are the first set of hands that I've ever done! hahahaha. I'm pretty excited to see how this is turning out!!!

I'd really like to hear your comments about proportions and stuff. I want to stay true to your concept.

If you think the character is good, then I'll move on to making the stand/environment. Tell me if you have any other ideas than the ones mentioned before, or... (hehehe), if you'd like to draw up some ideas, that would be cool too. Or, I'll just think of something :)

ps. Looking at my pic again, I think the junction of the fingers to the arm looks a little flat. I may try to round that out a bit. hmmmm...

http://www.marcuslee.net/temp/pmonster06.jpg http://www.marcuslee.net/temp/pmonster07.jpg

05-02-2004, 08:14 AM
Hey Teyon,
OK. I was looking at the concept again and I decided that the fingers were too long, so I redid most of the hand and shortened the fingers. I still am not sure that it looks right. For some reason, in your pic, the hand is pretty wid and almost looks like it flows into the arm, but there is still some definition. I don't think that my model does the same thing. Do you have any ideas on what proportions are wrong in my model?


05-02-2004, 01:35 PM
Hiya gang. Mechis, the thumb should be just a little shorter or pulled back from the fingers just a tiny bit more. That's it on the porportional problems, the rest is strictly detail oversights. The inside of your model's forearm has some kind of seam showing, you may want to smooth that out. Also, the area where the elbow is has points on the top and bottom of your model (the elbow itself is fine) these could be smoothed down but if it's too difficult to do, you can leave it. THe back of his hand and his palms are not really as detailed as the refs. If nothing else, you should define the palms a bit more, making the major creases if you think all the little detail probably won't turn up in the statuette. So far, this is one of the best translations to 3D of a character I've made (including my own attempts). Great work but don't forget about his ears and his spikes.

Jayreef, things are coming along pretty well my major concern right now is that porportions seem a bit off to me. He's looking wide and short. I like the plating so far, it's less smooth then what I'd made. If it will help a little, take a look at this old Rhino version I'd made. The tail isn't visible in this image but you can get a feel of where I think the model should be going. I have to say though, you got the rough forms up pretty quickly!

Note that in this image, I think I made his arms a bit longer than they should have been also.

05-02-2004, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by Teyon

my major concern right now is that porportions seem a bit off to me. He's looking wide and short.

Yeah thought so too, working on it though.

Originally posted by Teyon
I like the plating so far, it's less smooth then what I'd made.


Originally posted by Teyon
If it will help a little, take a look at this old Rhino version I'd made. The tail isn't visible in this image but you can get a feel of where I think the model should be going. I have to say though, you got the rough forms up pretty quickly!

it does thanks


and thanks for the encouragement:bounce:

05-02-2004, 02:23 PM
Well, I'm really psyched by all this and I want you folks to have a shot at the prize, so I'm gonna do anything I can to help. I'm leaving for Denmark at the end of this week (i.e this coming Saturday). So you guys will be on your own for a week or so after that. If the place I'm lecturing at has internet access, I'll check in and help out as much as possible but I doubt I'll get the chance.

05-02-2004, 03:37 PM
more WIP, thinned him off at the waist a bit, and followed the drawings on the scales, and where they are going:thumbsup:


05-02-2004, 05:28 PM
Oh yeah... I forgot about the ears and spikes. hah. I'll try to rework some of the geometry like you suggested.


05-02-2004, 10:04 PM
tell you what Teyon, lovin this competition piece for you, great fun:thumbsup:

update, thinned him, stretched him, and been going at them legs and feet, meaning will move onto the arms, with sneak modelling back at the parts already covered:bounce:


05-05-2004, 12:59 AM
WOw. That's coming along swell. :) Yes, I still use that word. I'm an old fashioned 29 year old so sue me. lol. Really excellent work you all are doing. Gosh. I hope we win out.

05-05-2004, 06:21 AM
thanks Teyon, you are being too kind:blush:

anyway, update time:

still going strong, had a night off, and built a rigg for him, so we can get him posed up, got back to it last night, and almost done those arms


05-05-2004, 01:27 PM
looking foward to seeing him posed. :) Man. Sucks I have to leae soon. :cry:

05-05-2004, 04:13 PM
any thoughts on a pose for him, need to model his head first though, lol....

but need to start looking at how you want him:)

05-05-2004, 08:21 PM
hey Teyon, need some designer advice on the hand nails, you will finger2, and finger 3 are different at the ends

which do you prefer, or if neither, what direction should i be going:thumbsup:


05-05-2004, 08:38 PM
this Lizard creature is coming along nicely

Hey Teyon, it must be a real treat seeing your creations come to life through someone elses hands.

Have fun on your trip.

05-05-2004, 10:51 PM
Hey Flog, thanks man. :)

Jayreef, the knuckles could use a little more tweaking and the nails should be more like human nails but extended. Hmm....do you know Sabertooth? The X-Men villain? Well, anyway, like his nails. I'll post up an idea of what I mean later tonight. Put simply, the nail should sit on top of the finger like ours instead of from the center like a cat's. Great work:buttrock:

05-05-2004, 11:14 PM
awesome, thanks Teyon:thumbsup:

05-14-2004, 04:23 PM
Well, since the last week or so was lost, here is a repost of my latest update.


05-14-2004, 08:43 PM
well guys this sucks that we lost all of that discusioin. O well i guess. Anyways here is the last render and update i submitted.


last update

05-14-2004, 08:45 PM
so we lost all the stuff going on between us all over the last 7/8 days,

Katon, all that bonding lost in a moments madness from some f*ckwit with a hacking complex

Teyon, it will be like you never went away

everybody else, lets get them posts back up for when teyon gets back on sunday:thumbsup:

Turumdarak, get free image hosting here



05-14-2004, 08:45 PM
Alright teyon, now to catch you up.

Here is a sweet website with some awesome models. www.panzar.com

Also i am to the point almost of doign all the armor and accesories. So i think we need to come up with an awesome weapon and shield design for him. we need to make some cool things for him. I was thinking a huge axe would be cool. Also a shield he could strap to his arm or something. Anyways check out that website and yuo will see what i mean. I Hope to hear from you soon.

I just realized we lost all the post counts as well, i dont think i have ever posted as much as i did this past week than ever. O well.


05-14-2004, 08:47 PM
who wanted these?



05-14-2004, 08:49 PM
where i was up to a couple of days ago



05-14-2004, 08:52 PM
ok here is a pic of a head from a pirate i am workoing on also, so i hope this helps wth your head issues.


Topology reaserch (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38469)

also that is a good thread with topolgy talk.

It was funny i was looking at the thread and was like, YES teyon is back, and then i was thinking these post look familar, anbd they were. DOH. Oh well. and yeah Jayreef it sucks we lost all that chat. Anyways guys, i dont have much time to work on my stuff the next few days so i might not have many updates for a few. Talk to you guys soon.


05-14-2004, 09:00 PM
cool pirate, :thumbsup:

anyway, i am out of here until tomorrow too, my wifes not well

see you guys tomorrow:wavey:

05-15-2004, 12:58 AM
Here's my update. I fixed up the hands and arms. I also put in the ears. I'm going to tweak those a bit, but I think they're pretty much done.


05-15-2004, 01:07 AM
I've always been a fan of a ball and chain. mwa ha ha

I was looking at the back of your model and was wondering what you were going to do with the top of the tail. More spikes?

Sorry to hear your wife is sick...


05-15-2004, 01:14 AM
Here's another update. Roughed out the right sleeve and the staff. Thanks for the wires of heads, guys.


It's looking pretty good Mechis.

Now if Teyon will just get back.

05-15-2004, 01:25 AM
Thanks! I'm glad you like it :)

Could you post a bigger image of your model? I want to see the details you put in! Looks cool.

05-15-2004, 04:30 AM
Hi Katon ,Jayreef, mechis and everybody else!

Too bad we lost our last post ,so here is where i was few days ago:




05-15-2004, 04:31 AM
I'll get a bigger one up in the morning, I'm messing around with the open-source renderer Toxic that's in development. It's kinda slow, but it turns out nice pictures.
Hopefully you'll like what details you'll see. :shrug:

05-15-2004, 05:05 AM
Update (second part)

Mechis : good work so far , particuliary for your hand;
perhaps your model would look greater if you define a little more his arm and shoulder muscles.

Today i'm starting the body:



See you later.

05-15-2004, 01:18 PM
Mechis, thanks, your model is coming along great, and will look at the tail when teyon lets me know what he wants it like

totonsuspect, if your body comes out as good as your head, its gonna be awesome

turumdarak, looking forward to a bigger pic:thumbsup:

05-15-2004, 04:24 PM
tontonsuspect it loks like you have a good start there, i cant wait to see what you come up with. Peace


05-15-2004, 04:26 PM
Well, after about an eight hour render I've got a bigger picture. I'm going to make the last image just a link since it is just a smaller version.


05-15-2004, 07:15 PM
Looks good. I like the folds that you put in the cloth. It looks pretty natural.

05-16-2004, 04:48 PM
Hey guys I figured i would post an image of the head since it was lost in the post. Anyways here it is.

Turumdarak i was wondering why did that render take 8 hours long. What are you rendering with and what settings. That render above with my ogre only took 3 minutes, and i was doing global illumination, granted I have a gig of ram and stff but still, 8 hours man, you might want to figure out what is going on.

Teyon I hope you get back today we have some stuff to work out. Peace



05-16-2004, 06:03 PM
hopefully you are back soon Teyon, and we can all get rolling again:thumbsup:

05-16-2004, 07:20 PM
@Katon: the renderer I'm using is called Toxic (http://toxicengine.sourceforge.net/) it's in Alpha stage right now. I also had the sampling set to 20x20, 1,000,000 photons, and then I rendered out to 1024x1024 and cropped to what you see now.
The 512x512 renders I did took "maybe" 3 hours. When time is important, I just use the renderer in trueSpace, which is many times faster, but no GI.
The head is looking nice, your looks more evil/angry and tonton's looks more dangerously insane. :p

05-17-2004, 04:26 PM
turumdarak thanks for the link. I checked that out, it is pretty cool that it is free and all. BUt still that seems liek forever when rendering something like that. But o well.

Guys i have had a friend from out of town here so i have nto been abe to work on my orc. So tomorow and maybe tonight i will get to work on him. We only have like 2 weeks left so everyone get going. Peace guys


05-17-2004, 05:01 PM
yeah, I am ill at the moment, dont feel up to doing anything

but i am panicking like hell, 2 weeks is not long:wip:

05-17-2004, 05:06 PM
That sucks Jayreef, did you catch what your wife had.

I realy hope teyon gets back soon, or i might just start modeling the straps and stuff. I jus want this to be a joint project you know and stay with in the guide lines the best i can.

Anyways man I hope you feel better soon.


05-17-2004, 05:08 PM
OH yeah on other thing. Do you guys think the knees on the orc look a little low, my buddy mentioned it to me and i started lookin at it thought he might be right. It makes his legs look funky for some reason. What do you guys think


05-17-2004, 06:21 PM
knees look ok to me, maybe its the length of his skirt, it starts very high, and finishes very high too:thumbsup:

05-17-2004, 07:28 PM
cool models. my fav is that little green one which looks a bit like from Monsters Inc :applause:

05-17-2004, 08:11 PM
HEY! Thanks man. That's very encouraging to hear :applause: I think that everyone is really producing top-notch work though. This is my first challenge and it has been fun to see how everyone has progressed.
Thanks again,

05-17-2004, 09:38 PM
I'm back. I'm at work. Experiencing some modem malfunctions at home. need replacement. sometime this week. damn fine work though. The troll's forearm in the front view is all that's bugging me at the moment. will do some scans and head over to the internet cafe on 42nd street to try and send them to you all.

05-18-2004, 03:37 AM
Teyon, what is going on,

I hope you like my model, i know you left before i started. So anyways are you talking abotu my character, the forearm you said is funny. Anyways, I am alsmost to the point of staring all the accesories. So, I was wondering if you had any ideas a little more detailed of how we should do the straps around his waist. I can do it my self, but i figudred I would ask since this is supposed to be a team project. Also like i have said before we should make hims a pimp weapon, I think a big axe would be cool, with some stuff hanging off and cloth wrapped around it and what not. Also a shield could be cool, I was trying to think about what this guy would be doing, and a shiled would make him look a little gladiatorish. But it could be cool. Anyways man I cant wait to hear what you think. Peace


05-18-2004, 09:42 AM
Hi gang. Decided to skip the internet cafe and ran as fast as I could to the nearest CompUSA. New modem means new life for us! Have a quick windows update to install and then I'll be back to address some of the positive and not so positive things I've seen here. :) You folks rock!

05-18-2004, 10:08 AM
looking forward to it Teyon, and welcome back:thumbsup:

05-18-2004, 10:12 AM
katon - May I just say what an amazing job you did on the face of the troll/orc/giant/whatever-you-want-to-call-it! When I took a quick look while teaching Rhino last Friday, the entire class ooooed and ahhhhed at the head. It was funny, actually, as I was teaching them how to model a head in Rhino at the exact moment. lol. So, if you can't tell, I'm very happy with the head and I'm also pleased with the chest, shoulders, and back. Now, here's the kicker. The forearms aren't quite buldging correctly. If you hold your arm out straight and look in a mirror, you'll notice the outer part of the forearm sticks out more then the underside. Your model has the opposite thing going on. tweak that and life would be sweet. :)


(if you click the link and it doesn't work, just let me know and I'll email the image to you along with a few anatomy refs to clarify things)

More gear you say? ok. I work only an hour and a half today, so unless I get visited by a really hot woman, there should be no problem designing some more optional gear for you to add as you see fit. Also, I've been to the Panzer (and I'm spelling it wrong) site in the past. Great stuff, glad you saw it and posted a link, it put things in perspective for my class. :) I think going along those lines is fine but they kind of over do some things, allowing the character to be lost in too much baggage. The newer models there though are more like what I would do. So yes, we're thinking along those lines both for the bases of the model you are working on and also for th gear but on a more streamlined approach.

oh, about the base...I was thinking we could place him in front of a cave entrance, maybe nearly under the entrace? Or between two pillars (one broken, obviously for the sake of assymetry). What do ya think?

05-18-2004, 10:13 AM
Thanks Jayreef! You're next. :) Give me a sec to assess the situation.

05-18-2004, 10:36 AM
Jayreef - How are you doing? I hope you're feeling a bit better. My friend, you have done some excellent work while I was away. You really took the model and ran, extrapolating some of the details I neglected to provide you. For that, I'm both impressed and pleased (if I can say that without sounding condescending). I like the spine you made in particular.

Lizard Dude's Back Shots From Rhino...2-04 (http://www.renderosity.com/artistdownload.ez?fileid=11595&key=415925)

Having said all that, I'd just like to see a bit more definition in the back muscles (I provided a shaded view of my old model as a ref) if that is at all possible at this point. If not, and you're still waiting for design ideas on a base. I liked the 2 crouching images I'd posted sometime back, the one with the spear would probably be the best to use, as it won't hide that much of the front compared to the one with him on a wall. So, Lizard dude, crouching atop a rock-face (rock-face like the one in Lion King when Pumba was born). How's that sound for ya?

Oh, I should mention the spike thingies on my model are completely optional on yours. I didn't care for them much after I'd made them and I have a feeling you'd feel the same.:thumbsup:

05-18-2004, 10:41 AM
Mechis - How's that song go? Oh yeah....

"Can't Touch This."


It's a flawless translation. So far. Not sure if I simply missed it on Friday or not but uh...he's still missing his Spikes according to the images on page 9 of this thread. :) Add them, my friend, and it would be some of the most accurate 2d to 3d work I've seen in a long while. :thumbsup:

05-18-2004, 10:48 AM
Turumdarak - The mage moves along well from what I've seen. Again, not sure what all I missed last week before the attack. I was really upset about that by the way, I took a quick look, left, came back, and I couldn't get in because some shmuck mucked up the system. What a pain.

Anyways, my only concern with your model comes up when I look at his neck and then look at his staff.. His hand should come about half-way around his neck or so, right? If that's true, I don't think they'll be big enough to wrap around the staff. I could be worng though, it's too early to really tell. Looking foward to what you pull out of your magic hat next!

05-18-2004, 10:51 AM
So that's it for a few hours. I've got some sketching to do and I wanted to find someone's concepts to model too...You can't have all the fun now, I want some too. :) So yeah, great work all around and come what may, I'm thinking we're all winners.

05-18-2004, 11:00 AM
Yo Teyon,

Thanks for the crit on the model. I will for sure get to fixing that forearm, nothing to hard, and you are right abotu it.

About the panzar stuff, i agree it is a little over board, but i ment the quality i guess of how it is exacuted, the parts that is. I think we need some cool stuff for our guy but not nearly as much as a pnzar model.

Also i like the brocken pillar idea, that is actualy what i was thinking of before you even said that. Also I am glad you class liked my model that is cool. Anyways, it is 5 am here and i have been up all night playing UT 2004 with some friends, so i am off to bed, and i will get back to work on him tomorow. Oh and one last thing, if you have time, think of how you would like the straps around his waist and stuff, in the drawings it is kind of basic, if you dont have time i will just imprivise, and see what you think. Anyways bro, talk to you soon.


sorry abttu any typos I am tired

05-18-2004, 11:09 AM
:) Ok, I'll get to sketching out some pillars and try to add some flair to the straps if I can.

05-18-2004, 11:11 AM
cool Teyon,

Also what do you think about a weapon, do you like the axe idea, I was thinking huge freeking axe, or do you have something else in mind. Lets just make some cool stuff man, just tons of fine detail, and it will be cool. Peace


05-18-2004, 11:16 AM
Hmm....an Axe would be better probably. More in-line with the character then the mace. Ok. Axe it is. I'll happily pour on the details but I'm just not sure what will turn up once milled. After being given a tour of a prototyping facility last week too, I know a lot can show up but a lot can get lost too depending on how fine the prototyping system can get. But what the hheck, we'll worry about that when we need too. Now go get some sleep.

05-18-2004, 12:22 PM
cool enough Teyon, will sort out the back muscles, and get to grips with the base, any sketches,no matter how rough would be cool:bounce:

05-18-2004, 01:14 PM
i think this is kinda important to read Teyon, and everyone else

In order to keep this as organized as possible within the Collab forum, please follow these rules. Failure to submit your entry correctly will disqualify you and your team mate from final judging.
The deadline for this contest is June 1, 2004 12:00am PST.
All entries must be posted in this thread.
Two image collages are required for each entry (one 2D and one 3D image collage).
- An entry that does not contain 2 images or contains more than 2 images will be deleted from the thread.
- Each image size must not exceed 800x600.
- 2D entry must have front, side, and back ortho views plus a posed illustration of the character. Additional detail views are optional.
- Color is optional on 2D entries.
- 3D entry must have posed views of the model at 45, 135, 225 & 315 degrees of rotation. Additional detail views are optional.
- 3D models are not textured or have any shaders applied (default shader only).

Each entry should include a link to the WIP thread. This is so that other members who are browsing the contest can quickly and easily find your WIPs if they want to know more about the entry.

Each entry should include the screennames of each artist who worked on the entry.

05-18-2004, 01:17 PM
its a bit like a chicken and egg thing, my understanding is that the posed views come from the 2D posed view created by Teyon, i think that for the entries to be valid, it must be obvious that we have worked from the 2D posed view:wip:

05-18-2004, 01:55 PM
Okay. Done and done. missed that little bit about the posed thing being a pre-requisite. Thanks Jayreef. Will hop to it. I'm working an hour and a half in the real world today, tomorrow and Thursday. That should present plenty of time for me to come up with poses and what not. Though in the case of the lizard dude, I still like that one of him crouching. Crouching lizard hidden statue, eh?

05-18-2004, 02:23 PM
sounds good to me Teyon, like the crouching lion king hidden thing, if you can knock it together, will blitz it once i am feeling well enough:thumbsup:

05-18-2004, 06:07 PM
Hi all !

It's good to see you again Teyon.

Here is a small update of my orc:



I hope you will like it.

In the original design ,the sandals and the cloth of your orc reminds me the design of gladiator .

Beside a little mace,will you give this poor little thing a tool to protect its life?

05-18-2004, 07:05 PM
Woah. Since Teyon came back, there seems to have been a posting extravaganza. hah.

Thanks for the comments Teyon :) I will be adding the spikes in soon. I also started work on a base and will show you that soon too.

Later y'all,
ps. I just saw what Jayreef posted and I don't think I have a back view concept. I know you're super busy, but when you get a chance, could you whip up a quick one for me? thx!

05-18-2004, 08:11 PM
Heading off to work. Got some stuff done and will post them in about 3hrs when I get back.

05-18-2004, 08:12 PM
Mechis, I'll post up a shot of both his back and a rough of him in a pose by the sign we discussed. That should cover the bases I think.


I have something around 212 emails and 63 Renderosity IM's to reply to, so I ask that you just put up with my lack of speed today and promise I'll try to be quicker on the draw tomorrow. I've got a lot to catch up on...you all have been very busy.

05-18-2004, 09:44 PM
back any better for you Teyon:bounce:


let me know, because he needs stitching and rigging if so, if not point me at the points you dont like :thumbsup:

05-18-2004, 11:56 PM
Hey Jayreef. Hmmm...There's just two areas now that bite at me.

The Shoulder area, particualry, the lower area going into the body. That seems a bit odd down there. I don't know how it would look posed though, it may come out ok it may not. If you can find a way to make that transition seem a bit more natural, great or if you already know that it will look fine once posed as it is, then just ignore me. :)

The little circles in the neck area...I think the points back there could move up along the neck towards the head a bit to soften that transition also.

Otherwise, it's fine and ready to move on to the next phase.

05-19-2004, 12:04 AM
Just so you guys have some extra pose ideas for the giant/troll/orc/thingie, here are some really old sketches showing the transformation of the character over the last year and a half.


Tontonsuspect - I like what I see! Gladiator was an inspiration for my very first sketch of this character and the theme kind of carried through over the months and years I've been tweaking him. Axes, spears, swords, and knives are all on the way. Should be up in about an hour or so.

Oh, I think that once something is drawn up by the 2D artist for a certain character, it techinically can be used by the 3D artist regardless of if the Turn arounds contains it. So if you all see stuff in any of the sketches I post for the particular character you're working on that you'd like to incorporate into the model, I don't think anyone can deny you the right to do it. :)

05-19-2004, 03:25 AM
Got sidetracked witha personal project of mine. sorry. Here comes the fun....

05-19-2004, 03:42 AM
Hey teyon,

NIce stuff man. I like the weapon strapped to his back, it is cool. Also i was thinking of an axe like this, not this exaclty, but something along the lines of this kind of axe, big and beefy. http://www.coloradoweddingcompany.com/axe.jpg

Also I liek the pose youhave of him, also i was thinking of something along the lines maybe of Pascal Blanche's gladiator he made, it is all metal and stuff if you know what i mean. He is leaning back and gripping his war hammer and what not. I would post a pic but you cant get it online. Anyways, i will be back later with some updates hopefully, i have been realy busy. Talk to you soon. peace


05-19-2004, 03:48 AM

Glad you like the stuff so far. I haven't been to Pascal's site in awhile, so I can't really remember what all is there. I'll head over again to see. He's in my favs along with a few other folk. More weapons to come.

05-19-2004, 04:05 AM
Its like the very earily hours here with birds singing outside, and i had to get up to find pain killers

Teyon, will sort those areas for you:thumbsup:

Teyon & Katon & tontonsuspect, whilst thinking about poses, for the Orc dude, How about

leaning on a big double headed war hammer (you know only he would be strong enough to weild)

Whilst his leg closet to the hammer is crossed in front of his outside leg (I really dont care attitude)

Free hand 'campliy' placed on his waist

covered in an array of other ghastley looking weapons

big cheesy grin

With SHrek 2 on the verge of being released you get the comedy picture i am thinking about, reckon it would cause a storm when judging came along, and the winner will be the character that sticks in the mind of the judges:applause:

05-19-2004, 04:15 AM
More weapons.

Jayreef- Sounds like a fun idea to me.

05-19-2004, 04:29 AM
I kinda hate to bother you, but could you sketch out a back view, and maybe an image of the mage's staff?

Glad your back to watch over your little workers. :bounce:

Update in the morning.

05-19-2004, 07:18 AM
Teyon, that two blade weapon is sweeeeeet. Can my purple guy have it? :surprised hah. Ok, maybe that would be out of character for my guy, but that really is a cool weapon. I hope someone else grabs it!

05-19-2004, 07:30 AM
Teyon nice weapons. I am diggin the last drawing the one on the right, that ace is ool, so i might go with somehting liek that. Also here is a little pillar update, nothing to fancy but hey, here it is.



05-19-2004, 11:22 AM
Katon - I like the pillar. Nice stuff. Don't forget to break one.

Gang, after some searching, I discovered that the orthos only need to give you the extra info not provided by the inital concept and/or the posed image. If you have a look at our fearless leader's post for his entry, you'll see he only provided a front shot of the body and a side and front shot of the head. The rest he either said in posts or the folks working on the models extrapolated on their own. here's a quick LINK (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=135507&perpage=15&highlight=evolution&pagenumber=1) to clarify. So those of you done or almost done with your model, unless you really need the image to finish up your work with, I don't really see the need to draw up a back shot of anything else right now. So, let me hear what you think of this.

Turumdarak - Since you're making the model pre-posed, I will be making that back image for ya. I thought I'd already done that but hey...I could be wrong or simply forgot to post it....

05-19-2004, 12:12 PM
Some reminders about model reqs.:

Remeber that any part that doesn't intersect another will be created as a SEPERATE object by the machine. That means make sure things like belt straps, shoes, bags, etc. are all attached to, intersect or made from the rest of the model. Otherwise, we'll end up with one Mage and one mage's bag. Don't worry about gaps between the bag strap and the body, as long as the body intersects with the bag at some point, it will be fine. Same goes for sandals, hair, little dangling thingies, axes, maces, spikes. You get the idea.

I saw a Rook chess piece made where the inside of the piece was hollow except for a stairway that started from the floor of the Rook to the top. If you were tiny enough you could climb the stairs and come out on the top. It was also transparent, so such minor detail could be seen. Having said that, had the stair way not connected to at least one end of the Rook (top or bottom) the piece would have turned out as a Rook with a hollow center and then another piece in the shape of a stairway. You'd end up having to glue them together if that were possible and in such a situation, it wouldn't be.

Just have another look at this LINK (http://www.3darttopart.com/modeling%20info.php) to get a refresher course on what your requirements are as modelers. There are certain things that HAVE to be met or the whole thing is pointless.

If it's not a prob with the folks at 3DART TO PART, I'm just going to copy and paste a very important part of the page that may keep some of you from doing more work than you need too.

"4) Avoid things that stick out of your model such as long thin swords, fins or long thin spikes since these can become warped during the build process or broken when being removed from the machine. As long as the parts have enough thickness, they will build correctly.

All the items that are part of your model should be modeled so that they will have real thickness when the model is built by our equipment. Knife blades, belts, garments ALL items must be modeled to have a thickness. When we scale the model to the size that you request the parts must have a minimum thickness of about .07 inches (1.8mm)., about the thickness of a U.S. quarter. Shorter tapered projections like horns are OK. In general the smaller the model the less detail will show up. In this picture the larger model is 2 inches tall, the smallest size we would recommend for a model.

5) Small features or fine surface detail usually will not show up on the solid model, don’t expect things like modeled eyelashes or fingernails to be reproduced"

05-19-2004, 01:55 PM
yeah as far as i know, i have the orthos, dont need the back one, but I need the final posed image, is this right, i am getting confused:hmm:

05-19-2004, 02:52 PM

I started on a new face, which is why it looks so horrible. Just ignore the mouth region right now, I haven't worked on it very much.
Also the left sleeve is barely roughed out.

Teyon, just to be sure you may want to ask in the Evolution thread, HERE (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=134888) to be sure you don't HAVE to have the back view.

05-19-2004, 03:11 PM
Thanks teyon for the clarification on some of that stuff. I was thinking of making the axe in his hands rather thick, and make it looks heavy, Also if i put a weapon on his back, i will make sure it intersects some how so it is held on.

Abotu the leather straps around his waist. Should i just make straps that go around and buckle together in the front or side.

Also, I have been tryign ot think of how i can model the stuff on his skirt thing. Any ideas there, I am not sure exactly how I am going to do that yet. Anyways talk to you soon.


05-19-2004, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by Teyon
Gang, after some searching, I discovered that the orthos only need to give you the extra info not provided by the inital concept and/or the posed image.

OK. Thanks Teyon!

05-19-2004, 03:30 PM
Jayreef - Yes. That's right. :) Images coming. working on a few things. You all inspired me to try my hand at some of my own refs again, so the modeling bug has me in its thrall right now.

05-19-2004, 03:35 PM
Katon, have a look at the end of Kirt's post. someone came up with a method for modeling the quilts of the character's shirt. I'm thinking the same thing could work for the scales but you just pull down (and out) the lower points instead of leaving them square.

turumdarak - Paused my modeling (I really really didn't want too, lol) to finish up the back sketch. seems I had started one but hadn't yet finished it.

05-19-2004, 03:55 PM

Here ya go. A little rushed but it's done.

05-19-2004, 05:59 PM
Jayreef -
here's a really, REALLY rough idea of the mountain peak Lizard dude is sitting on.

05-19-2004, 06:30 PM
Alright here is an update. I was thinking somehting liek this but with him posed. But then i started thinking, this seems kind of big when the model is supposed to be the focus for this. Maybe we could figure something else out for him to stand on, just somehting smaller.

Also here is the axe, this is abotu the scale i was thinking for him and the orc, also with it this big, it will have a sturdy handle if printed. Anyways let me knoe what you all think.

Teyon, should we do a shiled for him, or keep him with out. Just a thought.


05-19-2004, 06:30 PM
awesome, thanks Teyon:thumbsup:

05-19-2004, 06:45 PM
No sweat. Katon. Hmm...I think he should be a bit bigger, you're right. The columns overshadow him but otherwise, it's sweet work. I still have that cave Idea for ya... I'll do some sketches really quick.

05-19-2004, 06:51 PM
Thanks Teyon, sorry to have dragged you away from modeling.;)

Katon: how about a large hammer with a short handle, something he could swing with one arm?
Also, the axe looks a little short, or a little long. Too short if it's two handed, too long if it's one handed.
Also, you could see about having the orc standing on the broken pillar, one foot with on the stump, and the other placed on the fallen segment.

05-19-2004, 06:53 PM
turumdarak thanks for the coments. I will have to make the axe a little longer I want it to be two handed, but I want it to be reely thick, so i mioght thicken the handle a bit. The idea abtou him standing on the pillar is a good one i think. what do you think teyon, it could be cool. Anyways guys, i have to go to work, i iwll be back later to work on his straps, I have some ideas coming that should look pretty cool. Talk to you all later. Peace


05-19-2004, 06:56 PM
OK guys i found this scale armor, i think this would be cool for the undergarmet around his waist. What do you guys think.



05-19-2004, 07:21 PM
Sounds good. Just be sure the scales are thick enough to be milled.

05-19-2004, 08:27 PM
The voice from on high (aka. Kirt) has confirmed my suspicions:

"Although it's important to show enough views to demonstrate all the important aspects of the character, I'm going to say that all views are not a requirement for the contest.

As long as you've supplied enough views for the modeller to complete the 3D without having to improvise a large portion of the character. You should be OK."

So, I think that means all models are a go. I just need to light a fire under my butt so you all can finish on time. But first, I have to get dressed for work. Be back in about 3-4 hours.

05-20-2004, 07:17 AM
OK I finaly have some decent updtes for you all. Anyways here it is. I modeled his leather straps around his body, along with a little rough of his other weapon, which is not done yet. Also his undergamret is just a test, it is not deformed corectly right now and I knwo this, but what do you guys think abtou the scales, good or not.

Teyon, I fixed his forearm, what do you think of it now. Also I changed the proportions of his lower leg, the shin area, I made it a little longer and made his upper thigh a little shorter, I think it is looking better, but please give me your input. Anyways here are the pics. Peace





05-20-2004, 07:47 AM
Just having a little fun, peace

HI RES (http://www.coloradoweddingcompany.com/orc/wallpaper3.jpg)


05-20-2004, 08:41 AM
I like his skirt. The belt buckles are a good change but the belts themselves are over done. There are either one too many on him or they need to be scaled down a bit. It looks messy right now. I like the little additions to them though, those diamond thingies...neat. His size is good. I'll be gettin' that pose to ya later today then.


On second thought, just lose the bottom most belt and I think it'll be fine.

Edit again:

The strap for the axe on his shoulder should hang more or fit more snug. It seems to high up to be that slack, so either moving the loose end down or tightening the whole thing up would fix that.

05-20-2004, 09:22 AM
I kind of like the belts that way. Skirt looks great, but may be troublesome to pose ;)

05-20-2004, 09:26 AM
looking really good katon, spmeone at work just looked over my shoulder, and said

"should not someone that pumped have veins visible"

i am not sure, as the original does not, but thought i would mention it:bowdown:

05-20-2004, 09:40 AM
I would imagine that depends on what they were doing at the time and the type of body builder we're talking about. While in a modern body builder pose, many more veins are more likely to turn up than just walking around on a day to day kind of deal. We'd want maybe one or two veins in the arms and that would probably be it. The idea behind the anatomy in the sketches isn't one of a guy who works out, so much as it is an idea of a muscular man. Think old fashioned muscle men and not the steroid body builder kind. :) So the look should be somewhat toned but not excessively so and not to the point where every vein would pop out.

05-20-2004, 10:16 AM
yeah thought so, but thought it was worth mentioning too, as it adds a little more detail to the proceedure of cutting out,

BTW read a good article in 3Dworld mag about the competition sponsors, and the max size they can create is 10inches by 8 inches, unless it is built from sep parts:thumbsup:

05-20-2004, 10:46 AM
I was wondering how big they were able to get. I am actually considering having some models made up. Not sure if I want to go with BNTStudios or 3DArtToPart. The toy company that took me on a tour of their prototyping facility had a few different machines to work with and I liked the SLA one the best for tiny details but it can be expensive, so that's why these two places seem pretty neat to me. Thanks for the input, Jayreef!

05-20-2004, 01:43 PM
you can also choose the medium it is made from when it comes to production, not for the competition, but in general.

the standard appears to be layers of powder that are compressed together then soaked in superglue:eek:

this is really cheap i reckon, at like $20-$40

but they say in the mag, "if you want it in metal, bring a fat wallet"

very tempting though, even if you dont win, but can also enter a similar comp in 3DWorld mag, but at that kinda price, you would wouldn't you after a months hard work


oohh yaeh, i almost forgot

I am a cinema 4d user, and i have to say, maxon have great aftersales servive, but there visual training stuff is non existant, and i have rigged in a few apps, but C4D is the the hardest/worst, and i am running round trying loads of stuff to get this project finished, now that mocca is such a dog

wish me luck, at the moment it seems like i might not succeed:hmm:

05-20-2004, 02:29 PM
@Katon: looks good, but I did just notice that his sandals stick out a little bit infront of his toes. You might want to shorten the sandals a little, not sure though.

EDIT: http://www.mithrilstudio.com/images/mage7.jpg

@Teyon, is there anything you think I should add to the stand?

@tontonsuspect: any updates?

05-20-2004, 04:48 PM
jayreef, have you tried bonderland ? It should make rigging at least a bit easier.....

05-20-2004, 04:52 PM
thanks azazel, no idea what it is, but will hunt it out now:wavey:

:edit update:

got it , installed it, give a whirl tonight, thanks again azazel:applause:

05-20-2004, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by azazel
I kind of like the belts that way. Skirt looks great, but may be troublesome to pose ;)
Thanks and I also agree, I was looking at this last night and thinking of how much a pain it is ging to be to pose. BUt hopefully It will work out. I was thinking of just ussing a lattice and deforming it all to where i want once it is posed or something liek that.

Teyon, I will try taking the lower buckle off and see how it looks. Also in the ortho drawings i was not sure what was around his waist so I just went with belts, so hopefully that is fine. I will aos try to fix the strap around his shoulder for the back weapon, I am thinking of giving it some slack, so he doesnt have to much tied to him tight. also in the orthos I noticed something around his right forearm, is there, it would be kind of cool to make a strap or somethign and put it around him.

turumdarak I purposely made his sandals a little langer, btumaybe they are a bit to long, i will look into that, thanks.

You know what i just thought of and might be kind of cool. If we gave him a tatoo, you know the ones that are branded on and swell out. We could do that and displace it and maya has displacement to polys so we could add that in the end once he is posed, it might be cool and would give him more of a story that way.

I will be back soon with a little turnaround i rendered last night. Talk to you guys soon. Peace


05-20-2004, 05:52 PM
Turntable. MOV (http://www.coloradoweddingcompany.com/orc/ORC.mov) around 2MB
OK there is a turntable of him. For some reason when I converted it to wmv it made it all dark. I dont knwo why, it orignaly wasnt that dark. Anyways there is a good idea of how he looks all the way around. Peace


05-20-2004, 06:07 PM
Katon, anychance you can turn this into any other type of movie, .mov, .avi, ect

i can not view wmv's:thumbsup:

05-20-2004, 06:19 PM
sure give me a but, i will be back with one.


05-20-2004, 06:35 PM
Turntable. MOV (http://www.coloradoweddingcompany.com/orc/ORC.mov)
Jayreef here is the new link. It is now a .mov. It looks better as well so i deleted the old one and reposted this one. It is about 2MB. Peace


05-20-2004, 08:08 PM
awesome job Katon:bowdown:

05-20-2004, 08:10 PM
turumdarak - The book should be wider...uhm bigger...whatever. he should sit more on the center. I have a symbol that can go on the center of it. Give me a few to post it. He should be able to stand on the symbol .

05-20-2004, 08:17 PM
Katon...I like the turntable thing. No, I mean the anim is great too but I think that turntable thing he's standing on would've made a cool base.

he wears a strap sometimes around his wrist and sometiems it's prayer beads. Depends on what I feel like drawing at the moment. I know it's strange to see an orc/troll/giant/thingie with religion but hey, stranger things can happen. Add it if you want.

It's not just the buckle that I thought should go, it's that whole bottom belt. In the drawing, there's a waist guard that has a shoulder strap and belts to help keep up his skirt and protect his midrift at the same time. It was basically just a piece of leather with a strap and some belts but everyone seems to like the idea you popped in with more...I do too kind of...just not that last belt. It makes the whole thing come too far down his body.

05-20-2004, 08:20 PM
OK cool teyon, i will drop the last belt and post some pics for ya to check out. The base i used for that turntable is just the top of one of those pillars. We could pose him on that if you like. I could make a more detialed pillar as well wich would be cool if printed. Tell me more abotu the prayer beads, what do they look like, i think it owuld be a cool addition. if you have any drawings of them let me know. I might do some searching online to find something. Talk to you later.


05-20-2004, 08:37 PM
turumdarak - sorry, gotta go to work now. The symbol will have to hold till I get back.

Katon - I like the idea more and more of him ontop of that pillar. More detail on it is fine if you want to add em but I'm just as happy with it as is. The prayer beads are just some beads tied together by a string and used for chanting/concetration while praying. I thought it'd be neat for him to do it before each battle. If you do put him on the pillar(s) I have a pose idea that may be neat. Again, late for work so it'll have to keep until I get back. ciao.

05-20-2004, 08:46 PM
One less belt now. IS it better?



05-20-2004, 10:20 PM
Thanks Teyon.
Here's a render of his back, still a lot of work to do on it.


05-21-2004, 12:40 AM
I'm back!

Katon, that's a big ten four. :) I like it.

Turumdarak, I'll find the symbol I spoke of and get it to you tonight or just try to redraw it. Funny...made the thing years ago, thought it was cool, always stumbled over it and now I can't find it.

05-21-2004, 05:08 AM
Teyon, I was thinking of modeling him some teeth and stuff, we could have him snarling or something cool like that. Also should i model a scar or anything like that into him. What do you think.


05-21-2004, 06:23 AM
I went ahead and modeled some teeth so we can show them if we like. nothin to fancy but i can make some more sharp or whatever if you like. But it will get the job done for him. Peace



05-21-2004, 09:38 AM
THe teeth are a good idea uhm...scar... nah. I think that'll get lost in translation. I had drawn up another pose idea but left it at work. I'll get it today. I'm going to have to redraw the symbol for the book it seems.

05-21-2004, 03:27 PM
Another small update.
Right now I'm mainly working on getting the mesh there in a general shape, then I'll tweak it to make it look right.
Is the book too big now Teyon?


05-21-2004, 04:40 PM
Now he has some built in teeth and horns. So in the pose if we want his teeth showing, no biggy there. Peace


05-21-2004, 04:42 PM
And now he has some straps to hold his weapon on his back.


05-21-2004, 04:54 PM
Hey Teyon,
Here's the base we talked about. I made the bricks smaller and closer spaced together. Initially, I tried making them a little rough, but I thought the smooth version looked better. What do you think?

It'll be a while until my next update b/c I'm off to study. See you next week!


05-21-2004, 04:54 PM
EDIT- for some reason the pic did not show up the first time i checked it weired. anyways the briks are cool, but i would try and close the space between them all a little more.


05-21-2004, 04:55 PM
Woah Katon. You're quick :) It's there now.

05-21-2004, 04:56 PM
I know i am a nerd, but i have trillian and it tells me when i get an email and form who, so i new someone replied to this post nd i already had it opened so i just refreshed. Peace


05-21-2004, 05:01 PM
hah. That was funny katon. hehehehe.

You think the bricks should be even closer together? I'll try that later and see how it goes. I was also thinking that I could push the bricks in a little more (not stick out so much). I'm trying to think what would look better. Thoughts?


05-21-2004, 05:05 PM
ok just check this pic out. See how little grout is inbetween. See what I mean. Yours are far apart. I agree about bringing them abck in a bit they do seem kind of far out.



05-21-2004, 05:10 PM
OK I am getting to the point of not know what to do now. I tweaked his wrist thing and other stuff like fixed the rest of his head and crap. So what now guys. What do you see that needs fixed. As far as his scale armor I am thinking i might add the final one once i pose him. Cause then i will just use a lattice to do it. Anyways let me know what you all think needs changed. Or maybe we could add something else. Peace


edit-ooops just realized, i need to finish his weapons. Be back later.


05-21-2004, 05:35 PM
Hey thanks for the ref. It's much appreciated. Also, I think your model is really great! I don't know how much more detail you could possibly add. Your guy is covered in stuff. Lookin' really nice there.

I worked on the base a bit and reworked the spacing and moved the bricks in a bit. Better? Or push it further?


05-21-2004, 05:38 PM
Dude looks great. Teh only other thing i wuold say, just get each brick the prortion you want, if that is it then good, if you want it for rectangular then lengthen them a bit. BUt other thn that i think you are set.

Thanks, I am glad you liek my guy, I am working on his wapons right now.


05-21-2004, 06:11 PM
Those are some awesome character sketches, Teyon. Glad to see you are still around and being busy :) Seeing you guys bring them to life in 3D is also amazing as well, especially seeing the proportions come out so accurately compared to the original sketches. Nice work all around :applause:

Now if I didn't completely suck with organics I might attempt to try one of those characters, but I'm afraid when things get curvy, I get hopeless ;)

05-21-2004, 06:18 PM
Here is just a closeup of the bag, and the staff head.


@katon: you may want to make a more noticable gap between his teeth, or make them a little less straight, I'm sure it's hard to find a dentist who would put braces on him.:p

05-21-2004, 06:21 PM
and the good news, i am back in business:thumbsup:

rigging sorted, and back too action, everything looking cool there guys:applause:

05-21-2004, 06:30 PM
hey guys, one last updatye before i am off to work. I worked on his weapon some. I also made it a bit longer, so he culd hold it with two hands easier.

Turumdarak- agree, i just put them there for now and will for sure go back and do some dine tuning of the teeth and make them a little more nasty, or maybe he naturaly has nice teeth :rolleyes: . Dude you bag and staff or looking cool man, keep it up. Well here is the update.



05-21-2004, 09:59 PM
Mechis, perfect!

Katon - Love the updates! Nice axe.

Jayreef, glad to hear things are up and going again.

Turumdarak, you got them dead on. Can't wait to see him all done.

TK! Old buddy old pal old chum! Nice to see ya in these parts! Thanks for the kudos! I have been a busy little bee of late. I hope you get some time to do some organic work with us!

05-22-2004, 12:43 AM
Hey guys,

I think i am going to have to call this guy done for now. I was just offered a possible job at a video game studio and i have to get to doing some sample work for them, so this next week i might not have time to finish. So if we could figure out the pose to put him in that would be great and i could try and get it done before this next week starts. I do want to enter this, so whatever poses you have teyon throw them my way. Thanks


05-22-2004, 01:05 AM
Congrats katon. I hope that you get the job (freelancing?)!!! Thanks for your input this whole time and your encouragement. I hope to see you around on the forum.

05-22-2004, 05:08 AM
Thanks Mechis,

I will for sure still be around, but starting next wek i am not sure how much time i can invest working on this. So i am hopgin to get some poses done here soon.

The job is actualy fulltime, he just wants to see how i fit with them and stuf first you know. Anyways I hope it goes well. Anyways guys keep all the good work up and i will be here still for sure. Peace


05-22-2004, 08:10 AM
all the best katon, had great fun with you, awesome work:applause:

05-22-2004, 04:09 PM
hey guys,

I re rendered my orc again not much has changed realy but his weapn and some cleanup on the mesh. but anyways here is a render of him. I just overwrote the old one s thoughs links should work as well. And yes i sitll have to fix the scale mail in the back. Peace


orc mov (http://www.coloradoweddingcompany.com/orc/ORC.mov)

05-22-2004, 05:17 PM
@katon: good luck on the job. They should hold contests more often, it seems that people get more work around the end of them.:p
The axe looks pretty good, just not sure about the straps where the hands go.

@Teyon: glad you like the staff and pouch. Should there be a clasp or some way to keep the flap on the pouch closed? And on the tunic/shirt, does it have ties or something else?

Here's another slight update, this one only took maybe two minutes.

05-22-2004, 10:34 PM
Turumdarak, coming along pretty nicely there

OK, here we go, the lizard boy is rigged, its kinda rough, but when the final pose is put into place, I reckon too pull a few areas into place.

I made up a pose whilst waiting for the design from Teyon:bowdown: , but he is kinda coming from an arch or cave at the moment, i know that Teyon likes his caves, lol..

The shiny skin surface is down the skinning and cross app movement of the file, but it kinda grows on you



05-22-2004, 10:35 PM


05-22-2004, 10:37 PM

let me know what you think people, and remeber, any thing out of place, will be corrected once posed by the old method, point pulling:applause:

05-22-2004, 10:53 PM
Jayreef nice stuff man, but i think oyu have some balance issues going on or somehting. to me it looks like you are ytrying to get him to look like he is atacking. Right now i think you need to pull his left leg further forward and his right further back, because right now since his right foot is forward it looks like he is falling forward. Good stuff, Keep it up.