Madonna wishes to make animated film

[Neil]

Well i guess this is considered news.
I would just prefer the media not care about everything she does, and certainly areas where she has no skill or talent in.

[lone]

i'll second that - honest to God, can't she just go away?

[GRMac13]

Can't wait to hear her voice-acting. Maybe she'll learn how to do a proper British accent, rather than that drivel she's been trying to pass off in public. Does she really think she's fooling anyone with that ridiculous faux accent she's been using?

[Tychoides]

i know her british accent really sounds fake, but if you ever lived for more than a year in any country, you will quickly pick up the accent, or a weird bastard version of it.

I spent a year an half in the US and now i just can t get rid of some specific intonations i didn t have in english. bleh !

[Eldar]

I think she's faking it for image purposes.

Speaking as a bilingual person, I personally doubt you will lose an accent you had for 40+ years in such a short time period, unless you really wanted to. People tend to go the line of least resistance, and changing the way you pronounce something takes effort. It gets much harder at older age than it is for kids. I have a nephew who is truely bilingual and at age of 5 speaks both languages perfectly. My mother on the other side still struggles with a non native tongue, even though she has been exposed to it for nearly 10 years.

Also, take a look at number of famous brittish musicians that spent a lot of their career in the US and have sold most of their records there, such as Mick Jagger, Eric Clapton, Elton John, Robert Plant (Led Zeppelin), Jay Kay (Jamiroquai) and etc. They sing with strong american accent (on purpose), but when interviewed they talk perfect brittish. And then then you have guys like the Beatles who didn't feel the need to sing differently.

So basicaly, I think regular mortals will speak however is easiest for them, unless they specifically want to change so they can blend in better. For popular culture icons, it's all in how they want their image to come across.

[NUKE-CG]

Tell you what..
I'll model, animate, texture, and render her film, if in return she jumps off a bridge. :beer:

[Chewey]

Yeppers, this old biddy is/was the biggest nuthin burger of the last century. Now she's trying to ride the new wave by couplin up with other no talents like Britney "Look I'm kissing stoopid" Spears.

Can't wait for her kid(s) to grow up and release their version of "mommy queerist" on the old bag.

:applause:

[Tychoides]

well eldar, the whole bastard accent thing happened to me, so i don t see why it wouldn t happen to someone else, you know, the whole "can t set definite rules for humans". :shrug:
but hey, madonna's accent is a gimmick, i don t necessarily see it as something annoying because it sounds like fake british.. hell, what is a british accent, just spend a day in london and you ll hear a cacophony of accents.

[AnimBot]

Eldar I think that's completely false. It does not take any effort to change the way you speak. I think the opposite is true it takes effort to stay the same. My family is from the carribean and moved to the states a long time ago. Every time we've gone there for vacation by the time we came back to the states my sister and I would have slight accents. I was raised in NY and had a very thick NY accent. I moved away for 4 yrs and almost completely lost it. I live here now and I slip in and out of some wierd bastardized NY accent. Some people are easily influenced by those speaking around them.

[halo]

madonna + anything other than music = shite

[Eldar]

Originally posted by Tychoides
well eldar, the whole bastard accent thing happened to me, so i don t see why it wouldn t happen to someone else, you know, the whole "can t set definite rules for humans".
but hey, madonna's accent is a gimmick, i don t necessarily see it as something annoying because it sounds like fake british.. hell, what is a british accent, just spend a day in london and you ll hear a cacophony of accents.

You are right. There is no formula to human behaviour, and any perceived generalization was not intentional. Was just speaking from personal experience.

Originally posted by AnimBot
Eldar I think that's completely false. It does not take any effort to change the way you speak. I think the opposite is true it takes effort to stay the same. My family is from the carribean and moved to the states a long time ago. Every time we've gone there for vacation by the time we came back to the states my sister and I would have slight accents. I was raised in NY and had a very thick NY accent. I moved away for 4 yrs and almost completely lost it. I live here now and I slip in and out of some wierd bastardized NY accent. Some people are easily influenced by those speaking around them.


I am not arguing that people don't get influenced by their surroundings. My point is that I think it's usually intentional at some level. Some people want to blend in (or not stand out), some want to improve their communication skills with locals. People who don't want to change their accents, or just don't care, don't have to. Take a look at examples of known singers I listed. Last time I heard Elton John speak I didn't notice a trace of Americanization, even though he has been living in the states for decades. He could probably speak like a native, but choses not to. Mike Myers can speak half way decent Brittish accent (although UK people might disagree), but outside Austin Powers movies he doesn't. With Madonna, it seems like a style gimick to me. But then again, who knows. This is pure speculation, and doesn't have much to do with CG. :)

[JohnD]

Please Please no. Any type of film media that this woman touches turns to garbage. Let's keep our animated movies garbage free:p

[Lunatique]

Originally posted by halo
madonna + anything other than music = shite

She's nothing but a media-manipulator.

Madonna is one of the most overrated media phenomenons in history. She is not a musician, she is not a good singers, she can't act, and she's got the personality of a spoiled brat. Yet somehow, she became a mega super star. This just goes to show you how blind the media and the public is.

[Per-Anders]

Originally posted by Lunatique
and she's got the personality of a spoiled brat.

ah... well you seem to have hit on the old nub of the matter there... the ...shall we say secret to her success:D

[halo]

and she's got the personality of a spoiled brat

like thats uncommon in stars today....;)

[slaughters]

Originally posted by Eldar
I am not arguing that people don't get influenced by their surroundings. My point is that I think it's usually intentional at some level. Some people want to blend in (or not stand out), some want to improve their communication skills with locals. Nope. I worked for half a year around nothing but Irish tourists in America and I had to intentionally *not* speak with an Irish accent. It was hard to surpress the lilt in my voice, but I did not want them to think I was making fun of the way they spoke.

Some accents are just too easy to pick up. I find English, Irish, Australian, and Carribean accents just fall trippingly off my tounge whenever I'm around people who speak with them. Strangley enough this never happens to me with French, Spanish, or German accents.

As for the Madonna thing. Well, I know it is popular to bash her all the time. I personally disagree with her politics, and like all stars she does try to manipulate her media image, but she does have talent and she does sing well.

[Neil]

Originally posted by slaughters

As for the Madonna thing. Well, I know it is popular to bash her all the time. I personally disagree with her politics, and like all stars she does try to manipulate her media image, but she does have talent and she does sing well.

I'm really getting tired of hearing this "it's popular" statement on CGtalk. It comes up whenever anyone talks about M$, movies, and now MADONNNA?!

How it's it 'popular' to dislike Madonna. I'm sorry, but i don't 'diss' her because she's popular..... she's got plenty of other reasons to dislike her.

*Add to the list, this discussion right here... that anyone would need to give reason for NOT like Maddona. What is she some role model?

[slaughters]

Originally posted by Neil
*Add to the list, this discussion right here... that anyone would need to give reason for NOT like Maddona. What is she some role model? Nope. She is definitly not a role model. No more than a Mick Jagger, Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain, or any of the other nihlistic, self indulging, drug using, women abusing crop of rock stars which Europe and America have produced in abundance in the last half century. (spoiled children with money)

My point was that if you are to bash singers, then there is no particular reason to single out just Madonna. Madonna can sing. Lots of people like her singing. If not, then she would be dirt poor and working as a door greeter at wal-mart right now.

[JohnD]

Originally posted by slaughters
Nope. She is definitly not a role model. No more than a Mick Jagger, Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain, or any of the other nihlistic, self indulging, drug using, women abusing crop of rock stars which Europe and America have produced in abundance in the last half century. (spoiled children with money)

My point was that if you are to bash singers, then there is no particular reason to single out just Madonna. Madonna can sing. Lots of people like her singing. If not, then she would be dirt poor and working as a door greeter at wal-mart right now.

Well, I don't think Madonna is singled out. I mean, this is a Madonna thread...right? If you want to go ahead and make seperate threads for Cobain, Jagger, Hendrix, Morrison etc. that would be alot of threads. I think it's pretty safe to say that there are a good number of musicians, both living and dead, that were talented, but definitely not role models.

[Neil]

Originally posted by JohnD
Well, I don't think Madonna is singled out. I mean, this is a Madonna thread...right? If you want to go ahead and make seperate threads for Cobain, Jagger, Hendrix, Morrison etc. that would be alot of threads.

No, i don't think they're any better either. BUT, I don't have to see them on MSNBC, CNN, and every other form of media on a daily basis. Mick knows he's a signer and that's it, Hendrix played guitar that's it.... they don't try to delve into EVERYTHING and act like they're good at it.

Because this is a CG forum, i'd like to keep it on topic and reference just her desire to get into animation now...
didn't she learn from Swept Away?

[BoydLake]

Madonna? I can't think of a worse voice talent for animation. She can't even convince me she has emotion in her music let alone her speaking voice.

[slaughters]

Here is a link to her Childrens book that they must be talking about:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/showbiz/3103160.stm

[Neil]

Originally posted by Boyd Lake
Madonna? I can't think of a worse voice talent for animation. She can't even convince me she has emotion in her music let alone her speaking voice.

Her voice WITH or WITHOUT the vocoder? :D

[Slurry]

I didn't read anywhere in that article where Madonna wanted to sing, score or act in an animated film.
There was a reference to her turning her children's book into an animated film. I would think that her role would be executive producer and probably in some areas, creative consultant.

If she wants to fund a project that would give us jobs...why are we complaining?
I'm all for it.

~S

[TheGreenGiant]

Originally posted by Slurry
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If she wants to fund a project that would give us jobs...why are we complaining?
I'm all for it.

~S

Hell yeah. I agree.. I was actually going to post earlier saying "I'll be more than happy to work on it".. Cgtalkers should all know by now that an animated film is all about the animator team.. her backing and influence will count that much (in a semi-good way I guess), but at the end of the day, its the 3D team that gets it together and does the keyframing. She CAN'T possibly voice all the characters. Plot the story.. maybe.

Why you guys slagging the material girl?

[tOd]

Originally posted by Chewey
Yeppers, this old biddy is/was the biggest nuthin burger of the last century. Now she's trying to ride the new wave by couplin up with other no talents like Britney "Look I'm kissing stoopid" Spears.

Can't wait for her kid(s) to grow up and release their version of "mommy queerist" on the old bag.

:applause:

LOL thanks for the laugh :applause:

[BoydLake]

Originally posted by Slurry
I didn't read anywhere in that article where Madonna wanted to sing, score or act in an animated film.
There was a reference to her turning her children's book into an animated film. I would think that her role would be executive producer and probably in some areas, creative consultant.

If she wants to fund a project that would give us jobs...why are we complaining?
I'm all for it.

~S

Believe it or not, there are projects that will do you no good to be a part of as animators, since rank and file animators rarely have any control over creative decisions. Madonna's foray into producing animated films would IMO fall into that category, since production quality has never been a signature of her past projects in music, film, or otherwise.

[BoydLake]

Originally posted by TheGreenGiant
... Cgtalkers should all know by now that an animated film is all about the animator team.. her backing and influence will count that much (in a semi-good way I guess), but at the end of the day, its the 3D team that gets it together and does the keyframing...


Tell that to the top notch CG team that worked on Final Fantasy: TSW.

All the animation talent in the world can't overcome directors and producers (which Madonna would no doubt be on her own project) who lack creative vision and storytelling ability.

[TheGreenGiant]

Originally posted by Boyd Lake
Tell that to the top notch CG team that worked on Final Fantasy: TSW.

All the animation talent in the world can't overcome directors and producers (which Madonna would no doubt be on her own project) who lack creative vision and storytelling ability.

I disagree. by turning their back on the fantasy from the FF series, the Hironobu Sakaguchi betrayed his fans and hence the floppy ticket sales. If FFSW had moggles, stack of magic and the ultima spell, it wouldn't have bombed. You can't stop word of mouth from getting out about a hohum sci-fi feature, with or without real humans. FFSW is a technically amazing piece of work, still is.

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