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11 November 2003, 06:28 PM (

Title: Vanitas Scene, Zeroneuro (3D)
Software: Digital Fusion, Maya, Photoshop, Renderman, Wings3D

All shadows are mapped, no GI, no raytracing, no occlusion.
Cheers (and I hope you like it.)

11 November 2003, 06:41 PM
Good work, I liked your style :thumbsup:

11 November 2003, 06:46 PM
Really nice....only thing that stuck out to me was that the skull kinda looks like it's floating...Good job:)

11 November 2003, 06:46 PM
Thank you for bucking the GI trend ;)
The fruit in the back seem to be getting a bit to much light nonetheless the scene rawks.

11 November 2003, 06:49 PM
ey good work man, congrats with the plug :thumbsup: Very good job on the books.

what's wrong with GI? :hmm: is it too easy?

11 November 2003, 06:51 PM
looks good!
i think mapping shadows is a matter of speed, isnīt it?

11 November 2003, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by Garma
ey good work man, congrats with the plug :thumbsup: Very good job on the books.

what's wrong with GI? :hmm: is it too easy?

It would probably take substantially longer to render, which is critical in a production environment (this is for a demo reel after all).

Anyhow, great job on this image. It really shows that you put a lot of work into it. Best of luck on finding a job.

Agent 47
11 November 2003, 07:12 PM
This is probably going to sound dumb, but what it GI?


11 November 2003, 07:17 PM
it's not a dumb question, GI=global illumination

Nice work btw :)

11 November 2003, 07:26 PM
DAmn Nice job then...KODOS

11 November 2003, 07:27 PM
I think its great. I would remove the green robot eye things in the skull. They don't fit the aesthetic of the rest of scene.

11 November 2003, 07:29 PM
Really nice work! What program did you use?

11 November 2003, 07:30 PM
Actually I like the green color, because there is a sort of pattern going on. I see two other green objects and they all kind of line up. But I would remove the "techieness" of the things housing the green eye things. They look very mechanical and almost "quakeish". Its not a huge thing but it does make the skull eyes stand out and begs the question why the voodoo skull has terminator eyes.

11 November 2003, 07:30 PM
Truly awesome.

I really like the mapping of the tomes, it looks so convincing.

11 November 2003, 07:39 PM
I like it, very cool image.

I'd remove the skull eyes though they really don't fit in the picture. They look almost robotic or something compared to the primitiveness of the rest of the picture and they really stick out.

11 November 2003, 07:53 PM
awesome image!
i absolutely love the colours and how well they compliment and blend together.

one thing stands out to me though, the cards and the parchment are very very flat, they have no little dog ears (curved corners), at all.

great job, again, i really love the textures.


11 November 2003, 07:54 PM
your textures are outstanding. the lighting works, although i think your shadows need some work. if you look closely at the dice, the sides facing away from the light source are really dark, however, the shadows they are casting are hardly visible. this can be seen on the chains as well. it also appears that the skull is not casting a shadow on the bridge of the book it is sitting on.

the cards appear like they have little/no depth.

but overall, very nice.

GI is okay for still images. not so good for animations... unless you have your own personal rendering farm with computers from the future.

11 November 2003, 08:08 PM
I love that globe. Sweet work. But why are they dice?

11 November 2003, 08:20 PM
Nice work! I like the grain filter. Lighting is top notch.

BTW, Ambient Occlusion and GI are the same thing.

Also, adding a few more specular surfaces like on the fruit and other surfaces would add even more of a finished touch to the image.

Agent 47
11 November 2003, 08:49 PM
Chong: Right on. Thanks. Now I can sound like a cool kid.:beer:

[cool kid mode]

Yeah I have to say that the lack of occlusion/GI and raytracing, not to mention the inexplicable absence of radiosity, really makes this piece that much more amazing!

[/cool kid mode]

How was that? :cool:


11 November 2003, 08:50 PM
cool cool!!
i like the contrast against bookshelf.
it really draws my attention to the skull;)
it would have been way nicer if fruits back there get more
just touch of spec though....
overall~~ this is freaking awesome!!!

ji revolutionsĒâ

11 November 2003, 08:51 PM
Awesome! I love the textures, could you post a wire?
Also the books in the top right have a symbol on them that looks like D'ni (from the myst games) writing, Is that your own symbol, or did use use a d'ni character?

11 November 2003, 09:04 PM
great work

11 November 2003, 09:30 PM
Stejahen: Guilty as charged on the D'ni font. I was playtesting Uru and couldnt resist...

Here is a wire although I doubt you can see anything from it. There isnt a hidden line removal in Maya.

11 November 2003, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by Array
It would probably take substantially longer to render, which is critical in a production environment (this is for a demo reel after all).

I experienced that myself today :thumbsdow. I watched LotR 1 while tweaking the GI settings. When I was satisfied and tried to render at a higher res, maya decided to crash due to memory problems :cry:

11 November 2003, 10:09 PM
Words like "Richly textured" come to mind. Nice job.

Does the fortune told in the Tarrot cards have any meaning, or is it just a random collection?

11 November 2003, 10:31 PM
Nice render....
But I miss different values in specular, or glossiness properties in such amount of different materials. For example.... reflection on metals (chains...)

Agent D
11 November 2003, 10:44 PM
Hey, congratulations on the front page plug! Great scene, I like how you've included Spooky in there... :applause:

11 November 2003, 11:04 PM
Its good to see this finished zero, if it really is finished ;)

looks great though.. old skool lighting is fun :thumbsup:

11 November 2003, 11:16 PM
Originally posted by Boyd Lake

BTW, Ambient Occlusion and GI are the same thing.

Bah....dont want to get into a whole semantics debate they arent. Ambient occlusion is a specific algorithm, GI describes a group of physically based algorithms. Ambient occlusion is not physically based, therefore it is not a GI algorithm, nor is it the same thing as GI.

You can read a whole article about it here:

11 November 2003, 11:37 PM
SPOOKY!!!!!! haha very nice. Love the mechanic skull thingy. Nice work.

11 November 2003, 12:02 AM
I love it. :thumbsup:

11 November 2003, 12:05 AM
Hmm I like the modelling, and the textures are nicely painted but overall I think the scene looks a little too busy and also it looks very oversaturated to me...

I'm not sure if you were trying to go for a very painterly look, but somehow something just doesn't look right... I think that perhaps it really comes down to the abundance of rich tones and oversaturation that just kinda bothers me.

11 November 2003, 12:53 AM
Very nice, I love the little hairy doll-skull, the books, the big skull and those creepy mechanical eyes... but as Boyd pointed out I think there should be more variety in the the specularity. Now it looks like most of it is Blinn with medium values, try Phong E on the fruit for instance (with the top spec param over 1, the second to around 0.2 - 0.3).

Also, what Leigh said - I think what she's seeing is the fact that all your highlights are too yellow, which happens when you have warm colors in the color channels, and especially when you light it with warm light. I think you should put some blue in all or most of the spec channels. (At least the fruit and the skull and anything paper and leather, metal things no.)
This might help:

11 November 2003, 02:31 AM
The SKULL! Finally nailed that bugger onto a scene! Now you have a new piece to tag along with your pirate table top (which you posted like 16 month ago?).

Anyway splendid work. Other than the saturated thing that ms leigh mentioned, it is the red signs on the big skull. Somehow it looks to be bleeding overly on the skull. I think it would be nice if it was somewhat less watercolourish and more painted sharpness. I know for a fact it cant be blood because it is still red and we all know blood turns brownish when dried.

Now i have two table top skull imagesfrom you. Will there be a part 3? To complete the cycle?

11 November 2003, 04:00 AM
I really like your attention to detail- the texturing is amazing and I feel the composition works really well in regards to the amount of objects within the scene- great work!!:)

11 November 2003, 09:57 AM
I like the scene the colors seem saturated to me but that doesnt bother me at all. What gave you the idea to model such an interesting scene?

11 November 2003, 10:25 AM
how long did it take for you to do that dogg? top job! :thumbsup:

11 November 2003, 10:52 AM
really great work :)

11 November 2003, 11:11 AM
To me it looks like those chains would be floating.

But those green eyes really fit into it in my opinion. :)

11 November 2003, 11:17 AM
love it!

made me think of the studio of my friend... a VERY deep D&D player. heheh

love the chains!

11 November 2003, 11:26 AM
like that picture... nice lighting... nice staging... perfect ;)

keep on working


11 November 2003, 01:09 PM
Very nice job indeed, it has a treasure island feel to it.


11 November 2003, 01:53 PM
The doll-skull wouldn't happen to be Spooky, the thing what sqweeks... if it is than kudos for adding a pinch of Johnan V.

11 November 2003, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by CONNAN
The doll-skull wouldn't happen to be Spooky, the thing what sqweeks... if it is than kudos for adding a pinch of Johnan V.

Heheh yes it is indeed. :) Since this was a personal project for my reel and portfolio I decided to have some fun with things.

11 November 2003, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by ZeroNeuro
[B]This is a scene I did for my demo reel. I really would like to do more to it, but I have to move on so I can finish it up. I'll post the breakdown soon.

All shadows are mapped, no GI, no raytracing, no occlusion.

Cheers (and I hope you like it.)

Great work! I love to play around with advanced GI renders and the like. But when it comes to rolling out a presentation the long render times for GI, etc, make using it for my daily real world renders impractical. Forreal.

11 November 2003, 06:58 PM
So much detail, niiice.
Love the high contrast to (unless it's my computer screen).

I prefer old fashion lighting, not only because of the increase render speed, mostly because I feel that I'm more in control.

11 November 2003, 09:25 PM
I'm enjoying the detail in this scene, even if it does look a bit busy. Great job!

btw, your wires can look more understandable if you turn on Backface Culling. You mentioned in an earlier post that maya doesn't hide hidden lines -- thats not correct. Either set your general preferences with backface culling on as a default preference, or set it for each surface (you may have to do this if you started your scene with it off in the general preferences) under the Shape Node in the Mesh Component Display rollout. You can set Backface Culling to Full there


11 November 2003, 07:20 PM
Looks good,the set up and all,I like the layout.But it seems way too saturated.Still overall pretty nice,interesting piece.:beer:

11 November 2003, 04:28 AM
cool! i like it :thumbsup:

i really like the texturing

keep the good work going!

11 November 2003, 12:39 PM
Very cool work. Well done. :D

12 December 2003, 05:15 PM
:applause: great job man

12 December 2003, 03:06 AM
Great Work!!! I like the "Treasure Planet" kinda style :thumbsup:

12 December 2003, 11:46 PM
Great job, I love the look of all the models and textures, however reworking the lighting on this particular image would make a world of difference.

Some contrast lighting, maybe some dark low saturation blue with some orange fire-type lighting(like candlelight), subtle rim lighting. I just get the feeling that some of the objects are floating and it would be nice to get them attached to the objects their in contact with, and feel more of a mood.

Anyhow, that's just some comments to think about. Other than that lighting stuff, I love it, keep it up.

12 December 2003, 03:37 AM
WOW very nice work I love it

12 December 2003, 05:49 AM
i like the attention to detail you put into your scene.:bounce:

12 December 2003, 09:22 AM

01 January 2004, 01:46 AM
mapped shadows.. I wonder if that's why it looks so 2d... hmm. the background fruit especially look flat. I would have also liked to see more vibrant colors,e verything looks rather washed out.

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