mocca tutorial

[pit]

Presuming you speek/read german:

http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/3908492793/qid%3D1065561520/028-8393930-0749350

The book by Sven Hauth is all you need for Mocca - highly recommended.

[flingster]

damn thats another book i can't read...feeling illiterate...stoopid...and foreign!

pit is it any good? just lie to me please and say...narhhh flingster you wouldn't like it anyway...not your thing!
then i can live in peace.:hmm:

[pit]

Sorry, Flingster - can´t lie to you! I love this book :love: 570 pages of valuable information. Soft IK, Pose2Pose, Xpresso .... you name it.. is explained in great detail and ..... don´t get me started on how great I think this book is ...
Flingster, I´m pretty sure you´d hate it ;)

[nataz]

Originally posted by pit
Presuming you speek/read german...

erm... i'm from the french part of switzerland. I just know the basics of german; i should have been more into my german lessons :cry:

@flingster : i'm the stoopid here; i live in a country where most of the people speak german...but me.

[flingster]

Originally posted by pit
Sorry, Flingster - can´t lie to you! I love this book :love: 570 pages of valuable information. Soft IK, Pose2Pose, Xpresso .... you name it.. is explained in great detail and ..... don´t get me started on how great I think this book is ...
Flingster, I´m pretty sure you´d hate it ;)


lol..........:beer:


nataz: i guess we will both be hoping for an english version then.:shrug:

[nataz]

definitely!

[pit]

http://www.pixeldoggy.de/index_en.html

Why don´t you PM Pixeldoggy (Sven Hauth) - haven´t seen him around much lately - so maybe an e-mail is better: info@pixeldoggy.com and ask if there are plans for a translation?
Maybe even start a new petition, like the one Adam had going regarding Arndts book. Just a thought.

[flingster]

ok...mailed him with the thread and the question.
Lets see what response we get, he may already have plans for an English version so probably not good to inundate him with requests just yet.
if its a publisher thing as with Arnts book then it maybe a case of another thread?
:shrug:

[pixeldoggy]

Sorry guys, I've really tried to find a publisher to put out an english version of my book, especially since I am getting more and more requests for it. But unfortunately, neither my current publisher nor any other publishing company I have talked to seems to have any interest. Kind of weird, because I could do the major part of the translation myself, so they wouldn't really have to spend big bucks on it. However, if you want to help me, it would be nice if you send a mail to my current publisher, asking for an english version. Who knows, they might change their minds. The address is seelig@smartbooks.ch
Also, check out www.pixelspell.net, the home of the character that is featured in my book. We are working on putting out a series of DVDs or articles about rigging and animation, and there will be a lot of new stuff that is not in the book (hey, I'm learning, too :-). And I will make sure they will be in english.
You're right, I'm not much around in this forum, but you can always mail me and I will get to you ASAP.

[Mars_Artis]

the url seems offline.


btw, why don't u try to contact MAxon itself? And ask if they may be interested? or better Ediors specialized in Handboks and Inside series for 3d apps:
www.newriders.com
www.charlesriver.com

[flingster]

just get rid of the comma typo.:thumbsup:
should be fine.

maybe as pit suggest another petition is in order, but not sure how people would respond to another petition, but sounds like a very very useful book.

[AdamT]

Originally posted by flingster
just get rid of the comma typo.:thumbsup:
should be fine.

maybe as pit suggest another petition is in order, but not sure how people would respond to another petition, but sounds like a very very useful book.

Yep, definitely would be great to have this one in English too. Unfortunately I have received *no* response from Peachpit concerning the petition. You'd think they'd at least acknowledge it! :hmm:

[flingster]

AdamT: do you think maxon uk/us would be keen on doing a print run for both books? then we could go straight to maxon and get books...also they do seem to have limited additional resource material for V8...might be something they could take on board and benefit from in the long run...not only working with developer but also authors?
:shrug:

[geoffr]

Why doesn't maxon publish the books?
They do the manuals already so they know where to get it printed (if not, I can give them a few names).
They already have a sales team and website in place.
They know who the customers are (they even have their addresses).
I also know that they can make a killing on the cost.

You have to remember that you don't have to have the books on shelves in shops anymore and so you don't have to pander to the big chains to get it stocked.

And also, if they publish, they will come.

[pixeldoggy]

I did talk to all the publishers mentioned - Charles River, Peachpit, New Riders. Not much interest there. I'll write to Maxon and see if they come up with any ideas. Thanks for your support!

[pit]

I know the "no interest" part: had contact with a couple of publishers (about doing a book on Bodypaint) a year ago - no interest whatsoever because the market is too small. In case of BP2 that might have changed though. One german publisher wanted me to provide the exact number of sold copies of BP to make a decision.

Seeing that Maxon is about to release a tutorial book, there is a fair chance they´d be interested in doing the same for Mocca and you (Pixeldoggy) would be the right man for the job. Hope you can work something out.

Cheers

[geoffr]

Ever thought about publishing online?
I don't know how you'd do it but you could post it in pdf format and have a code to unlock it (c4d registration number for instance).

Just a thought

[wuensch]

also there is the possibilitie of publishing book-on-demand (your publisher could do it or the author). with Libri (www.bod.de)- as the book on demand would have an ISBN and Libri has an excellent distribution it should be no problem to deliver worldwide (via Amazon.com)
Its a fascinating possibilitie, especially for books on software that will only have a short shelve-existence because it changes so fast.

Olli

[AdamT]

These are all great ideas for future projects, but for existing books I doubt the publishers would give permission to Maxon or anyone else to publish translations. Suppose it couldn't hurt to ask though, since they're obviously not interested in doing it themselves. Maybe they'd give permission if they got a piece of the action.

[geoffr]

The publisher usualy only has certain territory rights unless they've written worldwide rights into the contract

[AdamT]

Originally posted by geoffr
The publisher usualy only has certain territory rights unless they've written worldwide rights into the contract
Not sure about Pixeldoggy, but Arndt already said Peachpit owns the international rights to his books. :(

[flingster]

surely the english print run could just pay a license fee on copies sold..hence why i suggested maxon...as they could control better..also obviously have printers..would allow them to extend their certified by...to books aswell as plugins...just a thought.
:shrug:

[nataz]

Originally posted by geoffr
Ever thought about publishing online?
I don't know how you'd do it but you could post it in pdf format and have a code to unlock it (c4d registration number for instance).

Just a thought

or a paying website (annual or monthly feee)? As i'm living out of my computer i've no problem investing money on a really interesting website that would provide professionnal tutorials and project documentation.

It would be cheaper than printing anything and the authors would get close to immediate pay on each 'click'(that's another possibility). And that could go like a chapter every month... (needless to talk about updates and so on).

[sinai_1]

We are working on putting out a series of DVDs or articles about rigging and animation, and there will be a lot of new stuff that is not in the book

Personaly, i'll suggest you stick with the idea of a Dvd tutorial,be it on modeling,character rigging or animation;and if you want to borrow a leaf from Dan Alban & Splinegod(Lightwave tutorials),they deliver their tutorials on up to 20 cd-roms depending on how deep the tutorial is surposed to be.Sight & sound is, in my opinion more effective than books(and you can do this on your own if you really want to).

[nataz]

Originally posted by sinai_1
Sight & sound is, in my opinion more effective than books...

Of course, but you can't put a 3-500 pages book in a movie dvd... you'll need ten of them. Writing is still the most condensed way to put communication. So i hope some documentation with the dvds (at least a glossary).

[pixeldoggy]

The problem with all these alternatives - books on demand, DVD production, pay-website - is that you have to invest a certain amount of money upfront, which I am really not able to, as I am just an umemployed animator. So unfortunately I kind of depend on a publisher for the support. Also, I am not really a bookauthor who animates, but an animator who just happened to write a book.

[nataz]

i'm not as sure as you about the pay website; look at renderosity. thay sell many things. Why not sell .pdf ?

[pixeldoggy]

Well, there is some hope at last. I just got a mail from a US publisher who would be interested in putting out an english version. Let's hope it will work out...

[LucentDreams]

Originally posted by pit
I know the "no interest" part: had contact with a couple of publishers (about doing a book on Bodypaint) a year ago - no interest whatsoever because the market is too small. In case of BP2 that might have changed though. One german publisher wanted me to provide the exact number of sold copies of BP to make a decision.

Seeing that Maxon is about to release a tutorial book, there is a fair chance they´d be interested in doing the same for Mocca and you (Pixeldoggy) would be the right man for the job. Hope you can work something out.

Cheers

In your battle for publishing a BP2 book, make sure to poiint out that Sony Pictures Image Works is now using BP2

[LucentDreams]

Originally posted by geoffr
Ever thought about publishing online?
I don't know how you'd do it but you could post it in pdf format and have a code to unlock it (c4d registration number for instance).

Just a thought

Thats to risky, considering the app itself gets pirated because of serial numbers so would the book since it would work with the pirated serials as well.

[LucentDreams]

Originally posted by nataz
Of course, but you can't put a 3-500 pages book in a movie dvd... you'll need ten of them. Writing is still the most condensed way to put communication. So i hope some documentation with the dvds (at least a glossary).

Ten of them? Funny seems like you get thousands of pages of Maxon documentation on CD ;) Welcome to the age of the PDF.

[pit]

@Pixeldoggy: That´s great news! Wish you the best of luck.
@Kaiskai: Maybe I should give it another try - a lot has changed concerning BP since version 2 is out.
Cheers

[nataz]

Originally posted by Kaiskai
Ten of them? Funny seems like you get thousands of pages of Maxon documentation on CD ;) Welcome to the age of the PDF.

i was meaning in sight and sound... like videos explaining what a book can describe just by write/still image.

[flingster]

Originally posted by pixeldoggy
Well, there is some hope at last. I just got a mail from a US publisher who would be interested in putting out an english version. Let's hope it will work out...


this is fantastic news...thanks for letting us know...can't wait.
cheers
:beer:

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