View Full Version : Concept: Street Car, Spirit2029 (3D)
11 November 2003, 08:41 AM
Well folks..I think im basically done..maybey a few minor tweaks. Im renderin out a test sequence now..to make sure im happy with the final light rig and textures. So little info..this is done in xsi, all polygons with subdivision...and no final gather or global illumination..only old school lighting. Takes around 5 minutes a frame..but i;ve got close to 16 lights in the scene all with soft shadows..for a nice layerin and gradient look. These were run through photoshop quickly..only a sharpen more..and autocontrast..dosent need any more. The character is still a standin, till I finish my female character, wip soon for that too. Since the wip renders..I;ve finished up the textures and final shaders...also added inlays in the rims to tie it together better.. so now its onto finishing the competing car and animating the race sequence.
I've been staring at it too long to try and figure out why it dosent look photoreal..and I give up. So input would be appreciated..I might just say im happy with how it looks and call it that. I will be startin another wip thread for the second car really soon..and will get the race animation up on my site when its done. anyways coments please..
ps the ground texture is rough I know...look at the car!! not the ground.. =)
11 November 2003, 09:14 AM
11 November 2003, 09:25 AM
Yes, fantastic work! Frontpage stuff IMHO! :thumbsup:
11 November 2003, 09:35 AM
thanx guys..im hoping for front page..=).. havent been there since last year this time...
but then again..I havent had anythin done since this time last year...
11 November 2003, 10:48 AM
Nice to see you finally got it finished:thumbsup: Looks absolutely fantastic. I've been modelling a few cars with blueprints and that's hard enough - so I give you extra credit for the visualization and designing skills you obviously have been blessed with. Great work - you should consider a career as a car designer...
11 November 2003, 11:42 AM
u know peoples u just gave me an idea...im going to prestent this car design to a few manufactureres...who knows...
11 November 2003, 12:12 PM
Try it at Mazda. They'll insert a "stunning" 120PS engine and call it "the ultimate sports car" :p (you'll have to understand ..i hate mazda)
11 November 2003, 01:00 PM
This is a really good model. I've been working on a concept car using 3Ds Max and the Brazil Rendering engine. It took a long time to get it to look photo real and the reason was the car paint material. Car paint (in those classic show room an out door type shots) is very reflective, but doesn't have linear behaviour across curved surfaces. The way you do it in max is to set a falloff for the reflection level, so that the surface becomes much more reflective as it curves away from the viewer. There are some good tutorials on www.3dm-mc.com (http://www.3dm-mc.com) .
But photo realism aside, this rocks. Love the design, lov the detail.
Can't wait to see the next one!
11 November 2003, 01:26 PM
its not even funny how jealous i am of your texturing job,
on the model i got 2 small nitpicks, but could be personal preferance,
like, the intake at the front of the backwheel for the breakcooling, it doesnt really fit the design, and the rearlights look a bit dull, but thas just my opinion,
fantastic job nonetheless,...
11 November 2003, 01:33 PM
wow thats great, i love the design!!!
11 November 2003, 01:43 PM
Hey now I love my mazda.... no sports car but I still love it. anway like I said way back when in the WIP section, gj
11 November 2003, 02:23 PM
Amazing job, pro modeling and even moore pro texturing! The best tire textures I have ever seen:thumbsup:
Why this is not at the front page, have no idea!
11 November 2003, 02:32 PM
Looking very cool, maybe a little 360 rotation avi or something... but its got a fat ass, nice, but fat ;)
nice tyre textures,
11 November 2003, 03:01 PM
Very good job Spirit. It is an excellent model. I think that the texture on the tire looks a bit too worn, but I guess that's from all the racing? :) I like the overall design. The spare tire in the hatch is a nice touch too. I can't wait to see the competing car!
11 November 2003, 03:17 PM
that is a great design, it would look cool with a small air intake on the door, good work!!!!!!!!!!:applause:
11 November 2003, 03:19 PM
11 November 2003, 03:24 PM
great work! but the glass had to be more glossy.. it looks like transparent paper;-)
11 November 2003, 03:38 PM
Good work, great design and to improve your lighting a lil tip: try to chose a environment for bk and copy the colours to your lights, this way it will look more alive, and always put in your bk what are show in the car reflections or they will look to be painted on the car.;)
11 November 2003, 03:39 PM
Good work but i'll chance something...
11 November 2003, 03:42 PM
Some things you might think about in your quest for photorealism;
The paint seems to have a very low specular value for gloss paint. The highlights seem to be very broad.
It seems that you only have GI light(s) in the scene. Adding a target spot to enhance the specularity would help a lot.
Your shadows are very black and shadows seldom are.
Your paint material looks like it has a falloff attribute that shifts to near black as the falloff color. You might add some color to that value and keep the saturation pretty high on that color. Also try changing the falloff type to Fresnel or Perpendicular and see if that makes a difference. Right now it seems that the car is almost outlined in black where I'd expect to see highlights or reflections instead.
Nice tire textures, but the color value seems too grey (light) to me.
11 November 2003, 03:43 PM
beautifull work !! :applause:
what about a wire ?? :bowdown:
11 November 2003, 03:45 PM
It smiles when its behind you and it makes a sad face when its in front, just the type of attitude a car should have,
11 November 2003, 03:46 PM
nice work, only one crit, you used reflection maps with buildings in it, but looking at your scene , i don't think any buildings are near the car.
that off course, are just details.:)
11 November 2003, 04:01 PM
Played a little bit on Photoshop. I hope you don't mind.
I brightened the image considerably and added some brighter highlights to the car. I also increased the saturation of the taillights. They still look like they're under smoked covers, but help introduce some color to the image.
11 November 2003, 04:02 PM
im lovin it!!!:buttrock:
but...the lighting is really flat,there is no real spectacular to the paint,the hdr is really screwing up the paint on the car because theres no spec to qualify the lighting so all you see is the reflection aspects of the paint,i think in a more realistic enviroment this would be awesome,its awesome now but the enviro needs work to make the model look even better
many :buttrock:'s tho!!!
you read my mind,hehe,see now the spec is showing better in the tuned image that Dangeruss has posted,thats what i think is lacking in the orig. renders
11 November 2003, 04:08 PM
Really nice job!
The modeling is awesome!
Could the shots you showed us in wire? Or with the wire added on top of the shaded car?
That would be really cool!::thumbsup: :beer:
11 November 2003, 04:12 PM
great stuff, I like the design of the car. I like the sideview, it's a real forward leaning design. :thumbsup:
11 November 2003, 04:21 PM
I think the labels on the side of the car are too white. They look composited on, rather than part of the image. Try dropping the white value to a very light grey, so you can see some of the highlight detail in the badges.
11 November 2003, 04:44 PM
Not sure if I'm confused here, but Dangerruss and Wgreenlee, he said that he didn't use any GI, just old skool lighting with spots.
The GI, would probably be part of the the solution I'm guessing.
Excellent model though, and all done with sub-d and polys. interesting. Is this sort of stuff usally produced with nurbs and splines etc?
11 November 2003, 04:53 PM
I love that ground texture you got going ....... :D
11 November 2003, 04:58 PM
it rocks baby, can i have a look at the wire?
11 November 2003, 05:10 PM
WHoa .. looks great
11 November 2003, 05:55 PM
:eek: :eek: :eek:
11 November 2003, 06:09 PM
I like the car, the modelling is really good.
But I think that it needs some more specular highlights.
11 November 2003, 06:30 PM
I love that car. :drool:
You posted a side view which leads me to my next question. Could you post a top, front, and back. (Image Plains) :)
Most modeling tutorials suck because finding good Image plains is hard, and/or the cars are not very inspiring. Well yours just rocks! :buttrock:
11 November 2003, 06:48 PM
:drool: Gimmie The KeYS!!!
11 November 2003, 06:56 PM
Have to agree on the side logos, too white.
I think someone else mentioned this too but the glass for the headlights/tail lights looks a bit dull. Maybe a lighting issue (there's a pun here, but just ignore it and it'll go away), maybe a single spot that only affects these elements?
The tail pipes also seem a but dull?
Maybe edit in some light source images in the environment map?
Kind of agree on the buildings in the map except if the car is in a display window on a city street, but then you'd see the buildings reflected on only one side of the model.
Now that the 'been looking at this too long, somethings not quite right' critique is over...
My, that's beautiful work! You can almost hear the power!
If you could attach a microphone to an ant, what would it's life sound like?
11 November 2003, 07:12 PM
Looks great, love the design, i wanna see some wires.....please!great job!!:thumbsup:
11 November 2003, 07:37 PM
i do a lot of work with cars in 3d... especially for games. This one is definately a work of art!
to get it more photoreal i'd try n make it less sterile and "perfect". texturing is incredible, but what about a reflection/dirt map or something to make it look less like it's from neverland.
can't wait to see more :)
11 November 2003, 07:41 PM
Nice concept with great execution. Looks like a cool car. :D
11 November 2003, 08:29 PM
I think this is an exceptional effort! Nice design, well modeled. About the side decals, I don't agree that they are too white. I think the problem is that they are as reflective as the paint, and with the current reflection map, they look a bit splotchy, almost undersampled. My suggestion is to make them have blurred reflections, and turn down the reflectivity of the decals. If they were vinyl decals they wouldn't be nearly as reflective IMO as the paint(I could be wrong though) Anyway-- That's my take on the decals, if they were painted graphics, then they would be spot on:beer:
11 November 2003, 08:42 PM
very nice. if you'd like two small nitpicks, I think i would blur the reflection image, it looks nice on the hood part, but seems to be
distrubing the silver graphic on the side kinda looks like like a crumple procedural. This may just be the graphics look, but maybe what im saying (not sure)
also the tire look a little too grey, specially the back tire.
looks great though:buttrock:
11 November 2003, 09:02 PM
i want to drive this car. the tail lights look rx7ish. nice work
11 November 2003, 09:28 PM
Not just the tail lights, the whole thing looks RX-7'ish. Nice though.
11 November 2003, 09:38 PM
WOW...so many replies and its pluged!..thanx.
I just read through and agree with lighting problem..well more the shaders. I ll get a higher spec hit on the car..and use a more fitting reflection map. The decals are meant to be white..and they are painted on then clear coated over..so they basically match the paint. Ill De-Grey the tires a bit more too.. was wanting them to look a bit worn. Overall I think its just some fine tunning and then it'll look even better....
Thanks again everyone for the coments and suggestions..really appreciate it. Ill get a couple wireframes up later on today..as well as an updated render too. Cheers..
11 November 2003, 09:42 PM
Sweet car. What program did u model this car in.I love to draw cars on paper but i would like to model a car on the computer. I have Lightwave 7. If you could give me an idea on how to start modeling cars I would appreciate it greatly. You should definitely pursue car design as a career.
11 November 2003, 10:19 PM
Wow I am really impressed with the design of this car.
aside from the 3d modeling/rendering,
the car as a concept itself, is actually really really good!
one of the better concept cars i've seen actually!
I really like the head/tail lights, and the rear end in general looks very nice.
the front end looks great too, although the shape of the lights
is a bit too similar to the g35 coupe,
the side takes cues from the 350z new viper, and mustangs,
but yeah, very nice overall.
Also , I believe its just your reflections that are killing the realism,
you need to play with the shader, and change the reflection image.
its reflecting something that is totally different from its current surroundings, and you can tell!
but anyways, nice work, keep it up.
11 November 2003, 10:21 PM
Needs some Hdri lighting to get the nice specular background on the window reflections.....
But i think the reflections on the car paint in the first one, make it look like it was rendered with markers.... weird..
Overall, its a sick car.
11 November 2003, 10:22 PM
Try to use a hdri map for the reflections if it is not what you are using now.. I agree with one of the comments that it makes the side of the car looks crumpled. Try to light the car in from similar points of the hdri map.
The model is superb.
11 November 2003, 10:29 PM
Wow, this came out just completely incredible. Great job. It may not appear photo-real just yet because it's sitting by itself in a gray room. Once you get it in an environment it'll probably be fine.
I'd lose the hood pins though-the surfaces are so pretty why not leave them clean? And if it's a racecar it probably wouldn't have a rear defroster either, but that's just a nitpick. Great concept, beautiful car.:thumbsup:
11 November 2003, 10:31 PM
This is great work. Deserving of front page. Excellent design and rendering. :beer:
11 November 2003, 10:33 PM
amazing model, but i have one problem with this; the divisions between the pannels of the car dont seem to be triple edge chamfered or they need to be spaced out a little bit. this is one thing i notice a lot on car models and really adds a lot to the realism.
also i dont really like the tail lights, but thats just personal
11 November 2003, 10:51 PM
Yikes! great model man. my last concept is a lil insect compared to this one! :eek: why I had no ideas like this one?:applause:
11 November 2003, 11:02 PM
Very nice spirit :thumbsup:
It's funny... earlier today i was wonderin what happed to Ole spirit.
(Your early suggestions helped me tremendously a few months ago)
11 November 2003, 12:46 AM
sorry updates wont be till tomorrow...cause im going out to celebrate tonite..=) front page deserves a few beer..lol..new stuff tomorrow though..nite
blacklion..email me an update on that character.. Spirit2029@yahoo.com
11 November 2003, 01:10 AM
It's cool enough!!!
I like it!!!
post more of the car please !!!:beer:
11 November 2003, 01:13 AM
Just my thoughts...
Superb model a few flaws though... the hood pins are totally the wrong scale (if those are what those are the plates are like half an inch thick??? Also the panels meeting at the tail lights don't seem to be the same surface (not a continuous surface from one to the next like a crease but I don't think you intended that here?
Anyway some suggestion on your paint... if you can (don't know what program you are using) you need to have the reflection with a fallow modifier... paint doesn't "mirror" reflect its surroundings except at oblique angles (technically it does but the amount of light reflected is far less than the amount of light pouring off a blue like that... if it was a black then your reflections would be accurate but being an electric blue like that it would only reflect the environment noticeably at shallow angles...
And yes paint does fade to black at shallow angles also (at least metallic paint like that, flat color is different)
Its the clear coat that causes reflections and it is highly polished... at almost flat angles it is like looking at something in a mirror... perfect reflection with NO trace of what color the paint is... just reflection... this is true of ALL modern paints... unless your painting this thing with spray can flat black... but then it would be ugly... :)
Also I think the color of the tires material is to light (too gray and also has too many pits in the treats... I don't think that part of the pattern and they wouldn't photograph a car in this setting (like a studio) with worn tires unless it just came off a race then it wouldn't have perfectly shiny paint like that.
Just my thoughts... good luck and great job :)
11 November 2003, 01:18 AM
amazing! I like the color as well as the car shape.:thumbsup:
11 November 2003, 01:29 AM
Well there you go chris , a front page plug.
love the car....you actually finished some thing!!!!!
well I guess now I need to work a bit more.....seeing as I've never made the front page.
see yah Reo
11 November 2003, 01:51 AM
Oh my... :bounce:
This is the best 3d racer i've seen in a grat while my friend!
All the world congrats on that...!
The car surface is awesome, modern lines and extrem design for sure! All has been said before by others just show us some wires so we can learn from it a bit!
I just wish i could see this beauty in the new Need for Speed Underground game!
Awesome man... You rocked my 3d night! :beer:
11 November 2003, 02:16 AM
Very nice modelling, and congrats on getting it so real with old style lighting. :)
Sebast1an2 and several others had comments about the reflection in the paint, someone mentioned 'crumpled', others 'rendered with markers', 'procedural', 'undersampled'... it all comes back to the same error: since it's not HDRI, the reflection map is too low in contrast.
What happens in HDRI is that the spread from highlights to darks is increased x times compared to the normal 255 values we have to play with (which of course is more realistic).
We can fake this by bumping up the contrast on the reflection, in PS or whatever. In other words, the sky and any other lightsource (like a lamp or a reflection of the sky) has to be MUCH brighter than the buildings and trees. In fact you should almost only see 2 tones in such a city scene - white and black. Almost.
Also, as others have mentioned there should be a slight increase in reflectivity as the surface faces away from us.
11 November 2003, 03:06 AM
that is just....awesome...
the color scheme is great, along with the texturing. great design and modelling too. Did you get some ideas from the Mazda RX8? for some reason the back just seems to...familiar.
I some ways i agree with what people have said about the reflections, but for now, since its not in a specific environment, I'd say the way you did it is...well, interesting. in a good way. :D
11 November 2003, 03:07 AM
11 November 2003, 03:39 AM
ohh my god thats beautiful. after playing need for speed underground and then seing this I wish that car was part of the game it looks great. good job :thumbsup:
11 November 2003, 03:39 AM
very nice ... i am impressed by the quality
11 November 2003, 03:53 AM
holy....you got plugged to the front page with not-completed car??
wow!!! i'm jealous man.
then...what will be the next?
i cant wait to see your finished car. awesome!
btw. is this your own design? i'm just curious. if this is your own concept car i will become speechless.:bowdown:
11 November 2003, 04:20 AM
11 November 2003, 04:29 AM
ur work is rocks
congratulation on frontpage
11 November 2003, 05:52 AM
Very nice job. Love the paint.
11 November 2003, 06:20 AM
11 November 2003, 06:27 AM
Very nice work.. tho I'd say if someone took that much time to "rice" out a car.. the Spare tire wouldn't be there ;)
11 November 2003, 10:01 AM
Dood, respect is due, front page well deserved, excellant job.
But (you did ask for crits) I have spotted a couple of things I think you could improve. These are only visible from certain angles, at the apex of the curve on the windscreen, side and rear windows the sub-division could be increased to make it smoother:
just one of those little things which stops the eye thinking it's real.
Don't you just love it when you spend so much time producing something like this and it gets prodded and poked by the like of us. Seriously though mate I'm impressed, it's inspired me to get on with mine, which I've spent what seems like forever doing (will post when finished).
11 November 2003, 10:34 AM
Yep, this is also really AMAZING. When will this stop. When will people never see the difference between realism and computergraphics anymore? I wonder.
11 November 2003, 11:43 AM
amazing Work ,
Doblé Robota :beer:
11 November 2003, 11:58 AM
Nothing to nit-pick, this is just a top quality concept/modeling job IMHO. Fantastic design :thumbsup:
11 November 2003, 12:30 PM
wow soo many replies...Thank you all!
I will have updated renders up sometime today..as well as wires.
You have all given me a re-newed sense of will to work hard on my stuff...thanks I needed that motivation.
11 November 2003, 12:33 PM
really great work :)
11 November 2003, 10:43 PM
Very cool, love the shaders.
11 November 2003, 12:09 AM
Hey Chris? Remember me? I went to school with you. Nice car man! I never knew you were into this kind of stuff.
It looks really good.
I think it reminds me of my brothers 1992 celica all trac turbo. but a futuristic version.
oh..another thing I wanted to add is, slam the car to the ground a little more!
Unless its a rally car? :)
11 November 2003, 01:40 AM
Very nice, detailed work. The hood pins at the front need some work (or ARE they hood pins?), door handles are alittle sketchy, and lose the aluminum wing (sorry aluminum wings are ghey)..
i also think the fender needs some work.. but damn thats nice tho
Now My crit.. not to forgiving as his is...
ok 1st of the textures on the wheels look crappy you should either try modeling the wheels and figuring a better way of making the wheels.... I have a tutorial for wheels on my site but the site is going thru renovations now so it wont be up for a while...
I think the lighting was good and I agree with Lightyear on his comment... and maybe add the brakelights on and headlights also.. see how that looks...
anyway it is a good car that is why I am criting...
11 November 2003, 04:33 PM
Very nice i love the concept. You have mixed two of my favorite cars and made up one pretty well looking. ;) I love your materials and mapping. Very cool image man. Nicely done. :bounce:
11 November 2003, 08:43 PM
i think the tires are one reason it doesn't look photoreal. can't say exactly what it is, but the top picture, the tires look fake, might be the texture and/or the lighting. look at lots of photo reference to see exactly how that should look. might be the material, they look too light and kind of like little rubber tires on a model or something.
other than that it looks great.
also, if this car has been through a few races or even some testing, it will have plenty of little scratches, scrapes, even tiny dents from small stones/pebbles flying up on the track. mainly on the front.
once again, look at close-up photos of race cars.
11 November 2003, 09:58 PM
something that would make it look even cooler would be neon lights underneeth the car. that would make it look even hotter than it already is and its already pretty hot.
11 November 2003, 01:43 AM
When I first saw this, my eyes became big, very big !
Just awesome, magnificant, such a great model, so sporty
aaah so goooood :bowdown: :buttrock:
ps: I'm waiting for some wires too :D
11 November 2003, 06:21 AM
11 November 2003, 12:13 PM
Great design, excellent work. :thumbsup:
11 November 2003, 03:00 AM
Maybe this has been answered, but you said you didn't use GI or HDRI or anything, but why is there reflections of buildings, trees, etc in the car? Looks like they are reflections off an HDRI image to me since those objects are not visible in the scene.
If it's been answered, nevermind, didn't read 5 pages of posts.
11 November 2003, 06:48 AM
hey emmortal1 good eye..but its only a hdri reflection map..its not casting any light rays. I used it only cause its nice and clear for to show the reflections..but it is getting changed..as well a few other things.
Okay folks sorry for the delay..update very soon..I re-worked the shaders...and used most of your idea's..cheers!
11 November 2003, 03:23 AM
Ahh I see now :) The modeling and conceptual appeal of the car is very good. The curves of the lines flow very nicely with the car, not like many of the "concept" cars I see lately. I can tell a lot of thought and design process was put into this before hand, it shows. You can always tell when someone does not use preproduction and when someone does. Good work and keep it up, take care.
11 November 2003, 04:01 AM
This is one of the best car 3d model i've ever seen, i really appreciate the design, it looks great for me thumbs up for u
11 November 2003, 09:40 PM
I've been staring at this thread for three days non-stop. Where's the update? :eek:
11 November 2003, 10:25 PM
sorry for the delay on the update...been busy..I will have something up tonite...prolly start a wip thread for the race between the 2 cars...but ill link it from here too..
11 November 2003, 07:15 AM
okay started a new wip thread...so you can all see the progress of the street race project as it goes.. http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=987393#post987393
theres also some updates on this car in there...cheers
11 November 2003, 07:56 AM
12 December 2003, 12:55 AM
coll cool coooooooooollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll rely cool :)
12 December 2003, 01:38 AM
thanx guys..I will be updating the wip thread from here out..so leave your coments there...thanx again
12 December 2003, 07:04 AM
That's freakin' beautiful. Looks like a compilation of a 3rd gen Rx-7, MKIV Supra, G35, and maybe a little bit of the Peugout 206 (however ya spell that). Not sure why it doesn't look photo realistic, but who cares, it's awesome!!! :beer: :bowdown: :drool:
01 January 2004, 06:42 PM
!!!Chris you slacker!!!
...get the second car done all ready!
and post those wires, you know any more slacking on your part will result in your losing your XSI Demi God status.
I do like the first car a whole lot and I noticed the cage was a bit low rez around the windows too.
lets see the car in black. and make me a desktop damn it!
alright im out ..........later ................Reo
01 January 2004, 02:36 AM
WICKED!:applause: :bowdown: :thumbsup: :bounce:
10 October 2004, 12:19 PM
what did you use to design that car ?
what program ?
can you let me know ?
thanks mate !
looks sweet :thumbsup:
10 October 2004, 11:29 AM
what did you use to design that car ?
what program ?
can you let me know ?
thanks mate !
looks sweet :thumbsup:*sigh* I quote from his first post...
"So little info..this is done in xsi, all polygons with subdivision...and no final gather or global illumination..only old school lighting."
perchance, read his posts before asking questions? :wise:
11 November 2004, 12:41 PM
[QUOTE=dell]that is a great design, it would look cool with a small air intake on the door, good work!:applause. I,ve just joined cgtalk en your car has been tha first master piece i've seen.i agree with this fella en five thumbs up.i'll be seeking tips from you.keep on keepin' on.
02 February 2005, 12:12 AM
Superb design, looks amazing! Maybe if u made the texture a little more reflective it would look sleeker?
Just a thought........
Flawless though, very jealous!
03 March 2005, 06:24 PM
Nice design the color is good to great job almost looks real.
06 June 2005, 06:11 AM
hoping to see an update soon ;)
07 July 2005, 02:58 PM
One hell of a car! Really looks cool!
07 July 2005, 02:58 PM
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