Why Pixar Altered Knick Knack

[Pentagramma]

I think it's really sad. :thumbsdow

"Knick Knack" is great, and a classic. I would never care about those painted marbles (for that's what they are). To take them out is to make everybody notice them for the first time, in a way.

What's the next step? Maybe Pixar should take out the scene with the explosives, because it's too violent...:hmm:

P.S.: And Han shot first, too! ;)

[My Fault]

I think this is really just a mountain out of a molehill (I know, I know). It's Pixar's short and they can do with it as they please. If they had altered the core of the plot that would be one thing, but giving the mermaids a boob reduction just isn't that huge of a deal. So many bigger fish to fry.

[malducin]

Wel maybe it doesn't change the overall movie but it smacks at sanitizing and political correctness. Uuuhh I know children now are more easuily corruptibe so you can't have that, never mind it's been fine for the past 15 years or so ;-). Like Pentagramma said it smacks of the Han shoots first bit or Spielberg apologizing for Temple of Doom. Well I think I still have the original tape so I might as well transfer it to DVD one of these days.

Sure Pixar can do whatever they want with it. It's still that debate when "art" becomes known and appreciated, does it become in essence part of something bigger and the public at large? And if so, should the artist be able to change it regadless of the original form making it appreciated in the first place?

[flipnap]

you guys have it allll wrong.. first of all, altering star wars or any other movie is wrong, because its already been on public display in the movies.. and the reason they are doing it is for different ones than pixars.. when pixars short was made, it wasnt for general public display, and if kids saw it, than big deal.. it wasnt perverted.. if you should be upset with pixar for anything, it should be for choosing to show that short in public, which led to them having to alter it.. and who cares anyway, did it really impact the story.. i mean, taking the guns out of ET DID.. but making smaller boobs on a plastic toy.. come on.....

[My Fault]

Originally posted by malducin
Sure Pixar can do whatever they want with it. It's still that debate when "art" becomes known and appreciated, does it become in essence part of something bigger and the public at large? And if so, should the artist be able to change it regadless of the original form making it appreciated in the first place?

I would be more annoyed if the original wasn't sill available, but since it is I don't feel it's that big of an issue.

While I get what you're saying about art becoming something bigger, in the end the artist should be able to alter his or her own work whenever they see fit just as the public should be able to complain and throw tomatoes at said artist when they do :)

[halo]

they should have made her topless and bigger.

[malducin]

I would be more annoyed if the original wasn't sill available, but since it is I don't feel it's that big of an issue.

The problem will be in a few mor years whn those VHS tapes finally rot away and the only version ever available is the altered version. Besides what's so bad about big cartoony boobs? Maybe we should also go back and erase all the violence in the Looney Tunes and Tex Avery cartoons or the sexuality in Betty Boop ;-) I don't know I subscribe that aftera certain point an artists shouldn't be able to change their work since it becomes part of society. If not then maybe they should only make art for themselves ;-) (just stoking the flames).

Star Wars will suffer the same fate except that luckily the National Film Registry decided to preserve the original version.

first of all, altering star wars or any other movie is wrong, because its already been on public display in the movies

Well also the Pixar shorts were made public, mainly Luxo Jr (on Sesame Street), but more importantly all the classic shorts were sold as a tape called Tiny Toy Stories and clearly sold as stuff for kids. I got my copy from the kids section in a video store (Suncoast I think, not some obscure place). To a lesser extent they were also shown at SIGGRAPH.

and if kids saw it, than big deal.. it wasnt perverted

That's my point, if it was OK then why change it then? Seems to me Disney or someone with PC wanted to make it more marketable for parents nowadays, so you can have big cartoony breasts anymore. Is there a difference between kids now and then or more about parenting and marketing decisions?

It kinda reminds me of Ascroft putting some clothing to that clasical semi-naked statue at the Justice Department I believe ;-).

it should be for choosing to show that short in public, which led to them having to alter it

They could as well leave it alone too. From what I talked to someone at VES it seemed the decision came from higher ups and lots of people at Pixar weren't especially happy with it.

i mean, taking the guns out of ET DID

Actually I think the analogy is different. Naively so, taking out the guns didn't alter the story because it's still the agents trying to stor the kids, and them flying off in the bikes. Same thing with Knick Knack. But the subtext, intent or whatever you want to call it does change and besides simply looks like moves to please "edgy" parents. Besides in retrospect it's even funnier that the snowman goes bunkers for the big breasted girl which kida says something about guys in the first place ;-).

I do agree that in the overall scheme the change was minor but that the change was made after all puzzles me and so the reasons. Better get my tomatos ready ;-).

What's next, will the swordsman try to shoot Indiana Jones first ;-).

[My Fault]

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I wish they had just left it as is. I'm sure this came from higher ups at Disney and I'm surprised that Pixar caved in. I just think in the grand scheme of things, this is pretty small potatoes.

And make sure ya get some big juicy over ripe tomatoes. They make a much bigger mess :p

[flipnap]

What's next, will the swordsman try to shoot Indiana Jones first ;-).

nah dude, indy pulls out his walkie talkie and calls in for some help

[AnimBot]

People make such a big deal about the editing of films as if their civil rights are being violated. Unless the government is stepping in and demanding things be changed then this is really not a big deal.

[My Fault]

Damned Dickless Cheney ordering Pixar to alter Knick Knack for "security" reasons. They were large breasts, not WMD's!! :p

[AnimBot]

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[stallion151]

i knew they changed it, thought i was hallucinating/dreaming....cg porn :scream:

[Hookflash]

The large breasts were an essential part of what made that flick funny. However, conservative Western culture is so terrified of the human body that we had to "normalize" them to prevent the masses from lapsing into fits of juvenile laughter (heaven forbid) or "God" knows what. Personally, I don't have a problem with "immature" jokes because I'm not obsessed with conforming to the social standards of my age group. If something is funny, I laugh at it. And I (along with most non-uptight people) thought the large breasts were funny.

[flipnap]

yawn...:wise: why dont you just come out and say what you mean.. you know what i mean

[AnimBot]

The large breasts were an essential part of what made that flick funny. However, conservative Western culture is so terrified of the human body that we had to "normalize" them to prevent the masses from lapsing into fits of juvenile laughter (heaven forbid) or "God" knows what.

Actually I think you're wrong, well partially wrong. I don't think the western culture is terrified of the human body and blah, blah,blah. I think that the studios are telling western culture that they are terrified of blah, blah, blah.

[Hookflash]

Originally posted by AnimBot
Actually I think you're wrong, well partially wrong. I don't think the western culture is terrified of the human body and blah, blah,blah. I think that the studios are telling western culture that they are terrified of blah, blah, blah.

Hmmm... I guess that's possible. Maybe western culture is lightening up more quickly than the studios. If that's the case, I suppose the studios will catch up someday;).

[AnimBot]

Hmmm... I guess that's possible. Maybe western culture is lightening up more quickly than the studios. If that's the case, I suppose the studios will catch up someday.

I sure hope they will.

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