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DreadStunLock
06-12-2011, 01:13 PM
Hi guys, ever since I started to really really like digital painting I always want to go to a design school that does exactly "it"

A while ago I discovered FZD school of Design, while it's an amazing school, 40,000 SGD for a 1 year course is just waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, out of my hands of reach as a 16 year old student who has a job that even pays 6 an hour.

Are there any similair schools to it?

Maybe somewhere in UK? Or anywhere to be honest?

I just want a course, that will teach me a lot of things like in FZD (perspective, sketching, photoshop, how to develop things)

those type of things which I can use to do commision work or even higher and go to work for a company for experience.

The thing I don't want to do is to draw something and I have to do a stupid essay on it, because to me, everything has to be on a paper, the client needs to look at it and like it and I don't have to give him additional 50 pages just to read what the hell it is.

Also it would be nice to have a course that does stuff mostly on a tablet with a computer on photoshop or something.

Cheers.

jesse92
06-13-2011, 05:41 AM
FZD is a pretty unique school dude, but sure there must be something similar, there is the Gnomon Entertainment Design course in Ca. for instance, which teaches kinda sorta the same as FZD, there another badass school in Pasadena... crap i dont remember its name but its damn good. Good luck with your search.

DreadStunLock
06-13-2011, 07:32 AM
FZD is a pretty unique school dude, but sure there must be something similar, there is the Gnomon Entertainment Design course in Ca. for instance, which teaches kinda sorta the same as FZD, there another badass school in Pasadena... crap i dont remember its name but its damn good. Good luck with your search.

THERE IS A DESIGN SCHOOL IN CALIFORNIA?! ****ING RIGHT LOVE! Cheers for that bro!

jesse92
06-13-2011, 09:00 AM
The art Center College of Design is the school i was trying to remember... thats a badass design school from which you could get pretty similar stuff from what you could get out of FZD, i would choose FDZ any day though.

DreadStunLock
06-13-2011, 06:05 PM
The art Center College of Design is the school i was trying to remember... thats a badass design school from which you could get pretty similar stuff from what you could get out of FZD, i would choose FDZ any day though.

Dude, I would choose FZD school of design anyday, being taught by Feng is a dream come true, but as a student, coming up with 30,000 is impossible because I only got a 6 an hour job, and around 400-500 pay a month :*(

SciFibrow
06-14-2011, 02:57 AM
If Feng gave you hands on tuition for that year then that's a good price, he's one talented dude. You'd have to save a lot to live in Singapore though... I've worked this out. By the time I'm about 60 I'll be able to afford it.

He has some great Gnomon DVD's. If you're a self starter, you could absorb those for a lot less money and still support him. The spaceship one is GOLD! (well for me it was...) :)

DreadStunLock
06-14-2011, 07:13 AM
If Feng gave you hands on tuition for that year then that's a good price, he's one talented dude. You'd have to save a lot to live in Singapore though... I've worked this out. By the time I'm about 60 I'll be able to afford it.

He has some great Gnomon DVD's. If you're a self starter, you could absorb those for a lot less money and still support him. The spaceship one is GOLD! (well for me it was...) :)

For UK students, it's about 30,000 for the one year diploma covering all needs.

It would take me till the age of 25 at least to accumulate that amount, + I don't understand why it's so expensive...

SciFibrow
06-14-2011, 09:25 AM
For UK students, it's about 30,000 for the one year diploma covering all needs.

It would take me till the age of 25 at least to accumulate that amount, + I don't understand why it's so expensive...

Settling down in Singapore for a course which would involve spaceship drawing when Lucasfilm happens to be nearby can't be too bad a thing. ;)

It sounds like you need something to keep you busy till you have more hefty savings available.

Don't underestimate the power of dvd's (vader voice?). Hey, I'm completely self taught and the dvd's took my drawing out of side profiles and into the 3rd dimension. I'm a fan. Scott Robertson has great perspective ones - How to Draw Cars/planes/ships. You can piece together an education targetting specific areas if you can't afford a course which does that for you.

DreadStunLock
06-14-2011, 03:52 PM
Settling down in Singapore for a course which would involve spaceship drawing when Lucasfilm happens to be nearby can't be too bad a thing. ;)

It sounds like you need something to keep you busy till you have more hefty savings available.

Don't underestimate the power of dvd's (vader voice?). Hey, I'm completely self taught and the dvd's took my drawing out of side profiles and into the 3rd dimension. I'm a fan. Scott Robertson has great perspective ones - How to Draw Cars/planes/ships. You can piece together an education targetting specific areas if you can't afford a course which does that for you.

The main things I badly need is, how to draw in "Feng's style perspective" and how to come up with designs that are unique to me.

http://i21.servimg.com/u/f21/16/51/48/78/profil10.jpg

SciFibrow
06-14-2011, 11:30 PM
Definitely check out his dvd's then. He demonstrates drawing from start to finish.

Also you could do an industrial design course. Fast perspective drawing is taught and they are everywhere.

Good luck! :)

DreadStunLock
06-15-2011, 07:14 AM
Definitely check out his dvd's then. He demonstrates drawing from start to finish.

Also you could do an industrial design course. Fast perspective drawing is taught and they are everywhere.

Good luck! :)


wowowowowoow, what Dvds?!

jesse92
06-15-2011, 07:16 AM
he has some gnomon workshops about concept design environment and stuff... you should check it out

DreadStunLock
06-15-2011, 07:49 AM
he has some gnomon workshops about concept design environment and stuff... you should check it out

I'll check it out!

Also, FZD says there are 3 different Professional Certificate courses for:

6 weeks, total 18 hours
Tuesday, 7pm - 10pm

Is that possible? Will I learn alot from it?

Sounds so strange, but I do kind of believe in the teachers giving me a lot of skills, it's just that my parents think it's a huge rip off :(

jesse92
06-15-2011, 08:06 AM
Yeah, there's those courses too, but i dont think you'll do well if you dont have the foundations down, those courses must be really fast passed and they'll expect you to know some stuff already, so if you are already good at color,form,perspective, anatomy and all that stuff, yeah.. you could learn a lot.

ambient-whisper
06-15-2011, 08:19 AM
The main things I badly need is, how to draw in "Feng's style perspective" and how to come up with designs that are unique to me.

http://i21.servimg.com/u/f21/16/51/48/78/profil10.jpg


why not follow in his footsteps? learn theory like he did. he didnt learn a style per say, he learned industrial illustration, and everything that came along with it. scott robertson did the same, as did craig mullins from what I remember. There is no shortcut, and a few dvds wont teach you everything he knows.

I don't want to put you down, or be negative, but realistically speaking, you have a VERY long way to go.

http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/store/product/77/Concept-Design-4

http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/store/product/71/Concept-Design-1

but I would recommend The series by Vilppu.

http://vilppustore.com/specials.htm

The nice thing is that you can buy a set, or in pieces. So as you improve and learn from one dvd, and practice, you can buy another and learn from that. step by step. its the best way to go. there are lessons on perspective, drapery, figure drawings, how to break things down from larger volumes, to smaller details, lighting in general, etc. Its good stuff. It is these foundation things that I feel that you lack most. Style will come later. Learn fundamentals first.

DreadStunLock
06-15-2011, 04:05 PM
why not follow in his footsteps? learn theory like he did. he didnt learn a style per say, he learned industrial illustration, and everything that came along with it. scott robertson did the same, as did craig mullins from what I remember. There is no shortcut, and a few dvds wont teach you everything he knows.

I don't want to put you down, or be negative, but realistically speaking, you have a VERY long way to go.

http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/store/product/77/Concept-Design-4

http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/store/product/71/Concept-Design-1

but I would recommend The series by Vilppu.

http://vilppustore.com/specials.htm

The nice thing is that you can buy a set, or in pieces. So as you improve and learn from one dvd, and practice, you can buy another and learn from that. step by step. its the best way to go. there are lessons on perspective, drapery, figure drawings, how to break things down from larger volumes, to smaller details, lighting in general, etc. Its good stuff. It is these foundation things that I feel that you lack most. Style will come later. Learn fundamentals first.

Thank you Martin, don't worry, I stopped bashing myself that I have a long way to go after a lot of artists kept saying to me that.

The only thing that motivated me, is the fact that they said "At the age of 16, it's normal" so that's the only thing I guess. And cheers for the links!

moidphotos
06-15-2011, 09:10 PM
If you are looking for something with hardcore traditional representational art (and I personally think you need this before you need photoshop skills) there are a couple of private colleges in London that might be what you're after. They are both approved by the Art Renewal Centre, so their standards should be very high (their sample artwork is impressive) and this might give you a strong foundation on which to then move into digital work. Please note that I haven't worked or studied at either of them, but their advertising looks like the sort of course I wanted when I was at art college (but didn't exist in those days :( ). I'd say worth a visit...

London Atelier of Representational Art
http://www.artrenewal.org/pages/atelier.php?atelierid=101

and

Lavender Hill Studios
http://www.artrenewal.org/pages/atelier.php?atelierid=98

DreadStunLock
06-15-2011, 11:18 PM
If you are looking for something with hardcore traditional representational art (and I personally think you need this before you need photoshop skills) there are a couple of private colleges in London that might be what you're after. They are both approved by the Art Renewal Centre, so their standards should be very high (their sample artwork is impressive) and this might give you a strong foundation on which to then move into digital work. Please note that I haven't worked or studied at either of them, but their advertising looks like the sort of course I wanted when I was at art college (but didn't exist in those days :( ). I'd say worth a visit...

London Atelier of Representational Art
http://www.artrenewal.org/pages/atelier.php?atelierid=101

and

Lavender Hill Studios
http://www.artrenewal.org/pages/atelier.php?atelierid=98


Awesome, it would be nice to get a nice foundation setup, because from there I would be able to do anything if really.

Key things are:

Perspective (And I mean some serious heavy perspective training)

Lightning and Shadows (Seriously)

Proportions (Human, Animal and Cloth and Fold creases)

DreadStunLock
06-16-2011, 04:30 PM
Also, while we still mention FZD and etc, can someone please show me how to create or where to get his "Volumetric Fog" brush? I don't even know how he did it, it seems as if it creates a foggy texture on the colors, but I don't know how :(

Vollands
06-17-2011, 04:48 PM
Hi DreadStunLock,

Feng has a whole series of free tutorials on Youtube (there are at least 40 episodes currently posted):

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=feng+zhu+design&aq=1&oq=feng+zhu

The quality of tutoring on these is excellent.

I also had a years subscription to the Gnomon tutorials online, and I can wholeheartedly recommend this to you if you can spare a couple of hundred quid.

I would love to attend FZD, I'm surprised there is nothing like this in the UK (University of Teeside offer an MA in Concept Art for games which is the nearest thing I've been able to source.)

Good luck, it sounds like you have time on your side, and the Youtube tutorials are free.

Go for it!

DreadStunLock
06-17-2011, 05:05 PM
Hi DreadStunLock,

Feng has a whole series of free tutorials on Youtube (there are at least 40 episodes currently posted):

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=feng+zhu+design&aq=1&oq=feng+zhu

The quality of tutoring on these is excellent.

I also had a years subscription to the Gnomon tutorials online, and I can wholeheartedly recommend this to you if you can spare a couple of hundred quid.

I would love to attend FZD, I'm surprised there is nothing like this in the UK (University of Teeside offer an MA in Concept Art for games which is the nearest thing I've been able to source.)

Good luck, it sounds like you have time on your side, and the Youtube tutorials are free.

Go for it!

Dude, I have seen all of the tutorials already, in fact I have seen them at least 20 times over, I just need to figure out how to get that Fog brush he uses which he calls it "Volumetric Fog"

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