CGTalk - Character:Head modelling exercise

insanepoly

10-02-2003, 03:46 AM

This is good. There's not much you can improve on other then the ears. I especially like the eyes, they've got so much life in them. I guess the quality of the rest of the head is so high that it just makes the ears stick out like a sore thumb.

leigh

10-02-2003, 04:00 AM

Nice renders! The lighting works really well :)

I find your wireframe really fascinating - the way you've modelled the forehead is a method I've not seen before. Is there any particular reason why the polys form that group in the middle? What sort of deformation does that allow?

I agree that the ears could do with a bit of improving, their texture should also be a bit shinier and a tad more translucent.

Texturing looks nice, although the shading is a little hard. His skin also looks like it's in serious need of some Nivea cream! :D
Did you use photographs within the textures? The eyebrows look photographic (which actually works really well).

The lips remind me of Thirdeye's model he did some months back, especially in the first render.

Cool stuff :)

JCGA

10-02-2003, 10:22 AM

So you finally posted man, that's great! And it looks good my friend. :thumbsup:

I can't give you much critique since I've stared at this too long over the last week to be objective about it. The ear thing that the_hand mentioned looks like a valid point to improve on though.

Also, the BG is pretty well crafted he he :D

Sqwall

10-02-2003, 10:27 AM

Very well modeled indeed. The only thing that bothers me is the light. More sharp shadows will make the imoressions stronger I think. :beer:

Sharky

10-02-2003, 11:27 AM

Wow ... I am trying to a model like yours but I am far from your result ! The eyes are really well done ... and the mapping pretty accurate

Neox

10-02-2003, 12:13 PM

wow! really nice head but i have to agree with the_hand, the ears is the "worst" thing on that model

Kel Solaar

10-02-2003, 01:18 PM

Agree for the ear :)

What is your lightning setup? HDRI?, classic lighning, GI no GI ?
have you used Brazil skin shader? or some SSS?
Otherwise this is well done :)

Rivendale

10-02-2003, 01:36 PM

Thanks a lot for the comments!

Why does the ears look like that? Genetics man, he can't help it
;) . Your comments on the ears are valid though and maybe if I do a future version I will fix it, thanks.

Leigh- Thanks, there's not any particular reason for the forehead topology in regards to animation since I never planned to animate this character, but I've kept it clean though so it should be good if I wanted to. The forehead is the only place where there are polys with more than four sides, but it's in a place where it doesn't matter anyway.
The textures are a mix of photos and a lot of painting in Photoshop. So the eyebrows are bumped textures only. I was thinking of using a hair plugin for it but decided I could get away with using textures for it. The hair on the sides are made with Shag: hair though.

CarlWahl- Thanks friend, your feedback and everybody else's along the way of creation really helped me to improve.:beer:

Thanks all!:D

Rivendale

10-02-2003, 01:43 PM

Kel Solaar- thanks, for the lighting I used a portion of Brazil skylight mixed with an arealight and a lot of omnilights. No HDRI on this. The shader for the skin was the Brazil standard material with a translucency map for the SSS. Then I had maps for diffuse, bump, specular level and glossiness as well as some additional maps for the hair.

Rivendale

10-02-2003, 11:13 PM

messed him up a bit...
http://hem.bredband.net/b213713/heads/www.jpg

Rivendale

10-03-2003, 12:04 AM

gave it bigger brain...like so:
http://hem.bredband.net/b213713/heads/elf.jpg

kr3ml

10-03-2003, 12:08 AM

SHIT DUDE !!!! looks so realistic , I could se that its cg but it is so good done , and the other two heads are great to , NICE !!!

:applause: :thumbsup: :scream:

Rivendale

10-03-2003, 03:46 AM

Thank you most kindly sir...let's go hulk style...
http://hem.bredband.net/b213713/heads/ttt.jpg

Rivendale

10-03-2003, 01:39 PM

So there's not much interest in these kinds of things here, well thanks anyway...see ya:hmm:

nvaughn

10-03-2003, 02:23 PM

You can't say much about this work of art, it's perfect. The only thing is the ears, as said earlier, but thats it. The ears look to flat, I'd just try and make the valleys of the ear much deeper and then they would look fine. Great job!

Thekkur

10-03-2003, 05:00 PM

nice!!! thecharacteristics are even better than the original! :applause:

rollmops

10-03-2003, 05:45 PM

:applause:
Excellent!

Slim

10-03-2003, 06:05 PM

sexellent!:buttrock: :buttrock: :buttrock:

WanielJorge

10-03-2003, 07:04 PM

:applause: Wonderful work, perfect! The textures are realistic. Congratulations!!!
Now I want you to also criticize my work. The link...:applause:

worx3d

10-03-2003, 07:27 PM

yes, there's interest, but let the world see it first. I just saw it and I think it is fantastic, great work. I have no problem with the ears really. I think it is perfect.

Joel

Rivendale

10-03-2003, 07:44 PM

Great! I'm glad you like it...because of that you get this puppy...
http://hem.bredband.net/b213713/heads/bbb.jpg
:D

Rivendale

10-03-2003, 07:45 PM

...and this strange boy...
http://hem.bredband.net/b213713/heads/eee.jpg

Colin de bink

10-03-2003, 08:02 PM

well it is a beautiful model. there is nothing wrong whit it at first glance...well yeah the ear jumps out as less good...but thats been sad already

however looking at the model longer I think the shading and texturing and maybe even the modeling is to clean
the face is to semetrical, the highlights on the face to artificial, the texture of the clothing to bland.

I don't mean to piss you off I just think that whit some effort you can make this model better then beautiful, you could make it excellent!

ThirdEye

10-03-2003, 08:36 PM

Very very nice, i love the modifications you made to the basic head, i haven't read all the comments so maybe it's already been mentioned: are the textures hand painted or you started from photos? Can we seem them? Thanks :)

DoctorStopMo

10-03-2003, 10:24 PM

Awesome work :). I loved the original head, and the deformations you've tried out are great, too. It's too bad you're not chaning the ears, because I think that would make it a perfect model. Anyway, keep up the great work!

Rivendale

10-03-2003, 10:44 PM

Whoa, everybody's giving me a hard time about the ears. Might have to rerender it then later.;) Thanks for the comments!

Colin de bink- thanks for the good crits

ThirdEye_01- The textures are based on a photo, but I did a lot of painting too on top of that.

:beer:

mage111

10-03-2003, 11:48 PM

i love the model, its great, (as well as the deformations hehe)
but i may be the only one in saying that, the model seems to have very little life.
as if from a movie, its some atomiton, or lifeless vessel waiting for a host.

model is believable, minus the ear as many have mentioned, and a bit of the symmetry (around the lips in particular)

but other then that, its lovely, damn fine material :-)

btw, im gonna steal that hat and walk around town w/ it, cus that hats dope ;o

<3
good work

Rivendale

10-04-2003, 12:54 AM

You like the hat? Maybe I should send it to the hat-design companys:shrug: thanks!
Decided to go negro-style, sup:
http://hem.bredband.net/b213713/heads/nnn.jpg

mayajames

10-04-2003, 01:01 AM

man your work is amazing...how do you do it...its so perfect and you have so many faces....just perfect....

Rivendale

10-04-2003, 04:53 AM

mayajames- thank you very much!:)

One little freak before bed...
http://hem.bredband.net/b213713/heads/ppp.jpg

avalon

10-04-2003, 07:02 AM

good work
It's so real.:buttrock: :buttrock:

Saeed

10-04-2003, 10:47 AM

WOW Gtear works.:eek:
i love them.:beer:

plumser

10-04-2003, 02:15 PM

Yep, I got to say, IT'S STUNNING!!! man awesome!
And in swedish: Äckligt snyggt! :)

bigbad

10-04-2003, 02:30 PM

Play more with the specular map. His face is to shiny.

sarfarazsoomro

10-04-2003, 04:50 PM

excellent :buttrock:

Rivendale

10-04-2003, 05:12 PM

Thanks a lot!

bigbad- do you mean on the first picture only, because I changed that on some of the other variations to make them look wet/sweaty. :p Check out the moisty ears of the last one, for example... :D

:beer:

poisonspider

10-04-2003, 05:48 PM

NICE WORK dude
i wanna talk to ya

can you contact me on aim - poisonspider35

or

msn - spencer@travel-net.com

ufo

10-04-2003, 08:46 PM

ha ha ha !
very very interesting !!!
:rolleyes: I like the last one , between real & fake !

Popsicle_g

10-04-2003, 08:58 PM

WOW! Front page stuff if you ask me. It's amazing how many heads you can make! They are all just full of character, you've got a full movie cast here. great stuff.

I have no problem with the ears. So what if they are weird? I've seen much stranger ears in real life.

Naseem

10-04-2003, 09:21 PM

cwey good work, that will pot the acters out of Business

Xilica

10-04-2003, 10:43 PM

really good modeling :beer:

Rivendale

10-05-2003, 01:17 AM

Originally posted by martok
cwey good work, that will pot the acters out of Business
hehe thanks, I don't think so just yet though:cool:

Thanks for your time...
Give it up for the evil professor...:D
http://hem.bredband.net/b213713/heads/ddd.jpg

ostov

10-05-2003, 01:38 AM

Someone found the bend and taper modifer ;)
Anyway, great work! Keep it up :thumbsup:

Pi3141

10-05-2003, 04:39 AM

This is just great. You've managed to get so much milage out of one model. Great work!

JDaniel

10-05-2003, 05:17 AM

Originally posted by ostov
Someone found the bend and taper modifer ;)
Anyway, great work! Keep it up :thumbsup:
Way to go, on creating diff. char. from the same head/maps. They look crazy! :)

gladius

10-05-2003, 06:44 AM

my goodness!! welldoNe!!!;)

Magius

10-05-2003, 06:50 AM

F**K!!!!!!! and you call this "excercise" ????? Damn dude!! this model rocks!!! excellent work! very imressive!! very impressive indeed!! :eek: :drool:

pusher

10-05-2003, 07:55 AM

bhuwahahhah this thread cracks me up, bloody fun character you have here. very VERY nice :buttrock:

sixthe45

10-05-2003, 08:30 AM

Wonderfully done. :eek:
The skin texturing is really quality stuff and eyes are awesome. :applause:
The face structure is well done too. :beer:
Only minus thing are the ears. ;)
4.5/5.

polyester

10-05-2003, 09:27 AM

He looks very....Swedish ;)

Well done! Rivendale gets a gold star.

- poly

dragonfx

10-05-2003, 10:44 AM

Animation! animation!...
uh and wire plus deformers... and now you are on that: a tutorial!:)

cool face man...

-------------------------------------------------------
i would give all of what i know by half of what i dont...

Rivendale

10-05-2003, 05:34 PM

Thanks a lot people!
I just realised that it seems the professor is wearing lipgloss for some reason:scream: ;)

dragonfx- don't think there will be an animation now, mainly because there is nothing inside the mouth.

Thanks again
Thanks again

dragonfx

10-05-2003, 06:49 PM

guess that wanting to conquer the world doesnt stops him to be prepared to catch the heroine when she gets into his lair to spy?
:), he just putted Barry White on the megaphony... :D

bigbad

10-05-2003, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by Rivendale
Thanks a lot!

bigbad- do you mean on the first picture only, because I changed that on some of the other variations to make them look wet/sweaty. :p Check out the moisty ears of the last one, for example... :D

:beer:

Yes that one...didnt notice the others. They are awesome.

Hej då.

Kreaction

10-05-2003, 11:49 PM

Wow !! really good job !:beer:

I like all the style that you've made since the first one !!

It's so reallistic and funny at the same time...really cool imagination !:buttrock:

I dont' know what can i say more....just WOAW !!!

Thanks for the good time i spend when i look at them !!

See ya !:applause:

Rivendale

10-06-2003, 02:19 AM

Thanks!!:)
One italian boxer here...
http://hem.bredband.net/b213713/heads/ooo2.jpg
:beer:

mad-one

10-06-2003, 02:54 PM

Nice work man! :beer:

Dind't saw that U posted untill now.

But it looks awsome and the different versions are hillarious.

Keep upp the good work :thumbsup:

lwwiz

10-06-2003, 07:42 PM

These are the best Ive ever seen please make a textureing tutorial video. I would By it.

Rivendale

10-08-2003, 12:44 AM

Hey, I have updated the boxer image with a better render with more anti-aliasing and a bit different lighting, if you're interested. Scroll up for the image...(edit: oops, it's on the previous page)

Thanks for all the positive feedback, if it weren't for your nice comments there probobly wouldn't be so many heads.:)

munkY

10-08-2003, 01:37 AM

äkta snyggt det där :beer:

lwwiz

10-08-2003, 08:07 PM

It alot better looking keep up the good work and make detailed tuts on how to do it. Pretty soon we wont need actors just there voices.

Raul-Reznek

10-08-2003, 08:23 PM

HOLY SHIT MAN!!!

wow! i feel real tiny!
it all looks excellent, so reminds me of a Dungeon and Dragons game. Ahh and the texturing... speechless, waht renders do u use?
i didn't have time to read all posts :D

Great work, admirable effort!

coldcurrent

10-08-2003, 10:15 PM

great work!!

but y got no asian head ???

Rivendale

10-09-2003, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by coldcurrent
great work!!

but y got no asian head ???

hehe...Well, I think the first variation looks kinda japanees, not intentionally but anyway;)

Thanks a lot folks!:thumbsup:

Raul-Reznek- Thanks, I use Brazil with MAX5. No need to fell tiny man, your work kicks ass.

slaughters

10-09-2003, 10:01 PM

I really like this version the best:
http://members.chello.se/mille0/bbb.jpg

Unlike the other mods, which look like charicatures, this one looks like an honest to gosh average everday normal looking person.

It is rare to see non-cartoon/non-babe/non-stud realistic looking heads.

Gremlin

10-09-2003, 10:07 PM

These are some ludacris heads... so good. what software are you using (and what renderer) because these look great, only thing is the UV's streth when you deform the head, so, the first version had the best textures (least amount of stretching) but you sure could make a variety of awesome characters with your method..... by the way, what is your method? lattice's?
Cheers,
:beer:

slime

10-10-2003, 04:59 AM

Great job there!
This is front page material for me ;)
The model is very good and the textures are great. :thumbsup:

Gremlin: try to read the thread and you will have most of your questions answered:rolleyes:

jum'bok

10-10-2003, 06:01 AM

wow next time i hear people arguing over whether or not you can use a standard mesh to get lots of different types of characters, i will definitely have to stop and remember this thread. nice work.

[edit: by the way when you're modifying these, are you using dragging verts with soft selection or some other method. just curious]

Rivendale

10-11-2003, 05:33 AM

Thanks!
The method I used for the variations was that I usually started playing with different modifiers like bend, taper, ripple and noise until I picked up on a look I liked. Then I added Freeform deform boxes(lattices) and edited the general shape. Then there was some additional pulling of vertices and editing of the mesh. After I rendered there were heavy touchups in Photoshop too for color and texturemodification.
:beer:

Yoshua

10-11-2003, 07:59 PM

Good work, me likes!

The mods rock, really funny and great character.

I actually don't really have a problem with the ears.

BTW, more MODS would be nice. :)

Thanks, keep it up.

Swenson

12-06-2003, 12:52 AM

Rivendale,

Very well done...all of them. You show good mastery of your apps.

In regard to the skin, it looks to be showing some SSS. Is this due to the material you are using? Or is it just effect from the photo textures used?

Any way i could get that skin texture if it is truly SSS?:D I am guessing the answer is no...

Well Done!

facial

12-07-2003, 07:00 AM

O, Rivendale.
Your have so changefully head here , :beer: LOL
They are all great, the texture and lighting are cool/
Well done.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

foxco

12-10-2003, 08:48 PM

thats awseom hahahah take one model and max it out to make many, i use that alot for fun :P its nice how your texture doesnt strech to much when you deform awsome work

Shad Fox

HieSpike

12-11-2003, 12:40 AM

Cross-Dress...it's time! You know what you have to do with him now.....

Can't wait to see him with long hair and makeup!

:p

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